Local News on KTUU Covers Emmonak.
Here’s the local coverage of the situation in Emmonak, including some video footage from Dennis Zaki.
And speaking on the “we saw this coming” platform is Rep. Les Gara, who was featured heavily. I’m glad someone is out there reminding everyone that this was not an unpredictable surprise.
It is also good to know that donations to date have helped 40% of village residents with fuel costs.
We can’t know what the ultimate solution will be, but it is good to know that the dissemination of information is helping in the short term, until long term solutions can be hammered out.
Hurray Les! I’m sending two more one-rate boxes to Nunam Iqua, found a great deal on honey, pancake mix, etc. I have a feeling that items will be trickling in for awhile, which is really kind of cool.
Yes, way to go Dennis and Les. I’m working on my next box as well, may not be able to mail until next Monday, but I got it almost ready to go.
Great coverage, I’m looking forward to more.
Martha Unalaska Yard Sign (22:03:19) :
I have not heard from Ann Strongheart, but I assume they still need toilet paper? I may go back and order from Span Alaska-
So why doesnt the state put up some wind turbines?…a reasonable permanent solution. The eventual cost of supplying the areas as is VS cost of doing something practical. From these articles a couple turbines would work for a small village.
…Heck, one already is!!
Arctic wind turbines, Lapland, Finland, wind, rime, managed.
http://www.tekes.fi/eng/news/uutis_tiedot.asp?id=127
from a cache of a PDF:
Summary
A small coastal town in Alaska is in
its third year of operating the first
successful utility wind power plant
in the state. The installation meets
the needs of about 200 homes in
Kotzebue and accounts for about
6% of total electricity consumed in
the town, which has 3,500 residents.
A new wind turbine, developed with
support from the US Department of
Energy (US DOE) and designed to
operate in cold climates, was
chosen. The project required
wintertime construction and special
procedures were followed to protect
the fragile arctic tundra… The first three turbines
were commissioned in September
1997 and the remaining seven in
June 1999.
Can someone again post the mailing info for food donations?
thx.
@ CO almost native
YES, I’m sure they need it! Do you have her email – she responds so quickly. I doubt that they could get too much TP, esp if there isn’t kleenex. Going out in the cold and returning to a warm (maybe) house means blowing noses constantly (prob. the same in Colorado?)
@ mustang
For mailing to Nunam Iqua (neighboring village to Emmonak but not included in this week’s food drops coordinated by the Calista Native Corporation):
Segundo Strongheart
P.O. Box 7
Nunam Iqua, AK 99666
email: nunamiquayouth at yahoo.com
This goes to Ann Strongheart’s personal PO box and she will distribute the items to villagers. OR she has a list of families with their requests with the family’s address if you’d rather do it that way.
My box of stuff was mailed on Wednesday. Ann Strongheart is the epitomy of a “community organizer — with responsibilities.”
I’ve talked to other folks here on the Gulf Coast in Texas. They suggested the possibility of a kind of a “sister city” on-going supply- type thing to the villagers. We’re working on that now.
Off topic – Dana Stabenow — I love. Looking forward to her next book.
I’m a little disappointed that this is the news video from KTUU from 2 – 3 days ago.
I get frustrated when news organizations use file footage (and don’t even identify it as such) from spring and summer when describing a winter crisis. It would be like showing images of New Orleans during a Mardi Gras parade when describing the effects of Katrina., or showing a football game when talking about the people in the Dome.
Hopefully today we will have images and stories from this week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/22/AR2009012203877_2.html
Slightly OT. From this morning’s Washington Post. Exactly HOW MUCH will the Army save with this boneheaded move?
Anchorage
The Army has decided to cut off retirement pay for veterans of a largely Alaska Native militia formed to guard the then-territory from Japan during World War II. Officials said a nearly decade-old law under which they received the pay was misinterpreted and applied only to military benefits. Twenty-six surviving members of the Alaska Territorial Guard, mostly in their 80s and long retired, will lose as much as $557 in monthly pay starting next month.
the video doesn’t work for me
To see the video from KTUU go to: http://www.ktuu.com
scroll about halfway down to Videos and click on:
“State officials see village’s struggles first-hand”
I love the pictures from “The Bristol Bay Times” though:
http://thebristolbaytimes.com/news/story/4600
Janet in DC:Anchorage
The Army has decided to cut off retirement pay for veterans of a largely Alaska Native militia formed to guard the then-territory from Japan during World War II. Officials said a nearly decade-old law under which they received the pay was misinterpreted and applied only to military benefits. Twenty-six surviving members of the Alaska Territorial Guard, mostly in their 80s and long retired, will lose as much as $557 in monthly pay starting next month.
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This is disgraceful! If Barbie gave a whit she could try to help this veterans!
I know these guys have to be in their 80′s, as my Dad was in World war II and recently passed away at 87…this is terrible for these people.
I wouldn’t waste my time with Governor Snowflake – as if she would care. A better bet would be Mark Begich. This is totally stupid, irresponsible and immoral. For senior citizens 80+ $557 per month is a lot of money. Disgraceful.
I don’t know…it just seems there has to be more to the story than suddenly deciding to stop paying a few elderly veterans their pensions.
Bush is gone…we have to keep reminding ourselves…
ADN: Has a article Barbie says The state is pursuing a remedy for “these brave Alaskans, who did so much for the cause of freedom during a time of great national peril,” Gov. Sarah Palin said.
“The payments end Feb. 1, according to U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski.
“What kind of a government, what kind of a Cruella, could cut retirement benefits to a group of Eskimos in their 80s in the dead of Alaskan winter?” the Alaska Republican asked Thursday on the Senate floor. “It is time for some soul searching on this at the Pentagon.”
Murkowski and fellow Alaska Sen. Mark Begich, a Democrat, are preparing legislation clarifying that service in the territorial guard counts as active duty for calculating retirement pay, she told her Senate colleagues.
Murkowski said Alaska’s three-member congressional delegation also has sent a letter to President Barack Obama, asking him to intervene to ensure that those affected by “this tragic, tragic series of events do not lose the safety net.”
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So good to hear Something is being done about this, its not falling through the cracks…
Thnaks for the address to mail packages to. I’m going to get something out early next week.
RE: that ADN article outlining the Army decision “to cut off retirement pay for veterans of a largely Alaska Native militia formed to guard the then-territory from Japan during World War II.”
Some idiots in the ADN comments section are snarkily blaming Obama for this. Yeah, right, like this could happen between Tuesday after the Inaugural Balls and Thursday.
Obviously not logical and therefore a typical Repub slam, since said idiots surely must know that the Army moves like glacier ice on any decision, so this retirement-pay thing has probably been in the works for most of 2008; in other words, Bush signed off on it.
Just one more thing to add to the list of horrible things he’s done to this country in the past 8 years.
Are clothes needed?? If so……..read the top story on Huffpo.
Miemaw in TexasNo Gravatar (03:38:09) :
Re: My box of stuff was mailed on Wednesday.
and ” possibility of a kind of a “sister city” on-going supply- type thing to the villagers. We’re working on that now.
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What a fine ‘community organizer’ YOU are!! Do keep us posted about your efforts from a state with a big heart (almost as big as Alaska’s ! ha.) There is need everywhere……thanks enormously for your focus on this situation.
Picture proof of what SP does with anything she is “done” with.
I agree that the energy check we all got last fall was no long term solution. But I question how the crisis in Emmonak is presented. At $9 per gallon, $1,200 can buy 133 gallons of fuel. I live in Fairbanks, where it is wicked cold. 100 gallons should just get me through this winter. If you have a family of four, that money can buy a heck of a lot more fuel. The state is working on some long-term solutions by subsidizing energy efficiency upgrades for homes. I don’t know if wind turbines are gong to solve this. The state’s response last fall was swift, yet perhaps inefficient or ineffective. Giving the money back to the people creates a moral hazard. But what else could have been done here? And as for donations for the folks in rural Alaska, I’m supportive, but we have to be cognizant of the fact that we are perhaps creating dependencies. We’ve seen this around the world with the foreign aid we provide to developing countries. It can exacerbate resentment.
The discussion about short term and long term solutions MUST begin with “What do the villagers themselves want?”. I have never heard villagers saying they want to become dependent, or want a hand out. They have said they are in an emergency situation and need aid in the short term. They have said, as they have continued to say for years, that they want employment, they want jobs, they want proper housing, and they want their children to grow up in a healthy environment, and they want to keep their villages in their cultural homelands.
What they have gotten is little attention to economic development, little attention to housing that is sustainable and energy efficient, and their schools go begging every year. The state of Alaska has never demostrated the WILL to take it on in a unified way with a plan from start to finish.
It does all come down to affordable and competitive energy costs. Without cheap energy, there will be no economic development. Business has costs associated, and if those costs are prohibitive, there will be no businesses. Cheaper energy means people can afford their homes, run their schools and public facilities.
If housing, energy, or any other improvements are scheduled for an area, first do a training program so that the residents can do most of the building and improvements on the job. Usually, the programs come in, and are delivered from big companies that have bid the project, and rarely do any local hire because the locals don’t have the skills needed. It is backward. Train first, then build.
High speed internet brought to the villages with extensive training could bring another avenue for employment. We are outsourcing help lines all over the world when we could be using under-employed areas of rural America.
Alaska has piss-poor connectivity and speed. Web site development for art and craft sales would be a natural for these areas that are rich in cultural art.
There are solutions, there just needs to be the will to do it. It must start with a real dialog with the Native Community.
@akjed-
I understand your points. I assume the checks also went to food, since the salmon harvest was a bust- no income from fishing means the checks had to pay most expenses. Is the cost of fuel on the YD the same as in Fairbanks?
crystal wolf aka caligirl posted a great letter from Les Gara (the other thread?) that detailed solutions developed last fall that would have eliminated most of the need, solutions that weren’t followed for a number of reasons.
I see the help I sent as a stop gap measure, helping to tide the villages over while they, local/state governments, and other entities develop multiple solutions to sustainability- I know state officials have been in the villages, but I have not heard of any plans the Alaskan government is currently developing. It would be great if you could share what you know with us from the Lower 48.
CRFlats(11:09:43) :
Thanks, that was well said. It helps those of us from Elsewhere:-) to understand the issues.
Damn those Natives for ruining their fishing season and freezing their river and inflating the price of their oil – and then not taking responsibility for themselves.
Some pic of donations arriving and dispersing…
http://www.thetundradrums.com/news/story/4600
and thx for the mailing addy.
I agree that working with people in the villages is the answer. That’s why I contacted Ann Strongheart directly to see what was needed. Ann has done a marvelous job, getting the needs of her village out to us down here in the lower 48, and I whole heartedly support her and what she is doing, and would encourage others to find contacts in each of the other villages in need. Asking them just what is needed in a way that it doesn’t upset the elders, so that everyone (both donors and all of the villagers) can feel good about co-operating in a time of emergency.
However after seeing first hand just how little can be mailed in one flatrate box for $12.95, I had a hard getting enough food for a family of 5, for one day in said box, I know there has to be a better way to get the needed supplies up to the villages. On my limited income I will have to wait until later this month before I could mail another box and some how this doesn’t seem feasable, feeding one family of 5 for one day for $12.95. I’d like to see a better way of pooling our resources and getting more for our money.
“Segundo Strongheart
P.O. Box 7
Nunam Iqua, AK 99666
email: nunamiquayouth at yahoo.com”
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that email doesnt seem to work.
anyone have an update?
Nevermind, the email addy works fine…it was me.
@ Peaceful Granny
We could combine resources for SPAN Alaska orders – CO Almost Native has ordered through them already. Then we can send big stuff like TP, diapers, Pilot Bread etc that doesn’t work well in one rate boxes. I was able to maximize my one rate boxes by doing lots of individual sizes of honey, jam, tuna, etc for Ann to distribute.
It would be easier if we had a coordinator in Anchorage since that’s where all the services to find about are like Red Cross, etc. I would love to feel like I am really helping in a meaningful way and coordinating efforts would be cool if we could figure it out. I wonder why the city of Emmonak can take donations (for fuel) and Nunam Iqua can’t – good question for Ann Strongheart.
Something I’ve wondered about, Alaska is one state that does not have State income tax, is that correct? Would that not help with building rural roads, schools and such? Also pave the was for short term emergency funding instead of having to wait for federal funds? Maybe I’m wrong…just a thought.
I know here, state taxes got to schools, and our “cal trans” builder’s of roads, I know that some is federally funded but I think alot come from state. Especially for schools.
And speaking of $$…Barbie has a 11 mill. book deal? I thought that violated a ethics law?
@Martha Unalaska Yard Sign
Yes, Even though I wanted to respond immediately, since going to get these small boxes, finding people to donate the food, filling the boxes and then going to mail them, at $12.95 each, seems so much unproductive work, I’ve about decided to ask my friends to hold up a bit and see if we can find a better way to help.
It does look like some relief has gotten there and maybe our energy here could be better spent sending money for buying bulk or paying for bulk shipments. Also for paying fuel cost.
@Crystalwolk aka caligirl:
Did Lisa actually say:
“What kind of a government, what kind of a Cruella, could cut retirement benefits to a group of Eskimos in their 80s in the dead of Alaskan winter?”
Where did you get this information?
If she did use the term Cruella, I’m going to send her a huge bouquet of roses!
ATF:Where did you get this information?
If she did use the term Cruella, I’m going to send her a huge bouquet of roses!
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I think it was the ADN that I found it at…
ADN:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/664327.html
Thanks. I knew I could count on you to have that info!
Hello my fellow MUDFLATS…..I read my daily emails from Alaska through this wonderful site I found during the campaign. I love reading what everyone has to say, and I have only blogged a few times on THE MUDFATS. But I just had to post a comment today after I read about the twenty six surviving members of the Alaska Territorial Guard losing their benefits. Then the next thing I see on MSNBC is Gov. Palin wanting $$$$$$$$$$$ ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS for her new book/memoirs…..Can anyone believe this cr@p!!! I am from Missouri, but you can be assured I will be sending a letter, email and call your new Democratic Senator Begich as another voice from the lower 48!!! I just hope that you can get enough votes from the great people of Alaska and the next election for GOVERNOR VOTE HER OUT OF OFFICE!!!!!
@ATF (13:05:00) :
I actually HEARD her say it on the radio last night and nearly fell off the couch laughing!
OT, but Hardball is saying, “Palin to cash in on Book Deal, story to follow tonight”! Didn’t I read some place that Gov’s of AK can’t hold to jobs at one time. I suppose she doesn’t think writing a book is not a job up there. Well, Hardball is questioning if she can read or write. Might be fun to watch. MSNBC tonight.
Ok, just got the update…she is “shopping” her book. It isn’t written yet and she wants 11 million, but who is going to write it? That’s the question if she has someone else write it can she get around the AK law. Well, she appears to be getting around lot of them, so….just saying
@akjed (09:49:43) :
I agree that the energy check we all got last fall was no long term solution….\———————————————————-
Wasn’t there originally some discussion of doing the special energy rebate as some form of heating fuel / gasoline vouchers? While it is certainly true that individuals are ultimately responsible for how they manage their money, it’s also true that windfalls are hard to budget properly when you’re basically hand-to-mouth.
On the other hand, as COan points out, maybe cash was the best way to go, since the salmon harvest was a bust. Double whammy this year.
Peaceful Grammy – I dunno….maybe she is gonna resign to collect the 11 mil………you just KNOW she ain’t gonna be breakin’ the law…….
Just got home from work, so haven’t had a chance to catch up on my Mudflats reading yet – so, apologies if this has already been posted/discussed somewhere.
Front page of the NY Daily News:
Trashed! $180K worth of Palin’s clothes reportedly in garbage bags
Story is here: http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/01/23/2009-01-23_trashed_180k_worth_of_palins_clothes_rep.html
FYI, about the Alaska Territorial Guard. The ATG is a source of pride among the Alaska Natives, and deservedly so. They were the only source for the armed services to patrol Alaska’s huge coastline. Alaska is the only place in America that actually had foreign troops land (suggested reading: 1000 mile war). My father was conscripted to be a patrol boat captain in the Aleutian Islands during ww 2 because he was an Aleut native, and had local knowledge of those treacherous waters. The US had very limited charts of the area. However, the Japanese had excellent charts, as they had been fishing the area for years.
By % of population, Native Americans, and Alaska Natives in particular have the distinction of the highest enrollment in war and peace of armed service.
Another off-topic item, but I am sure it is of interest to people here – just got mine today !
It is an “Obama 44″ hat !
Picture and story are here:
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/550000.html
And while Alaska Natives, Territorial citizens at the time, were enlisting, their relatives were being relocated from their Aleut villages to Southeast Alaska. TB became rampant, the living conditions were as bad or worse than POW camps (old abandon canneries), and many died. Another sad history.
Peaceful Granny (12:32:38) :
@Martha Unalaska Yard Sign
Yes, Even though I wanted to respond immediately, since going to get these small boxes, finding people to donate the food, filling the boxes and then going to mail them, at $12.95 each, seems so much unproductive work, I’ve about decided to ask my friends to hold up a bit and see if we can find a better way to help.
It does look like some relief has gotten there and maybe our energy here could be better spent sending money for buying bulk or paying for bulk shipments. Also for paying fuel cost.
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I ordered through Span Alaska (online, click on Span Alaska Sales). If you order $100.00 or more (several of my friends and I went together), shipping is free and they package, of course. It’s a little more expensive than Costco (12oz. tuna was $2.92 a can), but I factored in our time…just a thought.
Lets discuss this at – NYC Mudstock –
Tomorrow noon at Mustang Harry’s on 7th ave near Penn Station.
Getting the information out – about Palin, about Emmonak about a dozen other things; making a real difference thats why AKM is awesome.
Thats why I’ve been visiting Mudflats every day since I knew about this site.
Mudstock NYC tomorrow !
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/01/sarah-palins-red-naughty-monkey-heels.html
Palin’s used, stinky heels on eBay. Used goods describes her pretty well, huh?
Cool news – we have set up something with Span Alaska to take donations for a Nunam Iqua Relief Fund Account. This means you can donate to a fund without ordering the minimum $100 or items.
I will be back to post the info back here, send to AKM since there is a new topic now, and my sister Alaska Pi will post the info over at Margaret & Helen’s blog.
NEW THREAD ALERT (all about the “informative” SotS yesterday…)
GottaLaff
Good grief, those shoes are now up to $1,148 – and even so, it says that “reserve not met.” You really ought to take a look at the auction itself… it includes a photo of you-know-who with the seller (niece of guess-who). The description is um… “interesting,” there also, too.
Live like you will die tomorrow
For tomorrow’s dreams may never come
For only you can make them a community one
The ode you hear is something we read loud and clear
To laugh, to love, and live life dear
Free of strife, fear of heating prices, food to eat
Is this to much to ask those who took our lives from us
As we sit here and freeze
Life is short, please hear our pleas
Soon we will be the forgotten ones
And that too is fine
All I ask is our children live life free of the pain
Of being left behind…again.
Seems to me that the main thing wanted is JOBS, in addition to this emergency assistance, not merely relying of good/bad fishing seasons. I’ve read so many articles that I can’t remember which links tonight, but a couple of thoughts:
- Back when I was renting a basement apt, electric baseboard heat, landlord lived upstairs. City of Seattle offered storm window/wall insulation program. Landlord and I agreed to split our portion of cost over 3 yrs, upped my monthly rent to pay my portion. While that increased the value of his property, it more than paid for itself the rest of the 10 yrs I lived there.
- That first winter after the project was done beyond SHOCKING. My heat bills fell to 25% of what they used to be, plus I wasn’t wearing 3 layers of clothes to be comfortable, just regular clothes (pajamas even). All the spiders stopped crawling in my basement abode too.
- If rural Alaska were able to fix and insulate their homes, instead of all those folks burning wood or $1000/mo of oil, wouldn’t that be a huge reduction on the greenhouse gas effect?
- In one of those meetings, the Emmo Villagers hadn’t even heard of that last ?$300?million insulation project AK offered. They apparently didn’t have a rural energy expert to check/measure for those communities.
- So, my thoughts are that they should hire people to come in and TRAIN the Villagers to do those jobs!! The Villagers are robust and intelligent. Maybe, train 20-30 people who could then ‘apprentice’ new hires at a reasonable apprentice wage with lots more people working.
- Once they have been trained, fixed up their OWN homes/areas, those trainees would be plenty experienced to branch out for summer work insulating other areas around the state, coming home for the winters when the work isn’t as weather dependent.
- Seems like a reasonable project that might encourage some “Stimulus Project” funding being proposed by Obama and the Congress.
- Haul in teachers, start the training, no need to wait til summer to start giving the lectures and slideshows. Seems like it would be a “Shovel Ready” project that simultaneously stimulates the economy in the rural areas as well as utilizes the existing people there as well.
Just to clarify my comment: “So, my thoughts are that they should hire people to come in and TRAIN the Villagers to do those jobs!! ”
When I say They, I mean the State Program running that $300million energy/insulation program.
Evening all or well maybe morning by the time some of you read this.
OK there is an error on this blog. The mailing address to send donations to Nunam Iqua is:
Ann Strongheart
Nunam Iqua Program for Youth
c/o City of Nunam Iqua
P.O. Box 26
Nunam Iqua, AK 99666
NOT my personal home address please don’t send to Segundo Strongheart box 7. If you already did then that’s ok I mean I will still distribute them but I would prefer they go to that above address.
OOOH AND AN UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!
Today, Friday January 23, not only did the Tundra Drums, a subsidiary of Calista, send a photojournalist out to interview me and anyone else willing to describe how they are struggling BUT ALSO we received our first donations. We received nearly 100 lbs of food and diapers and toilet paper!! These donations were from Houston, TX, Bothell, WA and Wasilla, AK. The ones from Houston arrived only a couple days after being mailed, they were sent in a flat rate priority mail box and it got here VERY quickly.
Also, I spoke with Nicholas Tucker today from Emmonak, (He is the one that originally brought this crisis out. And he informed me that, now I don’t know that this is official, but he said the Emmonak Tribal Council after receiving over 5000 (yes five thousand) pounds of food today, are going to divert some of the future shipments to the surrouding villages of NUNAM IQUA, ALAKANUK & KOTLIK!!!!
Also I received and email from a person who is willing to not only airlift food here but also coordinate in Anchorage by accepting donations and shopping discount stores and bringing it out here.
SO ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK IS STARTING TO arrive here in Nunam Iqua. Quyana Cekneq (Yupik for Thank you very much). I will try to keep you updated as best as I can and answer any emails but it is getting tougher now that stuff is coming in and I am busy getting it out to those who need it.
Thank you again,
Ann Strongheart
Project Director/Supervisor
Nunam Iqua Program for Youth
c/o City of Nunam Iqua
P.O. Box 26
Nunam Iqua, AK 99666
email: nunamiquayouth AT yahoo.com
Whew Ann! Thanks for the update. This “new” address for yourself is the original one that I had already printed out. I was at Sam’s Club today, surprised that they didn’t charge TAX for my goodies because it was FOOD. Everything else here is 9% taxed, so that saved me a chunk.
Made a comment at the checkout stand about sending the stuff to Alaska Villages, especially this one that had lost their Trading Post. The young lady behind me in the line wanted to know more (darned I couldn’t pronounce Nunam Iqua, but tore your address off to hand her) she seemed extremely interested. So, we may find yet another person added to our donor drive or maybe Mudflats.
Glad the donations are coming in, pretty exciting. Still, there’s a lot of people to feed and the winter is far from over. THANK YOU Ann, for helping us get our donations where they are most needed.
Ann, BTW:
I picked up my baby formula at Sam’s. Had checked at that AK Span shipping place, but couldn’t find baby formula for sale there. Problem today though, I tried to get Simulac Advanced powder but they only offered 3 types. The one Simulac was “organic” plus Enfamil, both were double the price, 2lb can vs the “Sam’s Membership” brand 3lb can. I asked a young father walking by with his infant, (I’ve never bought formula before) and he checked over all the ingredients and decided that Sam’s Brand was probably the best way to go, since it had the same ingredients/nutrients. Sorry it’s a different brand, but hopefully the babies can acclimate. I tried my best!
Bought spices, then headed to my favorite Outlet Store. Picked up 34lbs of dried beans/peas/lentils to pack amongst. When I got home I found beans/peas/lentils weren’t on the suggested list. Dang!
Still, after soaking beans overnight to double their size and slow cooking, you could fill a lot more bellies with protein & hot meals. Touch of meat or bacon drippings, that’s how we were raised growing up poor & how my folks were raised during the Depression.
There ARE people up there who know how to cook them or have crockpots, aren’t there?
Seems like, in the bush, there would be. Keeping my fingers crossed here! Tomorrow is going to be an experience, trying to pack everything into boxes. That part is going to get tricky!
Saw later on another Wish List, the pdf with that newspaper site, my beans are fine! Whew! I figure they weigh heavy and will fit nicely around the formula, keeping that safe.