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		<title>By: InterestedPerson</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/02/20/stampede-to-western-alaska/#comment-20765</link>
		<dc:creator>InterestedPerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wanna know why the lies 12:50:44

Hope this is not too late for you to notice....My description was not clear enough,
but related to the Greenhouse aspect of the thread.  What I thought might be a useful 
project to look at, not to just replicate is, as Growing POwer describes it, 

uses &quot;aquaculture as the symbiotice culture of aquatic animals in a recirculating system&quot;.

They use perch and talilpia to fertilize the crops grown in the water.  It is a complete
cycle producing vegetables. The fish in tanks are also sold.  But it is not a fish farm.
The main point is the  greenhouse production of vegetables and plants.  I dont think it would be anything like a fish farm.  

I certainly will look at the site about the wild fishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wanna know why the lies 12:50:44</p>
<p>Hope this is not too late for you to notice&#8230;.My description was not clear enough,<br />
but related to the Greenhouse aspect of the thread.  What I thought might be a useful<br />
project to look at, not to just replicate is, as Growing POwer describes it, </p>
<p>uses &#8220;aquaculture as the symbiotice culture of aquatic animals in a recirculating system&#8221;.</p>
<p>They use perch and talilpia to fertilize the crops grown in the water.  It is a complete<br />
cycle producing vegetables. The fish in tanks are also sold.  But it is not a fish farm.<br />
The main point is the  greenhouse production of vegetables and plants.  I dont think it would be anything like a fish farm.  </p>
<p>I certainly will look at the site about the wild fishing.</p>
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		<title>By: AKPetMom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree with Big Stick and others who see how Palin has insulted the tribal elders. The subtext of her painful words is clear: Native people should leave their tribal lands and their tribal ways and take a job in the whiteman’s economy, live a whiteman’s way of life and leave the area to others (whitemen) who will make better use of it, (e.g. oil exploration, commercial fishing, etc.) And, of course, everyone should see that this idea is approved by government and religion. Of all of the things she has said or done, this is by far the most despicable.&quot;

The big thing is &quot;whitemans way&quot; takes cash money, cash economy.  That&#039;s what is missing in the villages and that&#039;s what needs to be rectified if these villagers are ever going to be able to function in the way that urban and suburban areas do.  Cash economy supplemented by subsistence food gathering.  Industry is never going to happen in the rural areas due to increased costs.  Cottage industries finance some families and fishing and trapping others.  When any of these rural industries collapses it becomes more difficult for families in the bush to live like families on the road system.  It&#039;s a very delicate balance out there and one bad fishing season can kill a village.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree with Big Stick and others who see how Palin has insulted the tribal elders. The subtext of her painful words is clear: Native people should leave their tribal lands and their tribal ways and take a job in the whiteman’s economy, live a whiteman’s way of life and leave the area to others (whitemen) who will make better use of it, (e.g. oil exploration, commercial fishing, etc.) And, of course, everyone should see that this idea is approved by government and religion. Of all of the things she has said or done, this is by far the most despicable.&#8221;</p>
<p>The big thing is &#8220;whitemans way&#8221; takes cash money, cash economy.  That&#8217;s what is missing in the villages and that&#8217;s what needs to be rectified if these villagers are ever going to be able to function in the way that urban and suburban areas do.  Cash economy supplemented by subsistence food gathering.  Industry is never going to happen in the rural areas due to increased costs.  Cottage industries finance some families and fishing and trapping others.  When any of these rural industries collapses it becomes more difficult for families in the bush to live like families on the road system.  It&#8217;s a very delicate balance out there and one bad fishing season can kill a village.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanna know why the lies?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wanna know why the lies?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ InterestedPerson....I am speechless, I repect everyone has a right to their own opinion, and maybe I am not reading your post correctly?  The last thing we want anywhere near our State and Federal waters in Alaska, are fish farms.  Fish Farms &quot;DO NOT PROVIDE JOBS&quot;!  Maybe a handful of jobs, they are far more damaging then they are worth.  Please understand that Alaskan&#039;s will fight till our last breath to keep fish farms our of our State and Federal waters.  It&#039;s an Alaska thing, we are very proud of our Wild Fisheries and we will do everything in our power to keep them wild.  If you need sites to go to, to become more informed on how destructive these farms are, I will be happy to provide you with that information.

Once again, no disrespect here, BUT our Wild Fisheries are vital to every coastal communities well being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ InterestedPerson&#8230;.I am speechless, I repect everyone has a right to their own opinion, and maybe I am not reading your post correctly?  The last thing we want anywhere near our State and Federal waters in Alaska, are fish farms.  Fish Farms &#8220;DO NOT PROVIDE JOBS&#8221;!  Maybe a handful of jobs, they are far more damaging then they are worth.  Please understand that Alaskan&#8217;s will fight till our last breath to keep fish farms our of our State and Federal waters.  It&#8217;s an Alaska thing, we are very proud of our Wild Fisheries and we will do everything in our power to keep them wild.  If you need sites to go to, to become more informed on how destructive these farms are, I will be happy to provide you with that information.</p>
<p>Once again, no disrespect here, BUT our Wild Fisheries are vital to every coastal communities well being.</p>
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		<title>By: FEDUP!!!!!</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/02/20/stampede-to-western-alaska/#comment-20188</link>
		<dc:creator>FEDUP!!!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember where I read this today, but there seems to be a poll out there (USNews?) asking people who they would rather have babysit their kids: Michelle Obama, Sarah Plalin, Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi...

 &lt;B&gt;SARAH PALIN is winning by 13% so far - way ahead of Michelle! &lt;/B&gt;

WTF???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember where I read this today, but there seems to be a poll out there (USNews?) asking people who they would rather have babysit their kids: Michelle Obama, Sarah Plalin, Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi&#8230;</p>
<p> <b>SARAH PALIN is winning by 13% so far &#8211; way ahead of Michelle! </b></p>
<p>WTF???</p>
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		<title>By: InterestedPerson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had intended to do more research directly before mentioning this, but this is
relevant now, and I will continue as well.

GROWING POWER is a sustainable urban greenhouse&gt;fish farm&gt;community supported agriculture&gt;composting
project, started in Milwaukee by Will Allen, with various other sites being developed.
He just won a MacArthur genius grant for this work.  THey have training sessions,
interns, etc. Basically this one man had a vision that he manifested.

While we may think Wisconsin winters are rough, obviously the Yukon Delta is
different, but there would be much that would be applicable.  One of the
many aspects is the good jobs it provides.  And I think the fish farm aspect does
help with the heat issue. And you have lots more sunlight most of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had intended to do more research directly before mentioning this, but this is<br />
relevant now, and I will continue as well.</p>
<p>GROWING POWER is a sustainable urban greenhouse&gt;fish farm&gt;community supported agriculture&gt;composting<br />
project, started in Milwaukee by Will Allen, with various other sites being developed.<br />
He just won a MacArthur genius grant for this work.  THey have training sessions,<br />
interns, etc. Basically this one man had a vision that he manifested.</p>
<p>While we may think Wisconsin winters are rough, obviously the Yukon Delta is<br />
different, but there would be much that would be applicable.  One of the<br />
many aspects is the good jobs it provides.  And I think the fish farm aspect does<br />
help with the heat issue. And you have lots more sunlight most of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: wayney</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the Green House Suggestion

It is actually quite cheap to contruct your own.
My aunt did this and in the dead of winter it was 90 degrees in there

2x4&#039;s (I think) with large sheets of durable plastic staple gunned to it
Leave a little of the plastic under the bottom piece of 2x4 (to keep it from getting &quot;wet&quot;) and the little flap left you put those gray cinderblocks all around (to keep it from falling down/blowing away)

Im sure there is a little more structure to it.. such as on the inside to keep it upright and all.. but it doesnt have to be one of those fancy solar paneled green houses 

May aunt even left a little flap open so her outdoor cat could sneak in and keep warm :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the Green House Suggestion</p>
<p>It is actually quite cheap to contruct your own.<br />
My aunt did this and in the dead of winter it was 90 degrees in there</p>
<p>2&#215;4&#8217;s (I think) with large sheets of durable plastic staple gunned to it<br />
Leave a little of the plastic under the bottom piece of 2&#215;4 (to keep it from getting &#8220;wet&#8221;) and the little flap left you put those gray cinderblocks all around (to keep it from falling down/blowing away)</p>
<p>Im sure there is a little more structure to it.. such as on the inside to keep it upright and all.. but it doesnt have to be one of those fancy solar paneled green houses </p>
<p>May aunt even left a little flap open so her outdoor cat could sneak in and keep warm <img src='http://www.themudflats.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Say No TO Palin In Politics</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, found it. The day Palin&#039;s Pac went up, Pam Pryor, did the talking saying she was the Pacs volunteer spokesperson.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/669707.html

&quot;The Web site went live Tuesday, said Pam Pryor, who worked as a liaison between the McCain-Palin presidential campaign and the Republican National Committee. Now, Pryor is serving as a volunteer spokeswoman for the new PAC.&quot;

&quot;&quot;She came onto the national scene, and there&#039;s still a great deal of appetite in the political world to have her be a part of that,&quot; Pryor said. &quot;Her family and Alaska come first. After that, if there&#039;s extra time, I think she still wants to be involved and will look at the PAC as a way to fuel that to kind of fuel that political activity.&quot;
.................................................................

And she has some very powerful Republican connections AND was part of bringing &quot;faith based funding&quot; into our government. There is a lot of info collected on the Mudflats forum under &quot;Sarah setting up for 2012&quot; thread.
........................................................................
this is her bio from &quot;Enough is Enough&quot;

Pam Pryor

&quot;Pam Pryor has more than 25 years in pubic relations and public affairs. She currently serves as vice president of government relations for We Care America - a non-profit formed around the faith and community-based initiative. In that capacity, she unites faith and community groups with government through the faith and community-based initiative in grant writing and introductions to government agencies and Congress. She has hosted the state directors of the faith and community-based office three times as well as does training for the Compassion Capitol Fund grant that We Care America received.

Ms. Pryor began her career as a college instructor at Point Loma College in San Diego and then Bethany Nazarene College in Oklahoma City. Her media background includes being a TV news reporter and anchor in Oklahoma and host of her own radio talk show. After moving to DC, she worked with an association and did some consulting for various clients in the early 90&#039;s. In 1995, she joined the staff of Congressman J.C. Watts from Oklahoma and served as his press secretary and then as his chief of staff for both his personal office and his leadership post - the House Republican Conference. In 2001, she was named one of the 100 most powerful women in Washington by Washingtonian Magazine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, found it. The day Palin&#8217;s Pac went up, Pam Pryor, did the talking saying she was the Pacs volunteer spokesperson.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adn.com/palin/story/669707.html">http://www.adn.com/palin/story/669707.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Web site went live Tuesday, said Pam Pryor, who worked as a liaison between the McCain-Palin presidential campaign and the Republican National Committee. Now, Pryor is serving as a volunteer spokeswoman for the new PAC.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;She came onto the national scene, and there&#8217;s still a great deal of appetite in the political world to have her be a part of that,&#8221; Pryor said. &#8220;Her family and Alaska come first. After that, if there&#8217;s extra time, I think she still wants to be involved and will look at the PAC as a way to fuel that to kind of fuel that political activity.&#8221;<br />
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<p>And she has some very powerful Republican connections AND was part of bringing &#8220;faith based funding&#8221; into our government. There is a lot of info collected on the Mudflats forum under &#8220;Sarah setting up for 2012&#8243; thread.<br />
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this is her bio from &#8220;Enough is Enough&#8221;</p>
<p>Pam Pryor</p>
<p>&#8220;Pam Pryor has more than 25 years in pubic relations and public affairs. She currently serves as vice president of government relations for We Care America &#8211; a non-profit formed around the faith and community-based initiative. In that capacity, she unites faith and community groups with government through the faith and community-based initiative in grant writing and introductions to government agencies and Congress. She has hosted the state directors of the faith and community-based office three times as well as does training for the Compassion Capitol Fund grant that We Care America received.</p>
<p>Ms. Pryor began her career as a college instructor at Point Loma College in San Diego and then Bethany Nazarene College in Oklahoma City. Her media background includes being a TV news reporter and anchor in Oklahoma and host of her own radio talk show. After moving to DC, she worked with an association and did some consulting for various clients in the early 90&#8217;s. In 1995, she joined the staff of Congressman J.C. Watts from Oklahoma and served as his press secretary and then as his chief of staff for both his personal office and his leadership post &#8211; the House Republican Conference. In 2001, she was named one of the 100 most powerful women in Washington by Washingtonian Magazine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Say No TO Palin In Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say No TO Palin In Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khione (16:06:00) : 

Ironically, Graham’s personal wealth comes from 31 million dollars in grants from the U.S. federal government ($9,029,441 last year), and 260 million in “contributions” last year, with a 3 million net gain.

Tax-free money that comes from the taxes that you and I pay, and a large part from working-class Americans digging deep to donate in church and evangelical functions. Read that number again - 260 million -

In 2008, the State of Alaska was one of just 4 states to receive $500,000 in appropriations to support religious groups through Bush’s Faith-Based Programs Initiative. “Thanks, but no thanks”?

The state office that operates this on a $700,000+ budget was cut by legislative action, but put back in after Parnell objected. What exactly do they do in that office that costs Alaska government more than $700,000 a year? That doesn’t sound “fiscally conservative” to me, nor does it “reduce government”, which is Palin’s platform.
...................................................

VERY GOOD POINT Kihoni!!

And, if I remember correctly Palin&#039;s &quot;first&quot; PAC spokesperson has something to do with Bush&#039;s &quot;Faith-Based Program Initiative&quot;.

I&#039;ll see if I can find that info......by the way, just how many different spokespeople do politicians have for their Pacs?

again, if I am remembering correctly, Meg Stapleton is now the 3rd to say she&#039;s the Palin Pac spokesperson. I&#039;m finding all these interconnections rather interesting but also very hard to keep straight and hard to get the big picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khione (16:06:00) : </p>
<p>Ironically, Graham’s personal wealth comes from 31 million dollars in grants from the U.S. federal government ($9,029,441 last year), and 260 million in “contributions” last year, with a 3 million net gain.</p>
<p>Tax-free money that comes from the taxes that you and I pay, and a large part from working-class Americans digging deep to donate in church and evangelical functions. Read that number again &#8211; 260 million -</p>
<p>In 2008, the State of Alaska was one of just 4 states to receive $500,000 in appropriations to support religious groups through Bush’s Faith-Based Programs Initiative. “Thanks, but no thanks”?</p>
<p>The state office that operates this on a $700,000+ budget was cut by legislative action, but put back in after Parnell objected. What exactly do they do in that office that costs Alaska government more than $700,000 a year? That doesn’t sound “fiscally conservative” to me, nor does it “reduce government”, which is Palin’s platform.<br />
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<p>VERY GOOD POINT Kihoni!!</p>
<p>And, if I remember correctly Palin&#8217;s &#8220;first&#8221; PAC spokesperson has something to do with Bush&#8217;s &#8220;Faith-Based Program Initiative&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see if I can find that info&#8230;&#8230;by the way, just how many different spokespeople do politicians have for their Pacs?</p>
<p>again, if I am remembering correctly, Meg Stapleton is now the 3rd to say she&#8217;s the Palin Pac spokesperson. I&#8217;m finding all these interconnections rather interesting but also very hard to keep straight and hard to get the big picture.</p>
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		<title>By: See Lake Michgan From Porch</title>
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		<dc:creator>See Lake Michgan From Porch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, then, Sarah thinks since the government isn&#039;t the answer to helping citizens-in-need then concerned groups need to be working together in a way to help said needy people which would in essence require an entity such as ...  Community Organizers?  Grind a little pepper on that word salad for me wouldja, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, then, Sarah thinks since the government isn&#8217;t the answer to helping citizens-in-need then concerned groups need to be working together in a way to help said needy people which would in essence require an entity such as &#8230;  Community Organizers?  Grind a little pepper on that word salad for me wouldja, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Islandboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow
 I am really impressed by Sarah Palin.
 She flies in a shiny plane.
 Stays for an hour or two. Drools over Billy&#039;s son
Goes back to the capitol. Err Wallisa
Looks like Billy G and his offspring can at least afford
aviation fuel. Didn&#039;t notice anything about them actually bringing
any foodstuffs on the shiny plane which 
really should have been a nobrainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow<br />
 I am really impressed by Sarah Palin.<br />
 She flies in a shiny plane.<br />
 Stays for an hour or two. Drools over Billy&#8217;s son<br />
Goes back to the capitol. Err Wallisa<br />
Looks like Billy G and his offspring can at least afford<br />
aviation fuel. Didn&#8217;t notice anything about them actually bringing<br />
any foodstuffs on the shiny plane which<br />
really should have been a nobrainer.</p>
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