Palin’s Approval Index Continues to Erode in Her Home State. (Updated)
Well, everyone’s been asking, and here they are – hot off the presses. The latest Sarah Palin popularity numbers from Hays Research Group are in. In order to give you a little perspective, we need to start by looking at these numbers beginning in August of 2007, one year before becoming McCain’s VP pick.
Approval index = +55 (calculated by subtracting “very negative” from “very positive”)
Approval index = +52
Troopergate – Walt Monegan is fired on 7-13-08. His replacement Chuck Kopp resigns on 7-25 in the midst of scandal. Approval index = +46
Palin has been chosen as Presidential candidate John McCain’s running mate. Approval index = +39
Approval index = +25
And the first post-election numbers from Hays Research:
Approval index = +20
So, while in isolation, her approval numbers appear strong, there is a slow and steady erosion happening, and an undeniable trend in the downward direction.
Voters by party political party, October 2008 (total: 495,731)
Alaskan Independence: 2 percent (13,810)
Democratic: 15 percent (76,792)
Republican: 25 percent (126,583)
Libertarian: 1 percent (6 972)
Non partisan: 15 percent (77,227)
Undeclared: 37 percent (185,587)
Green: less than one percent (2,949)
Republican Moderate: less the 1 percent (3,939)
Veterans Party: less than 1 percent (1,935)
(A Big Thank You to Anonymous Number Cruncher and Dr. Chill for the additional graphs above, based on the Hays Research numbers at the top)
Ah, somebody actually takes the numbers out of the vacuum and puts them in context. That would be our own AKM. Thanks!!
Good to see the steady decline…I hope this trend continues.
@womanwithsardinecan, I’m awake, it is just after 3pm here on St. Patrick’s Day.
Ah, yes…enlightenment.
GINO, do you hear that train whistle yet?
That puts her around 30% if she attempts to get re-elected. Kind of like Bush.
I still find it disturbing that she is still liked by over 60% Alaskans. People in Idaho like her too.
akm: I think you should put those numbers altogether on a bar graph. I think the visual would give a much clearer picture.
Those numbers are almost a micoism of the what happened to Palin on the National scene following the RNC.
Palin came out of the RNC with a favorability rating of 52%. By 9/11/08 she had dropped 20 points
When people don’t really know her they like her a lot. The more they learn about her, not so much…
Blue IdahoNo Gravatar (06:34:13) :
I still find it disturbing that she is still liked by over 60% Alaskans. People in Idaho like her too.
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Context. Free money is part of the equation. And Alaska is pretty red too. Like your Idaho. Didn’t you guys have a rep who joked about having an endangered salmon bake?
The important thing is that her numbers have dropped steadily as people have found out more about her. But self interest is always a factor. Ted Stevens is big proof of that. For a very long time people just didn’t care that much about possible corruption because he was pulling in big earmarks for Alaska. Even a corruption conviction didn’t stop a LOT of Alaskans from voting for him. Alaska is a small state in terms of population, and the voters still benefiting from the policies of people like Stevens and GINO can still out vote the Alaskans who have wised up and noticed that GINO is NOT doing their state as a whole any favors.
GINO’s “transparent” government never materialized, but her agenda and lack of ethics are becoming more transparent every day. Exposure is what is destroying her numbers. Her ambition is her downfall. She probably could have hidden in Alaska and not been looked at too closely for a while if she hadn’t gone national.
Hah-ha!
For you friendly statisticians:
Survey Methodology
This survey was fielded on March 13, 2009 as part of the Hays Research Group Statewide Opinion Counts Survey. 400 completed respondents were interviewed The margin of error for the data collected is +/- 4.9 % for a 400 response survey for the data analyzed in its entirety with a 95% confidence level; meaning that we can be 95% sure that if every resident of the State with working telephone numbers who have at least one member who has voted in at least two of the last four local or state elections was actually surveyed, the results would vary by no more than 4.9% in either direction.
The survey sample used was a computer generated random list derived from a database of all households within the State of Alaska with working telephone numbers who have at least one member who has voted in at least two of the last four local or state elections. The sample frame was designed to accurately reflect the actual population percentages.
Respondents were screened to confirm they were over 18 and each household was attempted at least four times over a period of several days to account for non-response bias. Data was analyzed utilizing SPSS Quancept Software. Interviews were conducted by trained staff with on-site supervision utilizing state of the art computer assisted telephone interviewing (CATI). Random interviews were monitored to assure quality control measures were followed. Dialing results were analyzed daily to assure statistically accurate distribution of call disposition in order to account for “non-response” variables.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but does this “undercount” households in which more adults live together than just two? I’m thinking in particular of those intergenerational households we keep hearing about from the villages.
As a scientist, I don’t like graphs that change the scale of their axes on subsequent iterations of the same thing. The downtrend would be much more visible if the % axis remained the same.
just sayin’…
I agree. And another general point is that this poll, like others, undercounts younger voters who only have cell phones and no land lines. AKM
Sarah is good at the “Limbo.” How low can she go?
How many of those bush households have phones? And how often are the lines down in the winter? I’ve lived in isolated places where there is no cell coverage and the landlines go down regularly due to floods. I doubt the pollsters call satellite phones.
Why not add a bar graph with the dates along the x-axis and the (net) approval index on the y-axis….that would show the downward trend that our beloved beauty queen finds herself in quite nicely!
BTW, one of the most common defenses I hear on herself’s behalf is that “but she’s so popular in Alaska.”
Should I be in shock? Happy St. Patricks day everyone (Irishgirl
, u too) We need to concentrate on the Rural vote, I believe that is what got Begich in! Let us figure that out. I believe she will be on the decline, but it amazes me that it has been 4 months and she still figures out a way to fenaggle her way into MSM.
Kind of like spiraled ham – and in the end – you throw the gristle – ass bone in a pot and make soup………
I vote in every Alaskan election and have since 1982. Not once have I ever been called for jury duty or for a local political poll. Intellectually I believe that these polls are random and scientific (that’s what I was taught in college), but my baser instinct says that the calls are not random. They are screened for the best possible results.
Every day, I wake up hoping that this is the day that all Hell breaks loose and Sarah is finally caught with her hand in the proverbial cookie jar with no room for escape. I am dumbfounded that smart, hard working Alaskans put up with her nonsense. If she worked for a “real business” she’d be fired.
And will someone please answer for me what it is exactly that the Governor of Alaska does all day?
ATF – “nada”
womanwithsardinecan (06:57:14)
I’m with you. It makes me NUTS when scales are not kept constant when comparing results over time. It is so misleading!
I am still “Upset” that I never got a phone call from the polling people! Obviously I am NOT feeling the LOVE. Give her a few more months to continue NOT doing the job that Alaskan’s hired her to do, as well as continuing to expose her family laundry for all the world to see. Then let’s do another poll, by those standards, the train has defiantly left the station w/out Gino.
Happy St. Patricks Day !!
I wonder if her numbers would be so high if she did not give out those checks every year.
At some point with her management skills there will be a crisis and then I’d like to see her numbers.
I was trying to figure out why so many people here in AK like her too. It seems most of them are the diehard Alaskans. Alaska is a young state – only 50 years old), mostly founded on the oil industry, so the large original folks here are from oil states like TX and OK. Most all of my acquaintances see through her, but then again, most of my friends have roots in other states, that put value on education (reading, researching) than the roughnecks who prefer television and sports. ( Don’t mean to categorize – this is a generality.) She is less popular in cities like Homer and Juneau, where residents tend to travel more (have knowledge about the world). The few Republican friends I have who like her, and don’t care for PO are the NRA members who are viciously protective about their gun rights. They are narrow focused.
I find it very interesting….. I have a far more difficult time finding people that like her than those who do not. Most think she’s an idiot in Anchorage and heaven forbid if you ask someone from the bush.
Syrin from Wasilla has her pegged perfectly….she’s a populist politician.As a retired teacher who thinks that the pursuit of knowledge and learning is VERY important, I knew I didn’t like her the moment I saw how poor Piper was forced to campaign instead of being a second grader. And no matter what she says, poor Bristol is indeed a high school dropout.After years of hearing how the public schools are failing, she’s the poster girl for the reason why…education is not valued in this country as it should be. The reward of education is knowledge, the ability to be presented with a variety of opinions and options and making an informed choice.
Freakout in KansasNo Gravatar (07:04:05) :
Why not add a bar graph with the dates along the x-axis and the (net) approval index on the y-axis….that would show the downward trend that our beloved beauty queen finds herself in quite nicely!
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Good idea. Who has a graphing program?
womanwithsardinecanNo Gravatar (06:57:14) :
As a scientist, I don’t like graphs that change the scale of their axes on subsequent iterations of the same thing. The downtrend would be much more visible if the % axis remained the same.
just sayin’…
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And you said it very well – I, for the life of me couldn’t, but I concur.
ATF (07:13:50) :
I vote in every Alaskan election and have since 1982. Not once have I ever been called for jury duty or for a local political poll. Intellectually I believe that these polls are random and scientific (that’s what I was taught in college), but my baser instinct says that the calls are not random. They are screened for the best possible results.
Every day, I wake up hoping that this is the day that all Hell breaks loose and Sarah is finally caught with her hand in the proverbial cookie jar with no room for escape. I am dumbfounded that smart, hard working Alaskans put up with her nonsense. If she worked for a “real business” she’d be fired.
And will someone please answer for me what it is exactly that the Governor of Alaska does all day?
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Well Geeze! She spend a WHOLE hour of her time on Sat @ the Fred Meyer store (a photo op) to help Girl Scouts sell cookies! Doesn’t that count?????
ATF I totally agree with you, everyday I hope it is the day! Hope springs eternal
dee (07:45:39) :
Syrin from Wasilla has her pegged perfectly….she’s a populist politician.As a retired teacher who thinks that the pursuit of knowledge and learning is VERY important, I knew I didn’t like her the moment I saw how poor Piper was forced to campaign instead of being a second grader. And no matter what she says, poor Bristol is indeed a high school dropout.After years of hearing how the public schools are failing, she’s the poster girl for the reason why…education is not valued in this country as it should be. The reward of education is knowledge, the ability to be presented with a variety of opinions and options and making an informed choice.
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Dee I agree with you! Do you know the RepoTaliban was the ones that pushed for home schooling? Some states are so lax they do not require tests to monitor if kids are even “learning” anything! Some states like Cali reg. a Teacher’s cert to homeschool your kid. We saw the evidence of home schooled kids @ GINO’s rallies during the campaign… small minded idiots! Some of them believe that kids don’t need to start school until 12!
Heh! Has anyone see the commercial of the little kid making a pic on the computer and she says she is 4 1/2? I bet that kids goes to PRE-SCHOOL!
In other countries Education is valued far more than here.I think PO is trying to change that, but repotalibani call that “elitist”???
The Empress wears no clothes! Oh my!
Wildly popular energy expert?
If you were really clever you could run a poll without the ‘somewhat (meh..)’ option and claim a 64% approval rating.
However, 64% in a red/boondock state is hardly “wildly popular”, and would give rise to questions as to why the approval rating has been sinking.
Where is the category for lying ???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_re_us/bristol_palin
woman with sardine can-you are a scientist and a teacher. i did notice the lines running across and that they changed scale over time but i didn’t know why that should be. thanks lady. miz sarah and her ilk will be around a long time. we can try to minimize the harm they do but it seems to me that sociopaths have a great deal of energy that’s why we always hear their supporters/suppliers say things like’ she/he’ is like a breath of fresh air’ or “i just love way he/she makes me feel.” i think girlfriend is ready to dump alaska for someplace like idaho or oregon if she can run for a senate seat there….b
@ bubbles
“i think girlfriend is ready to dump alaska for someplace like idaho or oregon if she can run for a senate seat there”
In one sense, I would love to believe that SP would leave our fair state – but it’s not going to happen anytime soon. She believes that she has “clout” in Alaska and it would take years to build the base she has in Wasilla somewhere else. She won’t leave (dammit) until she has a way to come back regularly to “refresh” herself in her home base. Alaskans are pretty much like fish out of water, if they are happy here, when they try to leave the state for any length of time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shannyn-moore/karl-rove-sarah-palin-tim_b_175557.html
“After receiving a curious email last week from a friend in New York, I am searching for the answer to that question for one such visitor. Granted, in a year, Alaska has four times as many visitors as we have citizens. Old bumper stickers asked, “If we call it ‘tourist season’ can we shoot ‘em?” The ‘visitor’ who captured my interest is Tim Griffin. In an interview last month published in a small Arkansas weekly, Mr. Griffin claimed to have come to Alaska “more than 20 times last year.”
I just emailed AKM a stacked Bar chart, time scaled in BMP format, with 5 categories, Very + Somewhat+ Other Somewhat – and Very –
It should be easy to view or post.
Portfolio March 2009 has Sarah Palin on the cover. What the article says makes that witch pictured a few blogs back melt a little more.
They do have several enclaves of neo-nazi , white supremacist groups in the woods in Idaho. What’s that saying………”Home is where the Heart Is”………no offense to clear thinking Idahoans (?)
The Conde Nast Portfolio Gino edition is out tomorrow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/sarah-palin-emportfolioem_n_175636.html
*titter titter*
Portfolio article is now available. Headline says:
Forget “Drill, baby, drill.” Sarah Palin says she’s building a $40 billion gas pipeline, which even President Obama wants. The only problem: It isn’t there. And it’s her fault.
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2009/03/17/Governor-Palins-Big-Energy-Battles?page=1#page=1
@ austintx
Again, she wouldn’t move unless she had a way to take the WHOLE family w/ her incl. Bristol who is 18 and her parents. United, they stand (for now), divided they fall (let’s rush that right along, OK?). It’s just a weird Alaska phenomena.
Here’s a link to a graph…
Palin + / – Approval
Lets see if it works…
http://content.glidesociety.com/image.aspx?id=6a670e3c-5f3d-48b3-b958-14e4fc7e58d5
Levi and Bristol now have a New Big Red Truck to move on their own……..
Nice work DrChill
Going in the right direction, but our work is not yet done.
Re: porfolio article pic is titled “my way or no way” and this:
“I came back from Alaska with the sense that the further Palin goes, the more she resembles not Joan of Arc but Eva Perón. In their book Evita, Nicholas Fraser and Marysa Navarro wrote of Perón that “the only people with whom she felt totally at ease were those who accepted what she was doing unconditionally” and that eventually “there was no one left around her capable of criticizing anything she did.”
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2009/03/17/Governor-Palins-Big-Energy-Battles?page=5#page=5
Dr Chill: Niiiiice!
I have actually been called for a few polls. And I’ve gone through the questions, only to get to the one about age when they say I don’t fit their demographic needs. So I assume that means that any of my answers were thrown out. Or I get tossed because we don’t have children at home, or because I don’t work outside the home, etc. There’s always something. I wonder if it’s just because they don’t like my answers and that’s a convenient excuse.
I’m not fond of polls in general. From the times I have answered questions, I’ve found them to be very unrepresentative of my own feelings or beliefs. The questions are structered in a way that doesn’t allow for points of view that don’t line up with the person/group paying for the poll. So, for a democrat who loves the environment, hates guns, favors pro-choice, it’s very hard to answer any of the republican poll questions.
Lately, we’ve had a lot of calls, but just let the phone ring and eventually they give up and call someone else.
BUT, I am glad that Sarah’s numbers are dropping – only because that’s what gets reported to the public, and maybe that in itself will be enough for people to start asking why. Maybe those lowering poll numbers will wake up some of the voters so they’ll start paying attention to the nutty things she keeps doing.
She wouldn’t stand a chance in Oregon, so maybe you should send her here. Oregon is very blue. Portland is pretty interesting with lots of tolerance. Both our mayor and Superintendent of Schools are openly gay.
Article from Bloomberg -
‘Sarah Palin Blows another teachable moment’ – Personally I thought they could have made that title a lot shorter!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aUoRTqRtwOPE&refer=home
Dr. Patois (09:09:10) :
The Conde Nast Portfolio Gino edition is out tomorrow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/sarah-palin-emportfolioem_n_175636.html
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Thanks Doc for linking this, I was just about too. It’s good, VERY good, and ALL Mudflatters should read it!!
Please note in the article the reference to GINO’s “magical thinking.” I’m hearing the Beatles’ Magical Mystery Tour in my head. Hmmm, may have to rework the lyrics…… I’m thinking the late great John Lennon wouldn’t object. He would’ve hated GINO.
OT OT OT OT OT Iditarod!
Keep these mushers and dogs in your thoughts today and throughout the week! There will be a winner by tomorrow but lots of teams spread along the trail behind still to come into Nome. The weather is awful and dangerous.
“Battling brutal arctic winds as much as his challengers, two-time champion Lance Mackey pulled into Elim well before dawn on Tuesday, anxious to end the battering that 37th Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race has inflicted.”
Pat, Washington state (09:29:17) :
I have actually been called for a few polls. … I’ve found them to be very unrepresentative of my own feelings or beliefs. The questions are structured in a way that doesn’t’t allow for points of view that don’t line up with the person/group paying for the poll.
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They’re not intended to represent individual opinions, but trends in the masses. The pollsters may be interested in knowing whether people are more likely to throw rocks or roses, vote yea or nay…
Its not an essay question, and the end result will not be a coherent point of view.
just read the ‘The Conde Nast Portfolio’ at Andrew Halcro site….Now I understand so much better about the pipeline, and GINOs ego….
…who pays MegaMouth, SarahPackO’ lies or AK…
I can’t tell the diff…same press release on Gov site appear on SarahPackO’ lies site…not one word changed…and MegaMouth travels with her on State business & SarahPackO’ lies round-a-bouts….
I think the only thing she changed was her job title…it would be interesting to see those pay & travel records
Oh, those new graphs are good. Great work bloggers.
UK Lady (09:39:13) :
Article from Bloomberg -
‘Sarah Palin Blows another teachable moment’ – Personally I thought they could have made that title a lot shorter!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aUoRTqRtwOPE&refer=home
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UK Lady :
Secret Shopper: Magical thinking…I can’t wait to hear what you come up with and yes JL wouldn’t mind at all
A good post on the washington post politics blog by Chris Cillizza: The protectors of the Palin Brand. Enjoy
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/palins_team.html
She really looks her age on that cover. LOL
Polls, smolls. She’s a done duck. Even those who might like her can’t miss the fact that every time she does anything it turns into a blunder, and her blunders look foolish for all of Alaska (and gas, and oil, etc.).
Love that the office who never comments on anythin g that isn’t “state business” constinues to argue about Star Magazine… they just can’t stop themselves. Palin just cannot stay out of the public eye, she loves the lights too much, even those hot lights that burn her.
A real life soap opera…
Link Kmart??
Paula, here it is:
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2009/03/17/Governor-Palins-Big-Energy-Battles
If she is not Governor in 2010 does she stand a chance at the Presidency in 2012? Should be interesting! Maybe the best thing that ever happened to Palin, whom I refer to as the vile creature, was being thrusted in the spotlight for VP. People learned about what it really is and G-d is closing the door that I believe the devil opened.
Thank you, Dr. Chill!
bubbles (08:51:10) said: i think girlfriend is ready to dump alaska for someplace like idaho or oregon if she can run for a senate seat there….
Not Oregon! (or Washington, either) She’d get a blast of hooting from the progressive and well-educated of both states past Spokane or Bend — and she’d HAVE to cross either state line into Idaho, her true home state. There, she could join the survivalists and gun nuts in southern Idaho.
By the time she qualified to run for Idaho’s Senate seat, she’d probably lose another 20% of approving Palinistas because she’ll really start looking like a Granny by then.
Oh Brother! Andree are you reading this?
“Then all hell broke loose. One of her colleagues on the commission was the chairman of Alaska’s Republican Party. Only as dim a bulb as Murkowski could have failed to recognize that as a conflict of interest. Palin caught him conducting party business in his commission office. She became instantly famous when she ratted him out and then resigned from her position, saying she couldn’t sleep at night because she was so upset by the breach of ethics.”
Now she does the same Flipping thing!!!
Didn’t she resign b/c it was too far to drive and kept her away from “the Family”? I thought I read that???
This is such good news!
Thanks for the article links everyone! The Portfolio reporter ripped GINO to shreds and Carlson and Cillizza (two of my faves on MSNBC) did a nice number on her as well.
Very bad day for Scarah.
petepeta–thanks for posting that; I’d just found it and was about too. Ooo, lucky girl, she’s got “protectors”… Maybe they need to be doing a better job?!?
Excellent article and what fun to read!
SabrinaNo Gravatar (10:21:20) :
This is such good news!
Thanks for the article links everyone! The Portfolio reporter ripped GINO to shreds and Carlson and Cillizza (two of my faves on MSNBC) did a nice number on her as well.
Very bad day for Scarah.
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Ripped her a new one…for sure! C4Prs will yapping about it!
I hope AKM blogs about it, it is a blog worthy article for sure!!
Portfolio article on GINO’s OIl “expertise:
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2009/03/17/Governor-Palins-Big-Energy-Battles
Definitely interesting times for Palin, particularly if the pipeline is not a “go” Her campaign slogan was New Energy for Alaska. Maybe she will need BO’s help to keep the job!
cool stacked graph.
Martha Unalaska Yard Sign (09:00:29) :
@ bubbles
“i think girlfriend is ready to dump alaska for someplace like idaho or oregon if she can run for a senate seat there”
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Yeah, I’m with Sandy: Send her to Oregon. Even our incumbent repub senator couldn’t get re-elected this year, and he wasn’t nearly as offensive as her highness; even fairly centrist compared to much of the current repub crop. It would be as easy as shooting wolves from helicopters, I think…
There is a difference in WHO is doing the polling -
……….http://griperblade.blogspot.com/2009/03/republican-polling-not-even-worth.html
sorry -
http://griperblade.blogspot.com/2009/03/republican-polling-not-even-worth.html
Happy StPaddyDay…
…what’s this like the 3rd straight week of bad press, [where she and her spinners haven't been able to twist words around to suite their own purposes]
Pvazwindy:::::here you go, a sing along….“GINO Crock”
Sarahs 2012 shove
& you felling the BOGO* love
Meg lying so & bill being a d!&k
They’re swell on that GINO chick
Sitting on that bridge to nowhere dock
Hey, let’s watch – GINOs sinking like a rock
GINO lower now
GINO lower now
You registered minus on the graph bar
Finally a ‘real’ RNC Star
*buy one get one
[Hope Ernest Evans, a.k.a. Chubby Checkers won't mind my using his song].
My weekly ‘get it outta my system’ post [I might be lying just a little bit]…
Somebody may already have this up.
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2009/03/17/Governor-Palins-Big-Energy-Battles
Available on your internet today.
Long but very good article.
Wonder if Palin knew it would slam her when she posed for the pics?
If Palin runs in Oregon does that mean she’ll have to change the state capital of that state from Salem to Wasilla/Anchorage, too? You certainly don’t expect her to have to move, do you?
MARNIE::::Wonder if Palin knew it would slam her when she posed for the pics?
POSED being the key word, GINO didn’t care long as they spell her name right…
Dosent read as if she was interviewed for the article, lots of quotes from so many who ‘seem’ to disagree with her…
The Protecters of the Palin Brand
EXCERPT;
So, who are the figures charged with guiding Palin’s political image in Washington? Here’s the lineup based on our conversations with informed strategists.
• John Coale: Coale, a well-known Washington lawyer and the husband of Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren, drew national media attention when he endorsed Sen. John McCain’s presidential bid in protest of the way in which Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who he backed in the primary, was treated. Coale, in an interview with the Fix, described himself simply as a “friend” of the Alaska governor
LINK;
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/palins_team.html
SHOCKING COMMENT;
Chris omits a significant fact about John Coale.
He’s a prominent Scientology lawyer.
Here’s a quick rundown of his Scientology training:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-p.-coale.html
.. and another writeup about his involvement with SarahPAC:
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/van_susteren_scientology_and_sarahpac
Sarah Palin — the candidate of Scientology
Who knew? I’ll bet her multitude of Christian evangelical supporters would be interested to find out about this.
But now her babbling all makes sense.
Posted by: tbetz | March 17, 2009 3:20 PM
Excellent article in Portfolio. Some old Alaskan hands might remember the writer as the author of “Going To Extremes”, a book that stuck it to the state back in 1980. Is it my imagination or does the photo of Her Nibs in the article make her look just like the witch in the Narnia movies?
In her former life as nurse Ratched, she felt quite at home in the State Hospital, but that is being torn down. She could wait until after the election and wouldn’t have to move.
Mag the MickNo Gravatar (11:55:16) :
Excellent article in Portfolio. Some old Alaskan hands might remember the writer as the author of “Going To Extremes”, a book that stuck it to the state back in 1980. Is it my imagination or does the photo of Her Nibs in the article make her look just like the witch in the Narnia movies?
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YES! Now where the hell is Aslan??? Alaskan’s need him Now!
I believe the Portfolio picture is actually an old one from the Vogue shoot a year ago. Vogue is also owned by conde nast, I believe.
@crystalwolf:
Ripped her a new one…for sure! C4Prs will yapping about it!
I hope AKM blogs about it, it is a blog worthy article for sure!!
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AKM is going to have a field day with the articles! Bring it on…
Looks like Palin is going to need 5 more PR people.
PC, you’re right. The photos ARE outtakes from the Vogue shoot.
I’ll try to post this again. I’m not seeing it come up?
The Protecters of the Palin Brand
EXCERPT;
So, who are the figures charged with guiding Palin’s political image in Washington? Here’s the lineup based on our conversations with informed strategists.
• John Coale: Coale, a well-known Washington lawyer and the husband of Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren, drew national media attention when he endorsed Sen. John McCain’s presidential bid in protest of the way in which Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who he backed in the primary, was treated. Coale, in an interview with the Fix, described himself simply as a “friend” of the Alaska governor
LINK;
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/palins_team.html
SHOCKING COMMENT;
Chris omits a significant fact about John Coale.
He’s a prominent Scientology lawyer.
Here’s a quick rundown of his Scientology training:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-p.-coale.html
.. and another writeup about his involvement with SarahPAC:
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/van_susteren_scientology_and_sarahpac
Sarah Palin — the candidate of Scientology
Who knew? I’ll bet her multitude of Christian evangelical supporters would be interested to find out about this.
But now her babbling all makes sense.
Posted by: tbetz | March 17, 2009 3:20 PM
I think you can safely bet that AKM’s fingers are flyin on the muddy keyboard !
Hmm, the Sarahphiles added the “very positive” (40.5%) results to the “somewhat positive” (23.8%) results and came up w/a 60% approval rating! Toooo funny, that’s some magic math for sure (sing “Magic Man” by Heart and add words “magic math”, that’s what I did and can’t get it out of my head….oh, wait, that’s a Kylie Minogue song…now have Heart battling Kylie in my head. Time for a dog walk.)
It’s the headline on the sarahpalinblog place.
When looking at poll numbers, um, so too, also to make the most sense of those math numbers, one should so too add the columns of respondents that responded to said poll so that too could, um make those numbers also add up to be in the favor of those that could so too have been possibly made to look, um, not so good in the first place would them be made to look much more better in the end.
Real nice to read such a clear, well researched and well written analysis of her ability as governor. his thesis and conclusion are right on the mark.
How widely read is the Portfolio?
If the Portfolio article was required reading for all registered voters, Palin’s approval index would erode down to the basement level.
The article is withering and spot on concerning GINO.
The author’s description of GINO’s operating style is “puffing up dragons she could then slay. Her tactic was first to demonize, then to defeat.”
Dragon-puffery didn’t work too well in the general election, though. She tried to demonize Obama but ended up looking like the hell-hag herself.
Gino just smiled and posed for the picture in Porfolio. She does not care about the contents of the article and will never ever read the contents. She is such an imbecile.
Just one more and I’m leaving….Only 20.5% were “very negative”. 12.5% were only “somewhat negative” and she can win them over if she only gets to meet them in person and “wink” at them. The 6% who “don’t know/refused” well, they must have “witches in their soul” and are unrepentant heathen atheists who know no god but hate, so perhaps they will remain in their little short column of undecidedness and never be saved by the graces of the snowqueen. It is sad for her that there are those that will not be won over by failed governance and a wink and a smile. Those are the people that will rule the world….but she doesn’t know that yet so, shhhhhhh,
Now, if I was running a pro SP blog I’d have added the 40.5% positive to the 23.8% somewhat positives to the 12.5% somewhat negatives and ended up with a 76.8% pretty much positive result of ego stroking love for the fabulous snowqueen gino. They like me, they really, kind of like me, somewhat….
Help me out, please: Who is “C4Prs”?
Crazy for Palin? Creeps for Palin? Christians for Palin? I’ve spaced out on the real name….
Secret Shopper, you got me going now, you really got me going, oh yeah…
I Am the Doofus (Lennon/McCartney/Bardette)
I love me as you love me as all love me and all love me together.
See how they run like wolves from a gun, see how they fly.
I’m culling.
Sitting on a pipeline, waiting for the gas to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bridge to nowhere.
Rush, you been a naughty boy, you let your boobs grow long.
I am the swagman, I am the bagman.
I am the doofus, goo goo g’joob.
Mister City Policeman sitting
Fire the policeman just on my say-so.
See how they fly like Lucy in the Sky, see how they run.
I’m lying, I’m lying.
I’m lying, I’m lying.
Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead wolf’s eye.
Rifle-toting fishwife, pornographic huntress,
Boy, I’ve been a naughty girl I’ve let the whole state down.
I am the swagman, I am the bagman.
I am the doofus, goo goo g’joob.
Sitting in an English garden polishing my gun.
If the moose don’t come, I’ll get a “man”
To speak about my great Queen reign.
I am the swagman, I am the bagman.
I am the doofus, goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob.
ANWR SHMANWR drilling spilling,
Don’t you thing the joker laughs at you?
See how they smile like pigs in a sty,
See how they snied.
I’m lying.
Semolina salmon, missing from the Bristol Bay.
Elementary brown bear see you at the rug fair.
Man, you should have seen them clubbing little baby seals.
I am the swagman, I am the bagman.
I am the doofus, goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob.
Goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob g’goo.
Bravo, Bardette! Bravo Secret Shopper! Bravo!
@nswfm CA (13:01:48) :
We don’t like to spell it out, as it can work as troll-bait, but the first word’s the opposite of liberals and you’ve got the rest of it correct.
Good lord, she really IS the Ice Queen in those pictures!
Bardette..love it….
nswfm CA (13:01:48) : Help me out, please: Who is “C4Prs”?
I am suprised, suprised that you didn’t know [LOL]
Con – serve -atives for the Queen of Low’ness, the one -n- only….GINO
they are so stalker-loyal…
Thank you so much Bardette, I really needed that. Wow all this constructive activities, wwaahhh I want photoshop, you think Gino would send me a copy?
first, lookit the dead animal around her neck. I bet that’s wolf.
Second: “bubbles (08:51:10) said: i think girlfriend is ready to dump alaska for someplace like idaho or oregon if she can run for a senate seat there….”
She better stay the F away from CT, because I am not certain I won’t make it onto the 11 o’clock news more than once, and at least once in cuffs!!!
Whoa! That article was incredible. Poor GINO, being dissected and undone in print like that with accompanying pictures for our edification. Neat. Thanks to all for the links.
nswfm: C stands for conservatives.
Just read the Portfolio article. That really puts a lot together. No wonder she wanted to sell Girl Scout cookies. It sounds as if SP never grew up. Too bad.
From that Portfolio article:
That was when Sarah Palin reared her head.
She saw the launching of a natural-gas-pipeline project as a God-given opportunity to prove herself bigger than Big Oil.
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May Big Oil give her the ass kickin’ she deserves.
That head-rearing line reminded me of that pic with Putin’s head about 2x the size of the earth—I think I saw that on this blog…
I’m hoping this mentally unstable GINO gets locked up in the funny farm before too long and before there is too much more damage….
@nswfm CA (13:01:48) :
Help me out, please: Who is “C4Prs”?
Crazy for Palin? Creeps for Palin? Christians for Palin? I’ve spaced out on the real name….
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I think it is Conservatives for Palin.
Ripley
I think those are AK47′s hangin’ from her ears also.
p.s Lurked over on C4P and they are nuts. They are showing the poll and the comments section is hilarious.
Apparently she can leave AK for the lower 48 (what happened to Hawaii), as much as she likes once she has won the 2nd term. Does Alaska know they feel this way?
Someone else suggested they post the poll over here to p*ss us off (clueless like their heroine).
Some even suggest she dumps the ‘anklebiters’, charmers all!
Conservatives, HUH!
I like “Crazy (people) for Palin” better! Dopes for Palin…keep going, there’s probably an entire alphabet!
Fools for Palin….Asshats for Palin, Boobs for Palin…I can’t think of one that starts with an E right now….
Endtimers for Palin?
I think we all know what the ‘f’ is.
(GOP) Elephants for P…
Ooo, UK Lady’s is WAY better than mine!
F = Fools for P…
GOPers for P…
(apologies in advance…) Hillbillies for P
Idiots for P
Not ‘quite’what I had in mind injuneau, but it works.
Endtimers! Perfect! This should be a game somewhere! [Didn't mean to do that, AKM!]
Bardette (13:03:30)
Hey Semolina Salmon!….that was excellent!
@UK Lady (13:50:43) :
I know, but I was trying to keep this a family friendly place!
Bardette: “I am the doofus”
That is CLassic! I’m saving that one !!!
“Sitting on a pipeline, waiting for the gas to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bridge to nowhere.
Rush, you been a naughty boy, you let your boobs grow long.”
Bardette – Rock on !!!……. in my best “Wayne’s World” yelp.
Just for fun, here’s the jim Carey “doofus”
To go with Bardette’s Lyrics
Really (Lennon/Bardette)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPkytVdy5Us
Not ‘random’. Predetermined conditions/criteria that eliminate: a land-line telephone AND had to have voted in the last 2 of 4 elections. That means no one 18-24 (?) for the voting condition and many many people no longer have landlines, especially seasonal and shift workers – ironically, a particular representation of real Alaska. Some of us have landlines only for internet access and would not be answering them. That also means someone with a new landline wouldn’t necessarily ALSO have voted in 2 of the last 4 elections.
My grandparents, parents and uncles all have the same phone numbers since 1976 and vote. NONE of them have EVER been surveyed by anyone.
The real interesting piece is that Hayes and Ivan Moore have a breakdown of the communities called and it’s supposed to represent actual population densities. So, the majority of households called are Anchorage, and urban metro areas – like WASILLA!!!
Before the election, the survey had somewhere around 50 Bush Alaska calls, out of 400. Bottom line – these surveys DO NOT accurately represent Alaska opinion, regardless of confidence and soundness of drafting and delivery.
Idaho – “over 60% of Alaskans” do not, in fact, approve of Palin. That means that if you walk through the store, stop at the gas station, ask your coworkers and the people at the bank, it would not prove itself out to be 6 out of 10. Regardless of party affiliation, MOST Alaskans do not admit to approval of Palin, did not or will not vote for her again, and have strong concerns.
The only people that I know of that “like” Palin are church-going evangelical Christians. I don’t say this in disrespect or as a criticism, but as an observation. As an expression of faith and church loyalty, they are obliged to vote in this order – Christian candidate, Republican. Regardless of who it is or what they do. They are directed by pastors and discouraged from seeking information from any source outside of church leadership. Internet, TV, news, books, magazines; everything is suspect. Palin’s support constitutes this group. It’s quite sad; you can’t have a conservation because they have no real information and to suggest anything to them is to question and disrespect their church leadership.
got a call from Defenders of Wildlife yesterday…drumming up donations of course – and I donated…again. But as we were talking, the subject of palin came up regarding the wolf killings. I told him I would support them monthly if they could come up with a way to get rid of her. ha ha
he said surprisingly, the Alaskans LIKE palin. go figure.
GC
Good post. What I would like to know is how these churches keep their tax exempt status when they are influencing political elections.
OT, Bad Iditarod Dog…from the Onion. Tooooo funny.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/stumbling_bumbling_sled_dog_sorry?utm_source=a-section
@UK Lady (14:18:10) :
That is the key question, isn’t it?
Thanks BigPete – I enjoyed that.
I never much liked Jim Carey as a comic but he’s an excellent singer. Hmmmm, got me thinking about recording my own version and posting on youtube…
Thanks for the re-work of Walrus Bardette, I just know John Lennon is laughing his ass off somewhere. Thanks everyone for such great posts/links! My God Pain is palin’ around with Scientologists – the Christian Right is going to go nuts over this!! Geez, my head is spinning. Can’t wait for more!
UK Lady – I hope AG Holder takes a look at the church/election “problem”.The Mormons spent millions on defeating Prop. 8.
The things that are done in the name of religion! Now the Pope is saying that condoms help spread aids in Africa. When O when will people wise up to the bigots and sexually repressed people that they think speak for God. If I believed in God it wouldn’t be one that let people suffer and die in his/her name.
SoCalWolfGalNo Gravatar (14:25:00) :
Thanks for the re-work of Walrus Bardette, I just know John Lennon is laughing his ass off somewhere. Thanks everyone for such great posts/links! My God Pain is palin’ around with Scientologists – the Christian Right is going to go nuts over this!! Geez, my head is spinning. Can’t wait for more!
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Somebody at C4Pmentioned scientology and someone else What? Then the other told about GVS and husband….! Kind of a shocked silence about that one, lol!
UK Lady:Now the Pope is saying that condoms help spread aids in Africa.
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WHAT!!!!
condoms help prevent it??? WTF? Does he want to kill everyone off????
Quite a few Canadians have followed GINO’s peregrinations through the political landscape with both trepidation and tongue in cheek. Alaska and Aberta have a great deal in common in regards to petro-wealth. As well, the pipeline to nowhere would come almost through my back yard! Palin’s antics throughout the campaign were some of the best entertainment of 2008!
The rest of the world realized that her behavior sealed Sen. McCain’s downfall, although it was disheartening to watch the some of the rallies, which so plainly exhibited a segment of your country in all its rabid, xenophobic, racist, sexist glory. (Unfortunately, the same mindset also exists this side of the border to some extent). Mudflats, I commend you on this blog…now let me get my pajama clad body out to the kitchen to fix supper!
Just another abstinance only nutjob. And I’m s’posed to be RC. I tell you crystalwolf, these people just can’t stand the thought of anyone having sex.
Sorry to go off on one, but this is the same Pope who excommunicated a mother and her ’9′ year old daughter. The reason – the mother got her an abortion after her STEPFATHER raped her and got her pregnant. Miserable f*cker!!!!
GC – yep. That is why I posted that link up above. A poll can be skewered any which way. Just the way the Rethugs. did the gerrymandering of voting districts lead by head ass-wipe Delay. That is why the Rethugs are also going to try to queer the census , because of all the potential new Democrats that will be counted. Namely Blacks and Hispanic.Never a sense of fair play with those slime balls.
OT OT OT
This just makes my day!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090317/ts_nm/us_bush_canada
1st sentence: CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) – More than 100 protesters chanted “war criminal” and flung shoes in Calgary on Tuesday, angry that former U.S. President George W. Bush was in the Canadian city to give his first speech since leaving the White House.
There’s more there… love it!
DON’T EVEN get me going on the catholic church !! AKM will sling me SO far into the flats , I won’t even be a memory………
UK Lady: Heh! She’s lucky she got excommunicated from THAT CULT!!!
I’m with Austintx on the catholic cult!
Clowns for Palin!
Sorry if I insulted any clowns…
C4P have now discovered we have the poll up. They give us B+ for effort, I give them A+ for having sh*t for brains.
caligrl – Cult that has paid out 1 Billion dollars for sexual abuse. Yes , 1 Billion. Enough on them , definite downer.
UK Lady – You’re a pistol for sure !!! Loaded at that !!
http://tinyurl.com/dlable My favorite quote from the Portfolio.com
article:
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At the start, everybody loved Sarah. Even the state’s largest newspaper, the Anchorage Daily News, which she’d denounced as a “yellow liberal rag,” hailed her as the “Joan of Arc of Alaskan politics.” Few noticed that her political skills were not matched by an interest in, or grasp of, policy. Or that her concept of truth was, shall we say, rather elastic.
“Facts to her are like Silly Putty,” said Larry Persily, former deputy commissioner of Alaska’s Department of Revenue, who later worked for Palin in the state’s office in Washington. “She shapes them into whatever people want to hear.”
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ROTFLMAO! The Ice Queen will sell you out for sweeties! (or Silly Putty)
Bardette (13:03:30) :
Secret Shopper, you got me going now, you really got me going, oh yeah…
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Great job!! Loved it! Working on a couple of songs at the moment: Magical Mystery Tour and The Fool on the Hill. Stay tuned….kids too wild at the moment to think.
New name for GINO: Tammy Faye Palin.
Someone said Palin is popular in Alaska and Idaho.
Didn’t she win a beauty pageant in those States?
No, no, I remember, now, she won Miss Alaska and it was her daughter who won Miss Idaho.
Well AKM ….the idiots from C4P say after “someone” tipped them off to your poll here, and you know who YOU are…
Well at least you didn’t give the link directly that they wanted….
Mudflats are the Alaskan Kos, with less of a track record, I’ve been there once or twice, and had a strong temptation to wash off the muck.
OT: austintx (14:50:16)
You are not alone in the “Issues with the Catholic Religion” department. My first husband’s father almost became a priest, and he was THE most judgmental person I’d ever met, even to this day.
His belief: if you are not Catholic you are condemned to hell.
I’ve just got one thing to say–WHAT DO ALL YOU MUDPUPS HAVE AGAINST OREGON? Keep Gino far, far away from here. We just booted our incumbent repub senator to the curb (and I helped, even though his family cannery is in my back yard, and my dear friend’s family used to be business partners with his family). Cut us Eastern Oregon Liberal Progressive Pajama-clad Bloggers a break here; we’re endangered! She gets down here she’ll be gunning us down from spray planes!
(I was going to post the link for the Portfolio article, but others beat me to it, then I was going to ask for local Mudpup informed opinion, but I think I got that, too. Then I saw what you were saying about exporting La Belle Dame Sans Merci to Oregon and I about blew a gasket. Things are bad enough here already. My biggest client’s about to go belly up and take me with him if I can’t do some fast pitching. If she were here my only option would be to go to work for her organization, and that could only end in tears.)
if Sarah was a stock I’d be short selling !
UK Lady, not just tax-exempt status, but giant donation bases – millions of dollars from hard-working Joe Average buying God – huge investments all tax-free, properties, houses for Christian school staff/teachers, buildings. Samaritan’s Purse/Franklin Graham – millions in gross annual revenue, netting good profits. Graham’s Alaska properties include a “non-profit” aviation repair service in Soldotna that generated $900,000 annual tax-free revenue, and an ‘affiliation’/property-sharing in a Lake Clark “village”.
Just one family lives there, it’s a dynastic carpetbagger missionary enclave, that collectively owns 41 high-end aircraft, including Sikorsky helicopters. They squatted on original indigenous inhabitants, who eventually gave up and left. Purpose? Missions to bush Alaska, Siberia and the Russian far east to deliver Jesus to pagan heathen Natives. This is all public information, no secret.
Yep, this is a direct benefit of America’s separation of church and state, and our constitutional commitment to an individual’s right to pursuit of religion without persecution. It would never happen otherwise. Something that the evangelical Christian community fails to realize and fully understand and appreciate how it works for their benefit.
Question: how come missionaries never proselityze to their own groups and race? Why is it always an ethnic endeavour; India, Native Americans, Africa, South America, New Guineau, Micronesia, etc.? Why not L.A., New York, Toronto, London? How about those Scandinavian countries? Bring Jesus to White people in Norway…
BodieP – IF she leaves , it’ll be Idaho. I’ve been to your state and loved it !!
GC – In other words it is a huge scam. Preying on the naive and innocent. They are no better than the people indoctrinating children into radical islam. May they rot in the hell they don’t truly believe in.
Lets hope that the power of the inter tube thingies opens eyes all over the world.
Oh Boy, KO on a roll tonight! HA! The rightwing nutjobs think there is a “left wing” blog that journalists (like KO, RM) and bloggers conspire to make up stories “leaning to the left” LOL!
Geeze can we say Paranoid?????
yes, saw KO. we’re finally getting our corrections out, fast and furious, to
those pesky right-wingers…they act poorly (not Godly) and say ridiculous, off the planet untruths. it was mentioned by the KOS founder that the reason conservatives are so easily swayed and convinced is that the messages that pour out to these ppl by their propaganda machines over all media are consistent and the exact same crap…so if they hear the same lies from multiple sources…they buy into it! never questioning, never researching, never seeing different points of view. they will never be fixed – to quote Janeane.
*New Thread alert*
Wow! A repub x senator Chuck Hagel Blasting Cheney for what he said about PO! Awesome! Nutty prescriptions! Good for him, I guess some of the repubs are getting sick of the “silliness” (his words)!!!!
Fav Onion quote:
Despite the husky’s shortcomings, musher Lance Mackey has stated that Melvin will remain in the lead dog position, mainly because Melvin bit the leg of fellow lead dog Sarah. Melvin was quick to point out, however, that at the time of the incident, he was suffering a panic-related delusion in which Sarah had transformed into his father, an Alaskan malamute who always told his son he would never amount to anything.
the problem child (an aunt, also)No Gravatar (16:46:02) :
Fav Onion quote:
Despite the husky’s shortcomings, musher Lance Mackey has stated that Melvin will remain in the lead dog position, mainly because Melvin bit the leg of fellow lead dog Sarah. Melvin was quick to point out, however, that at the time of the incident, he was suffering a panic-related delusion in which Sarah had transformed into his father, an Alaskan malamute who always told his son he would never amount to anything.
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Good one!
My brother had a Alaskan Malamute named “Yukon Jack”…he was so cute! They don’t bark! He would stomp/do a little dance for his dinner
Please don’t insult Tammy Faye by associating her with the Palin name. She kinda wised up in her later years and was a fun goofball rather than a scary psychotic wingnut. Tammy Faye would probably be appalled with GINO if she was still around. Maybe she would claw out GINO’s eyes with those fingernails of hers.
Happy St. Paddy’s to all! I’ve got corned beef in the oven (no, I don’t know how to cook it or when to add the cabbage, but I’ve had two beers and felt compelled).
” i think girlfriend is ready to dump alaska for someplace like idaho or oregon if she can run for a senate seat there….b”
Oh please, not Oregon! Bubbles, thats where I am originally from at likely to retire to someday. That would completely ruin my home state for me! I think Oregon is too blue for her, thankfully.
hey gc….
no sending the proselityzing hypocrites to sunny l.a.
i’m quite happy here in my heathenessness.
(yep, i made up that word, but i’m kinda liking it)
Lainey – They are scared to death of Janeane G. ………she has their number….and they can’t stand it. She aspires to move from 5th on “the list” to 1st !! Why won’t any one of those sissy’s debate her ?? HA !! I’d do pay per view in a heart beat !! I wish she would throw down a challenge !!
womanwithsardinecanNo Gravatar (16:50:26) :
Please don’t insult Tammy Faye by associating her with the Palin name. She kinda wised up in her later years and was a fun goofball rather than a scary psychotic wingnut. Tammy Faye would probably be appalled with GINO if she was still around. Maybe she would claw out GINO’s eyes with those fingernails of hers.
She did mean well, not like GINO!
She also cooked the cabbage, and it came out really good. I tried to cook one…well, didn’t turn out well at all 
Happy St. Paddy’s to all! I’ve got corned beef in the oven (no, I don’t know how to cook it or when to add the cabbage, but I’ve had two beers and felt compelled).
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I felt really bad when Tammy passed…
I had corned beef one time cooked by my ex SIL and she cooked it on the stovetop and it took hours! Hope you have more beer
Hope yours turns out good! Happy St. Pats day!
I just poured water over it in a dutch oven and shoved it in the oven. Luckily it is a tiny piece (only two of us here) so it should cook fast. And opened another beer to go with KO. Tammy did mean well, may she RIP, fingernails and all. I’m off to see what Keith has to say tonight.
@austintx——good, they should run scared. we have actually intelligent, articulate ppl on our side. I would pay to see that debate too! it would be fun to see them stammer and stumble and stutter over how to respond to real issues…without pointing that finger back and saying ‘I know you are, but what am I”.
Bardette, that’s brilliant!
Here’s the trick to corned beef–put the beef in a Dutch oven with a strong broth of water and red wine vinegar. Slice in a couple onions and add some salt, garlic if you like, and peppercorns. Cover the whole thing, put it in the oven and cook it on slow heat until it literally falls apart. Slice in enough red cabbage to nearly cover the beef, re-cover, and simmer in the oven for maybe half an hour, until the cabbage is tender, but still has a little structural integrity. Take it out, slice the beef, serve it on a bed of cabbage, with garlic mashed potatoes, fresh hot rolls, and sliced, baked cinnamon apples. (OR follow your meal with apple pie.) Don’t think it’s the Irish way, but it’s the way my German Grandma used to do it, and me even MORE German Grandpa and his brother used to love it when I cooked it that way for them.
PS–you can also add some beer to the broth, if you like. It works well.
awwwwww, damn it! bush was in Calgary and did NOT get arrested! (as promised ? for torture & war crimes). just another pie in our face, courtesy of bush.
BodiePNo Gravatar (17:28:53) :
Here’s the trick to corned beef
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Sounds good Bodie! Makes me want to try my hand at it again! Maybe next year! Thanks!
It’s tasty and tangy, and the cabbage is milder and crisper than the canned kraut you get these days. In all ways superior! Thanks, Gramma!
Barbette—–your lyrics were brilliant!
okay, i’m going to throw in some vinegar and garlic while the corned beef is cooking, as well as a splash of my IPA. My cabbage is savoy instead of red, plus I have some curly kale to flesh it out.
@ GC
Really appreciated your last two posts.
Your question: “How come missionaries never proselityze to their own groups and race?”
While the missionaries would say that they are trying to reach the “unreached,” I think there are actually some very unflattering ulterior personal motives that have been shown historically.
The proselytizing religious group almost always has feelings of religious superiority and ethnocentrism. Not only do they have “the one true way to God” but there’s anunderlying disdain and disprespect for the culture they choose to approach, usually a vulnerable culture in some respects. Both of these elements are synergistic in supplying the necessary zeal and self-importance to their missions. Proselytizing their own groups and race is nowhere near as rewarding as this “synergism of superiority” since the element of ethnocentricity is minimized. Historically, missions have almost always tried to change a group’s culture while carrying out their primary goal of religious conversion.
The themes of religious superiority and ethnocentrism also play very well to those comfortable home congregations who want to discharge their “go ye and minister” duty by coughing up money to send those “brave, selfless” surrogates to minister to the souls of the “lost” in far-flung places, usually “far-away” and “down-there.”
correction:
“an underlying”…..although “anunderlying” sounds nicely phonetic.
The aromas coming from the oven are definitely OT. As for proselytizing, it is a gobbling up of cultures, killing them, hitting them over the head with religious dogma, submerging them in a sea of disrespect and assimilation. I can live at peace with religious groups that believe that prayer and religion are a personal matter, but I cannot live with fundamentalist algal overgrowth, bent on “converting” all living beings to their narrow dogmatic ideological culture war. They truly want bots, not thinking beings. If I weren’t an atheist, I would think that God wanted strong thinking beings to flourish in the universe, spreading love and open minded thoughtfulness throughout, emphasizing ideas and commonality, not hate, anti-intellectualism, and tribal exclusionism.
C4P “anklebiters” are whinning@about the poll posted here…be prepared for troll activity from them, especially VD!
Vidious Odious!
Let’s see . . . 40.50% + 23. = 64.3%
Doesn’t 64.3% favorables still make Palin the most popular governor in the nation? If not, which governor beats her?
Oops. 40.50% + 23.80% = 64.3%
What did I tell ya! VD is on the other thread
@ TeleL
“Popularity” is a very relative determination. Consider the following:
Palin won the office of governor in 2006 with 48.7& of the votes. Not even a majority. ( about 100,000 votes out of a total of 206,232 total votes cast)
Palin may be “popular” in a state with about 660,000 people but there are 350 million in the country.
There are MAYORAL races in the lower 48 with many more voters than the whole population of Alaska ( eg. 2001….Bloomberg received 719,000 votes out of over 1.3 million cast in NYC ).
Basically, Palin is a small fish in a small pond.
Stow the “popularity” argument. It only emphasizes Palin’s delusions of grandeur.
@womanwithsardinecanNo Gravatar (18:09:31) :
The aromas coming from the oven are definitely OT. As for proselytizing, it is a gobbling up of cultures, killing them, hitting them over the head with religious dogma, submerging them in a sea of disrespect and assimilation.
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Amen! And the mindset is cultivated from before the children can talk–it’s present in the values, the music, the teachings–you name it. The forms are there before the children can understand the words. It’s worse than brainwashing, because it has all the weight of God’s Will behind it.
@Lee323
Palin may be “popular” in a state with about 660,000 people but there are 350 million in the country.
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whew! thanks Lee, I needed that!
Lee323: Not much for context are you?
The poll was to measure her popularity as governor in her own state.
I suggested that with a favorables of 64.3% she may STILL be the most popular governor in the nation when compared to other’s governors’ favorability statistics.
So far no one has offered a name of a governor who has higher favorable statistics than Sarah’s.
Bueller?
Oh, but I did give the context…..and quite admirably I might add:
Palin is a small fish in a small pond….and the numbers support that. It’s all relative, my friend.
Sigh….. A guv. in a large state could have only a 50% approval rating but the actual numbers of PEOPLE that 50% represents would still be many more than Palin’s number of approving voters in her little teeny state. (See above Bloomberg example where he received a little over 50& of the vote).
This debate is over. Go look up the concept of “relative.”
TeleL, if it’s important to you to think that Palin is overwhelmingly popular in Alaska, fine. Go ahead. Ideologies aside, it is what it is. And it could change at any moment, right?
Just for fun and illumination, here’s some numbers from a Palin/AGIA survey in the summer. Don’t know when exactly.
Survey size: 510 people. Breakdown of numbers surveyed by geography.
AREAS OF ALASKA:
Southeast | 65 | 12.8% |
Rural Alaska | 54 | 10.6% |
MatSuKenaiValdez | 104 | 20.5% |
Anchorage | 211 | 41.5% |
Fairbanks | 74 | 14.6% |
So, what this says is that 389 people (out of 510) were from the two urban cities and their metro areas, including Wasilla. 76% of the people surveyed.
Southeast is a huuge place and includes Juneau and some sizable towns like Ketchikan and Wrangell; runs all the way down toward Prince Rupert, BC. They checked in with 65 people. The rest of us in Alaska’s 300+ communities? 54 people. I just don’t know which 54 people.
Moving on – 17% were Democrats, 33% Republican, 49% Other. 83% were Conservative/Moderate, just 17% were “Progressive”. Hmm. Interesting.
65.8% of the 510 people were older than 50, 65.5% had no children (wow! that’s what it says), 77% were married. Huh. Does this sound like Alaska to you? [About 70% of the people that I know are unmarried, with children, and about 50/50 Progressive/Moderate.]
What this says to me: ~60% of urban/Wasilla, Conservative married older couples with no children approve of Palin. Give or take 4.9%.
That’s actually not so great for Palin when it boils down. I would have expected a higher number of that particular demographic profile to approve of Palin. That is her base, after all.
What these surveys REALLY are, are surveys of who in Alaska has a landline and voted in 2 of the last 4 elections. This has got absolutely nothing to do with what Alaskans think.
Lee323: Your logic is faulty.
Under your reasoning, if a governor had very low favorables in a highly populated state, they would still have more people approving of that governor than the number of people in Alaska who approve of Sarah. And that is your definition of a successful governor?
I think there is no doubt that Palin is very popular with her base. She’s popular in Utah. She’s popular in Oklahoma. She’s popular in Alaska. This state is development driven, very Republican and has a solid population of social conservatives. They also like the “notion” of Sarah Palin as a spunky attractive woman who talks about reform. And? *shrug*
This is NOT the rest of the country. Simply because she has a good approval rating in her own state, doesn’t mean she is fit or able to lead the country. It just means that a majority of people in a state that hasn’t voted blue in a presidential race since Lyndon Johnson thinks she is a good fit. And they feel all special because an Alaska girl got national attention. Simple as that.
I remember when she had a 90% approval rating!! So what 64% means is that she’s lost Democrats who used to support her. She’s lost quite a few Independents who used to support her. Her numbers are not rising. They are going down. When will they bottom out? Anyone’s guess. But the more people know, and the more they pay attention, the more the numbers slip. Slow, steady, erosion…
And I do believe financial and oil issues will be her undoing. Just my 2 cents!
@ Lee323 (17:58:39) :
While the missionaries would say that they are trying to reach the “unreached,” I think there are actually some very unflattering ulterior personal motives that have been shown historically.
The proselytizing religious group almost always has feelings of religious superiority and ethnocentrism. Not only do they have “the one true way to God” but there’s anunderlying disdain and disprespect for the culture they choose to approach, usually a vulnerable culture in some respects. Both of these elements are synergistic in supplying the necessary zeal and self-importance to their missions. Proselytizing their own groups and race is nowhere near as rewarding as this “synergism of superiority” since the element of ethnocentricity is minimized. Historically, missions have almost always tried to change a group’s culture while carrying out their primary goal of religious conversion.
The themes of religious superiority and ethnocentrism also play very well to those comfortable home congregations who want to discharge their “go ye and minister” duty by coughing up money to send those “brave, selfless” surrogates to minister to the souls of the “lost” in far-flung places, usually “far-away” and “down-there.”
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Wow! You have explained something that I’ve NEVER figured out before, and I think you hit the nail on the head! Frankly, I saved your comment in an email to myself so that I can later reflect on it. Just makes total sense. Thanks for the insights!
I think it will be ‘interesting’ to see how Palin’s popularity polls rack up this year when she can’t produce the big Energy supplements to the Permanent Fund payments, given the decrease in oil money.
I could not believe what I read here!
The Protecters of the Palin Brand
EXCERPT; So, who are the figures charged with guiding Palin’s political image in Washington? Here’s the lineup based on our conversations with informed strategists. • John Coale: Coale, a well-known Washington lawyer and the husband of Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren, drew national media attention when he endorsed Sen. John McCain’s presidential bid in protest of the way in which Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who he backed in the primary, was treated. Coale, in an interview with the Fix, described himself simply as a “friend” of the Alaska governor
LINK; http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/palins_team.html
SHOCKING COMMENT;
Chris omits a significant fact about John Coale. He’s a prominent Scientology lawyer. Here’s a quick rundown of his Scientology training: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-p.-coale.html .. and another writeup about his involvement with SarahPAC: http://www.andrewhalcro.com/van_susteren_scientology_and_sarahpac Sarah Palin — the candidate of Scientology Who knew? I’ll bet her multitude of Christian evangelical supporters would be interested to find out about this. But now her babbling all makes sense. Posted by: tbetz | March 17, 2009 3:20 PM
I’m loving your discussion, Lee and Kath. It reminds me of all those prayers for “missionaries and colporteurs all over this vast harvest field” I used to have to say as a child. I always thought of field full of woolly-headed heathens, waiting for the missionaries to bring shirts and good Adventist haircuts. Even then, I felt bad about it–I always liked the missionary stories before the missionaries arrived, when people were happy, and danced and sang and wore colorful clothing and seemed to enjoy their lives.
As I’ve grown older, it’s grown a little more complex in my mind. While I still feel that most groups are better off for a little respect (and for having their right and responsibility to their own culture supported) I also believe that while traditional medicine may have much to offer, even remote groups should have access to both technology and medicine, if they wish it. The challenge in my mind is, how do we make the benefits of our own society and culture available to those who wish it in a respectful way, and without destroying others’ culture in the process? In many ways proselytizing is such a very mixed bag (at least in the Adventist model, which is what I”m most familiar with), because along with all of the bigotry, racism, and superiority that Lee references above–and that is very real–comes things like AIDS medicine, and sophisticated surgeries that might save lives. If only we had some non-religious missionaries! Or was that the Peace Corps?
akmuckraker: The same could be said about Obama’s steadily declining popularity.
His numbers are not rising. They are going down. When will they bottom out? Anyone’s guess. But the more people know, and the more they pay attention, the more the numbers slip. Slow, steady, erosion…
I will be interested to see what Obama’s ratings are doing in his third year, when he has a track record, and if he retains popularity on a national level. But the article is about Palin, remember?
AKM
True – but there is one fundamental difference here – Obama won an election on a National Level, Palin did not. End of argument.
@BodieP (05:11:26) :
It still is the Peace Corps!
OT, but useful, if anyone still needs corned beef recipes for next year–I popped mine in a baking pan, added two bottles of stout and some water and the spice packet, put it in a 300 degree oven for 4 1/2-5 hours (added all the extra liquid because I wasn’t going to be home to monitor keeping 1/4″ of liquid in there like the recipe said to…). When we got home, I took it out of the pan, put in another and put it back into the warm oven while I put all the liquid (which included all the melted fat) into a large pot, brought it to a boil, added a ton of smallish potatoes, boiled for 10 minutes, added a bunch of carrots, boiled for another 15 minutes, and served it all. The corned beef was about the tenderest I’ve ever made, and now I have a bunch of potatoes and carrots to use with it for corned beef hash. YUM!
Speaking of polls, here is a new one from the Huffington Post;
A poll releasedby Public Policy Polling found that President Obama would crush Sarah Palin in a hypothetical, head-to-head presidential election for 2012.
Polling suggests that such a contest would result in the largest popular vote blowout since George McGovern ran against Richard Nixon in 1972.
Obama leads Palin 55-35 in the hypothetical contest. He has an 89-7 advantage among Democrats. Among Republican he trails 66-17. Last year exit polls showed Obama
winning only 9% of the Republican vote, so it appears Palin would lose a lot more voters
within her party than McCain did.
The poll showed Obama to have a 55 percent approval rating among voters, while Palin had only 39 percent favorability.
Which lends weight to my point above – Palin’s approval rating in her home state, which is arguably filled with like minded people – may be high but in no way can be correlated with the approval rating of the POTUS. Furthermore, if one WANTS to compare the favorable rating of the two, Obama still far outweight Palin.
TXChick4Obama (10:12:29) : “Palin’s approval rating in her home state, which is arguably filled with like minded people…”
yeeaaahhh…no.
To the contrary – arguably NOT like-minded and frankly misrepresentative of the Alaskan people.
Nothing wrong with the survey tool, nothing wrong with the researchers and their work. They said straight out what it is, methodology, etc. They drew no conclusions. The problem is not context or relativitiy. The error is in the application.
The correct use of these approval surveys is to state the limitations with the data. Like this: “OF the people 500 surveyed in a prescreened sample, 60% were favorable…” and “83% of the sample identified as Conservative/Moderate, 76% were urban/metro area, 66% were older than 50 and without children.”
Pro-Palin groups have to be delighted that this stuff keeps getting used; it suggests an endorsement from Alaskans that simply isn’t demonstrated.
GC (15:52:27) asked: Question: how come missionaries never proselityze to their own groups and race? Why is it always an ethnic endeavour; India, Native Americans, Africa, South America, New Guineau, Micronesia, etc.? Why not L.A., New York, Toronto, London? How about those Scandinavian countries? Bring Jesus to White people in Norway…
Actually, GC, my husband’s nephew is a Mormon, and he and his wife spent 2 years recently in Finland trying to convert the Laplanders. If you’ve studied your history and geography, etc., you know Laplanders are related more closely to the Siberian Mongols than they are lily-white Europeans.
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It never fails to amaze and amuse me to see the C4P types compare Sarah Palin with Barack Obama. Not only are they light years apart in philosophy, education, intellect, emotional connection with the people they purport to represent, dedication to responsibility, and motives — they were not “paired” except in the minds of Palin’s deluded followers. Palin will always be the gullible redneck sidekick to John McCain, and both of them lost to Obama and Biden. If Palin should be compared to anybody, it’s Joe Biden.
And if she’s lucky enought to avoid indictment, impeachment, or the popularity of GWBush before 2012, she rightfully should be compared first to whomever runs against her in 2012 — and only THEN will it be “fair” to compare her to Barack Obama, the same way some compared Obama to Bush this past year.
My own opinion? I don’t think she’ll win ANY election in the future. Not even in Alaska.
My corned beef dinner last Sunday consisted of a slow-cooker, a nice 2.5lb slab of corned beef, set on “high” to cook for 3 hours (it started out frozen), then simmered on “low” for another 2 hours.
I steamed unpeeled russet potatoes in a separate pot, then diced them, sprinkled McCormick’s Montreal Steak Seasoning over them, and sauteed them in a frying pan until they were browned. I also steamed baby carrots separately.
I cut a half-head of cabbage into 4 pieces, and layered the cabbage on top of the nearly cooked corned beef in the slow cooker.
Everything was ready after the cabbage cooked for 1/2 hour; the texture of the cabbage was very slightly crisp, but definitely cooked through.
I probably overdid the corned beef as far as cooking temperature and time; next time I’ll try to remember to thaw the meat out thoroughly, then slow cook it on “low” for ~6 hours.
A friend of mine cooked the same meal for our monthly Bunco game last night, and she did a much better job on the corned beef, but I liked my cabbage and potatoes better….
Oh, yeah, back to on topic….
GC (15:52:27) asked: Question: how come missionaries never proselityze to their own groups and race? Why is it always an ethnic endeavour; India, Native Americans, Africa, South America, New Guineau, Micronesia, etc.? Why not L.A., New York, Toronto, London? How about those Scandinavian countries? Bring Jesus to White people in Norway…
Actually, GC, my husband’s nephew is a Mormon, and he and his wife spent 2 years recently in Finland trying to convert the Finnish.
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It never fails to amaze and amuse me to see the C4P types compare Sarah Palin with Barack Obama.
Not only are the two light years apart in philosophy, education, intellect, emotional connection with the people they purport to represent, dedication to responsibility, and motives — they were not “paired” except in the minds of Palin’s deluded followers. Palin will always be the gullible redneck sidekick to John McCain, and both of them lost to Obama and Biden. If Palin should be compared to anybody, it’s Joe Biden.
And if she’s lucky enought to avoid indictment, impeachment, or the popularity of GWBush before 2012, she rightfully should be compared to whoever runs against her in 2012, and only THEN will it be “fair” to compare her to Barack Obama.
My own opinion? I don’t think she’ll win ANY election in the future. Not even in Alaska.
My apologies. I’m not Irish, don’t ruin expensive alcohol with food coloring, have Irish friends that are tortured and agonized every March and avoid bars because invariably someone sings Paddy songs and cries on them about the “homeland” after too much green beer. They have no leprachaun and clover decorations and they’re not impressed with attempts to make the worst cut of meat on the planet palatable with pickling spices. They do play great music and like soda bread.
I make good moose stew, but have no recipe to share. I can make spaghetti with bear sausage, also, too. Not my bear, a gift from a friend, also not Irish, and not related to the Palins. Once again, no recipe. I never cook anything ahead of time and never never leave the house with ovens and appliances on, because I will most likely burn the house down. I’m partial to a good hamburger on a Tuesday. Maybe some ginger ale. Or orange juice if there is some. Raisin bran’s always good in a pinch, as long as the milk isn’t sour. And that’s all I have to say ’bout that.
I think it’s a vanity to compare Palin to Obama. Before all the grooming, it was widely assumed that she was setting up for Ted Steven’s spot, and that it was likely to happen. She may have missed an opportunity – she may very well have been better at a congressional role than Governor.
A better comparison would be another celebrity state-level politician, like Arnold in CA.
3/09 – “Schwarzenegger’s rating dropped from 40 percent in January to 34 percent among registered voters in the poll that was concluded Feb. 17, two days before he and legislators made a final deal on the budget. Those low numbers stood in sharp contrast with President Barack Obama’s 67 percent approval among registered voters, including a plurality of Republicans and 53 percent of those who labeled themselves as conservatives.”
8/05 – “…in a poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, close to 54 per cent of Californians say they disapprove of the Austria native’s performance–almost double the 28 per cent a year ago and slowly approaching the 67 per cent who weren’t impressed with Davis two years ago. Tim Hodson, executive director of the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento, says, ‘Schwarzenegger is crashing and burning because voters now view him as just another partisan politician and because people just want government to do its job.’”