Comments on: Drain Baby, Drain! Chevron Tanks Will Be Drained. http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/ Tiptoeing Through the Muck of Alaskan Politics Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:47:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Ptarmigan Nest - Ptarmigan, the State Bird of Alaska. A peaceful little creature. » Chevron’s Smoke and Mirrors; are you a colonist or an Alaskan citizen? http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-37623 The Ptarmigan Nest - Ptarmigan, the State Bird of Alaska. A peaceful little creature. » Chevron’s Smoke and Mirrors; are you a colonist or an Alaskan citizen? Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:45:07 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-37623 [...] have sought to shine light on Chevron’s lack of due diligence now think the problem has been solved. Would we be better off with an oil spill into The Inlet of six-million gallons or three-million [...] [...] have sought to shine light on Chevron’s lack of due diligence now think the problem has been solved. Would we be better off with an oil spill into The Inlet of six-million gallons or three-million [...]

]]> By: 264 Crayons http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-37435 264 Crayons Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:29:26 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-37435 Curious to find what other SP sites are saying, I did the following search results for palin websites: Results 1 - 10 of about 7,380,000 for palin websites. (0.18 seconds) WOW! But my favorite line was this one right under the results: "Did you mean: plain websites" Curious to find what other SP sites are saying, I did the following search results for palin websites:

Results 1 – 10 of about 7,380,000 for palin websites. (0.18 seconds)

WOW! But my favorite line was this one right under the results:

“Did you mean: plain websites”

]]> By: PetroleumEngineer http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-37350 PetroleumEngineer Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:04:28 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-37350 daMamma... back in the early 70s when the facilities were built there was an oil embargo and as a result of that embargo and the resulting gas shortages (mostly manufactured) there was a rush to "decrease our dependence on foreign oil" (sound familiar? ) by drilling in Alaska and placing storage facilities in places where they were "accessible" to tankers coming to collect said oil. There were NO environmental impact studies done mainly because they weren't required back then and the facilities were placed "willy-nilly" wherever there was access with little cost to the oil companies. THAT is how the storage facility got built at the base of Mount Redoubt. I am far less certain why the facility wasn't moved in the 1990s when Redoubt blew the last time... most likely because the danger was thought to be "minimal" and that people really wouldn't complain too much about the possible extremely negative effects of leaving it there. Whether or not Chevron will move it is anyone's guess but there are those of us in the business who are working to get them to move it to a more safe location and to use a different design of storage facility which doesn't leave so much crude in the tanks. Whether we will be successful in the endeavor or not remains to be seen. HOPEFULLY this time around Chevron pulls their collective craniums out of their collective rectums and MOVES the facility to a safer location with a safer design. daMamma…

back in the early 70s when the facilities were built there was an oil embargo and as a result of that embargo and the resulting gas shortages (mostly manufactured) there was a rush to “decrease our dependence on foreign oil” (sound familiar? ) by drilling in Alaska and placing storage facilities in places where they were “accessible” to tankers coming to collect said oil. There were NO environmental impact studies done mainly because they weren’t required back then and the facilities were placed “willy-nilly” wherever there was access with little cost to the oil companies.

THAT is how the storage facility got built at the base of Mount Redoubt.

I am far less certain why the facility wasn’t moved in the 1990s when Redoubt blew the last time… most likely because the danger was thought to be “minimal” and that people really wouldn’t complain too much about the possible extremely negative effects of leaving it there. Whether or not Chevron will move it is anyone’s guess but there are those of us in the business who are working to get them to move it to a more safe location and to use a different design of storage facility which doesn’t leave so much crude in the tanks. Whether we will be successful in the endeavor or not remains to be seen. HOPEFULLY this time around Chevron pulls their collective craniums out of their collective rectums and MOVES the facility to a safer location with a safer design.

]]> By: daMamma http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-37294 daMamma Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:25:34 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-37294 When I'd first heard of these crude oil storage tanks, I thought to myself: "They got what? Where? Are they stupid or something?" (admittedly I have not researched this) I am curious just who is the brilliant soul that thought putting millions of gallons of crude at the base of an active volcano was a really good idea in the first place? My second question is this: Once Redoubt settles down, as most volcanoes usually do, are they going to put the crude back at the base of an active, living volcano? When I’d first heard of these crude oil storage tanks, I thought to myself: “They got what? Where? Are they stupid or something?”

(admittedly I have not researched this)
I am curious just who is the brilliant soul that thought putting millions of gallons of crude at the base of an active volcano was a really good idea in the first place? My second question is this: Once Redoubt settles down, as most volcanoes usually do, are they going to put the crude back at the base of an active, living volcano?

]]> By: Mount Redoubt Volcano News http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-36804 Mount Redoubt Volcano News Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:37:43 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-36804 Seems crazy to store oil that close to an active volcano! Seems crazy to store oil that close to an active volcano!

]]> By: DuckDriver http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-36751 DuckDriver Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:06:02 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-36751 I feel strange giving a "good on ya mate" for doing what should have been done in the first place but what the heck! We are living in strange times indeed. Hello Chevron? You might want to rethink the location of your tank farm. Erupting volcanoes are usually a bad thing. Just sayin'. DD I feel strange giving a “good on ya mate” for doing what should have been done
in the first place but what the heck! We are living in strange times indeed.

Hello Chevron? You might want to rethink the location of your tank farm.
Erupting volcanoes are usually a bad thing. Just sayin’.

DD

]]> By: crystalwolf aka caligrl http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-36686 crystalwolf aka caligrl Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:28:26 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-36686 honestyinGovNo Gravatar Says: April 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 PM caligrl…. thanks for the KTUU link. I browsed some of the stories there. One points out the 6 blunders GINO has has this week. Her response was she thought she had a ‘good ‘ week. Does she make and drink her own moonshine in the basement…? How many disasters or News reports does GINO need to make it a bad week. If somebody (unmarried )in the family got pregnant… it would still be a good week. BTW… is caligrl still in CA…?… ..I’m here in SacTown… with the Terminator ~~~~~~~~~~ ((waves Hi!}} Yes in Cali by SFO... I think she's on worse than moonshine! JMO of course :) honestyinGovNo Gravatar Says:
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 PM

caligrl…. thanks for the KTUU link. I browsed some of the stories there.

One points out the 6 blunders GINO has has this week.
Her response was she thought she had a ‘good ‘ week. Does she make and drink her own moonshine in the basement…? How many disasters or News reports does GINO need to make it a bad week.
If somebody (unmarried )in the family got pregnant… it would still be a good week.

BTW… is caligrl still in CA…?… ..I’m here in SacTown… with the Terminator
~~~~~~~~~~
((waves Hi!}} Yes in Cali by SFO…
I think she’s on worse than moonshine! JMO of course :)

]]> By: ben in sf http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-36681 ben in sf Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:22:11 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-36681 The image at the top of AKM's post tells a lot about the physical setting. Zooming in on Google tells even more - any fool who's played with meandering rivulets enough to understand, on a small scale, the evolving nature of braided rivers, could see the stupidity of the tank farm location! It sits between the current channel and several old ones, which makes it higher ground, relatively speaking - It must be...5 or 10 feet above the river, or at least it was before the last load of debris. On www.mapper.acme.com's USGS maps you can see how close the tanks are to the river (just like in the photos). The image at the top of AKM’s post tells a lot about the physical setting. Zooming in on Google tells even more – any fool who’s played with meandering rivulets enough to understand, on a small scale, the evolving nature of braided rivers, could see the stupidity of the tank farm location! It sits between the current channel and several old ones, which makes it higher ground, relatively speaking – It must be…5 or 10 feet above the river, or at least it was before the last load of debris. On http://www.mapper.acme.com‘s USGS maps you can see how close the tanks are to the river (just like in the photos).

]]> By: The Right Reverend http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-36678 The Right Reverend Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:11:32 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-36678 I was about to relax until I saw Citykld's post... now I'm still in worry mode. Then I realized Palin will be there with Samaritan Purse, a batch of cookies, and a doting press team soon to make all the nastybad stuff go away! But seriously, better to be informed than not. Thanks for the good work, Citykld! I was about to relax until I saw Citykld’s post… now I’m still in worry mode.

Then I realized Palin will be there with Samaritan Purse, a batch of cookies, and a doting press team soon to make all the nastybad stuff go away!

But seriously, better to be informed than not. Thanks for the good work, Citykld!

]]> By: lettersfromeurope http://www.themudflats.net/2009/04/02/drain-baby-drain-chevron-tanks-will-be-drained/#comment-36676 lettersfromeurope Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:09:26 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=2673#comment-36676 I see on CNN they are only going to drain 75% of the oil. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/03/alaska.volcano.oil.tanks/index.html . ? I see on CNN they are only going to drain 75% of the oil.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/03/alaska.volcano.oil.tanks/index.html .

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