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		<title>By: Lee323</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/05/08/missiles-good-energy-efficiency-bad/#comment-54344</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee323</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 05:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>57 Kath the Scrappy from Seattle Says: 
May 9th, 2009 at 7:33 PM
&quot;I believe the insulation they used was flame retardant treated and very finely, almost powdery, shredded newspaper (that’s what it looked like to me). So, it was a way to utilize/recycle waste while reducing megawatt usage.&quot;
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You remember correctly about that. I worked for a summer between college years on an insulation rig for my uncle. The insulation was called &quot;cellulose insulation&quot; and was derived from paper waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>57 Kath the Scrappy from Seattle Says:<br />
May 9th, 2009 at 7:33 PM<br />
&#8220;I believe the insulation they used was flame retardant treated and very finely, almost powdery, shredded newspaper (that’s what it looked like to me). So, it was a way to utilize/recycle waste while reducing megawatt usage.&#8221;<br />
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You remember correctly about that. I worked for a summer between college years on an insulation rig for my uncle. The insulation was called &#8220;cellulose insulation&#8221; and was derived from paper waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Alaska Pi</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/05/08/missiles-good-energy-efficiency-bad/#comment-54325</link>
		<dc:creator>Alaska Pi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@56 Kath the Scrappy from Seattle - 
Sounds like you got a real weather makeover! How cool  - or warm- or whatever makes sense! 
I have friends and family here in Juneau who were able to use the existing weatherization plan last year. It was great for them. The way it was set up was completely unworkable for the bush and it sounds like some re-tooling was necessary when it did get carted out to places like Nunam and Emmonak, etc . 

I don&#039;t know what the ghastly gov is really up to but I don&#039;t think she has a clue what weatherization help to existing structures means to so many folks nor to the state overall. It&#039;s all talking points or code words for foolish followers or some gobbeldygook with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@56 Kath the Scrappy from Seattle &#8211;<br />
Sounds like you got a real weather makeover! How cool  &#8211; or warm- or whatever makes sense!<br />
I have friends and family here in Juneau who were able to use the existing weatherization plan last year. It was great for them. The way it was set up was completely unworkable for the bush and it sounds like some re-tooling was necessary when it did get carted out to places like Nunam and Emmonak, etc . </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the ghastly gov is really up to but I don&#8217;t think she has a clue what weatherization help to existing structures means to so many folks nor to the state overall. It&#8217;s all talking points or code words for foolish followers or some gobbeldygook with her.</p>
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		<title>By: Kath the Scrappy from Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/05/08/missiles-good-energy-efficiency-bad/#comment-54318</link>
		<dc:creator>Kath the Scrappy from Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kath again:  &quot;I recall the insulation for the 2 story house took about 4 days (blowing it into plugholes drilled at intervals outside}. &quot;

I believe the insulation they used was flame retardant treated and very finely, almost powdery, shredded newspaper (that&#039;s what it looked like to me).  So, it was a way to utilize/recycle waste while reducing megawatt usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kath again:  &#8220;I recall the insulation for the 2 story house took about 4 days (blowing it into plugholes drilled at intervals outside}. &#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the insulation they used was flame retardant treated and very finely, almost powdery, shredded newspaper (that&#8217;s what it looked like to me).  So, it was a way to utilize/recycle waste while reducing megawatt usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Kath the Scrappy from Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/05/08/missiles-good-energy-efficiency-bad/#comment-54315</link>
		<dc:creator>Kath the Scrappy from Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 54 Alaska Pi, as I recall the insulation for the 2 story house took about 4 days (blowing it into plugholes drilled at intervals outside}.  The double paned window replacement  (every window) took about 3 days after the precise windows arrived.  We didn&#039;t even need to be home, since the contractors were bonded and contracting thru City of Seattle Govt.  

I DON&#039;T think it was mere coincidence, back when the Gov sent her 5 bureaucrats to Emmonak and the rural crisis was becoming obvious to the blogs &amp; press - the people of the villages said they had NEVER even heard of the recent state weatherization program!  It was heavily used in Anchorage &amp; Fairbanks, as I recall, but not publicized in the rural areas that had the most need.  

I think she&#039;s trying to run the First People off their land, myself.  Just like back in history when the Army supplied Native Americans with smallpox contaminated blankets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 54 Alaska Pi, as I recall the insulation for the 2 story house took about 4 days (blowing it into plugholes drilled at intervals outside}.  The double paned window replacement  (every window) took about 3 days after the precise windows arrived.  We didn&#8217;t even need to be home, since the contractors were bonded and contracting thru City of Seattle Govt.  </p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T think it was mere coincidence, back when the Gov sent her 5 bureaucrats to Emmonak and the rural crisis was becoming obvious to the blogs &amp; press &#8211; the people of the villages said they had NEVER even heard of the recent state weatherization program!  It was heavily used in Anchorage &amp; Fairbanks, as I recall, but not publicized in the rural areas that had the most need.  </p>
<p>I think she&#8217;s trying to run the First People off their land, myself.  Just like back in history when the Army supplied Native Americans with smallpox contaminated blankets.</p>
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		<title>By: Kath the Scrappy from Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/05/08/missiles-good-energy-efficiency-bad/#comment-54307</link>
		<dc:creator>Kath the Scrappy from Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee323 @ 53.  Thx for the good giggle!  I think you struck paydirt with that post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee323 @ 53.  Thx for the good giggle!  I think you struck paydirt with that post.</p>
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		<title>By: Alaska Pi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alaska Pi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor ole ghastly gov...I&#039;m beginning to think the  term for her is implicit in &quot;nega-neurons&#039;...

When OPEC ratcheted up the price of oil  so many years ago I&#039;ve forgotten which year in the 70s it was,  we saw it as patriotic and sensible to work on energy efficiency, weatherization, and alternative energy. 
We vowed not to allow foreign economic interests  to have the effect on us which rippled through our whole economy when oil prices jumped so much...
We did manage to make some headway but it didn&#039;t take too many years before  things leveled out, we adjusted, and we forgot.
 
WE ratcheted up our use of energy all over again and lapsed into near unconsciousness in terms of dealing with how best to supply power needs outside the oil-paradigm... and blam, we got hit last year with powerful incentives to remember our promise to ourselves of so many years ago... 
 
This time it wasn&#039;t foreign economic interests but the need to adjust firmly in favor of reduction- &quot;nega watts&quot;- is just as obvious. 

Lee 323- i think your &#039;codes&quot; are more fun but don&#039;t think the ghastly gov is capable of that much encoding...
 
Fussing that  the building code requirement is onerous is disingenuous or just plain dumb...
Keeps sounding to me like  the gov is playing on the keep-the-gubbamint-outta-my-house-building-code sentiment a lot of folks have here. 
If so- fess up gov. 
 
Means you are just playing on the big -government-bad , small-government-good boardgame ...
 Doesn&#039;t mean you are actually WEIGHING the advantages weatherization and codes which encourage new construction to reach for energy sense might bring to Alaska...
Just means you are running  the code-words for the small government-let-them-eat-cake bunch.
 
 Standing up for a poorly-performing missile project money for small government ,big defense reasons is simply foolish. America   already did this once in recent memory. Our  been-there-done-that thing with Star Wars defense dollars was supposed to have been a call to better monitor actual performance of such projects... short memories again, aided by the sedative the nice dollars provide? 
 
 
Didn&#039;t vote for the nega neuron queen, never would. 
Sure hoping a broader group of my neighbors are doing the nega-math the gov is spouting here and coming up with the same imaginary numbers I see...
We can&#039;t do this foolishness for too much longer.
Too many things need attending to in this state...
And gov- 
why in the world send energy audit/weatherization specialists to the bush when it&#039;s cold this winter and folks are ticked at you- and deny funding such programs when folks are warmer and focussed on getting ready to fish and farm ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor ole ghastly gov&#8230;I&#8217;m beginning to think the  term for her is implicit in &#8220;nega-neurons&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>When OPEC ratcheted up the price of oil  so many years ago I&#8217;ve forgotten which year in the 70s it was,  we saw it as patriotic and sensible to work on energy efficiency, weatherization, and alternative energy.<br />
We vowed not to allow foreign economic interests  to have the effect on us which rippled through our whole economy when oil prices jumped so much&#8230;<br />
We did manage to make some headway but it didn&#8217;t take too many years before  things leveled out, we adjusted, and we forgot.</p>
<p>WE ratcheted up our use of energy all over again and lapsed into near unconsciousness in terms of dealing with how best to supply power needs outside the oil-paradigm&#8230; and blam, we got hit last year with powerful incentives to remember our promise to ourselves of so many years ago&#8230; </p>
<p>This time it wasn&#8217;t foreign economic interests but the need to adjust firmly in favor of reduction- &#8220;nega watts&#8221;- is just as obvious. </p>
<p>Lee 323- i think your &#8216;codes&#8221; are more fun but don&#8217;t think the ghastly gov is capable of that much encoding&#8230;</p>
<p>Fussing that  the building code requirement is onerous is disingenuous or just plain dumb&#8230;<br />
Keeps sounding to me like  the gov is playing on the keep-the-gubbamint-outta-my-house-building-code sentiment a lot of folks have here.<br />
If so- fess up gov. </p>
<p>Means you are just playing on the big -government-bad , small-government-good boardgame &#8230;<br />
 Doesn&#8217;t mean you are actually WEIGHING the advantages weatherization and codes which encourage new construction to reach for energy sense might bring to Alaska&#8230;<br />
Just means you are running  the code-words for the small government-let-them-eat-cake bunch.</p>
<p> Standing up for a poorly-performing missile project money for small government ,big defense reasons is simply foolish. America   already did this once in recent memory. Our  been-there-done-that thing with Star Wars defense dollars was supposed to have been a call to better monitor actual performance of such projects&#8230; short memories again, aided by the sedative the nice dollars provide? </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t vote for the nega neuron queen, never would.<br />
Sure hoping a broader group of my neighbors are doing the nega-math the gov is spouting here and coming up with the same imaginary numbers I see&#8230;<br />
We can&#8217;t do this foolishness for too much longer.<br />
Too many things need attending to in this state&#8230;<br />
And gov-<br />
why in the world send energy audit/weatherization specialists to the bush when it&#8217;s cold this winter and folks are ticked at you- and deny funding such programs when folks are warmer and focussed on getting ready to fish and farm ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee323</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee323</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 02:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin assumes, and probably correctly so, that her base will only hear the &quot;code message&quot; that she&#039;s delivering and not dig deeper into the facts on these two issues (missile cuts and energy stim funds):

&quot;Missiles good&quot;.....code message: I&#039;m tough on defense and the security of this great country of ours. 

&quot;Energy stimulus allotment bad&quot;.....code message: I&#039;m tough on the Feds and won&#039;t be drawn into their nefarious plans for subverting a state&#039;s sovereignty with enforcement of &quot;their&quot; codes.

On second thought, substitute the word &quot;nefarious&quot; for &quot;evil.&quot; She and her followers wouldn&#039;t have any idea what nefarious means....and &quot;evil&quot; is a good religious code word with scary connotations evocative of hell in a handbasket, the Anti-Christ, and Satan, himself.....signed, sealed, and delivered with abundant fear, paranoia, and outrage towards the Obama administration.

On third thought, just replace the code message with: &quot;I&#039;m not scared of the Feds and I won&#039;t take part in their evil plans to overthrow me as president and religious leader of my flock of musk oxen under the Great North Star. A mighty gaggle of angels with flaming swords guards my back as I stare fearlessly into the jaws of the beast. Pray for me and send money, preferably large bills, to the Alaska Fun Times Trust.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin assumes, and probably correctly so, that her base will only hear the &#8220;code message&#8221; that she&#8217;s delivering and not dig deeper into the facts on these two issues (missile cuts and energy stim funds):</p>
<p>&#8220;Missiles good&#8221;&#8230;..code message: I&#8217;m tough on defense and the security of this great country of ours. </p>
<p>&#8220;Energy stimulus allotment bad&#8221;&#8230;..code message: I&#8217;m tough on the Feds and won&#8217;t be drawn into their nefarious plans for subverting a state&#8217;s sovereignty with enforcement of &#8220;their&#8221; codes.</p>
<p>On second thought, substitute the word &#8220;nefarious&#8221; for &#8220;evil.&#8221; She and her followers wouldn&#8217;t have any idea what nefarious means&#8230;.and &#8220;evil&#8221; is a good religious code word with scary connotations evocative of hell in a handbasket, the Anti-Christ, and Satan, himself&#8230;..signed, sealed, and delivered with abundant fear, paranoia, and outrage towards the Obama administration.</p>
<p>On third thought, just replace the code message with: &#8220;I&#8217;m not scared of the Feds and I won&#8217;t take part in their evil plans to overthrow me as president and religious leader of my flock of musk oxen under the Great North Star. A mighty gaggle of angels with flaming swords guards my back as I stare fearlessly into the jaws of the beast. Pray for me and send money, preferably large bills, to the Alaska Fun Times Trust.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: clydedog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, energy efficient programs are all bad.

- The programs create jobs installing the equipment.
- Hopefully we make the equipment creating more jobs.
- It reduces the need for oil without big expensive projects..
- The families, schools, hospitals etc. save money on energy bills.
- The technology currently exists.

Wait, that doesn&#039;t sound so bad.

But it may involve those pesky building codes and permits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, energy efficient programs are all bad.</p>
<p>- The programs create jobs installing the equipment.<br />
- Hopefully we make the equipment creating more jobs.<br />
- It reduces the need for oil without big expensive projects..<br />
- The families, schools, hospitals etc. save money on energy bills.<br />
- The technology currently exists.</p>
<p>Wait, that doesn&#8217;t sound so bad.</p>
<p>But it may involve those pesky building codes and permits.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There could be no better investment in America than to invest in America becoming energy independent! We need to utilize everything in out power to reduce our dependence on foreign oil including using our own natural resources. Create cheap clean energy, new badly needed green jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.The high cost of fuel this past year seriously damaged our economy and society. The cost of fuel effects every facet of consumer goods from production to shipping costs. It costs the equivalent of 60 cents per gallon to charge and drive an electric car. If all gasoline cars, trucks, and SUV&#039;s instead had plug-in electric drive trains the amount of electricity needed to replace gasoline is about equal to the estimated wind energy potential of the state of North Dakota.We have so much available to us such as wind and solar. Let&#039;s spend some of those bail out billions and get busy harnessing this energy. Create cheap clean energy, badly needed new jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. What a win-win situation that would be for our nation at large! I just read  a really good new book out by Jeff Wilson called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence Now. http://www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com  Investing in energy independence would positively impact our economy and futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could be no better investment in America than to invest in America becoming energy independent! We need to utilize everything in out power to reduce our dependence on foreign oil including using our own natural resources. Create cheap clean energy, new badly needed green jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.The high cost of fuel this past year seriously damaged our economy and society. The cost of fuel effects every facet of consumer goods from production to shipping costs. It costs the equivalent of 60 cents per gallon to charge and drive an electric car. If all gasoline cars, trucks, and SUV&#8217;s instead had plug-in electric drive trains the amount of electricity needed to replace gasoline is about equal to the estimated wind energy potential of the state of North Dakota.We have so much available to us such as wind and solar. Let&#8217;s spend some of those bail out billions and get busy harnessing this energy. Create cheap clean energy, badly needed new jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. What a win-win situation that would be for our nation at large! I just read  a really good new book out by Jeff Wilson called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence Now. <a href="http://www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com">http://www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com</a>  Investing in energy independence would positively impact our economy and futures.</p>
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