Anchorage Assembly Meeting – Non-Discrimination Ordinance Testimony
You can stream the Assembly meeting live HERE.
More public testimony will be taken on the non-discrimination ordinance.
Chair Debbie Ossiander has stated that there are 250 people left to testify who signed up last week. 88 people were heard then. Each person has approximately 3 minutes to speak, but people were reminded that all must be heard before discussion among Assembly members can begin.
My understanding is that testimony on the non-discrimination ordinance will begin at 7pm Alaska time (8pm Pacific/11pm Eastern)
Feel free to live blog the event in the comments. I know many who enjoyed rereading your fabulous live blogging last time.
I will be Tweeting from the event.
My Twitter feed is: http://twitter.com/Mudflats
Melissa Green’s Twitter is: http://twitter.com/yksin
Live blogging from Alaska Commons at: http://alaskacommons.wordpress.com
UPDATE: Here is a letter that Pastor Jerry Prevo sent out to his followers. It answers the question I’ve been hearing from opponents of the ordinance who bat their eyes and say, “Why do they keep using the word ‘hate’ when they talk about us?” This is why.
**Please forward this to other righteous citizens of Anchorage.**
Dear ABT Email Family,
FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, CHURCHES, CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS, WE MUST STOP THIS NEW ORDINANCE IN ANCHORAGE.HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE MORAL LIFESTYLE.
IT IS DISEASED AND DEVIANT.HOMOSEXUALS ARE TRYING TO FORCE US TO APPROVE THEIR LIFESTYLE INSTEAD OF JUST ACCEPTING THEM. HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT BEING DEPRIVED OF JOBS, PLACES TO LIVE OR LOANS. THEY HOLD HIGH POLITICAL OFFICES, WELL-PAYING CORPORATE POSITIONS, AND ARE, AS A WHOLE, IN A HIGHER INCOME BRACKET.The liberals on the Anchorage Assembly are trying to pass an ordinance to give “special rights” to gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and of all things transgender perverts. Last week we surprised them with an overwhelming number of people there in opposition, but they do not believe we can sustain these numbers. They feel like we are a bunch of wimps when it comes to fighting for what is right. To make it even harder, they have scheduled, in addition to the Tuesday night meeting, as to make it even harder, they have scheduled, in addition to the Tuesday night meeting, a special Wednesday night meeting. I am calling off our regular church service Wednesday so we can overwhelm them again on Wednesday night. This is how important this issue is to defeat.
Below is some general information and BE SURE TO WEAR SOMETHING RED. (blue is their color) – Pastor PrevoGeneral Information: The public testimony concerning the proposed homosexual ordinance continues Tuesday and Wednesday nights. We need everyone to attend the Assembly meeting at the Lousacc Library. We need to fill up the Assembly Chambers with people wearing red shirts showing their opposition to the proposed ordinance. If you can arrive by 3 p.m., take a seat in the Assembly Chamber Hall. Bring something to eat or drink and a good book to read. Arriving early is important but coming when you can and being present, even outside, is just as important. We need to show the Assembly Members the voters of Anchorage will not tolerate this scourge.
Here we go again, discussion now scheduled for 7 pm Alaska time/ 11 pm Eastern.
Thank you AKM. I’ll round ‘em up.
How do you tune in to the stream and blog simultaneously?
I’m here!
Link is:
http://anchorageak.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2
open the link in a new tab or window, then you can listen and blog at the same time.
or use AKM’s link
califpat Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 4:59 PM
How do you tune in to the stream and blog simultaneously?
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You have to have enough bandwith too also. I, for one, do not. But I compensate for the that by stopping the telecast when there’s hate speech happening, and checking into Mudflats.
I am not very computer savvy, so what tab or window and how do I open it or them?
so sorry to be OT, Levi is on Larry King NOW and he is talking about “the joke!”
still no video – It opens to a June 9th session.
It’s the continuation from the June 9th meeting. So, the video is streaming live even though it looks like the date is wrong. Just checked the link and it seems to be working. AKM
Levi says the best way to make it all go away is to stop talking about it, hear that GINO?
califpat Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 4:59 PM
How do you tune in to the stream and blog simultaneously?
1) if your browser supports tabs, just open the sream in one tab and Mudflats in another;
2) if your browser doesn’t support tabs, just open up two browsers.
Hee, GoldieAZ doesn’t seem to like me too much. http://twitter.com/GoldieAZ/status/2199718529
they are talking about roof repairs for the library, yawn
Meanwhile, on Larry King – Kathy Griffin is now on and saying she would like to make fun of all Palins, “even the infant.” Oy Vey.
Is ANYONE getting tonight’s video? I am only getting video of a previous meeting.
13 Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 5:16 PM
they are talking about roof repairs for the library, yawn
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Lori Lori…….you don’t want the kids reading soggy books , do ya ??
thanks AKM, I see red shirts in front rows now, they must have arrived earlier this time.
Thanks all you Mudpups for your help. I was looking for those tabs and windows and my grandson came by and said, “let me show you Grandma”, and I was so surprised that it was so simple. Duh! On me. But I am streaming and able to blog at the same time. Yea!!
OT but it seems Brian the Moose’s NY Cousin was checking out the tracks today
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31387386#31387386
austin, they allow books? surprised red shirts are not burning them while they wait.
Good going Calif. Pat! It is always easier to show it than to try to explain it in writing.
OT, and very sorry, guys. redwoodmuse’s SIL is having surgery tonight and it may not turn out well. She needs support. She is on the forum.
Meanwhile, on Larry King – Kathy Griffin is now on and saying she would like to make fun of all Palins, “even the infant.” Oy Vey.
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1) Oh yeah, the real fun is yet to come from this blunder!
2) Levi for Governor?
3) Lori, agreed. Wet damages, burning destroys the evil with. Must burn!
no one wants to speak about labor contract or ANYTHING, because goodness knows, they must hate on the gays and to Hell with anything else.
califpat Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I am not very computer savvy, so what tab or window and how do I open it or them?
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What I do is right click the mouse on the link(s), one at a time of course, and click on “open new tab” you will have as many sites as you want open that you can go back and forth to by left clicking them individually …
hope that makes sense
thanks TBNT – I will go to forum/Redwoodmoose and be back later.
severe thunderstorm still here (1/2 inch of rain in less than five minutes and it’s still pouring down). Lots of thunder and lightning, high winds….
hopefully it will be passed by the time the public comment starts
I do not see redwoodmoose on forum, does she use a different name there?
be careful justafarmer. are you supposed to turn off electronics? my nephew was on computer during storn – his computer burned up in front of him.
You betcha Lori in Lon Angeles!
Sorry, that’s Lori in Los Angeles.
chris birch, the one party of “no”
crap, tornado on the ground five miles away from me…
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
that zzzzz as not at you farmer! it was at the committee
I’m shutting down adnd unplugging stuff for a while. Hope to see everyone later!
farmer, grab toto and get the heck in the basement.
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Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I do not see redwoodmoose on forum, does she use a different name there?
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Lori, it is redwoodmuse, not redwoodmoose…
I’m actually switching between liveblogging at http://www.henkimaa.com/ and doing twitter at http://twitter.com/yksin on my iPod Touch — in order to conserve laptop battery power. I am sure to testify tonight. See http://www.henkimaa.com/identity/ for the reports about which I will be testifying.
Oy re the Prevo letter. Apparently those “special rights” the gays want include the right to actually speak and write English correctly.
Keep up the good work!
I don’t see it on the agenda, unless it is under “unfinished business.” Does anyone know?
My last post didn’t pass spam filters because I had too many links. See my website, linked on my name, for where I’m liveblogging. I’m switching off between there and my twitter feed — I’m yksin — using my iPod Touch to conserve battery power. check out also the other liveblogs linked in my own liveblog — Heather James & John Aronno are sitting right next to me & are great allies, & obervant bloggers. John also has posted two sets of transcripts from last weeks testimony. That’ll keep you occupied until tonight’s testimony begins.
did you read thee update on this post- explicit hate letter from prevo the pervert reverend.
37 Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 5:38 PM
farmer, grab toto and get the heck in the basement.
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If no basement……..in the bathtub with mattress or lots of blankets covering you and toto.
now we have re-zoning talk, at least someone is concerned about something
NO on the rezone on Muldoon Rd. It’s gonna be a titty bar.
http://alaskacommons.wordpress.com/
so far at the library.
OMG just read the update Prevo letter to “THE RIGHTOUS!” He is something from the dark ages.
Prevo does not care about the titty bar?
I.m so glad AKM got a hold of such a letter, got to buzz it up.
Prevo told them to bring a book to read, he must be slipping – did not ORDER THEM to bring the bible to read? Oops, maybe if they actually read it, they would see how Jesus really behaved and what he actually taught – love and tolerance.
48 Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Prevo does not care about the titty bar?
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Oh – it’s perfect for him……a place to troll AND protest. How diabolically perfect is that ??
Prevo: “We need to show the Assembly Members the voters of Anchorage will not tolerate this scourge.” Won’t tolerate? Won’t go with the rule of law if not in their favor? Are these people armed?
I’m still wondering why all these NON-Anchorage folks think their opinion matters for an ANCHORAGE ordinance? Gah.
If they have enough people to testify, the discussion and vote will be postponed again…and again…and again. Which might be their strategy. At some point, the city council needs to put its collective foot down and say only Anchorage voters can testify.
Lori in Los Angeles,
“maybe if they actually read it”
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They only read the cherry picked cliff notes you use in school!!
OmegaMom yes, I agree. Surprised they allowed testimony from the Valley Fundies, but I still think they do more to help the cause than hurt it.
MelGreen, I look forward to your testimony and appreciate your dedication.
Does anyone know if they bussed the kids in again? I just read Prevo’s letter and am astounded at how backassward and hateful this guy (and probably his followers) is.
I clicked on the link. Is this live or last weeks? I’m confused.
someone should make a motion AGAIN to allow only Anchorage residents to testify. It would be priceless to see the red shirts shown the door.
seattle, it is LIVE ignore date on your screen
Anyone aware if AKM & everyone get seated? Shannyn? Gryphen? and not sure who else was able to attend.
dinner break GROAN
20 minute break – I will do same and hope to see you all later. ciao for now.
is justafarmer ok?
Dinner break, time for Mr. Birch to lobby more. Glad you made it in this week AKM!
Empowerment is a funny thing…. Never enlightens the RIGHT folks
My encouragement to ya’all from Texas.
There is no perversion in sexuality unless one party transgresses the other’s ability to choose for oneself.
All about choice and freedom to live.
Pastor Jerry Prevo probably will end up being revealed- as so many of his other self righteous bretheren, as being some sort of cheat, liar, or sex offender. All of them seem to eventually fail their flock.
Well, I’ll admit – this was fun. Here’s Prevo’s announcement – somewhat revised…
I’m back!
There were at least two tornadoes. I’m a severe weather spotter for NWS, so have been on the phone with them. They’ve given me an assignment to document storm damage (which apparent is really bad) when the sun comes up in the morning, so I won’t be able to stay up as late tonight as I did last week.
Last measurement on the rain gauge is 3/4 inch of rain in 35 minutes; that’s flash flood levels.
61 Canadian Neighbour Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Anyone aware if AKM & everyone get seated? Shannyn? Gryphen? and not sure who else was able to attend.
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Last week AKM mentioned being outside and took pictures of that. Not sure of the status this week.
Lori – remind me – did we start this early last week ?? And dinner……I’m sorry , I’ve had dinner and am well into my bottle of Little Penguin Chardonnay. Did it while posting. Can’t these people multi-task ??
Hahahah! I’m watching Greta and they’re showing the protestors at the Letterman studio. What a bunch of wackos! Reminds of of her rally people and the tea baggers. There is some lady going on and on about women. These kooks are really something.
I don’t get how Prevo’s freedom of religion is threatened, unless his religion involves doing wrong to others. Nobody has the “freedom” to force others to act or think or believe as they do or else be ostracized in society. What kind of freedom is that? No one has the right to exercise a “freedom” that requires we acknowledge them as superior and anyone else as inferior.
Prevo’s ego has outgrown his shell by several measures.
You know, I’ve been dead straight my whole life, but this “higher income bracket” concept is intriguing. Perhaps I should write for more details….
@Closet Mudpup: You rock! If anyone is asking for “special rights”, you have have made who it is abundantly clear.
strangelet,
I noticed the ‘higher income bracket’ mention — it was a headshake and a WTH
Earth to Prevo Pluto — Yo!
So, during the breaks will Prevo’s Pogrom troll the library looking for books to burn?
Closet Mudpup.
LOL!!!
mlaiuppa Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 6:26 PM
So, during the breaks will Prevo’s Pogrom troll the library looking for books to burn?
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Why look for books when there are so many human targets? (If there is a hell, Prevo’s peeps are going there. And that is as close as I have ever come to believing in heaven or hell.)
supper break OT that doesn’t involve tornadoes:
1) My dog Hogger is still limping but he managed to jump the backyard fence this morning, so he must be doing ok.
2) I have baby chickens!!! There are several different age batches, but I bring this up because it’s sorta peripherally relevant. There are three chicks who hatched out a couple of weeks ago and have two moms. The two hens shared the same nest the entire time, tag-teaming do to speak. Now that the babies have hatched, the two hens are very protective and don’t have a problem sharing mommy duties.
oh, and the two hens are different breeds. One is a dominicker and the other is an ancona.
@Justafarmer, glad you are back and safe. Hope the rest of your evening is calm!
justafarmer,
Great idea to throw Prevo over the edge. A pair of Mommy Chickens & the pair of male penquins!!!
Twitter: MudflatsSee giant sign that says “Jesus is Lord of Alaska.”
2 minutes ago from mobile web
I just jumped out of my skin when sound came on as I have it minimized!!!
my thought exactly, CN!
and thanks, Ennealogic, for the positive vibes!
{{sniff sniff}} I haz a sad, GoldieAZ doesn’t like us here:
I looked, yup, a bottomfeeding knuckle dragging misogynist RT @SarahPalinLinks: #spw @GreatGrey GO AWAY! Mudflats is a cesspool of vitriol.
justafarmer, glad you are safe and your chickens are properly raised to be tolerant of differences (and are happilly nesting together) and willl raise their chicks the same way! Go happy chicks!
Here we go, all hands on deck! this guy prays for the city, he is a pastor. first batter up.
Canadian Neighbour Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Twitter: MudflatsSee giant sign that says “Jesus is Lord of Alaska.”
Yea, but a Chinook is still the King.
Great revision Closet Mudpup.
Justafarmer- Good your back and safe, interesting assignment.
“recover from sexual disfunction??” he says his church has thousands of members? now I know how GINO got elected.
where.do.they.come.from.
GreatGrey Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 6:39 PM
{{sniff sniff}} I haz a sad, GoldieAZ doesn’t like us here:
I looked, yup, a bottomfeeding knuckle dragging misogynist RT @SarahPalinLinks: #spw @GreatGrey GO AWAY! Mudflats is a cesspool of vitriol.
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keep tweeting the twit and don’t forget to mention the chickens and penguins who raise their families to love, not hate /sanctimonious How ’bout them great grey owls?
Well – here we go………the more ass kissing at the beginning tells you where we are going….next.
welcome back just a farmer
ROTFL! good one GreatGrey!
I’m going to be really OT here, but I just heard something on the news that will be interest to the person who wrote about the skunks that were damaging property. The magic word is Skunk Whisperer, and that’s all you have to google to read about this Oklahoma Critter service. In addition to Oklahoma, they serve accounts around the country and may be able to offer a reference in the correct state.
here is a Christian wife and mother. not a red shirt. does not wwant to tell her children that it is legal to discriminate in anchorage because of who loves each other. SHE IS GOOD.
this lady is good
yea, woman person
justafarmer – did you have actual tornados. We did not have that in Central KY, at least , not this time. Had lots of wind and rain. Our poor adopted golden has spent most of his time in the bathtub. Anyway, have an 8 EST meeting so will have to go to bed soon and catch up later.
“Mudflats admin WfAK converting a red shirt. Go WfAK!”
from Twitter. WFAK?
red shirt now, says it is IMMORAL. perverted he says. deadly, incurable diseases too. throw in the whole enchilada dickhead.
i just need to see one afro american who is for this ordinance
Ran into a few friends, and saw a multitude of thankful smiles from people, like us, who had been inside the assembly meeting, and haven’t been allowed much reason for celebrating. Clearly we’re missing a party.
On each side of the healthy sized protest line there was a small group of red shirted antis, that looked a bit dejected and didn’t want to admit that the music, bubbles, and all around good vibes outside were allegedly against everything they stood for.
from http://alaskacommons.wordpress.com/
“They can change all the time.”
Somebody see the light switch to turn it on and off
“won’t support persecution, but still……. deviant and not normal behavior”
oh, only gays are into sado-masochism
sado-machochism! sex with boys! women in prison are lesbians! NOT NORMAL. she cut him off, time is up thank God
hi weaver, yup at least two tornadoes, but I have to go out at crack of dawn and get photo evidence for NWS for the one closest to me.
this guy is talkin’ real fast……..nervous ?? suppressed ?? Oh and full of sh*t too.
an army man says …
doesn’t want his apts rented to homos
It’s surgery time for Brooklyn in CA ……
keep tweeting the twit and don’t forget to mention the chickens and penguins who raise their families to love, not hate /sanctimonious How ’bout them great grey owls?
I did!
RT @GoldieAZ: Stop misogyny against ALL women, not just the 1 you favor politically, ALL women respected or no woman is! // even the gaiis?
BTW, when I see one of the Prevocites read from a laptop, I automatically wonder who wrote their spiel for them.
And hey, Prevo said in his letter that gaiis have generally higher income, so letting em your neighborhood would raise property values, wouldn’t it?
this is soooooo difficult to listen to.
i don’t know how long i’ll be able to hang in here.
here is a landlord. he rents to hetrosexual couples, militay – and they will not rent if he has a homosexual in the building…he should have a right to discriminate based on his morality. he kindly allows females and people of color, how big of him.
@ Fawnskin: It appears that we are far and in between up North. Just maybe we have the Palin syndrome.
1st speaker – pastor, saying this ordinance needs to be delayed to see if it is needed
2nd speaker – pregnant woman, self-described christian, for the ordinance, she will have no trouble telling her children that it is okay if other people do not act/believe as they do
3rd speaker – very fast speaking red shirt talking about how deviant homosexuals are, quoting a slew of very questionable statistics about disease, crime, etc..
4th speaker – retired us army colonel, landlord, says he’s worried about his tenants who might not want to live next door to homosexuals, conflating them with bad credit risks, drug users, unmarried couples, doesn’t want to be sued for not renting to ‘objectionable’ people
Forever Anonymous Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 6:47 PM
“Mudflats admin WfAK converting a red shirt. Go WfAK!”
from Twitter. WFAK
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WFAK = Writing From Alaska Blog on sidebar, I think.
military man……..reading off lap top…….. uptight …….take a hike…..judgemental peckerhead……..can he even take a normal poop ??…….he is way uptight
they are applauding him loudly, GOOD GRIEF
ennea…
wonderful recap
and they are giving him extra time. wtf.
now they are sexual pedophiles. me: most pedophiles are not gay!
necrophilliacs???
Necrophillia? Is this a laundry list of Baptist fantasy land?
equating pedophiles with homosexuals…this is sick
dear god, 4th speaker saying it’s a slippery street – pedophiles and necrophiliacs and beastiality are all just “sexual orientations”
people having sex with donkeys, he is on a roll. moron.
Ok, when did this become a speed reading contest?
WTF……..necrophelia……..donkeys……..this guy is outta his mind !!
None of those things are sexual “orientation” – they are paraphelias.
i’m gonna start giving stars (1-5) to my favorite speakers…
this brave women gets:
5
not asking for special rights, asking for equal rights re this speaker. all deserve dignity and respect. amen.
this is completely grossssssss.
I’ll have to take a shower later.
yeeech
so many gold stars for elizabeth brant
she just called 3 names, second one is melissa s. green, likely our mel green, heads up.
@Fawnskin: I agree, definitely a five.
uh oh…
this guy is wearing red under black but…..
oh, yeah.
a jew calling out the christians
This guy gets a 5 too.
is this guy a lawyer? he is well-spoken and cites court cases – he says “moral integrity” is NOT a basis for discrimination. he gets a 5+ from me.
definately a five.
infact, he gets two fives
yes fawnskin, good catch.
Ezekiel is so cute on the inside, I will be surprised if he does not get mobbed by the ladies (or perhaps the men, if that is what he is into).
someone on panel called him very impressive! : )
oh, he’s quoting the alaska constitution…
lovely
Just jumped on. Ezekiel rocks!
5th speaker – for the ordinance
6th speaker – red shirt, but for the ordinance – quoting court case requiring compelling state interest.. referring to state constitution, saying ‘moral integrity’ is not just cause for rejecting equal rights and reminding about necessity to protect minorities
@GeatGrey: I concur.
a transgender person…i believe
Good, rational presentation by the Jewish speaker — even cites case law to support his view. Strong testimony.
20 hours of testimony ahead says chairwoman. wow. and if more redshirts from Valley sign up tomorrow, what then? this could go on for months.
“people want in america what they were promised”
what a tough life this woman has…
and i give her 5 stars and a big hug
he didn’t have a pure red shirt but a striped red certainly expresses his feelings.
he is sooooo wrong…this country wasn’t founded on religious grounds
this one up is a pompous ass. so concerned for the christian community, religion is the prerequisite for our Constitution – he is so sure of himself and he is SO WRONG! he does not even understand our constitution at all. he is whining now, a drama king………is he for real?
sorry power blipped and I lost my livestream (too many users).
Will try again in a little while
7th speaker – transgender, provided documentation of her personal discrimination, saying it is not a choice to be transgender, seems to have support from some VA staff
8th speaker – another pastor (good grief how many churches are in anchorage?) talking about moral fiber talk embedded in US founding documents, quoting something which is too bad. “Sexual preference” can never compare with religion as something to be protected. Good god.
he is all to real, lori
This guy, Timothy Davis, gives so much importance to religion. Thank God they cut him off!
Believe as I believe or you are dead wrong!
107 fawnskin mudpuppy Says: June 16th, 2009 at 6:51 PM
an army man says …
doesn’t want his apts rented to homos
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Someone ought to check and see if any of his apts are Section 8… that would put him under the federal laws and jurisdiction.
the chairwoman says, “i appreciate it” after the last man spoke his hatred.
I don’t, in a quick search, see “moral integrity” linked with discrimination as legal rulings (in the US). But it’s definitely a strong “academic” argument.
weird, I’ve got it back…
good on panel member! points out separation of church and state – got booed by redshirts for pointing out the facts.
He sees separation of church and state as a one way avenue?
Govt can’t do anything to churches, but churches can dork with govt?
Well then….
justafarmer…the same thing is happening to me. The livestream keeps going out. I livestream stuff all the time and never have these problems.
I’m giving up and happily reading the commentary our fellow mudflatters are providing. Thanks everyone! Keep it coming.
8th speaker called back, saying that “separation of church and state is not part of the Constitution” – he says it prevents state from instituting religion but doesn’t prevent religion from influencing state.
is this mel?
I agree Lori as to panel member.
Nice to see how some have come totally prepared to speak — and copies, CD’s.
Melissa Green talks about statistics (huge) of discrimination. (while wearing what looks like a prisoner’s shirt). She asks “how much discrimination is tolerable?”
Another 5 and well presented and represented.
5 stars for ms green and 5 stars for the assembly member who is questioning her
9th speaker – speaking to reported discrimination, giving numbers from some report; says studies have already been done, no further task force needed
10th – personal testimony about discrimination in employment due to being homosexual
oh my! t-shirts!
71 Canadian Neighbour Says: June 16th, 2009 at 6:24 PM
strangelet,
I noticed the ‘higher income bracket’ mention — it was a headshake and a WTH Earth to Prevo Pluto — Yo!
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Methinks this prevo dude is more interested in Uranus than in Pluto… surprised austin didn’t catch that. must be distracted by chipmunks… yeah, that’s it! a chipmunk in a red t-shirt!
this speaker wore a t-shirt thaat was not acceptable but another co-worker wore a t-shirt that said something about big breasts. jeez..
this is a sad story, and I believe her, she is credible
Barbara Seefer (sp?) talks about discrimination on her job and once she wore a t-shirt about her orientation, she was fired. They didn’t like her t-shirt that related to her sexual orientation. Someone else at work wore a t-shirt about breast implants. No issue with that.
For those of youse with streaming problems… try emptying your cache… or clear your history of sites visited. helps me when I am able to connect.
next speaker, Anchorage resident and former state trooper
That was definitely discrimination against the lady who wore the “Pride” T-shirt.
oh, he’s a tool…
soon as he mentioned ACLU…
oh and now he mentions bathrooms…
a bigot for sure…
and he’s wearing a yellow shirt…
this guy says there is no problem in anchorage – how can he think that after hearing the landlord admit he ill not rent to gay people? now he says men went into bathroom and drove a young woman out. uh huh, right. and the gays talk about their sexual escapades. he did not make sense basically.
The Assembly president ought to step in and tell people that calling homosexuals perverts and all that garbage amounts to unacceptable hate speech. Enough of that crap already.
justafarmer Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 7:22 PM
oh, he’s a tool…
His ratchet wrench only spins one way.
hey, he’s got a pretty red shirt
he likes gays but doesn’t want the ordinance?
anyhow… letterman is on and I wanna see what he’s got to say… much as I want to show my support for the right way to be on 64, it’s depressing to read how mat-su and anchorage is filled with such anti-people aholes.
nite, peeps. keep up the good fight. do not go gently into that good night.
sauerkraut, any idea how to clear the cache on a Mac?
My PC blew up last week and I haven’t got the new PC in place, so I’m on the MacMini tonight.
Jim is a high 5. Clap, clap, clap. Yea!!
11th – former ak state trooper, prosecutor, thinks majority will be hurt if ordinance is passed (takes a dig at the ACLU) .. weak
12th – red shirt, says gays already have rights that the ordinance seeks to give – asks if members of ‘faith community’ should be forced to give rights to gays individually because they can always find someone somewhere to take care of whatever they need
another landlord up – says that christains should not be forced to violate their religious beliefs. says this is a solution in search of a problem. ungly, uneccessary battle says latest red shirt.
oooh Master Sergeant!
there seem to be quite a few transgender ex service men in anchorage.
i wonder what the statistics are.
now up: post op transexual with lots of credentials in the community. very good speaker.
oh, this is good!
Rachael Renin. Very credible transexual. Explains how difficult it is to choose a restroom. “Wash my hands and get out.” And, she is a Christian.
she was lovely and gets 5 stars also too
and brought up a very pertinent point: trans have to live a year in the new gender before the op. And that includes bathrooms.
this one is kissing up to panel, watch out.
he has to be an attorney
what’s the yellow button he’s wearing?
The Lady with the t-shirt who lost her job — I just wanted to give her a hug. I’m actually crying I feel so bad for her. She’s feeling totally defeated.
and why is he wearing his tie outside of his suitcoat?
ordianance will restrict right of churches – NOT TRUE says this speaker.
good points. he is ACLU I believe. he is doing good job.
5 stars for the aclu person (that is who he is right?)
13 – veteran, transgender, personal story about changing sex, well spoken, saying the uproar the ordinance has created is plenty of evidence that the ordinance is needed
14 – ACLU director wearing yellow badge (like others in favor), gave package to clerk of 4 cases where churches complain their rights have been taken away; offers free of charge representation to any religious who can make the case that their rights have been infringed as a result of the ordinance
jimmy stewart resurrects
Jimmy Stewart…a great name, but he doesn’t live up to the name.
this fellow just wants homosexuals to go away and be quiet.
stay under their rocks.
The ordinance isn’t bad — HE IS
#4 who was given more time? He hung himself. Bringing in necrophilia and beastiality just put him in the whacko nutjob category.
Black shirt opposes ordinance just cause he does, nothing specific. Oh, says its divisive.
opposes ordiance – will cause division, will discriminate against religious rights – bad legislation -says there is another route to take insteadof having a law, can just work together as leaders – says it is offending too many people. TOO BAD SAYS ME – ever try to just not be ‘offended?”
oooh redshirt: and she’s a coach…
This whole kids in the bathroom story smells of something not good, I’m thinking bad fiction.
Crystal Dyson. Her 2 daughters in the bathroom when 2 guys were in the bathroom and they came out and complained. Why wasn’t she with her girls? I don’t get that.
Jimmy S. What is there to sit down and talk about when you have already made up your mind that sexual orientation is a “choice” and 64 should be slapped down.
i am sad again.
oooh, a personal story about her daughters in a bathroom but just HER word…
[note - room has a lot of red in it now]
15 – words of doom and bad things to come if the ordinance goes into effect, talks about “lifestyle choice”
16 – another red shirt, her two daughters in bathroom at last meeting ran into two “guys” who were females (transgendered) and security wouldn’t do anything about it
uh oh – this lady says it was her daughters in the bathroom afraid of men in there dressed as women……..men in bathrooms……well, why does everyone think this law will alllow men in omen’s bathrooms? dumbos.
yes, the bathroom story seems very convenient.
@Great Grey: I’m thinking flat out blatant lie!!
Crystal Dyson. Her 2 daughters in the bathroom when 2 guys were in the bathroom and they came out and complained. Why wasn’t she with her girls? I don’t get that.
It doesn’t ring true, especially the part about contacting security and they did nothing. There are already laws about that kind of activity, and you can bet security was on alert for some Prevocite to do that to make Jerry’s point.
i think that this fellow is sincere…
if he does not know enough about this ordinance, WHY doesn’t he read it? is it not clear?? I am serious here, not being sarcastic.
ok he has read it, has legit questions
i like the yellow shirt.
he is really really trying to do the right thing as he sees it.
Kenneth Peterson. He’s kinda funny. He wants to protect the traditional family and “constitutional rights” of religious groups. The ordinance has consequences. Don’t approve it yet, unless consequences can be avoided. He’s on the fence.
It’s a fact that not all women look like that Hollywood Beauty — did she look to actually know they were men in bathroom. Her word – her story – her probably BS
how did the girls KNOW they were men dressed as women and where was MOM?
I’m not snarking (much) but Mom looked a lot like the master sergeant. So I can also make a snap judgment based on looks?
fanskin, he is against this ordiance as written – but he does seem sincere and NOT a bigot
but he may be strething it here to say that they will have to teach homosexuality in schools – this is not true – they did this to us re prop 8 and it is just not true
yes, this guy is definitely trying to be moderate, middle of the road, open to discussion.
a purple shirt…hmmm..how to typecast…
I kinda liked him.
good point just a farmer……I suspect her story – make the little girls testify that it happened, ha.
she said a security guard told her there was nothing he could do – ok, bring on that security guard to collaborate her story. not that the good christian lady would lie.
so very well spoken is this fellow…
beautiful stars for him.
Brian Clark. speaks to tolerance. Quotes to George Washington. The ideal of American values of his quotes. Principles of equality must apply to all. (citing to slavery).
17 – telling us how God looks on us… :p … does not object to ordinance as long as it doesn’t bring detrimental consequences to others, so please don’t pass it until the consequences can be understood; says he has half his comments for, and half against
18 – in support, says it’s not too soon to deal with the issue; talking about tolerance in a good quote by GWashington; talking about emancipation of blacks. women, how long it took
yup Lori. And again, her physical appearance, where did she get off talking about alleged men dressed as women? I feel safe saying that because I’m also “larger than life” in my old age.
Ken should have made some notes
see the fear oozing from this red shirt guy? sad really.
Ken got fired for being discriminatory, so he’s obviously against it. LOL
good lordie…red shirt and racing stripes on his sleeves….
ok.
just how was this fellow discriminated against in his last job?
Ken’s red sweater was a dead give away as to where he stood.
and who gave him that awful red jacket?
Must go to bed. Keep liveblogging, my loves. I will catch up in the morning. Hoping for something explosive re: the assault last week outside the chambers…Peace and love to all, even the bigots…they will need it.
this red shirt is one confused puppy.
again, does he have physical evidence he was “put on probation” and “fired” for religious convictions?
Oh my! he was fired from a SECOND job for religious emails????
YIKES!!!!
ok.
just how was this fellow discriminated against in his last job?
Cause his employer wouldn’t tolerate his anti-gay beliefs.
this fellow is really a weirdo.
a bit deranged me thinks.
Mr Anderson — wants his “right” to discriminate on the basis of his religious beliefs protected. Has been fired once … twice … hasn’t learned from either experience.
oh, goody.
a unitarian.
love me some unitarians
I think maybe he should have written it out beforehand…
go Unitarian Universal – yaay
She’s reading a letter from her pastor, right? Very impressive, supportive.
19 – red shirt against the wording “sexual orientation” – was on probation/fired from last job because of his alleged aversion to someone else’s sexual orientation due to his strongly held religious beliefs; fired from someplace else because of his religious e-mail signature
20 – in support, reading a letter from a unitarian church minister about truth of discrimination and the falsehood of the notion that people choose to be gay, etc
The Unitarian is definitely a five. Applause!!!
Lutherans, Garrison Keilor would be proud.
ok, this is weird, I just got a message at the top of the Mudflats page that says “Additional plugins are required to display all media on this page”.
Not gonna click on “install missing plugins” tonight…
here we go, an evangelical bishop – but he favors the ordinance ith some revisions – me surprised. when I hear evangelical, I do not usually think tolerance. ummmm.
Could red shirt have been fired for be unqualified?
lol, GreatGrey! Garrison Keilor, indeed!
justafarmer, your hairplugs are falling out? me confused.
what meeting “last night” is he talking about?
Michael Keyes. Wants some changes to the amendment. Protection is essential. Those opposed are driven by fear. It is just about justice and equality, not about religion. People are missing the context of protected classes.
Lori, same here. “an issue of justice and equality…”
21 – from Evangelical Lutheran church, in favor with modifications, says must protect gay and lesbian people; says fear and righteousness are driving forces against it; was talked down to by other ‘christians’ last meeting; ordinance is issue only of justice and equality; another well-spoken man of reason.
Smart Lutheran says language in ordiance needs to be cleaned up – he is making good points.
Lori, wish I could afford hairplugs…
I’m just a poor eastern Kentucky dirtfarmer who is heading into my second decade of menopause and loosing my hair and getting wide no matter how much exercise I do…
sigh..
WOW—–all they need is Pastor Muthee to square the corners.
Michael Keyes — Lutheran minister(?) — in favor of Ordinance w/ amendments — Christians do not have monolithic view — Ordinance is about justice and equality — no special rights involved — Ordinance is essential to end prejudice and discrimination.
Keyes goes on. The ordinance is essential. Because of prejudice. Anchorage has no room for such discrimination.
back…….Michelle Pfeiffer on Letterman just came on and said she wasn’t sure if the people out front were for her or him.
passing too quickly???? quickly????? this has been going on for decades, miss stepford wife, fake tits. she reminds me of gino.
oooh, she used the “liberal” word!!!
those “liburls” “liburls, liburls, lubruls I tell ya!!!”
gawd save us from the scary libruls… humpf
and she wants documentation!
nan, great minds………..
Blondie mom was kinda smug while addressing and Palin winking at ACLU guy.
look at the red jacket on the man standing behind her. Call the fahionista cops!!!!
she is appalled, daughters in jeopardy, attack on 1st amendment rights – she IS the GINO
Hidden liberals who do not vote for the majority of the city. Whew, paranoia abounds! Concerned about men in drag going into restrooms puts her daughters at risk. An attack on her 1st amendment rights and freedom of religion. What a whack job!
[not everyone is stating where they are from but most say they are from anchorage]
22 – red shirt, suggests ordinance will greatly increase cost, calls ordinance liberal, takes a dig at ACLU, worried about impact on religious people and the businesses/organizations they run; talking about the “two men in drag” again in restroom, says it won’t benefit her at all, takes dig at Claman not being elected
red shirt woman saying it is gonna cost…….ACLU……automatic questions…….jeopardy for family……idiot
and he keeps flipping his papers
redshits whooping and hollerin for their kinfolk – they are gettin; riled up, this is their SEX – they are about to climax, and I hope it does not involve gunshots.
“if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
It IS broke!
double red shirt……..long memory and votes……move along hater…..
Go Barb Clark – she’s reading a letter from the UU church and speaking as co-chair of the West High GSA. She rocks!
Opponent next to me won’t shut up – keeps trying to read passages from his Bible to me during the testimony, so I’m missing most of it. Gotta change seats. Jerk.
Thanks for all the live-blogging here.
WTF??? He’s talking about military and ROTC?????
the blonde biddy wants documentation of the discrimination – I’d ask for documentation of the two guys in a restroom.
off to the Scotch bottle….BRB…
sorry – 2 guys in a *women’s* restroom
My mouth drops open in disbelief everytime I hear a read shirt. Having laws which started in mid 60′s, with some amendments even in mid 90′s and civil marriage countrywide in 2005 — I’m gobsmacked of what they say.
if you do not know what the law will be READ THE LAW, moron! these are the people that vote for palin – how many are there? ignorance abounds.
urinals??? in women’s bathrooms???
justafarmer – bring more glasses!
Former military guy afraid someone might watch him pee.
What the heck is this guy talking about the military? Doesn’t make any sense. Why are they so threatened by transsexuals? They aren’t interested in the same gender sexually. Weird.
23 – another red shirt, self-described consistent voter… “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” … open homosexuals are not allowed in military; ordinance very poorly written; “can any man put on a dress and go into a women’s bathroom?” blah blah, urinals, cross-dressing, stalking, public bathrooms, fear aaarghh!
Hey Debbie in the red shirt: Your daughters are in more danger of your thought processes! SP Junior!
he has a fixation with bathrooms
Oh for goodness sake. People go into the bathroom to pee! That’s it. What kind of perversion does Tom have that he assumes that others share his perversion.
I agree nan. I want that witness (security guard) – should not be hard to find who was on duty that day.
good thing I have Scotch…banging my head on the desktop after that last one…
they do seem obsessed with bathrooms, those red sh*ts (my new name for them).
passing a tot o Scotch to Nan ~~~~
overflow room is almost all red now – clapping at all the homophobia. hard to sit in here, surrounded by so many ignorant and arrogant people. toxic.
love this guy. Want to hug him
pass it around, justafarmer – purdy please?
fyi – the word sh*t and the word s e x are not allowed, post will go to the tubes, lol
Sigvuld Julionson (sp). Talks about the difficulty of being gay but is loved by God. Gays are good enough to be protected. More discrimination for being gay than being native. Need self dignity. Nice guy.
This washroom story must have been shared at Church. Unfortunately they didn’t figure out that too many of them were going to use the same falsehood.
we had a Jimmy Stewart and now there’s a Tom Jones coming up? wow!
hey, wasn’t he already on the other night????
justafarmer Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:02 PM
good thing I have Scotch…banging my head on the desktop after that last one…
I picked the wrong decade to sober up. If this doesn’t make me start drinking again nothing will
It’s Borat’s older brother drunk on cheap Vodka……
24 – blue shirt, personal recollections of discrimination as gay man, for healthy community need self-esteem (dignity), for 64
25 – red shirt, heavy slavic accent, conflating homosexuals with disease i think, his daughter was discriminated against because she didn’t want to work with gays– i think
another purple shirt. sadly a Russian accent that I’m having difficulty with
I thought there was a Jim Carry called too.
Sergio says homosexuals have more decease.
Sigvuld was articulate and heartfelt as he described the horrors he suffered as a gay young man.
OK, I’m not going to lie and say I’ve read all y’all’s posts but I’ve gotta say, this “gay” thing, I’m over it. I want to know where these idiots are tying their goats, ’cause I really do want to get their goat.
My cousin, way super smart, has her ph.d in zoology, is a college professor, drives 80 miles a day, 5 days a week, to a less than stellar position for her abilities, so that she can look after her Momma (88 years old, bedridden for the past 4 years). My precious, sacrificing cousin (when, exactly did sacrifice become a bad word?) believes that the greatest love she can give her Momma is to let her ‘live until she dies’ in her own bed, at her own time, in her own place (100 year old farmhouse) and she does this because she so loves her Momma so.
Oh, and by the way, if it matters, my cousin is ‘gayer than laughter’.
Please, dear God, protect me from those who use your Name to judge this sinner. Amen.
the purple shirt reminded me of something totally OT…I sent off my purple passion swap stuff today. One of the items was purple duck tape. Wish I could have it in person in Anchorage tonight for select speakers…
What is with all these Akns who openly discriminate against gays and want to be protected to do that? Waitress mentioned above and other guy who was fired from two jobs for bringing his religion into the workplace.
Two gay natives in a row. Interesting perspective on dual discrimination – both said gay issue was harder than Native.
austin, he wasn’t anywhere NEAR as silly as last week’s Borat twin, Sergei
Very articulate , good looking young man……..comes across very informed and calmly delivers………oh , is he gay……..so what.
Brenner Wilson (sp?) Difficulty of experiencing gay-bashing. His friend is in afganistan, and gay, and can be fired even after serving. Many people benefit from the services of gay people and are contributing members to the community. He talked about a study that found that 68% reported discrimination and 10-20% less income. Other stats of discrimination on the job and lesser percentage of income. Sounds like very compelling studies that he was citing to .
26 – gay eskimo, for ordinance, speaking to dual discrimination, mentions gay friend who is in afghanistan now in military; has studies supporting fact of LGBT discrimination in workplace
27 – taking someone else’s place, turned back, no substitutions
sarah will not be allowed to substitute
thankyou califpat, I just couldn’t understand what he was saying but he did indeed sound sincere.
austin says he is gay – so what? so, he is gonna corrupt the kiddies, invade the bathrooms, spread the aids and fwck donkeys!
another pastor, not sure where he’s coming from…yet
Wilson was such an intelligent young man that was well informed about discrimination againgt gays and transgenders. He came prepared with facts and researh. He did not bring gloom. doom, and fear.
Police, fire, nurses — when you need them as you are bleeding — do you stop to ask if they’re gay??
Like the shooter at the Holocaust Museum — the 3 ambulance people were all African American. He must have hated it.
ok, I like him so far
good post GaPeachm thank you
327 justafarmer Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:09 PM
austin, he wasn’t anywhere NEAR as silly as last week’s Borat twin, Sergei
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Yup – that’s why I said older and drunk……
Thomas Davis. There are behavioral issues? WTF?
and he’s not looking at a prepared statement
Pastor wants to sit down and talk about the problems and wants time.
Did you just hear that ?? burp or fart ?? same as last week…..
Lance – love your imagery (where are their goats tied, indeed!)
bless your sweet cousin’s heart, she sounds like an incredible person. And bless her mama’s heart, too. She raised that kid right.
she brings up a great point! too noisy outside and can’t hear their names called.
Doggonit Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Pastor wants to sit down and talk about the problems and wants time.
Another of the “lets study this till it goes away”, remember the guy last week?
good on her for calling out distortions and hypothetical situations by red sh*ts. and for letting panel know the reddies are loud and obnoxious.
GA Peach,
I loved your cousin when you said she homecared her Mom!! I did it for the same reason and knowing I was better at protecting her!! As to the other — who cares – I don’t. No one else should!!!
Go CUZ!!!!
lol, austin! I hesitatted to mention the fart noise, but this time I think it was a moving the mic noise. But glad we have a fart “sighting/hearing” again!
Jeana Ashman. Supports the ordiance. The ordinance does not permit special rights. Discrimination is significant enough. It does occur and should not be tolerated.
were they farting rainbows like the GINO?
28 – against ordinance, says more time is needed, it’s already been modified a lot; oh, he’s a pastor, uses the code words “behavioral differences” …
29 – in support, called some speech about ordinance essentially over the top; how much discrimination should be tolerated; yes, she touched on my point that even if gay was a choice, so is religion!
Gina(not Gino) was awesome.
is this one a schoolteacher or what?
all men created equal – life, liberty, pursuit of happiness…
could she talk a *little* faster?!
she’s doing VERY well
“every person here, every human being – is valuable…”
bless her.
Nan Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:19 PM
is this one a schoolteacher or what?
all men created equal – life, liberty, pursuit of happiness…
could she talk a *little* faster?!
Very few of the folks practiced & timed what they had to say, some very surprised at just how fast 3 minutes goes by.
she will never get to her point in time allowed
oh, I love her!
she was terrific.
if you are too nervous to spit it out, just sit down. we already have protection? er, no, we do not have protection – are you dim lady?
Did that guy just wack a loogie on the floor?
“I am not a bigot!” uh huh. needs to see stats – she does not really want to see.
30 – pink scarf, recites line from Declaration of Independence… “everyone here is worthy of being valued” … hmm..
31 – against, says protection is already there in existing law and no ‘special rights’ are needed, wants to see new discrimination data, not from the 80′s, but apologizes to gays if the church has discriminated against them because “it’s wrong” … odd
now they are calling numbers & names!
yep Lori, that’s my take on Ms. greenshirt…
who is this eejit with the HIV crap???
Woman asking for stats on discrimination, however, since it is currently legal, there is nothing to officially report, so there are no stats. All evidence is going to be anecdotal until this discrimination is declared illegal.
Ack! New guy citing correlation of gay lifestyle and illness, specifically AIDS. What’s the point? Is he planning to purge them?
ickkkkk…….need more Scotch…..
great grey, lol I did not see that.
deviant behavior causes high risk to public health. gay = aids says he.
they have 101 to 500 partners, those Gays. so, therefore, they deserve the discrimination I suppose. Gay is like smoking and alcohol, a threat to the people. health issue. Oh cripes.
Guys say gays are a hazard to public health like cigarettes are.
Michael Penkin. Did he just blow his nose on the floor? He talks about disease “pandemic” Throws out stats on the # of sexual partners, oh, it just goes on. He is wearing a red shirt. He says that the ordinance will pose a health risk to the public. What a jerk.
The lady in black says she wants statistics on how many gays were discriminated against in recent times and that if she is convinced then she just might chance her mind concerning gays.
Red shirt – now quoting RollingStone mag about “Bug Chasers” – transmitting diseases.
His appearance is deceiving. He looked like he could talk and research. Guess not
they don’t live to see age 65 (percentage given, I missed it)…
it’s not about “serving ‘the majority’ of those governed”.. but ALL, right?
alcoholism and homosexuality are similar….make me barf…
Bug -chasing……profiling……….this asswipe has got to go. quarantined ?? I’m takin’ a cig break on that one……….
This woman is saying its OK to be mean to homosexuals now cause Jeebuz will be nice to them later.
they have all said everything she was going to say. good. shut up them. proud sunday schoold teacher who loves the lord jesus. this breaks the heart of jesus, who loves us even if e are self-deluded – she should know about delusion. NOT IN MY COMMUNITY she says. she admits she is not jesus. duh.
It’s almost harder to be cranky towards “right” when they’re courteous about it, y’know? Well, sorta, anyway.
cig. AND a swill of wine…….happy redshirt ???
she does not know anyone who is Gay. she is full of fear, this whackjob.
booo hooooooo hooooooo.
Lady says Jesus loves us, even if we are all delusional. She doesn’t know what Jesus wants.
she thinks she doesn’t know anyone who is gay? ROTFL!
32 – red shirt, talking about gays being HIV, promiscuous, short-lived, victims of domestic abuse, deviants, “government discriminates for the good of citizens, e.g. smoking” … “Homosexuality a Public Health Disaster”
33 – another against, “I love the Lord Jesus” and [H]e wants everyone to know [H]e loves all of us, but she can’t “get to the point where she can say [Jesus] wants this to pass…”
doesn’t think she knows anyone who is gay… I bet she does, just doesn’t realize it!
well, bless her heart. Misguided, but…
She’s making me feel like a Dr. Dolittle Push Me-Pull You. She’s for– no she’s–she is –maybe not. Aaaahhhhh!
oh my! look at the HUGE cross hanging off her neck!
but she has that yellow thingie so Prevo’s people are prolly spinning aruond in circles
what is that yellow thingy?
oh, this is a sad and heart-rending testimony
powerful testimony here re suicide of her patient due to discrimination – yes, discrimination is alive and well.
Mother wearing a cross has three straight children. A professional counselor says discrimination is real. Knows child who committed suicide and gay doctor who lost job.
ACLU, I think, fawnskin
The lady who says she does not know anyone gay is totally confused and I might add, just a little slow.
careful to note she is Christian as are her 3 children.
also careful to state that there IS discrimination.
historically, change is slow. ’54, Brown vs board of ed… still places where those changes are not implemented.
Hello, I”m red flag man:
Chair: Resubmit in 30 days.
Well this lady is about a straight shooter………calm..methodical…….looks like she could shred if need be.like her.
I found the counselor to be a very compelling speaker.
justafarmer, not all christians are like prevo – even if they wear huge cross – a lesson to be learned by me tonight.
Ok….someone just did it again……I heard it
wow, we’re only up to the 120s and there were more than 300 signed up last Tuesday? I need to block out all Tuesdays for a while..
There was that “fart” noise again. Apparently was the mic being adjusted…
But last Tuesday it was DEFINITELY a fart….
just sayin…
Confused lady was actually kind of refreshing. Sounds like she’s struggling with the issue. Not sure whether Jesus would like ordinance or not. Maybe she’s saveable. Hope some gay person talks to her in the lobby afterward.
so this guy wants to change those poor homosexuals. this is quite the sermon.
Head(?) of a non profit organization called Build a Family and then says “it’s a choice”. D..khead
justafarmer Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
wow, we’re only up to the 120s and there were more than 300 signed up last Tuesday? I need to block out all Tuesdays for a while..
There was that “fart” noise again. Apparently was the mic being adjusted…
But last Tuesday it was DEFINITELY a fart….
just sayin…
I think they have scheduled more for tomorrow night in an effort to clear this backlog out.
yep, I got it Lori and all after listening to her. Just goes to show: do NOT judge by appearances.
34 – “single straight christian mother” whose children are all straight; professional counselor, “affirms discrimination is alive and well” .. one client committed suicide, another (a doctor) lost job when it came out he was gay
35 – opposed, another pastor !! has a non-profit “build the family”, calls gay a choice, warns panel not to “move an ancient boundary stone”; he’s sermonizing – blech
“do not move an ancient boundary stone” HUH? he is a pastor. here come the scripture. repent and have access to the Lord. say no to sinful behavior but say yes to those who want help. conversion to HIS way he means.
A guy quotes some unknown and crazy ancient king, do move ancient boundary stone of boundary. Starts babbling some wild biblical stuff. Apparently thinks world will end if ordinance passes.
oh, she’s wearing a shade of red: pink
We only heard 88 last week……..and there were 300 plus signed up.
freedome of religion and these ordinances are “mutually exclusive” – point of ordinance, to take away choice and right to act on beliefs.
(humpf)
she’s making my head hurt….
Physicsmom,
I agree with you. She just wants to talk to someone. When she said she didn’t know any gays, I have to admit I screamed — Look around the room. Look who has been speaking.
Ya know, she and the lady with the t-shirt early who lost her job, could probably get along quite nice!!
SHE has concluded this ordinance is bad. we have right to judge how humans behave and she justifies being judgemental. who died and made her the deicider? the purpose of the ordinance is to take away freedoms! what spin! she can go head to head with fox noise.
red tie….what does it mean
Lady in yellow says ordinance doesn’t protect religious freedom. She think homosexuality is all about bad behavior.
Archibald needs to sit down and STFU. He is just a bigot hiding behind building strong families and communities, he professes to be building while leaving out an important segment of the population. He believes that gays are just choosing to act in ways that are destuctive to themselves and their families. Code words again. What a joke!!
going over the thing paragraph by paragraph. “Actual orientation” want’s definition. bad law, reject it
I swear he hung on the aanncient a little long…..
he set aside his responsibilities to God to come here tonight, lol! we do not need another protected group! I suppose he is pissed that women, minorities and children have “special” rights too.
not a red shirt, but a red tie…sigh…
I look REALLY good in red, hate that I have to throw all those clothes out…
again the “special rights” and “it’s a choice and bad law”
Yellow shirt guy. Don’t hurt the many for special rights to those being discriminated against.
36 – pink dress, afraid of curtailing freedoms, saying ordinance takes away religious rights to give to gay rights; calls gay a “behavior”
37 – red tie, oh dear, he’s righteous and was lucky to be able to speak tonight, unlike the people speaking for the ordinance who have too much time on their hands… talk about smug.. (sorry, I’m trying to be objective here but this guy is crazy), called himself against the “homosexual agenda”
oh criminy. Murder is illegal too, but they had to pass “anti-lynching” laws back in the 30s (I think) to make it stick for “all” persons. sheesh
Red Tie — They aren’t special rights. They are rights that you as a white man have. To work, to educate, to live without a moron like you in their face.
so according to this woman there is no discrimination
what on earth is she talking about with doctors?
Angry Doctor woman, also into necrophilia.
Dang! Telephone rang and I answered it and missed Red tie. What was his stand?
physician 25 yrs in ak, too costly, and is dicriminatory itself (quotes from plato)
WHY would – unisex jons (again)
sorry, I have to say it finally….she is full of CRAP!!!!!!
there is no discrimination! she believes that – she is a doctor ? she has only head of 4 cases in the US out of millions (of discrimination). guess she did not listen to the testimony of all of those who have suffered discrimination in anchorage. and now all bathrooms must be remodeled. if I ever visit alaska and get sick, PLEASE do not take me to this doc. she just said doggonit!!
I cannot take her anymore – bathroom obsession again.
the doc asked other long time ak docs what they’ve seen /heard re discrimination
anatomically correct? it’s not gonna work????
oh dear!
Yellow shirt nurse says she has never seen discrimination. She asked a bunch of physicians and talked about it for 3 to 5 minutes. Unisex toilets very expensive. She thinks it will add thousands of pages to her work. Will lead to endless lawsuits.
Lordee, it must be nice to be so certain. heaven help us
Forever Anonymous–WfAK is Mudflatter “Writing from Alaska”
I’m sure glad you guys write such good comments. It gives me the flavor, without having to actually listen to the wackjobs (I know they’re not all wackjobs, but the wackjobs would make me crazy).
It’s a little depressing to be forced to realize that a significant fraction of our fellows are still living in a pre-Enlightenment mindspace. On the other hand, maybe the ordinance will pass — it is the 21st Century (for many of us, anyhow).
I wish the Assembly would make the speakers prove where they live. I don’t necessarily have a problem with the out-of-towners getting to voice their opinions (however obnoxious), but they shouldn’t be allowed to pretend to be constituents of the people who have to vote.
38 – opposed, this one says there is no real discrimination in health care, ordinance is discriminatory, costly, poorly worded, increase beaurocracy… quotes Plato permitting sexual act only between man-woman
oh, I can NOT believe she’s talking about obese and cancer patients
I don’t need you to explain later……GD !! I did not even get to finish before I heard bathroom………pissed off little b^*ch…….400bc…….hit the road wench….
he has blue and red shirt on. will he or won’t he?
and she threw Christianity into it.
Oh and the crowd laffed after the assemblyman made a final comment, which I missed..
Lori, it loks lke some kind of new age druid cloak
loks lke=looks like…
obviously too much Scotch here…
sounds like he has had a tipple or two too much as well.
Lori in Los Angeles Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:46 PM
he has blue and red shirt on. will he or won’t he?
He will, his friend was an xtian. But he had no point at all.
does anyone know about this “chet” who was killed in loma linda.
I posted this in Sunday: you betcha they are all there regurgitating Prevo’s last “serm