Open Thread
And now for something completely different.
“Before we ever exchanged ambassadors, we exchanged goods,” Obama said at a US-Russia business forum in Moscow, which he addressed as part of a state visit to the Russian capital.
“Along the way you gave us a pretty good deal on Alaska. Thank you,” Obama said to laughter from the audience.
The United States purchased Alaska in 1867 for 7.2 million dollars in gold after the government of Russia’s Tsar Alexander II determined it was losing money on the colony.
That’s it. I just thought that was nice. It made me smile.
Enjoy the open thread.
That’s definitely cool!
Ha! I enjoyed very much on huffington post today the photos of the obamas in russia the girls are so adorable!
And as soon as we dump Palin for good, we have our SELF worth back, too – also! Hip Hip Hurray, Alaska! Dip, Dip, Go Away, Palin!
FAIRBANKS — Despite her imminent resignation, Gov. Sarah Palin still intends to appoint two Fairbanks judges.
Frank Bailey, director of boards and commissions for the governor, said that Palin plans to make the appointments before her July 26 resignation. Bailey said he did not know when the announcement will be made.
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/08/palin-plans-appoint-fairbanks-judges-resignation/
It is so nice to have a president who exudes class. I may not agree with everything he does, but he does indeed make me proud to call him my president.
Gov. Sarah Palin still intends to appoint two Fairbanks judges.
That isn’t surprising in the least. We are hearing that her decision to quit has been months in the making and she has been positioning people all along to represent her after she leaves office.
The ego is still strong in her. She doesn’t want to do the actual work, but she wants to ensure that things go the way she wants despite her not being around, and as long as she is in the position to actually do something about it, we had better accept that she will continue to do whatever she wants, whenever she wants, how ever she wants, because she is after all proving she’s a fighter by quitting.
Yes, it’s good to see Pres. Obama able to travel the world – and to NOT have to worry about him embarrassing us. Like giving unwanted massages to the German Chancellor Angela Merkel or talking with his mouth full.
Grandma ‘Toots’ taught Pres. Obama manners. And the First Family serves us well, showing class!
Sarah’s Secret Diary
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Maureen Dowd strikes again.
@ EyeOnYou Says: at 2:08 AM
Gov. Sarah Palin still intends to appoint two Fairbanks judges.
Quite frankly, from the clips I saw during SP’s resignation speech & the fishing wader interviews, she doesn’t seem very mentally stable. JMO. Are there any confirmations needed for these Judge appointments? The article seemed like that was unlikely. Wow, it’s going to be a long couple of weeks to make the transition, how much more damage can she inflict?
Still laughing at Rachel Maddow’s “slam job” on Palin when she came out wearing ‘fish waders’ last night !
Just heard on fox news OReilly will disguss tonight wether the blogger on Huffington Post should be sacked .Presume he means Shannyn Moore.
After listening to Greta today [yesterday for you ,time line] talking to that VanFliein .Looks like Fox is up to its usual tricks.
“whether the blogger on Huffington Post should be sacked” implies that Shannyn or AKM get paid for their pieces. I’m not at all sure that is the case, but I hope it is. And really, no chance of a “sacking” there!
Anyone still awake who can give a tiny synopsis on the testimony last night? 21 pages is a lot of liveblogging!
I am not an Alaskan. But I have been watching the blogs for a long time, well, since the VP run. Dennis Zaki of the Alaska report is either A. the most patient person in the world or B. the most misinformed person in the world. This iceberg thing he keeps referring to still. I heard Shannyn Moore on radio say that Zaki has never been wrong about anything. So which is he? A or B? Of course, I hope it is A.
Sure problem child….
I watched it all.
The chair lady wore red. There was not one speaker in support of the ordinance. Eddie burke was at the back. One mudflatter was there and got recordings. All the red speakers at first quored bible verses it was all scripture. Then one of the panel? would ask if they believed the alaskan constitution supported theor freedom / right to chose or something similar and theyd mumble yes or louder YES! and then one useless girl was talking and whhen she was asked cheers and noise broke out the chairlady asked for it to stop – said next time security would remove people — then she said that no one HAD TO respond to the questions and then someone told all the REDS not to answer the questions.. then more bible verses and scripture finally gays are pedophiles lots of toilet, restroom, dressing room, crossdresser, and men who used to begay but now are saved, been gay is an addiction, and a crazy lady who cant go to a craft store because the gays chase her kids and they are pwedophiles she brought pix of her kids and then said gays tried to run her over or off the road or both because shes straight.. lots more stories of discrimination against straight christians and paranoia about criminalizing christianity.. a total lack of understanding of seperation of church and state and a overwhelming belief God wrote the constitution of the USA and Alaska… thats about it..
Then call for the names of who else wants to speak.. list of over 600 people will continue on the 21st.
Mudflatters spoke of the people bussed in from out of anchorage and the red shirts told to say they were from anchorage and some discussion that blueshirts should speak and hand over a copy of theor photocopied drivers license with anchorage address singing their names in blue to make a point.
Hope that helps
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moseyon Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Just heard on fox news OReilly will disguss tonight wether the blogger on Huffington Post should be sacked
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He is my least favorite person ever!
The ADN just goes from bad to worse.
Did You Hear the Rumor About Shannyn Moore?
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142241
@ Looselips at 3:08 AM
One thing We-of-the-mailing Flatrate USPS boxes have learned is that when it comes to Alaska travel, it’s a whole different ballgame. Dennis Z. will deliver when the correct time comes. Sounds like Looselips thought starving babies & elders last winter was a good thing, huh? Palin – - 6 weeks later brought Evangelicals & homemade cookies.
Aussie Blue Skies: Thanks for the link to the Maureen Dowd piece. Good thing I finished my coffee first, or I’d be cleaning up the computer – hee hee!
lolli-xo Thank you very much. Most of that doesn’t surprise me, except that there were none testifying in favour. But I guess “our people” were organized enough to get on the list early (like weeks ago). Sigh.
@ Looselips 3:08 AM
“Of course, I hope it is A.”
I’m sorry, I misread your comment. My apologies. I just get snarly when it comes to our getting the truth, and yes we’re ALL still waiting for Dennis Z. to give his videos. But still, it’s better waiting when he’s giving the true picture. More reliable, that’s why we donate to send him out there.
Aussie Blue Sky Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 2:22 AM
Sarah’s Secret Diary
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Maureen Dowd strikes again.
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Aussie great find! LMAO!!!! Thanks
Looselips Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:08 AM
I am not an Alaskan. But I have been watching the blogs for a long time, well, since the VP run. Dennis Zaki of the Alaska report is either A. the most patient person in the world or B. the most misinformed person in the world. This iceberg thing he keeps referring to still. I heard Shannyn Moore on radio say that Zaki has never been wrong about anything. So which is he? A or B? Of course, I hope it is A.
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A check out his “corrupt bastards page” http://alaskareport.com/news/z49999_corrupt_bastards.htm
moseyon Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Just heard on fox news OReilly will disguss tonight wether the blogger on Huffington Post should be sacked .Presume he means Shannyn Moore.
After listening to Greta today [yesterday for you ,time line] talking to that VanFliein .Looks like Fox is up to its usual tricks.
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Bill O should be sacked! He incited a whack job to kill Dr. Tiller! He is lucky he even has a job. We should of all complained to the FCC about him! We still can you know…!
lolli-xo – Thanks. I couldn’t wade through the 1000+ comments. Wow. I am so bummed.
Aussie Blue Skies: geesh the ADN has stooped to a new low today. I did like the AK Voices piece from July 4th, Bill Sherwonit titled From Pit Bull with Lipstick to Quitter: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142185
Aussie Blue Sky Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:30 AM
The ADN just goes from bad to worse.
Did You Hear the Rumor About Shannyn Moore?
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142241
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Another whiner! I notice she doesn’t have a email…! She probably works for buttercup!
VAN FLEIN: Like, one of the persons who filed the complaint was the official Democratic Party blogger for the convention for President Obama last fall. And she has been part of this.
So there is a connection to the Democratic Party in the lower 48.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530620,00.html
He’s talking about Linda!
DEFAMASHUUUUUN!! He knows it’s not true – he reads all the blogs.
What an amateur!
Van Flea, appeals to the wing nuts….
“VAN SUSTEREN: Thomas, are these individuals who are filing it, or do you think this is part of some concerted effort by some group? What’s the origin of these 15 that you have already spoken about?
VAN FLEIN: Some are individual efforts. But we know that there is a group of left-wing associates who have publicly stated that this is a concerted action to undermine the administration. They blog about it and rejoice in it, essentially.
And so it is a concerted effort and it is not accidental or coincidental.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have you any reason to believe that it is originating outside of Alaska?
VAN FLEIN: Well, it’s out of the playbook, it’s out of a left-wing playbook to attack your opponent and attack them personally, use the system against them, bog them down with things like ethics complaints, make them spend their own money, give them bad headlines. It’s a standard left-wing tactic.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530620,00.html
How will Sarah Palin’s resignation affect book sales?
“If she has an eye on 2012, she probably will write a carefully worded, bland policy book that won’t make headlines,” said Bernadette Malone, a former editor at Penguin Books. “If she’s not running for president in 2012, she can write a much more candid book that’s likely to get attention from both the press and the public. She can explain the real reason she resigned the governorship, and she can talk about how badly she was treated by specific people in the media and the John McCain campaign.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24650.html
Glenn Beck sure does not know jack about Alaska. Wants to boink sarah though…..
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/30/beck-alaska/
Alaskans need to boycott EVERY sponsor of Eddies radio show. Especially the local ones.
http://www.calbuzz.com/2009/07/media-morsels-palin-channels-khamenei-will-hearts-meg-lat-strikes-again/
“Calbuzz knows through bitter experience that being a lowly journalist dragged through the legal system by a vengeful, powerful person who operates on the ancient legal theory of Keep Your Mouth Shut or I’ll Ruin Your Life is a scary, painful and expensive proposition, and every principled pol, newshound and hen in the nation ought to be speaking up for Moore and throwing a red flag at Palin.”
Who the hell is Joann Grimes ??
And YES, PLEASE, let Sarah sue Shannyn and anyone else she wants to sue.
Make Sarah put her hand on the Bible and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth !
Yeah, right – like that’s going to happen !
She’s STILL never done a REAL press conference with ACTUAL questions that aren’t screened beforehand.
You think she’s going to get on a witness stand and get cross-examined ?
NOT !!!
Letterman’s Top Ten last nite
Top Ten Messages On Sarah Palin’s Answering Machine
Top Ten
“Hi, It’s George W. Bush. Why didn’t anyone tell me resigning was an option?”
“It’s John McCain — why did I call?”
“Mark Sanford here. Ever been to Argentina?”
“I’m calling from Geico to see if you want to renew your dogsled insurance”
“It’s Letterman — we still cool?”
“McCain again. Still no idea why I called”
“Hi, it’s the dry cleaner. Having trouble getting caribou blood out of your Prada jacket”
“Hi, it’s Sarah…oops…dialed my own number”
“Schwarzenegger here. If you want a job, California could use a new governor”
“Hey, it’s McCain. Who would’ve thought you’d retire before I did?”
20 the problem child Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:48 AM
lolli-xo Thank you very much. Most of that doesn’t surprise me, except that there were none testifying in favour. But I guess “our people” were organized enough to get on the list early (like weeks ago). Sigh.
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You are very welcome 1000+ comments was a lot to read through. Probably not the most complete summary but it was the major points I noticed and I watched it all.
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25 SmallSteps Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:59 AM
lolli-xo – Thanks. I couldn’t wade through the 1000+ comments. Wow. I am so bummed.
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Again glad I can contribute something. Its good to hear the blues were at earlier ones. I kept waiting for someone for the ordinance.
I hope the Rupture comes soon and swallows all of the whackjobs up, Sarah first.
NYTimes piece, LOL:
“It’s about me running the country.
It’s about me running.
It’s about me.”
How she captured SP in those three short sentences.
DEAR SARAH PALIN: just say no to the haters!!!!!!!
http://dagblog.com/humor-satire/dear-sarah-palin-just-say-no-haters-786
Good night Mudflatters work in the AM. *heart*
This is John McCain’s mess. He needs to pull the plug, we know he can.
Does he want to be remembered forever as the man who unleashed Palin madness on the US, or can he be man enough to say “I’m sorry, I made a big mistake, this is the real Sarah Palin”?.
Come on McCain, man up!.
Van Flea and ManSEWER have been talking………the “play book” crap is one of the groupie cults favorite thing to talk about. GAWD.
And Gretta, I can’t believe she’s actually getting into this and promoting it. Well, actually I can, but this is getting more and more unbelievable. So, did Fake fair and balanced news Gretta interview Shannyn or anyone else from AK who does not happen to support Scarah?
How many people who are in on “promoting” Scarah are actually insane? Gah!
Kathleen Parker in the Wahsington Post -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070702338.html
Meanwhile, getting real, can we stop pretending that Palin is interested in anything other than her own ambition?
Yeah, maybe it’s time for Letterman to have McCain on again and put him on the spot, make him talk.
I have a fantasy that Sarah Palin ends up working on an assembly line packaging WSMRE’s (Word Salad MRE’s) for Joel’s Army.
My post on ADN under jOANN GRIMES column, just in case they delete it!
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My,my! Aren’t we just a tad irritated, Joann Grimes. As Shannyn told Sarah Palin on Saturday night, “Suck it up, Buttercup!!”
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Look out Virginia !!
Asked whether he’d welcome her presence on the trail, McDonnell responded: “I think she’d be a good spokesman. She’s a successful governor in Alaska. She’s a popular governor in Alaska. Got a lot of things done on taxes and regulations, and ethics. And those are some of the things that I’m interested in getting done here in Virginia.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/va-gubernatorial-candidate-palin-welcome-to-campaign-for-me.html
I tried to post on ADN. I put – Does Joann Grimes have any idea how mad she seems, does ADN have any idea how low they have sunk?.
Went straight to spam – hey ho!
This from politico:
“On Tuesday, Murkowski said Palin “absolutely” could be a viable 2012 candidate, could effectively stump for 2010 GOP candidates and has an “incredible ability to galvanize people, to motivate people, to inspire people.” Murkowski said an “awful lot of people” think Palin could do more to raise her national profile by leaving Alaska — and Murkowski said her initial sour reaction was based on how Palin’s resignation could affect the state and on the fact that she was speaking from a satellite phone and could not go into detail.”
May explain this from Andy Halcro:
“When SarahPac’s financial disclosure statements are released at the end of July, they will show one of the first checks written was to Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s re-election campaign.”
Andy’s post today is a giggle. I especially liked this:
“Maybe a little openness and transparency from incoming Governor Parnell can save the state some cash and save himself some hassles.
Hey Sean, lets start with releasing that email you sent to Governor Palin on Febuary 1, 2008 at 7:30am with the subject line: Andrew Halcro.
Yeah, the same one that you refused to release by labeling it “Confidential.”
Honestly, I know state secrets and I know Andrew Halcro…and Andrew Halcro is no state secret.”
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/andrews_weekly_shouts_0
Say NO to Palin in Politics Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 4:45 AM
Van Flea and ManSEWER have been talking………the “play book” crap is one of the groupie cults favorite thing to talk about. GAWD.
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Ya wanna bet that Mansour has been giving Van Flea legal advice also too? Like amateurish threats about defamashun such as?
VAN FLEIN: Some are individual efforts. But we know that there is a group of left-wing associates who have publicly stated that this is a concerted action to undermine the administration.
Ask him to cite his source – names, dates, etc.
“Got a lot of things done on… ethics. And those are some of the things that I’m interested in getting done here in Virginia.”
Yeah, I guess the GOP will now join her in trying to squash freedom of speech. And those pesky ethics complaints. And people who wanna read emails and look at government documents.
Let’s be more like China or Korea, is like so much more totally free for corrupt political folks, also.
Maureen Dowd’s write up is PERFECT! please everyone pump it up…….she is so right on.
Pity they won’t take 8 mil to ship Palin across the straights so she can not only ‘see’ russia, but feel it’s earth too. forever.
Yesterday driving through “real America,” we listened to Rush Limbaugh’s Tuesday fill-in, Mark Belling. He read a satire written in the National Review from the perspective of a “liburl” about Sarah Palin and how to destroy conservatives. Belling went on to tell his listeners how to rise up “using THE RULES.” (You can listen to the audio by going to the Rush Limbaugh home page and paying $49.95 plus s/h of $6.95.)
Bells went off. NOW it was making sense. I couldn’t figure out how so many people who don’t seem to read much kept quoting Saul Alinksky and Ayn Rand. Apparently Rush and Fox Folks were reading them so their minions didn’t have to and could just spout off some stuff to make them sound intelligent.
Cyrstalwolf @28 shared:
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have you any reason to believe that it is originating outside of Alaska?
VAN FLEIN: Well, it’s out of the playbook, it’s out of a left-wing playbook to attack your opponent and attack them personally, use the system against them, bog them down with things like ethics complaints, make them spend their own money, give them bad headlines. It’s a standard left-wing tactic.”
Dang, Van Flein must have paid the $49.95 plus s/h. And, Sarah’s been getting the cliff notes, too.
For the curious, here is a link to the original essay, thanks to Media Matters:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=&w=MA==
Top Ten Messages On Sarah Palin’s Answering Machine (VIDEO)
Monday night he spent the bulk of his monologue mocking her and last night he did a Sarah Palin top ten (without calling her a slutty flight attendant). In last night’s list he managed to mock John McCain, George Bush, and himself all the while lancing Palin and her decision to step down.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/top-ten-messages-on-sarah_n_227583.html
Billo is a bully just like Palin. I’de love him slapped down like Shannyn
did to Palin.
He would just yell you down.
All I was doing was letting you know.I also told Huffington Post.
Well lets see how he spins it.
Watching Sarah Palin’s press conference on Friday was like watching a drunk seal trying to land a plane,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/06/sarah-palins-resignation_n_226462.html
Joann Grimes is a “Guest Opinion Blogger” for adn. Her blog is listed under BLOGS – Community Blogs – Alaska Voices
Her blog entry re: Shannyn Moore http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142241
states “…a woman, I’d never heard of before on the news last night”. Which certainly indicates Grimes is out of touch with the Alaska blog scene.
Grimes also seems very out of touch with regard to the laws on defamation and public figures. She seems to really enjoy her own ignorance. Her “education” is starting to stack up in the collected comments. Worth the read, IMO.
I am not a resident of Alaska but have followed Sarah Palin’s career since she was chosen by McCain to be his running mate. Does anyone know if ethics charges were filed again Palin before she was chosen by McCain? And if not, any thoughts on why not?
thanks
Huh ??
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/08/palin-poll-republicans/
Do you think Sarah will be running the state without the Title? Remember she said she did not need a title? I would’nt put anything past her and her minons!
austintx Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 5:43 AM
Huh ??
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/08/palin-poll-republicans/
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LOL that’s because she is all mavericky now and will lead them out of the abyss
Did the Google guys come to Juneau to personally set up ScarrahPac on Google
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/070709/loc_460684576.shtml
“Where is the iceberg ??”
http://data.tumblr.com/cY9i56e40e60g8jvbbDxeu99o1_500.jpg
Sarah talks about how unfair the media is to her. That is far from the truth, The media is hiding so many of Sarah’s lies, and big lies. The media is unfair to the US citizens for hiding these lies about a slimy fish who uses her kids, a fetal alcohol baby that is not her’s and her sex appeal to get votes.
That is why bloggers needed to step up to the plate and report the truth and facts because the media Has NOT!
The stories all over the place that GINO’s office released the details of the complaints costs, all refer to a spreadsheet — Where is it. Not one article shows it. The stories all just refer to numbers given by the office. This is no different than her ad nauseam spew of numbers. But then, seeing a spreadsheet from her office doesn’t mean it’s truthful either.
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/07/palins-office-details-complaint-costs/
crystalwolf aka caligrl (28)
Playbook? How come I don’t have one of those playbooks, I want one!
Also too, still waiting on my “paycheck” from them libruls.
My gawd, it must be awful to live day after day in such fear and paranoia.
Nan
July 4th 2009, it’s 3 am. They red phone is ringing. Where is Sarah?
She quit.
I wondered the same thing, Canadian Neighbour. I spent a portion of last night trying to find the spreadsheet. Went to numerous websites including the Alaska gov website and the Governor’s site, but could not find it. Don’t know if he’ll follow up, but posted the info on Progressive Alaska.
Hilarious!! Neew iPhone application to translate Palinese into English
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/new-iphone-app-translates_b_227660.html
Maureen Dowd is dead on with her Palin speak article today.
posting it in case you didn’t get to read it…
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
DinkyP, #60, asked:
Do you think Sarah will be running the state without the Title?
My Answer: It is very likely that she will try.
My question:
Do you think the “Shadow governor” ie. Todd Palin will still be sent copies of government e-mails from the replacement governor, Parnell?
@dinyp
you are correct the only blogger of national exposure to question her on anything has been Andrew Sullivan. And the media knows there is something but want do the time and research to find out. I believe they are afraid of being called a sexist and don’t want to do down that path.
crystalwolf aka caligrl Says
VAN FLEIN: Well, it’s out of the playbook, it’s out of a left-wing playbook to attack your opponent and attack them personally, use the system against them, bog them down with things like ethics complaints, make them spend their own money, give them bad headlines. It’s a standard left-wing tactic.”
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Hahahahahahaha….this is the meme of one of Sarah’s fansites. In fact one of the editors from that place recently traveled from L.A. to Anchorage.
Here’s something that I was unaware of:
http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html
“In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.”
When I read something especially nasty coming from Fox, that’s what goes through my mind… that they have the court’s blessing to lie to those they claim to be “informing.”
I googled “fox can lie court” and found 352,000 hits.
skanks
Gardenslug Says: (71)
My question:
Do you think the “Shadow governor” ie. Todd Palin will still be sent copies of government e-mails from the replacement governor, Parnell?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if SP received copies.
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The Rooskies tried to throw in Siberia too, but Seward was too sharp for ‘em.
And in other news, of the make-you-crazy variety…
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Morning, All!
I’m about Red Shirt/Palin’d out. Think I’ll actually go outside and read a book with a nice glass of Iced Tea.
Anyone into the Stephanie Plum series by Janet Evanovich? Good, funny, easy reading for a sunny day!
Has anyone found that spreadsheet that Palin has said to have released regarding the time and money spent by the administration regarding the ethics complaints and the FOIA & records requests?
The Rules for Radicals-
Saul Alinsky’s 1971 list of 13 Rules for Radicals:
1 ) Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2 ) Never go outside the experience of your people. It may result in confusion, fear and retreat.
3 ) Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear and retreat.
4 ) Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules.
5 ) Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
6 ) A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7 ) A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8 ) Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
9 ) The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10 ) The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11 ) If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into it’s counterside.
12 ) The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13 ) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.
If you google Alinsky, you come up with thousands of hits, many with descriptors that include Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary, Ayers and even the Pope. The article I am including is from about 2003 and came from a strategic policy institute whose mission is not stated. Almost all other articles seemed to take the short annotations from this website, though.
http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm
My copy of the playbook must have been lost in the mail.
How do I re-order?
samper- I love Stephanie Plum! I left 14 at home and just might have to pick another one up. I love to read. Wine books are what I consider to be thoughtful pieces of literature. But once a week I break out a beer book- a fun mystery with a kick ass protagonist with a sense of snarky humor.
I say court martial her. She is a liar. She Quit, for no good reason! She is Insane. Order a psych evaluation.
I double dare Scarah to allow an interview with Barbara Walters. If she can survive that I may give her some credibility. If she’s got nothing to hide do the interview. What do ya say MEG.
Barbara Walters Scarah, can you handle that? are you tough enough for a real interview?
Hey, while your at it go on the View, women talking to women, nothing sexist about that, eh? you have a friend and supporter there, she even helped you campaign, I think you owe her a favor, don’t you?
@samper
your playbook was written on a whiteboard…and erased. so, now there is no evidence of your great coaching or your players abilities. lol!!!
just for fun before heading out to work – from my BIL:
http://61226.com/share/hk.swf
Place your cursor at the top of the photo. You will notice it is 6:10 PM. Bring the mouse down slowly over the photo without pressing the button on the mouse. Do not right or left click. Night time appears, the lights come on, and at 7:40 PM, it’s dark!
whoever said yesterday that instead of GOing to work, I need to stay here or work at home – I agree! But then I’d actually have to, y’know, work. lol
Have a good un,
Nan
Sarah’s Secret Diary
By MAUREEN DOWD
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&emc=eta1
Joann Grimes-Pantages was the alternate delegate to the RNC. Gave lots of money, a retired “freelance writer”. I don’t know what she writes.
Her husband Jeff Pantages is a big deal in Alaska money, an investment manager for the Alaska Energy Authority.
CG Thanks for the bio on the Grimes blogger who published a guest barf on ADN. I wonder if she puts herself in the category of “those bloggers,” or if her blogging is somehow more special and sanctified.
Eye on you………isn’t the spreadsheet on the state web site? search under whoever is in charge of finances.
Wonder if Lt Gov Parnell will have his wife attend closed door State meetings and travel with his children a lot on State’s dime. Will he open a new personal e-mail account for all official business? Will he keep his house and charge per diem instead of moving his family to Juneau? If his transition is smooth and his term uncontroversial, it will definitely show an historical comparison to the two (Parnell and Palin).
Oh, she’d never think of herself as a “blogger”; she’s a writer…
I’ve read two other ADN posts of hers – oh excuse me, pieces/i> – equally snotty and vitriolic. That seems to be her voice and not specific to Shannyn Moore.
Everyone is mocking Palin (rightfully so) for dreaming up a “Department of Law” in the White House that will free her from those pesky ethic complaints but my first thought was, “Lady you already have a Department of Law! It is called the Alaskan Personnel Board, hand-appointed by you, who reviews all the ethics complaints and in every single case dismisses them even when they are in clear violation of ethics and in some cases the law. It’s not going to get any easier than that for you.”
@#47 UK Lady, great minds… Here is my post on the Grimey…oops!..Grimes piece:
TBNTJudy wrote on 07/08/2009 08:05:01 AM:
“And, I most certainly hope that she incurs no more legal expense then the Palins . What is that up to now? Half a million?”
From God’s lips to your ears, dear? Oh, the irony here is simply too delicious. One is compelled to help you improve your writing by pointing out that proper usage dictates “than” instead of “then” in your sentence quoted above. Perhaps the red glare emanating from your eyes as you typed obscured your vision?
Rachel sums it up quite nicely! Phil has it posted on his site.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/
History: I love Stephanie, too! And she always manages to get that cute cop into bed, also too! I think she even got Ranger a time or two! She is one lucky gal. And Rex is one lucky little guy, also too. But I think he’s due for a new soup can!
I’m not reading in order, but have about 10 under the belt so far, I think. I’m into 3 right now and have 12 checked out from the library for when I finish 3.
Also too: Sue Grafton is great, easy “beer” reading. I have a couple of her books already packed for Greece. 15 stinking hours’ travel time.
excuse me Gryphen has Rachel M video on his site.
CG,
Thanks for the info on Grimes.
I was in the midst of writing a message that we could all chip in and buy a bottle or two of hair color as it appears her self esteem is so low from the jealously that consumes her. I got the feeling that funds were extremely tight as it appears she’s been unable to do this for quite sometime seeing all the aging gray roots– so thought we could do this to help!!
lol, and Rachel has waders on.
Dear Sarah has a playbook, too. It says: 1) make up whatever you want because journalists don’t have the balls to call a pretty woman a liar; 2) ignore all laws and procedures because no one who hopes to have a political future or a job will call a pretty woman on anything she does; 3) say the press and your enemies are out to get you by smearing you and telling lies about you and holding you to a different standard; 4) act all folksy to appeal to the ignorant people who are your base; 5) establish your brand and drive it home through the use of stock phrases every chance you get even if nothing you say makes sense –i.e., hockey mom, pit bull, Alaska, moose, fishing, no politics as usual, I’m not wired like all those beltway elites, I’m just like you ordinary Americans–uncultured, uneducated, and Christian.
So how can we get everyone to start talking about Palin’s Playbook?
Say NO to Palin in Politics Says:
Eye on you………isn’t the spreadsheet on the state web site? search under whoever is in charge of finances.
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I’ve done that and can’t find it.
Does Parnell have to go out and buy a plane now that SP dumped the state one?
I guess since there is a Department of Law in Alaska and Alaska, as Sarah has told us often, is a microcosm of the US, ergo there must be a Department of Law in the White House……….? Sounds like Palin logic to me.
http://www.law.state.ak.us/
LOL! listen the the Scarah breathing video on Gryphen’s site!!!! wonderful and funny.
While people celebrate around me I can’t feel the excitement, in fact I feel dread. Can you imagine, if the Republican primaries were held today, Palin would win the top of the ticket!
Many laugh and say that that would be a dream come true; she could never beat Obama.
I however am not laughing. First of all, what is wrong in this country when a person with so little going for them is put in a position as a major player in national politics?
Second, if the economy doesn’t improve enough for people to feel that there is positive change in their lives by the next election cycle then they may just vote for change…again….
We need to revisit a little history, that was not that long ago. During Bush senior’s last year in office, he announced that the recession was over. Technically he was correct but it was going to take another year for the population in general to feel the change. Bill Clinton’s advisor’s (mainly James Carvalle–who I think is great) saw the opening and campaigned on the “feel your pain” “it’s the econmy stupid” platform and won.
Let’s imagine for a horrific moment that this scenario repeats itself and that the economic recovery isn’t filtering down into the general population as much as we’d like. Let’s also assume that the Republican base puts Mrs. Palin in the top spot. Next, let’s assume that her campaign hires someone like Mary Matalin (Carvalle’s well connect, republican strategist wife, who has already praised Palin) for her campaign. And let’s look at the nightmare that would happen if the public votes for change again.
Palin must not be offered a platform to begin her campaign. People who are thinking of giving her one for their own campaign or cause must be discouraged from doing so.
ocliberal Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:12 AM
Everyone is mocking Palin (rightfully so) for dreaming up a “Department of Law” in the White House that will free her from those pesky ethic complaints but my first thought was, “Lady you already have a Department of Law! It is called the Alaskan Personnel Board, hand-appointed by you, who reviews all the ethics complaints and in every single case dismisses them even when they are in clear violation of ethics and in some cases the law. It’s not going to get any easier than that for you.”
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Two of the things that has been driving me most crazy about frostvixen quitterface’s resignation “explanations”:
1) Every single journalist that has interviewed her has allowed her to get away with claming that she has “won all” of the complaints, when in fact three of them did NOT go in her favor.
2) No journalist has had the guts to mention that the complaints that were dismissed were handled by her hand-picked Personnel Board.
that “have” been driving me crazy, not “has”
Sheesh, Palin makes my brain work poorly.
Candy Knight @98
Love your “Palin’s Rules for ______” My, all the terms that fit the blank. Fundies? Barbarians? Whack Jobs? We do need to make the “new rules” a bit more public.
samper
I haven’t seen a new Grafton book lately, but I like her, too. I sure enjoy mysteries for my relaxing reading. I don’t like a lot of violence, though. Women authors tend to let their protagonists find a body, but they don’t dwell on all the gory details. Well, Bones does, but that is different
To all of you with slow internet- I now feel your pain.
Apparently where we are for a week this is going to be the norm. UGH! I can’t stream anything and just an hour ago got enough “wireless” for my iTouch to connect. I am trying to download Rachel and KO now and I have told my husband we don’t move an inch until this is done!
Candy Knight, well said and exactly, how do we get people to see that.
Eye on you……..perhaps check with Diva or Halcro. I’m pretty sure I saw it, just not sure where. or try Regina at palingates.
And for those reporters or journalists who may be reading this blog looking for insight and material on Scarah, please read this. Ask that these lies be questioned in interviews, no more puff pieces. Don’t let her say, “you’re not listening to me” don’t let her BS you! make her explain and go into detail, get more than talking points, press her!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html (all Scarah’s lies, with links to back them)
bea i am totally and complete disgusted with the media. we are not being served at all well by these folks. the public really need to wake up and demand better or walk with our tv remotes..b
Palin + spreadsheet = complete system crash. Just sayin’.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html
Andrew Sullivan’s article in the Atlantic monthly online about Sarah palin’s lies.
She has so many already, it is pathetic why 7/10 republicans would vote for her.
Good God, they are more dangerous then N Korea!
i got to run to docs.office. all well but too rushed to write coherently…b
After reading What’s the Matter with Kansas yesterday, this Obsidian Wings post succinctly rings the gong:
The ‘Crucifixion’ of Sarah Palin
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/
Quotes Ed Kilgore:
“And all the personality traits she later exhibited–the folksiness, the abrasive partisanship, the hostility towards the “media” and “elites,” the resentment of the establishment Republicans who tried to “manage” her, and the constant complaints of persecution–almost perfectly embodied the world-view, and the hopes and fears, of the grassroots Cultural Right. … Sarah Palin was the projection of these activists onto the national political scene, and exhibited the defiant pride and ill-disguised vulnerability that they would have felt in the same place. ”
Staggering off to press a pillow to my head to stop the reverberation… Ow! Getting up to speed hurts!
I too am trying to find the spread sheet for the costs of ethics complaints and info requests. Surely, since the State of Alaska charges relatively high fees for info requests, the spread sheet should show nearly zero for the net cost. Makes me wonder why the info requests would even be included in such a spread sheet. Though I suppose the legislature requests for info during their investigation of troopergate might be “cost” if the state can’t charge the state for info requests.
Diane Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:51 AM
Andrew Sullivan’s article in the Atlantic monthly online about Sarah palin’s lies.
She has so many already, it is pathetic why 7/10 republicans would vote for her.
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They are the low info voters, watching FOX. They’ll never know Palin lies like a rug.
Read a comment elsewhere about the Loon Speech that tickled me. “I’d pay to watch Palin milk a duck.”
SP’s “you’re not listening to me” moment to Andrea Mitchell, made me cringe. I felt the same feeling I had many years ago dealing with a relative with NPD. This individual would say that very thing constantly when defending herself and up against a wall. It’s a “gaslighting” defense mechanism used by individuals with NPD. In dictionary, “gaslighting”: It’s a form of psychological abuse. The abuser withholds factual information, providing false info to the subject, having the gradual effect of making the victim anxious, confused and less able to trust his/her own memory and perception.
Not saying this is the case here, but boy, when I read the defense mode in yesterday’s interviews (cnn, msnbc, fox), it brought back unhappy memories.
Canadian Neighbour Says “Did the Google guys come to Juneau to personally set up ScarrahPac on Google”
When I lived in Homer, Arnold Schwarzenegger, brought his private jet a few times GORGEOUS. Madonna was staying on a yacht just off the Spit. Celebs do come up every once in awhile. Tiger Woods, liked to golf in Kodiak.
rebekkah Says “SP’s “you’re not listening to me” moment to Andrea Mitchell, made me cringe.”
I LOVED THAT MOMENT!!! That right there is RAW Palin, bitchy as sin. Did you see a second later Palin pointing her finger like she was about to lose it…AHaHaHaHaHaHa.
antiAnti Says:
I too am trying to find the spread sheet for the costs of ethics complaints and info requests.
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Well the News Miner stated it was released, yet I have looked at all the most obvious places and cannot find it. I am curious as to where it was “released”.
I have looked at the Dept. of Finance page, the Governor’s page, Office of Management and Budget, the local newspapers, local blogs and cannot find it. It is odd that it would not be prominently displayed if she is touting it as proof of the overwhelming time and expense her office has incurred.
103 Bea Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:35 AM
2) No journalist has had the guts to mention that the complaints that were dismissed were handled by her hand-picked Personnel Board.
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Just to clear this up, Palin did not appoint anyone on the current Personnel Board, but she did reconfirm one.
http://tinyurl.com/akpersonnelboard
However, according to AS 39.25.060, Palin does have the right to remove a member of the Personnel Board “only for a cause.”
rebekkah Says “SP’s “you’re not listening to me” moment to Andrea Mitchell, made me cringe”
LOVED IT, pure Palin RAW. That is the way she rolls, DO NOT QUESTION ME. Did ya see right after her pointing her finger in the air as if commanding a dog to sit down & shut up?
This spreadsheet release is BS. From Associated Press site to newsminer to AK gov site to everywhere else, all it is is figures her office released believing they would prop up her spew of crap to the media. The media has been stupid enough to fall for it.
mo @ 111 regarding “What’s the Matter with Kansas”
Isn’t that an incredible book? It should be one of the background readings for even trying to understand the cult of Palin. It makes the rise of someone LIKE HER very predictable. LIKE HER is critical. It has nothing to do with anything unique she brought to the table. She is a pretty tool, able to keep spitting out the talking points and deflecting truth whenever it gets close to her. She “sells” the ide that has been being built up since the early 90′s.
The political ground that grew that Palin mega-weed is the concern more than she is. SHE was bound to happen- a type of “Hail Mary” for that movement. They found themselves a gullible, mental light weight that has no self-respect or understanding of anything. She uses the evangelical code words without knowing what the true Christian meanings are.
She is a means to an end for the fundamentalists who are quickly seeing their leaders fall. She is their last chance and all hands are on that whacko deck to make sure she can get through that damn door she keeps asking God about.
OK, rant over. I think Rachel and KO are downloaded now so I can listen away as we enjoy the “other side” of Washington State.
antiAnti Says:
I too am trying to find the spread sheet for the costs of ethics complaints and info requests.
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ADN & Juneau Empire had it. JE being one to first publish it. The publish about a week ago.
Remember how Sarah asked department heads for news that she could then put into Twitter?
Then she added that she only wanted to hear GOOD news?
Well, now I suspect she put the word out to all department heads to send her their estimate of the time and money spent on scum-sucking, liberal operative generated, left-wing conspiracy, Obama funded ethics complaints.
Oh, and only bad news please!
I am so sick of Buttercup that I post this for comic relief. Seems that Barack Obama is not the only one with pesky fly issues….but he is so cool!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/the-great-swat-off-obama_n_227717.html
My favorite bits from Joanne in the ADS (with slight cuts and adjustments for my own amusement):
(Shannyn) got her thoughts posted on the Huffington Post, got her own local radio show and even finds herself persona grata on MSNBC!
Ordinarily, when I watch another human being in such obvious distress, I feel compassion and pity. Not this time.
Now she’s… scared to death because Sarah Palin has… threatened the possibility of a lawsuit…
(Shannyn’s) offense? Well… the Palins are under investigation by the FBI. The FBI…emphatically denied any investigation or plans for… any of the little Palins.
Shannyn’s defense? She states she just reported a rumor.
Well, in an attempt to continue Ms. Moore’s… fame, I’ve decided to tell you the rumors I heard about Ms. Moore today. (And to establish my own 5th grade ‘mean girl’ creds.)
I heard Shannyn is under investigation for abusing puppies. I heard she was arrested twice in high school – once for stealing Girl Scout cookies and the next time for robbing a Salvation Army kettle. I heard the police record kept her from being allowed to compete in the “Miss Homer” contest and she cried for a month.
I heard… she has plans for getting a book deal and continuing her radio show, but really hopes to become a regular on MSNBC.
Of course, these are all just things I’ve heard… I haven’t bothered to try and verify any of them. But, I sincerely hope Shannyn incurs no more legal expense then the Palins have. What is that (defense fund) up to now? Half a million?
Wolf Pack Says
ADN & Juneau Empire had it. JE being one to first publish it. The publish about a week ago.
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We may be talking about two different things. I am looking for the spreadsheet that Palin says she released that shows the breakdown of the hours spent on all these requests & complaints, not just a list of the ethics complaints themselves.
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/07/palins-office-details-complaint-costs/
ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Sarah Palin’s office has released a nearly $2 million cost breakdown detailing what the resigning Alaska governor says the state has paid tackling ethics complaints against her.
The spreadsheet compiled by the governor’s office totals more than $1.9 million reportedly spent by various state agencies to handle the complaints as well as public records requests.
I’ve had it! I just “unfollowed” Buttercup on Twitter – she is a moron. She seems intent on getting more and more publicity. I’m done participating in her charade.
Lol, do you like my MySpace page? Unicorns and Rob Zombie…oh my!
http://www.myspace.com/486256231
Suchanut Says “I’ve had it! I just “unfollowed” Buttercup on Twitter – she is a moron. She seems intent on getting more and more publicity. I’m done participating in her charade.”
ROTFFLaughing Palin IS losing her freakin mind by the hour!!!
Today,try this: “Act in accordance to your conscience -risk- by pursuing larger vision in opposition to popular, powerful pressure”-unknown
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry
Wolf Pack,
You are referring to the numbers ADN posted of the Personnel Board totalling $286,000. EyeOnYou in comment #127 has copied article referring to the spreadsheet of some $2 million breakdown
oregonbird, I saw that…and I wanted to say (not signed up there, though) to this person, “So, you are anti-first amendment, you support harassing private citizens who ask for accountability from our elected officials, and you aren’t interested in facts, but rather vote based from your “gut”. Let me guess. Bush voter? We see how that worked out.”
EyeOnYou Says “The spreadsheet compiled by the governor’s office totals more than $1.9 million reportedly spent by various state agencies to handle the complaints as well as public records requests.”
Wait, if they are claiming fees/debt for record requests then why are they charging Celtic thousandths to cover costs?
When she says “You’re not listening to me,” the answer is “YES, I AM listening to you but you MAKE NO SENSE! Are you on drugs or did your perscription run out?” Andrea Mitchell missed out.
I’m hoping the straight jacket or handcuff people take her away and the psycho parts of the right finally get it.
Canadian Neighbour, are you doing better today?
Anybody up there wondering about who pays for Tank Jones to nanny/bodyguard Levi Johnston 24/7-
Curious isn’t it?
nswfm CA Says “When she says “You’re not listening to me,” the answer is “YES, I AM listening to you but you MAKE NO SENSE! Are you on drugs or did your perscription run out?” Andrea Mitchell missed out.”
Hehehehe, if only someone would say this to her face.
Isabella Says
Wait, if they are claiming fees/debt for record requests then why are they charging Celtic thousandths to cover costs?
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Good question and one of the reasons I as well as others would like to see this spreadsheet.
tabseattle Says “Anybody up there wondering about who pays for Tank Jones to nanny/bodyguard Levi Johnston 24/7-
Curious isn’t it?”
Rex pays him, who pays Rex? Betcha pro bono or commission or for the sheer free publicity.
Can we just send x-GINO to Russia
Maybe she’ll get a new perspective
of the US from there
Morning AKM Mudpups…Picked up some comments last nite on the blog sightthought you might enjoy a good laugh.. 1-Obama adm. has gone after this “good woman” with no holds barred..You will all be sorry for the hateyou were led to repeat..Sheep is what you are.. sheeeeessh these peeps are nuts..lmbo Went to the web sight (L,S, ) assumimg theirs..I can see why they are so jealous Sarah…ha ha Time to go after these (3) especially 2 woman who keep repeating, find out what is in their closet…Sarah’s followers, aren’t they pathetic, who woulda thunk!!!!
I’d like to see that spreadsheet also. I think they are including document requests during presidential campaign. When all the news outlets where trying to find out who she is and what she has accomplished.
It is crazy that they went from less than $ 300,000 to $ 1.9 million. But the press is reporting the $ 1.9 million as if it is Gospel.
Isabella,
We’re doing fine.
I have the homecare agency scrambling for a competent homecare person who I have to interview.
“But we don’t allow our clients to interview”.
Well I won’t give you notice to get your rabies shot before I bite!!!
At least CNN stated something true……..and my my how awful for those ethics complaints to actually have teeth, they actually proved something and the governor actually was forced to take action.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.resignation/
“Palin thought she would stop being a “lightning rod” once she returned to Alaska, but “it never really did simmer down,” Van Flein said. Ethics complaints from critics led to her paying back taxes on state per diem funds she received while living at her home in Wasilla, outside Anchorage; another investigation led to her paying about $8,100 in travel expenses for her children.”
Wolf Pack Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 8:45 AM
I’d like to see that spreadsheet also. I think they are including document requests during presidential campaign. When all the news outlets where trying to find out who she is and what she has accomplished.
It is crazy that they went from less than $ 300,000 to $ 1.9 million. But the press is reporting the $ 1.9 million as if it is Gospel.
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That’s what I believe too but want to see the offset of all the fees they charged since they starting out quoting $12-$15 million for info/document requests. Even CD’s was $65,000 to start then she changed the criteria and it dropped down to the $5500+
Gov Off has sent out info about a spreadsheet but without providing any back-up. Just spewed the numbers — Don’t Buy It!!!
Problem with press is that they always bury the correction later and no one sees it.
Enjay in E.MT Says:
Can we just send x-GINO to Russia
Maybe she’ll get a new perspective
of the US from there
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One of the first things I saw about GINO was a video done by CNN where in one of the villages on the coast, they spoke to some adults and kids who had never seen Palin in their village. In the video, a gentleman was throwing green garbage bags into the water which would drift to the Russian side due to the current. I’m game to toss her!!!
Wolf Pack Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Problem with press is that they always bury the correction later and no one sees it.
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Sorry, I should have included that within the article that they noted the initial quotes of $12-$15 million, they did set out that the costs were eventually dropped down but still remained in the thousands. It also listed that there was at least 13 applications made by various networks and papers for copies of the emails. These requests were submitted last fall and they have yet to be released even though fees have to be paid up front.
I apologize if this was already posted– but an Alaskan friend shared this link with me, and it breaks down the costs very well.
http://www.henkimaa.com/2009/07/07/the-2-million-dollar-meme/
Canadian Neighbour Says “We’re doing fine.
I have the homecare agency scrambling for a competent homecare person who I have to interview.
“But we don’t allow our clients to interview”.
Well I won’t give you notice to get your rabies shot before I bite!!!”
Love your grit!!! There is no option but to take charge demanding respect and proper care attendants for your mother. We all have to be cautious to choose our battles but you have gone far beyond being considerate.
You need a little sht whacker
My niece at 5 yrs old was in Seattle when some crazy woman came up to her, derelict, ranting about the butterfly wand the girl had in her hand. The butterfly broke off & her dad told her it was better cause now the stick was a little sht whacker and if anyone gave her grief she could smack them with it…not promoting violence yet she did stop crying her toy broke.
why does Levi Johnson have a bodygard?
Attn: No more politic as usual per Sarah Palin
To all elected Governor’s / President’s who do not plan on running again/2Nd term ( president’s) needs to resign so your not a lame duck, you know that I know that’s what you are. Bush should of resigned half way Thur his last year in office instead of wasting tax payer’s money. According to Buttercup when a President who is in 2Nd term should just resign a year and a half early. Also the VP, Sec Of State etc. Well heck they all should just Abort the whitehouse. What’s the big deal ? What a idiot.
Say no to PIP
This quote from Van Flea was what shouted out to me from that article on CNN that you linked.
WTF, she can’t do 2 and a half years as gov of AK, but thinks she can cope with the pressure of being the Pres of the US? Pffftt!
“The governor needed a break after being “on duty now for two and a half years solid,” he said.
While sitting in the AM traffic jam, I wondered. . . does Sean Parnell have a little calender next to his bed, where, with glee and delight, he checks off each day as he moves closer & closer to that big corner office. . . .and then I wondered, when Parnell becomes governor, he will be THE Dude (as opposed to 2nd Dude) so what will Mrs. Parnell (if there is one) be called: First Dudette? And will Todd be forever known as the former 1st Dude. . .
With Palin as an angry grandma, he SHOULD have a body guard. Remember the harassment Trooper Wooten received? I’m sure Todd would be huntin’ down Levi to twist his arm into NOT publishing a tell-all book.
Canadian Neighbour Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:10 AM
The stories all over the place that GINO’s office released the details of the complaints costs, all refer to a spreadsheet — Where is it. Not one article shows it. The stories all just refer to numbers given by the office. This is no different than her ad nauseam spew of numbers. But then, seeing a spreadsheet from her office doesn’t mean it’s truthful either.
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/07/palins-office-details-complaint-costs/
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I’ve looked too! Its just like when Diva’s complaint was dismissed and they said a PDF had been sent to the media and I searched high and low and didn’t find it! THEY LIE!
According to the echo chamber all of us “lefties” keep a copy of the playbook at our bedside whether we admit it or not!
I think mine got lost in the mail too!
Yes lets start using buttercup’s playbook…shall we?
“why does Levi Johnson have a bodygard?”
Because Wooten warned him to. . .?
My apologies if this has already been posted. New post from Margaret & Helen
http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/sarah-palin-called-a-family-meeting-and-the-rabbit-lived/#comment-28312
Also, too, samper isn’t the only one to have lost his copy of the playbook. Where the heck did Van Flein come up with that one? Shannyn’s rumor I had heard before, but in the absence of anything to back it up, I can only presume the playbook and ethics complaint conspiracy he speaks about came out of his backside. I think some of his client’s crazy is rubbing off on him.
Wolf Pack, I’d like to see the spreadsheet, too. But from her own comments in the article, she is including the wages of people the state would have to pay anyway, whether or not they were working on ethics complaints or information requests, which makes it inaccurate from the get-go. There apparently has been no compilation of numbers showing the total of ADDITIONAL costs the state has incurred related to these items. The woman should have taken a few management and cost accounting classes at those numerous colleges she attended.
Her new twit; you have to sacrifice to win.
Quitting means you are NOT willing to sacrifice to do the f-ing job.
Thank goodness somebody is speaking truth to power in the blogshpere
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
The Reason She Matters
I’m getting lots of emails telling me to move on. I will. But I want to explain why I think the Palin drama is actually important. It’s not because of her: she’s a delusional, narcissistic and disturbed person who would be voted off a reality show in the first rounds. It’s because of John McCain, the Republican establishment and the mainstream media. What happened last fall was a warning sign to all of us about how corrupt and cynical the GOP, McCain and the MSM are. They colluded in such a way that this unstable, erratic, know-nothing beauty queen could actually have been president of the United States. What matters is that all those in on this scam be exposed and their way of conducting themselves be reformed until they stop risking the fate of the country and the world on their own vanities and cowardice.
McCain knew full well that Palin was unqualified to be commander-in-chief at this period of time; and he knew there was no way she could ever learn enough to do the job. So his decision to pick her was pure cynicism and irresponsibility. The MSM knew full well that there were very serious questions about this unknown person’s background, lies, mental stability, and secrecy – but they were so terrified of being called biased they refused to do the proper vetting.
Someone with some time should go through every quote from Van Flea, pinpoint what he isn’t saying.
from the CNN write up………catch the key phrase “”that I am aware of”", LOL, that covers a lot.
No legal “bombshell” or personal scandal lies behind Palin’s resignation, but off-color jokes by talk-show host David Letterman contributed to her decision to step down, Thomas Van Flein said.
The governor needed a break after being “on duty now for two and a half years solid,” he said.
“There is no bombshell. There is no shoe to drop. There are no investigations of any type that I’m aware of — no IRS audit, no federal investigation, no state investigation,” Van Flein told CNN. “There is no legal reason in terms of a legal problem that compelled the governor to resign.”
Friday was “deliberately chosen” for the announcement because of its proximity to the July Fourth holiday, Van Flein said: “She declared her independence from politics as usual.”
Hmmmm…this post has brought up another question I’ve never heard addressed. If the question of statehood had been voted upon to the satisfaction of all Alaskans and Alaska had declined, Alaska would still not be a separate country; it would just be a parcel of land owned by the United States. Except without representation, pork, Medicare, Post Office, etc., any say in how its resources are used, or any of the $$ from the sale of its resources.
Right? Or not?
uneconomic? Palin just said that
Morning Mudpups!
From Andrea Mitchel this am:
AM: Now that you have made these very big decisions what are you going to do next?
SP: “Ah,Well I look forward to after handling the reigns over a smooth transition of “POWER” to Sean Parnel our Lieutenant Governor in the next few weeks…….”
Then “After I was “TAPPED” for VP”…….
Her vernacular just kills me, the key words she uses over and over again is sure a pattern.
160@ Cynthia ,Tx… Really good read…Thx…:))
Shannyn Moore just won the Wings of Justice Award!!! She is in very classy company, too.
http://www.wingsofjustice.com/
To Palin I say………..SUCK IT UP, BUTTERCUP!!
Yes, I think we should all drop Sullivan a note of thanks and encourage him to bring it on! From Cynthia’s post above.
“What matters is that all those in on this scam be exposed and their way of conducting themselves be reformed until they stop risking the fate of the country and the world on their own vanities and cowardice.”
Dowd on Palin and Narcissism
Sarah Palin showed on Friday that in one respect at least, she is qualified to be president.
Caribou Barbie is one nutty puppy.
Usually we don’t find that exquisite battiness in our leaders until they’ve been battered by sordid scandals like Watergate (Nixon), gnawing problems like Vietnam (L.B.J.), or scary threats like biological terrorism (Cheney).
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“Several told me, independently of one another,” Purdum writes, “that they had consulted the definition of ‘narcissistic personality disorder’ in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders — ‘a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy’ — and thought it fit her perfectly.”
The White House can drive its inhabitants loopy. So at least Sarah Palin is ahead of the curve on that one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05dowd.html
ValleyIndependent said: “The woman should have taken a few management and cost accounting classes at those numerous colleges she attended.”
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You know good and darned well she would have flunked them unless her winkin’ garnered her points with the profs.
Thanks for the heads up on Margaret and Helen.
It’s like McCain came up to a group of people and played duck duck goose and he stopped at Sarah and she was TAPPED to run for vice president.
UK Lady, I’m with you and the others who have commented on this:
“The governor needed a break after being “on duty now for two and a half years solid,” he said.”
If she couldn’t do more than two and a half years, she shouldn’t have signed up for a job with a four year term. Somebody should remind her the presidency is also a four year term.
The other problem with his statement should be obvious to the legislature, the people in some of the hardest hit villages, and many of the rest of us. Those “Where’s Sarah” buttons were created for a reason.
Helen could eat Buttercup for lunch….but could do more damage in her power chair!!
True that, TBNTJudy. Maybe I need a refresher on that logic course she never took in the first place.
The Rubber Room Hotel Says “Then “After I was “TAPPED” for VP”……”
A McCain relationship Freudian slip or her only claim to credit cause if it is the first EWWWWWW and if it is the second McCain is the LEAST favorite Republican right now so dropping his “Name” won’t get her a nomination again or even a free mocha @ Starbucks.
Lol, Palin’s sisters must be heating up the phone lines at how stupid she is making herself after all the times, Palin tried to one up them.
Greytdog Δ Says “While sitting in the AM traffic jam, I wondered. . . does Sean Parnell have a little calender next to his bed, where, with glee and delight, he checks off each day as he moves closer & closer to that big corner office”
Yes he does :0
Richard Cohen wrote this….
“Naming Palin to the GOP ticket — a top-down choice by McCain — was the most reckless decision any national politician has made in the longest time, and while it certainly says something about McCain, it says even more about his party. It has lost its mind. “
Re: Sarah’s twitter of : ” Today,try this: “Act in accordance to your conscience -risk- by pursuing larger vision in opposition to popular, powerful pressure”-unknown ”
You can’t attribute it to “unknown” if it’s not an actual quote for goodness sake. no reason for the quotation marks cuz you’re paraphrasing. AND! what the hell? “today, try this” ?? Argh!
And paraphrasing Kennedy no less!
And Medvedev responded to Obama: The way things are going in Alaska, looks like maybe the Russians got the better end of the deal.
reposting this because it was at the bottom of the last page!
I apologize if this was already posted– but an Alaskan friend shared this link with me, and it breaks down the costs very well.
http://www.henkimaa.com/2009/07/07/the-2-million-dollar-meme/
has anyone taken a look at this? to whom should we send this?
Good question, NMJ. Would we still be a territory or our own country? I have that same question about the Texas succession Perry has threatened, too.
@Cynthia Tx: I was gobsmacked by the photo of BillO and Coulter as I was scrolling to the Sullivan article you referenced. Could two people ever be scarier looking?
President Obama is so sweet, such an articulate and thoughtful gentleman, even takes his wife out on wonderful dates. Still a breath of fresh air.
Has Palin’s most recent AG appointment been confirmed by the legislature? Does the AG have a place in the line of succession to governor in Alaska?
Something tells me it’s going to be a wild three weeks with Palin’s last hurrah, the legislature (our slight hope of having some checks and balances) out of session–and everyone else out fishing.
What’s the deal with her resigning and then making appointments?
Maybe Palin’s trying to teach Karl Rove a thing or two about partisan tactics?!
SP “it has perplexed me we have sat down with many reporters and we have SHOWN them how it has cost thousands and thousands in state time and MILLIONS of dollars in state resources to continually fend off these frivolous ridiculous waist full ethics violations”
Seem to me nobody can actually see the numbers just yours and ADN’s say so Sarah.
@TBNTJudy
scare the crap out of you and I am sorry Coulter looks like a man.
not that sarah Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:24 AM
reposting this because it was at the bottom of the last page!
I apologize if this was already posted– but an Alaskan friend shared this link with me, and it breaks down the costs very well.
http://www.henkimaa.com/2009/07/07/the-2-million-dollar-meme/
has anyone taken a look at this? to whom should we send this?
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send to EVERYONE!
Someone wander by that cafe and see 1) if Sarah’s paid for those coffees yet and 2) if the partisan counterperson is still employed.
Too good to Not Pass On – from the Urban Dictionary
July 8: Sarah Palin Effect
The principal that expertise on a certain subject can be gained through geographical proximity to it.
For example: **Gov. of Alaska, Sarah Palin, is a proclaimed expert on foreign affairs with Russia due to Alaska`s proximity to Russia and can thus be called the “Sarah Palin Effect” **
not that sarah Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:01 AM
I apologize if this was already posted– but an Alaskan friend shared this link with me, and it breaks down the costs very well.
henkimaa.com/2009/07/07/the-2-million-dollar-meme
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I’ve seen that link posted numerous times and it’s info we know already. It sets out in a more extensive explanation regarding the ethics complaints using the numbers that were included in the ADN article from last week of the costs to the Personnel Board.
Has no reference to an article posted stating a speadsheet was put out from Gov’s office setting out costs from the Department of Law for approx $850,000, and supposed breakdown of hours they’ve spent together with costs of public records requests.
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/07/palins-office-details-complaint-costs/
last part of Andrew Sullivan blog post on Palin
“The reason we need to get to the truth of what happened is that these people nearly took this country off a cliff. They need to be held accountable. They need to be removed from their positions of power. We cannot move on until they are. And John McCain should retire from public life. After that decision, nothing he says can be taken seriously on the national or international stage.”
“The United States purchased Alaska in 1867 for 7.2 million dollars in gold after the government of Russia’s Tsar Alexander II determined it was losing money on the colony.”
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Wait a minute! Glenn Beck said we bought Alaska in the 1950′s in order to drill for oil. You liberals need to get your facts straight.
And we are supposed to believe all the complaints were frivolous? Each one costing on average $ 126,000.
I don’t buy the numbers.
Thinking out loud again…maybe Palin quit because it became common knowledge from the recent e-mails about Todd’s association with AIP. Could Palin ever be in the White House with a husband that was a member of the AIP??? Seems like the answer would be no. So, she’s quitting now because finishing the term would not serve her purpose of being in power. Just making money for someone else. But, then, that doesn’t sound like Palin at all.
Palin was tense during the resignation speech, and I heard one body language expert on TV (don’t know, but MSNBC methinks), say that Palin was mad by the veins in her neck when saying key words. I do not believe she planned on quitting when she did because she was looking toward Washington, DC. Maybe she called Cheney to complain about the emails and Cheney said, Suck It Up, Buttercup!!!!
Great post from Helen Philpott. Thanks, Valley Independent. I’ve been waiting days for that one. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
I just love what Andrew Sullivan writes!
“08 Jul 2009 01:54 pm
The Reason She Matters, Ctd
A tsunami of emails keeps arriving telling me to stay on the Palin story, and agreeing with what I wrote here. All I can say is that I will keep asking until we get answers that can be verified, checked and make sense. And when we do, I intend to hold every single person responsible for this farce accountable for every last ounce of it. If you do not like this, read another blog. But we will continue, of course, to cover many other issues – climate change, Iran, healthcare reform, civil rights, the recession, Pet Shop Boys albums, bored cats, and other vital matters. ”
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It does matter and everyone should be held accountable for this horrific decision and Alaskans I ask again why was Palin picked to be your governor?
Heads-up for womanwithsardinecan:
You posted over @ Progressive Alaska yesterday, @ 5:59 PM…“I tried to email that meme story to Andrea Mitchell so she could get her “facts” straight, but her supposed email address bounces back.”
I sent an e-mail to AM yesterday, about 15 minutes later, w-w-s-c with Mel Green’s URL on the story.
Palin quit so she could make some new appointments while the legislature is not in session and everyone else is out fishing.
Eyeonyou and Isabella—Palin has lumped two different sets of expenses together and MISLABELS them “ethics expenses” when they are actually expenses to respond to record requests and expenses relating to ethics violations. Palin said in one of the TV interviews that the expenses covered time going over documents to see what will should be released.
These are two different expenses. And yes, the state charges the requester for expenses related to record requests, so those expenses are reimbursed and not a net expense to the state. This is very misleading and not one “reporter” researched this and knew the difference (or was afraid to raise the issue).
Furthermore, as many people here have noted, Palin incorrectly states the information about the ethics violations being dismissed and no one seems to research this or ask her to clarify. They all take her at her word, to the peril of the public.
As we’ve all said, the MSM is in epic fail mode and the public is paying the price.
Maybe we should send Andrew Sullivan and Maureen Dowd (and who else? wonkette, Brad Blog?) the correct information.
Cynthia, you nailed it! She was McCain’s choice, and he should be held accountable. Someone mentioned that it’s time McCain to appear on Letterman again and explain himself. Jon Stewart can be tough on McCain, also, and would not be likely to cut him a break.
But there’s more. Sarah is so swelled with her own self-importance that she cannot see what her limitations are. OK, she’s pushing through doors, but there is an admiring crowd out there, worshiping her without questioning her abilities. They are fueling this adoration by donating to her PAC and fund. We see her as some one who has become famous for being famous, a la Paris Hilton. She is good at working the media, playing the victim, and selectively attacking people for the publicity it generates. She has natural instincts when it comes to seeing the spotlight. (So does a moth).
That word salad quote regarding handing over the reins of power is so mixed up! Every person who posts here can write (or say) a better sentence.
There will be those who will cash in on Sarah’s marketing abilities– to sell a book, give a speech, maybe a radio or TV thing, attract money, stir a crowd to a frenzy. There are already people on Fox with no talent, no knowledge, venom to spare, lies to spread and an adoring public. A perfect place for Sarah.
The thing that is so scary is that she doesn’t even hear how it sounds: “I’m not a quitter, I’m a fighter,” while her actions show quitting instead of fighting. The same way that she didn’t check the mirror to see that her skirt was too short for a memorial to dead soldiers, that bright red beach sandals might not be appropriate for a state function. She does not hear what she’s saying. “I have decided not to seek a second term. And, oh by the way, I’m quitting now.” You see, if you’re quitting right now, you don’t need to say anything about a 2nd term; there is none.
There is a bright spot for me, since I am a David Letterman fan. His writers once joked that they needed someone like George W Bush in the White House to make their job easy. No doubt about it; Sarah Palin is the Gift that Keeps on Giving. I’d be laughing more if the thought of her in any important political office wasn’t so frightening.
way to go huffpo! just think this is what Scarah has to look forward to………they’re gonna keep an ever watchful eye out on who she’s pallin around with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/sen-johnny-isaksons-shady_n_227428.html
Just for fun, the Huffington Post decided Tuesday night to crash a dinner party for Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.). It was one of many fundraisers happening every day for different politicians around town. The event’s location was listed on the Sunlight Foundation’s website, http://www.politicalpartytime.org, as a townhouse just a few blocks from the U.S. Capitol.
This just occurred to me as I was in my garden pulling weeds – Sarah’s latest escapade “pickin’ fish” to show that she is like “reg’lar folks” reminded me of GWB when he was “clearin’ brush” on his ranch just like folks. I guess she’s done with the “parade walkin’” and whirlwind European “tour” to show how she could be JUST LIKE Pres. Obama and is now going to replay W’s top ten folksy moments.
I wonder if she’s ever had an original thought in her head.
Cynthia TX @ 191
When McCain put his hat in the ring to run, Hager (I think that’s him) (fundalmentist) endorsed him publicity. And McCain was glad, but then he said he would not accept the endorsement. And I watched McCain on a video at a function with Hager saying great things about Hager. That’s probably why Palin was picked…keeping it in the family.
Cynthia, TX Says “It does matter and everyone should be held accountable for this horrific decision and Alaskans I ask again why was Palin picked to be your governor?”
I voted for her in the govs election because the commercial fishermen in the family said Tony Knowles screwed them over and at that time we still had hella IFQs to fish.
anon blogger Says “When McCain put his hat in the ring to run, Hager (I think that’s him) (fundalmentist) endorsed him publicity. And McCain was glad, but then he said he would not accept the endorsement. And I watched McCain on a video at a function with Hager saying great things about Hager. That’s probably why Palin was picked…keeping it in the family.”
ALSO TOO.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/29/mccain-to-meet-billy-grah_n_109814.html
Once McCain was picked to run, I found a website all about McCain. I think that name of it was Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain. It had everything you would want to know from veterans. There were videos of former military dissing McCain. It had copies of messages and records.
For Sarah to reflect on today:
“Politics is like football; if you see daylight, go through the hole.”
JFK also said:
A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.
John F. Kennedy
More JFK:
The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
Do you realize the responsibility I carry? I’m the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House.
For the AIP and the Teabagging crowd so worried about America:
Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both.
So if the Alaska legislature has to do a mid-summer fishing and hunting vacation emergency session to deal with succession confirmations and they all had their July 4th weekend discombobulated by her “unexpected” resignation that was “actually planned a long time ago”…..
HOW IS THAT NOT JUST PLAIN SARAH GETTING EVEN WITH THEM as only she has the character to do? Ergo the big smile caught on her face by that camera shot as she walks away from her “higher calling resignation” presser.
Plain and Sarah simple explanation for the timing. What esle fits?
@isabella,
totally get your point of view on that. I am not a commercial fisherman or understand anything associated with it.
But, I will say that I have watched a couple of times the debates between her and the other candidates and just still don’t get what made people vote for her. She never answered most of the questions, she spun most of the answers like a carnival ride at the state fair. To me it was clear that someone like Andrew Halcro made much more since. Am I wrong on my thinking there?
here is AndrewSullivan’s email addy if you’d like to thank him for helping expose republican shams and cover ups, one being our Buttercup Scarah.
andrew@theatlantic.com
Shannyn Moore has been awarded the “Wings of Justice Award” per Gryphen’s blog today. Couldn’t have been bestowed more appropriately!!!
#179 not that sarah, thanks for reposting that link. That’s by far the best write up on the costs of records requests/ethics complaints I’ve seen yet. This kind of information needs to be not just on Huff Po, where it’s preaching to the choir, but where the soon-to-be-ex-gov’s rabid fans will see it.
I have to agree with one of Dowd’s commenters that said that continuing to do snark pieces without addressing the reasons why her fans love her really doesn’t help the cause. Her fans love the illusion of Sarah, and except for being anti-choice, even I like the illusion of Sarah. Who wouldn’t? Wouldn’t it have been great if she had turned out to be the wonderful things they said she was and if what she’s claimed as accomplishments had really happened? We just need to keep putting those pesky facts out there wherever we see the false claims.
LiladyNY Says “I wonder if she’s ever had an original thought in her head.”
I bet she thought getting KNOCKED UP by Todd so he would have to marry her was original.
Mitchell had an expanded version of her interview today on MSNBC—try to find it later. SP was running on and on; another crazy running of the mouth. Disses McCain staffers, continues the “lame duck” crap, won’t name who she might campaign for–but there are “a lot of good people out there”.
Sure, Sarah…..
Cynthia Tx, if you haven’t already, you should read Margaret and Helen’s take on Coulter. Priceless… And, yes, she does look like a man.
UK Lady 153
“The governor needed a break after being “on duty now for two and a half years solid,” [van Flein] said.
Sounds like van Flein secretly despises Sarah and evey so often that peeks out.
Isabella @204 That really doesn’t surprise me in the least. Methinks they have a lot in common; but not what you might think. Google is a wonderful tool.
AP story in today’s Oregonian puts cost of Palin ethics investigations at $2 mil. Source for $ figure is, “Office of the Governor”. Article does nothing to challenge this figure and reports it as fact.
Sarah fleeced most of Alaskans, now most of them know it.
Riverside, I totally agree with you and I’m sure the legislature see’s it too. I hope they give her one last rake over the coals and fail to seat him, lol……let’s do that one again shall we?
She also gave one last world wide media slap in the face to Celtic Diva when she appeared for the Time interview wearing a shirt sporting the company logo that the Palin’s sell their fish to. Nice little parting fish slap.
She is an underhanded, scheming vindictive person. She isn’t done slamming or manipulating people I’m sure.
In fact now she’ll be doing more arm twisting in the state of Alaska to get what the big guys on the outside want. That’s what she means by helping from the outside, and “you’ll see”. That’s why when she explains to those close to her they understand this makes perfect sense. Her hands are more tied being governor, by oversight, by doing the day to day duties…….now she can go for all out court press on things like pebblemine, progressing and polluting Alaska. She’ll lobby for things like that, she’ll take donations and raise money towards those goals. Gah
LisanTX Says:
Eyeonyou and Isabella—Palin has lumped two different sets of expenses together and MISLABELS them “ethics expenses” when they are actually expenses to respond to record requests and expenses relating to ethics violations. Palin said in one of the TV interviews that the expenses covered time going over documents to see what will should be released.
These are two different expenses.
They all take her at her word, to the peril of the public.
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I apologize for jumping in but we are aware that the combining is wrong, but it is to see how they have broken it out as they have mentioned the Department of Law for $850,000 – which represents what?
The fact that an article mentions a spreadsheet, it is the attempt to find it and not having to rely on a generalized posted article and any verbal statements. Within the article they mention the public records requests but nowhere do they mention the receipt of the fees received from the various corporate or individuals who have requested same which should in fact wash but doubt the speadsheet would show that.
When you are dealing with a habitual liar, you don’t depend of what falls out of their mouth. To depend on the articles posted – you are therefore depending on those you have already said — they aren’t speaking the truth.
As to the reporting on the ethics complaints filed, I posted yesterday surprisingly that CNN reported 15 filed and 12 dismissed. That was the more truthful that I’ve heard from MSM.
Cynthia, TX Says “I will say that I have watched a couple of times the debates between her and the other candidates and just still don’t get what made people vote for her.”
Her looks. I know that is a joke around the word right now but when we were voting the old codgers were commenting on her legs. Palin, barely won BTW. Had Andrew Halcro stepped out Tony would have gained his 9% and took the governors seat.
Another good post on Why It Matters on Andrew Sullivan’s blog:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-reason-she-matters-ctd-1.html#more
anon blogger Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Thinking out loud again…maybe Palin quit because it became common knowledge from the recent e-mails about Todd’s association with AIP. Could Palin ever be in the White House with a husband that was a member of the AIP???
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Seems like a more direct solution would be to dump the husband, then.
190 Canadian Neighbour Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:38 AM
henkimaa.com/2009/07/07/the-2-million-dollar-meme
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I’ve seen that link posted numerous times and it’s info we know already. It sets out in a more extensive explanation regarding the ethics complaints using the numbers that were included in the ADN article from last week of the costs to the Personnel Board.
Has no reference to an article posted stating a speadsheet was put out from Gov’s office setting out costs from the Department of Law for approx $850,000, and supposed breakdown of hours they’ve spent together with costs of public records requests.
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/07/palins-office-details-complaint-costs/
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The henkimaa article is good, but only at the end addresses generically SP’s justification for her 2 mil figure.
The newsminer article is an AP reprint and is the closest thing to detail I’ve seen, but woefully inadequate. If Obama came out with these numbers about health care expenses, people would not just accept them, so neither should we.
So AKns, start e-mailing her and ask her to post it on the gov. site.
In the meantime, I may not have a spreadsheet, but I do have a calculator and a BRAIN and the $850,00 plus the $425,000 adds up to $1,275,000. Even if you add the $300,000 from the personnel board, that still = not quite 1.6 mil.
Surely, the only people really able to judge whether a claim is frivilous or not are lawyers, yes? So what, other than yes some additional administrative duties, was SP having her staff spending their time doing for 6000 hours? How does the records search request even fit into it, as most of the 15 or 18 whatever ethics complaints didn’t even, as far as I know, require them? (And, as we have seen, are generally chardged to the person making the request, QED not an expense to the state!)
Aren’t the folks at the Dept. of Law paid their salaries anyway? Weren’t they just doing their jobs for Alaska citizens, like they’re supposed to? How exactly did it ‘cost’ the state of AK that $850,000 she says the DOL ‘spent’ on ‘frivolous’ ethics charges?
You deserve answers to these questions. And yes, it is annoying to see the 2 mil meme being repeated as fact.
If it is true, Sarah should have no difficulty, or hesitation, about making that information public.
If this has already been posted, please excuse me.
Ian, a wholly exceptional young man and the son of Lani formerly Bash Budweiser, one of our admins, is competing for a Netroots scholarship. As you all know, AKM and almost certainly Shannyn will be on their way to Pittsburgh in August. It would be wonderful if Ian was also going.
If you’d care to, please vote for Mudpup, Jr. here:
http://democracyforamerica.com/netroots_nation_scholarships/609-ian
You can find the Forum thread here:
http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,7518.0.html
the problem child #225
“…dump the husband, then.” ROFLOL
Largo Says “AP story in today’s Oregonian puts cost of Palin ethics investigations at $2 mil. Source for $ figure is, “Office of the Governor”. Article does nothing to challenge this figure and reports it as fact.”
Oregonian is as bad as ADN
Are you in Oregon?
I use to live in Silverton, Oregon. I knew Stu from way bacl always thought he was way strange. He had a working jail cell in his basement with toilet and everything. Came across this a couple months ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwD6mjsZveI
Hi AK! Don’t know if anyone has posted this yet (I’m at work and can’t go through all the comments) but you got a shout out – of sorts – from TPM!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/williamkwolfrum/2009/07/breaking-sarah-palin-hastily-a.php?ref=reccafe
I’ve been listening to and reading right-wing stuff the past two or three or five days (my sense of time gets all screwed up in The Dark Zone). I haven’t listened to the messages so much really, but to their language, hoping to be able to glean my own abstract impressions. A language that’s always been frustrating because, unlike when I come here (or HuffPo, Firedoglake, TPM or any other Progressive hangout), where people can make really obscure comments and I understand their meaning through our shared culture and values, I didn’t even understand much of what was said in their circles. As a non-Christian entering their world, that is no surprise – nor is it surprising to me that I respond to “their world” with visceral feelings that are quite uncomfortable. As the child of a domineering, controlling, manipulative, drinking father, and also being a child who was unwilling to be codependent, I responded to sitting in their churches in much the same way that I responded to feeling the forces of manipulation and control at home. I became defiant and rebellious. In some of the usual ways, but in some that were proudly mine. While I was flying MedEvac (yes, I volunteered) in SE Asia, I almost openly admired the wits and smarts of Bill Ayers, and sympathetically saw to it that someone (wearing gloves of course) painted a peace symbol over one of the red crosses on my helicopter every couple weeks. (There must be someone around here who doesn’t like me, Capt.) (Any of those doggie-doo flaggers ever get caught? I hope not.)
Now that I’ve exposed myself to rightie-speak I find that I’m reforming many of my impressions of the noise from the right over the past many months. And I’m doing it with the help of Sarah Palin. While we were laughing (along with the geese) at her resignation speech, and her later explanation that it didn’t need to be explained, what I now perceive is that her recent statements are
absolutelymostlysomewhat clear.What we Progressives need to do is Accept that the new well-purged GOP is now – pretty much officially – the Republican Assembly of God (RAG). Their head spokesmodel has served notice.
“No more politics as usual.” [I am giving you a
new paradigmFatwah][Be it hereby known, it is now expected of lame duck RAGs to resign and use the principle of political inheritance to allow their successors to run as incumbents, giving them the well-known advantages of incumbency in the next election.]
“I am not a quitter.” [I am leading you in this break with the old way of doing things. It is for the good of the RAG. (Is there a pun there?)]
The timing is not so important, and we don’t have the means to know what went on behind the scenes. Probably this had been in the works for months, meaning the idea was being kicked around, but probably in the Lower 48 more than AK. My guess is the announcement was made shortly after she got off the phone with [unknown others]. This is Rovian in it’s implications – and truly does represent a
paradigm shiftFatwa. (Is this why Huntsman didn’t blink when offered an ambassadorship?)What I’m getting from my inner Bill Ayers is that SP does know what she’s doing, and she’s told us, and, even as we were being warned of the escalating assault on traditional democratic norms and our right to be free from her religion, we were laughing too hard to hear her. By keeping the media pounding on her door – and on her – she is the one wielding all the power. And all the laughter is more fuel to heat the cauldrons of political slime she’s already brewing.
Shep Smith just said in a teasing way that he had new info on why Buttercup quit, will be saying in his programme.
I only have Faux on because apart from CNN it’s all we get. YUK!
I just want to say–for the record–that I am so utterly freaking sick of Sarah Palin. I don’t think I can stand to even see another headline with her name in it.
CynthiaTX – To follow up on TBNTJudy, February 2009 was Ann Coulter month on Margaret & Helen:
http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2009/02/
I envision the 3 members of the personnel board sitting down at a brightly lit conference room table with the book of laws handy and a copy of the ethics violation complaint in hand, 3 copies, one each. As they start reading over the complaint, checking carefully each word, one comes across an error and say, “Oh, look, the “i” does not have a dot.” And another says, “Hey, here’s a “t” that’s not been crossed.” Dismiss!
Largo Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:17 AM
AP story in today’s Oregonian puts cost of Palin ethics investigations at $2 mil. Source for $ figure is, “Office of the Governor”. Article does nothing to challenge this figure and reports it as fact.
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Just wrote to Mel about her amazing articulate breakdown of the “$2,000,000 meme) and advised her to send it to the AP directily so they can do some real investigative journalism and correct their reportage.
Others should contact the AP as well (info@ap.org) so they have the opportunity to fact check and report the facts and not just some uncorroborated press release send to them.
Closet Mudpup @232
Please check out theopalinism website and you will see her speech highlighted with key points. Constitutional Party is what you call it. An excellent piece.
mhrt Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:46 AM
http://blog.buzzflash.com/honors/190
And our Wings of Justice award is geared to reward those people such as Shannyn Moore. She has been in the lion’s den for a long time dealing with one of politics’ most proficient liars. Bravery and courage are two traits you need to go repeatedly into that lion’s den. And Shannyn Moore clearly has those, and we gladly give her the Wings of Justice award.
WOW, buttercup has even more to suck up. Hooray for you Shannyn. Can things get any more negative for ms palin. I hope so.
Maybe take “Constitution Party” either way, do was I say akinda folks.
Isabella–we get celebs here too (esp(!) during fishing season, and the Salmon Derby). Rumor is that Johnny Depp and Sir Paul McCartney were in town over the 4th of July (on a styling yacht out in the Channel!). Hey, check the end of the “Buckle Up” thread for a comment for you.
Blog ex-aids plead guilty…witness for the government. Wow.
Canadian Neighbour (at 8:58 AM)–I do believe that was out on the island from where one actually could see Russian!
The ADN just goes from bad to worse. Did You Hear the Rumor About Shannyn Moore? http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142241
hey everyone. so who is the author of this ridiculous hit job? Is there a background of Palin worshipping? I’m sorry to go back to it, it is disgusting. But I am sort of in shock (and mad). She is wrong. I mean, she is factually wrong and misinterprets the First Amendment:
“I was under the impression that anyone who has the great luck to write for print or posting, or who has a radio or television show has a responsibility to be as factually accurate as possible, most especially when another’s reputation is at stake.”
First of all, the 1st A says nothing about being “as factually accurate as possible when someone’s reputation is at stake.” That is just a made-up definition. A ridiculous one. There is nothing that even closely resembles this. So, a “real journalist” may have at least checked the Bill of Rights (you would think she would just know the free speech clause, being a real journalist and everything, but I guess not). The 1st A says:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
There is nothing about rumor, or reputation, or writing. The author clearly visited the U.S. Department of Law to get her legal definitions. Because the real definition of these torts that she is throwing around are:
1. Libel: defamatory statement written down or embodied in permanent mode of expression.
2. Defamation: publishing a statement that adversely affects another’s reputation with reckless disregard for the truth of that you know is false when you make it (i.e. with malice). A statement is particularly defamatory if it touches upon a person’s honesty, peacefulness, competence, criminal background, loyalty, or sexuality. To win, you must show actual damages. If an alleged defamatory statement is a matter of public concern, it is even harder to win, because the purpose of the 1st A is to encourage speech. In those cases, by law, a private citizen can be negligent (if it turns out her info is false), as long as it was a reasonable mistake.
3. Defenses to Defamation: 1) consent; 2) the truth (unless they can prove that the statement is FALSE, it is not defamatory) and 3) Qualified privilege: where the occasion of speech deals with public interest in promoting candor (if you have reasonable belief that the info was accurate) Privilege is lost if you deliberately spread lies or acts negligently, or if D adds in irrelevant info.
So, Palin/Grimes (public figures) would need to prove the falsity of the statement that Shannyn made AND that she is knowingly at fault (she had an unreasonable basis for making the statement, but did so anyway) AND that there were actual damages incurred by Palin. We don’t know the truth so Shannyn couldn’t have knowingly spread false info. And since she is a private figure, and this is of public concern, she can be negligent (i.e. if Palin can prove the falsity of the rumors, Shannyn can show it was a reasonable mistake). She also has the affirmative defense of qualified privilege (if not also, “the truth,” but we don’t know that yet). It is in no way defamatory.
On the other hand, this IS, without a doubt, libel/defamation:
“I heard Shannyn is under investigation for abusing puppies. I heard she was arrested twice in high school – once for stealing Girl Scout cookies and the next time for robbing a Salvation Army kettle. I heard the police record kept her from being allowed to compete in the “Miss Homer” contest and she cried for a month. Also, I heard she’s been banned from the docks in Dutch Harbor. I don’t want to go into why.”
A public figure is spreading false information that she knows to be false (or with a reckless disregard for the truth) about a private citizen. Unless Grimes can show that Shannyn did any of these things, or that she has a reason to believe Shannyn did these things, she has just committed a tort and can be held liable. She implies that Shannyn is a criminal and alludes to her sexuality (which makes it particularly defamatory). And since Shannyn is a a private citizen, she wouldn’t need to show damages – just harm to her reputation.
This is a ridiculous hit job and she violated the law by publishing it. And we should write intelligent emails (not crazy rants) telling her so.
“New iPhone App Translates Palin Speech into English”(Andy Borowitz) http://tinyurl.com/kvkdkp
“…According to Apple, a user of the iPal app can hold his iPhone up to a television when Ms. Palin is appearing and receive a real-time English translation in text form.
Carol Foyler, 34, an early adopter of the iPal app, said that the application is not without its glitches, however.
“I tried to use it last night during a replay of her resignation speech,” she said. “When she got to the part about being a good point guard my phone exploded.”
anon blogger @242 ?????
I can’t type….Blag (IL) ex-aide plead guilty.
And Politico has another article, “For Sarah Palin, the rules have never applied.” Sorry, machine broke, or I’d paste.
Just heard that since her resignation that SP is receiving more Republican Party favor. They may see her as a talented fund-raising campaigning figure, but they are not figuring on her insatiable need to be the boss. This could pose more problems for her in the spotlight if she considers being their fund-raising puppet. No one pulls SP’s strings.
Am really curious as to what she is planning for her future.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to go on like that. I just can’t believe that was written and published in one of Alaska’s biggest newspapers.
Moose Pucky–no, the new AG appointee hasn’t been confirmed yet. For the answers to your other questions, see my posts at the end of the “Buckle Up” thread…
Lol, Palin has 87,000 followers on Twitter now, ain’t she special. Everyone loves a train wreck!!!
I’ve been following most of the comments and links for the past several days, and all of you are just terrific, informative, and, in some cases, brilliant. I’m just happy to be able to read here, and will continue to keep myself informed via AKM’s disarming, delightful, and informative posts.
I wish that I could offer something more than my praise, but it’s too busy here for me to keep up with everything, so carry on, dear seekers of truth. I admire you so and am grateful for your energy and perserverance, and I love the links that you provide. Thanks so much.
I am in your debt; but it is pleasing to be there.
I think it’s unfair to McCain to ask him for further explanation about Palin.
No one can provide an adequate explanation for her.
How was he supposed to know that her ego is so intertwined with her God and approval ratings – the level of her self absorption is unprecedented.
I think the SNL skit where he talks about the high cost of campaigning (cue Tina Fey’s stroke of her collar) – I accepted his apology at that time, the weekend before the election =-)
@Isabella,
that’s good for Palin on twitter she doesn’t have to use many words to explain anything so her followers will continue to follow nonsense.
McCain was not ALLOWED by the RoveMachine to have Lieberman as his VP. He pitched a fit and probably said, “I don’t care then, whatever.”
they had been grooming Miss Wasilla/Saint of Special Needs Babies for some time and that was the time.
McCain can’t explain, because he didn’t really consider itall.
Mccain is a hot-head and she proves it.
“She was never going to be president of the United States. But who’s got all the sway in the Republican Party right now? It’s the political pundits; it’s the talk show hosts; it’s the people who are not responsible to an electorate,” Ridley told CNN’s Campbell Brown. “I would not be surprised if around 2011 people are circling around Sarah Palin, saying, ‘please, anoint us for the road to the White House.’ She’s never going to be president but possibly a kingmaker.”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.future/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Got a heads up from Admin Erin on this link:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-lingering-question.html
Andrew Sullivan reads Mudflats AND the comments The comment was mine, and wasn’t that significant, but it does point out that much of what gets out there to the world has changed, and bloggers “on the ground” play a big roll in communication to the world.
Prediction: Americans get sick of one subject/person pretty quickly. The media and people will get very sick of Palin. They will move on with upticks as dirt spills out, Levi’s book deal, but she has NOTHING new or interesting to say so she will get repetive and I bet them more people hear the same buzzwords and crap from her, there will be no reason to pay attention to her anymore.
then she will have to more bazaar things to get attention and that won’t be good
251 InJuneau Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Moose Pucky–no, the new AG appointee hasn’t been confirmed yet. For the answers to your other questions, see my posts at the end of the “Buckle Up” thread…
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Since he was recently selected by SP, and will apparently[?] have to move in order to take the job, and was selected for his oil ties/knowledge, will he feel comfortable taking the position under Parnell, or will he too jump ship?
Wouldn’t blame him if he did. I see no reason for him to be loyal to SP. If he wants to look after his own best interests, I say, more power to him.
samper, I also read & enjoy the Stephanie Plum series. I’m an avid reader & another author I absolutely love is James Lee Burke. His Dave Robicheaux series is wonderful. Burke hails from LA, I’ve been reading his books prior to Katrina, and he has incorporated some real insight into the region since the hurricane. The books don’t need to be read in any order, but I warn you if you read one you’ll want to go back & begin reading them in order. I read the latest Andrew Halcro, I was a little confused when the woman writing to him alluded
to reporters “heading down to Arkansas” for the latest round of interviews/ “don’t I even look cute in waders” photo-op she conducted…
What’s up with Google? I went to do my daily ‘Palin’ news search on google and discovered there is no longer a blog search link to click on! I always check the the recent news first then click on the blog search link to find the latest but ‘blog’ is gone.
Please doin’t tell me Buttercup has enough power to threaten google to remove it!!!
InJuneau Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Canadian Neighbour (at 8:58 AM)–I do believe that was out on the island from where one actually could see Russian!
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It was and I couldn’t believe they threw garbage bags in the Strait.
Kids sitting in classroom, out the window saw the Russian island
SystemBucker Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
What’s up with Google? I went to do my daily ‘Palin’ news search on google and discovered there is no longer a blog search link to click on! I always check the the recent news first then click on the blog search link to find the latest but ‘blog’ is gone.
Please doin’t tell me Buttercup has enough power to threaten google to remove it!!!
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wasn’t there somewhere on mudflats a post about planes with google logos spoted in Alaska LOL ? who know maybe she took over the world !
JHop Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:50 AM
The ADN just goes from bad to worse. Did You Hear the Rumor About Shannyn Moore? http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142241
hey everyone. so who is the author of this ridiculous
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I can’t remember who, but someone did post earlier on this thread who this person is and who she’s married to.
An FYI — If you did not realize, the Ordinance 64 hearing last night was for non-discrimination in housing, education and employment. Yea. When AKM first posted that, you could have knocked me over as it sounds like the dark ages.
Were you ever able to watch?
jHop—-believe it. They have a pretty cozy relationship with Palin. I think everyone was/is afaid of her so they play nice. Look how Palin is still attacking Couric, Levi has a bodyguard, etc.
I think she has a history of fear and intimidation.
I have always wondered what kind of GOP donor would give the campaign a credit card to buy Sarah some clothes–3 outfits for the Convention, 3 for the campaign. I mean, wouldn’t it be more normal to simply donate a set amount of money rather than hand over your credit card? It just didn’t make sense.
Then I read someplace that the “donor” was actually Cindy McCain. Now that makes sense! And can’t we all just imagine her rage when she realized Sarah had run up a $180,000 bill? No wonder John McCain has issues with Sarah–no doubt Cindy ripped into him but good.
Does anyone know if there has been any actual confirmation of this? I can understand why the McCains are keeping their mouths shut. She literally made them look like fools from so many different angles.
System Bucker – I noticed that too. I was able to access the blogs by going up to the top of the page where it says ** News Images Videos Shopping, etc** When you click on MORE you’ll get an option for blog.
I wonder if they were getting too much traffic from people clicking over from the news search page.
SystemBucker #261
Overload. LOL
I am reading some of the posts today and somewhere/someone mentioned that Buttercup used to be a Sports/newscaster at KDUU.. or KTUU in AK years ago.
Are there any videos or tape of her out there..? This was before the YouTube days and all that but as bad as she is now with her ‘ word salad ‘ I can’t imagine how funny it would be to see some of those tapes.
Buttercup on camera… Talking..? I hope someone knows where something is archived… Anybody???
Isabella, This is just sick.
I would not be surprised if around 2011 people are circling around Sarah Palin, saying, �please, anoint us for the road to the White House.� She�s never going to be president but possibly a kingmaker.�
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Why does the media continue to give her that much credit. Kingmaker?
I think she will imploid by 2011.
honestyingov
Look and laugh!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/588c5da16a/sarah-palin-sportscaster-from-that-happened
@honestyinGov
Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7LBtRGCd8
honestyinGov,
Just because it may have been before youtube, don’t mean anything now as people post vids they’ve had for years. You will have to try searches on youtube but also do general search engine as it may be on a blog somewhere. Search Palin KTUU or Palin KDUU
Canadian – I didn’t get a chance to watch, my computer crashed. I have some sort of problem with WMP 11 and Microsoft Vista. Whenever I try to play embedded video, in both IE and FF, my computer crashes. I read all 19 pages of comments though. It was f-ing absurd.
Trisha- definitely a history of fear and interpretation.
Politics aside, my problem is not that that the editorial was a hitjob; it is that it was factually and legally incorrect, and slanderous in and of itself. I am writing a formal letter to the newsroom as we speak, as an attorney and the former editor of the First Amendment Law Review. Shannyn could initiate suit tomorrow if she wanted to based on this editorial. And I am asking for a correction or editor’s note to point out the obvious, inflammatory, and reckless misinformation. This piece really pissed me off, I’m sorry if anyone thinks I am overreacting; it’s not because I disagree with Palin’s policies or have a personal animus. It was just….wrong. On so many levels.
*intimidation, not interpretation
UK Lady Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:21 AM
honestyingov
Look and laugh!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/588c5da16a/sarah-palin-sportscaster-from-that-happened
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Holy Crap — she was actually reading a teleprompter
It was KTUU, and I just saw a clip in the past few nights. Maybe on Dave Letterman? Riotous! SUCH big hair!
UK Lady Says “honestyingov Look and laugh!”
She crossed eyed there or just trying really really hard to stay focused?
does anyone know (or can find) the specific email for Joann Grimes, the editor of the ADN, or both?
I would prefer not to use their “contact form” system. Ideally, I want to send it from my office account.
I just discovered where to find ‘blog’ BuffaloGal…thanks. It still puzzeles me as to why google would get rid of the link on the sidebar area. I find the timing of it very interesting.
Regarding post #249 – may I make a clarification? When I wrote “they are not figuring on her insatiable need to be the boss” – I correct it to say, “from what I have read about her insatiable need to be the boss, they are not figuring into that”.
The truth is a nice thing. The truth will set us free!
Candy Knight….interesting. I hadn’t heard that so I can’t confirm it. Although, it would make sense. There was no love loss between Cindy and Palin. You could read it on their faces.
What’s interesting is that Palin seems to have gone rogue….just like she did to McCain during the campaign. In the last few days, she has been bashing everyone including the Republicans. I don’t think she is making many friends, but the GOP won’t come out and say anything too strong against her.
I’m thinking that once she has actually left office, some floodgates might open. I believe that some people are holding back…for now….since she is still in the governors office. Once she leaves, it could be open season.
Based on her history….she will go rogue again. Either as a paid speaker, politician, fund raiser,etc. She doesn’t like ANYONE telling her what to do.
She is just mavericky like that.
on my comment #260, meant Andrew Sullivan not Halcro, the “Why it Matters”
piece, sorry it all runs together, haha.
ppl in her admin quit, she fires others…then she quits…
just how many ppl quit/fired while she played guv?
JHop Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 11:24 AM
*intimidation, not interpretation
Sorry, I don’t know what I was thinking at that moment. I must have been thinking in Palinese.
Isabella
Absolutely cross eyed! My personal favourite – the flute playing part of the beauty pageant -
http://www.popcrunch.com/video-sarah-palin-flute-playing-miss-alaska-beauty-pageant-1984/
JHop, I say, go for it.
JHop – Go gettum girl, they are all FUBAR.
i like JHOP – and am interested in the newspaper’s reaction to the letter.
AKM i don’t iknow why all my comments are not posting. sniff sniff. do you have any ideas?
No, I don’t. The spam filter seems to have hyped up into overdrive lately. Apologies for any inconvenience. AKM
JHop
Here is the link again for two reasons. The vid is available to watch. Mind you, you should push it forward to about the last 2 hours as the vid is the full meeting. It is the page that lists all the sessions.
Secondly, for you to play to see if you can work the gremlins out!! I too have Vista and just use Explorer watching with no problems
http://anchorageak.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2
You can pick out the other dates by way of AKM’s Information Categories just under her blog – Assembly Meetings. It also allows you to see all the pictures that have been posted at the hearings of the sign carrying goings-on outside!!
JHop, by all means, go for it.
BTW, McClatchy owns the ADN. Might want to include them, too, also.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/184
i’ll post my letter when I am done. let me know what you all think – good or bad, I am always open to editing (which is what should have happened with the ADN op-ed)
I think we all need to pay more attention to Sarah and Todd’s involvement with the AIP. I ‘ve been over at( Sarah Palin Truth Squad) and they have an interesting story about this–maybe she had to fly back to Alaska to have Trig because she and Todd still believes in secession of Alaska, that’s why she doesn’t see America like you and me, as in Alaska not being part of America. I’m beginning to think she throws out all this crap to keep the attention away from her involvement in the AIP..What are your thoughts on this????
And from the McClatchy blog
http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/washington/2009/07/palins-quit-before.html
ADN Contacts:
Comments or questions about news stories: newsroom@adn.com
Also, their email addresses are first initial, last name @adn.com.
Pat Dougherty Senior Vice President, Editor 907-257-4303 pdougherty@adn.com
Patrick Doyle President & Publisher 907-257-4210 pdoyle@adn.com
JHop,
I don’t believe there is a publicly available e-mail address for Joann Grimes. The contact for concerns about the adn blogs is editorsblog@adn.com
JHop
ADN – I see telephone numbers for Senior Management via the contact us at the bottom of the site. At the top of the Page it says All Departments: Contact Us which brings up email addresses for various depts inclusive of Human Resources.
Good stuff akgrrl !!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH AKGRRL (AND PROBLEM CHILD)
that is exactly what i needed; you all are the best. it’s going to take me awhile, I am going to back it up with case law so I Ineed to do some research first.
New Thread Up!
http://democracyforamerica.com/netroots_nation_scholarships/609-ian
Please vote for another Netroots scholarship
You can vote for more than one person
Ian is the son of one of the forums esteemed Administrators, Lani formerly Bash Budweiser, and he needs a few votes to kick him up into the top ten.
Thanks all I know we can get him there with AKM and Shannyn
Going Rogue, that is sometting Bush never did. He let Cheney do whatever he and the neocons wanted, as long as he got to be President.
The powers may have thought they had Bush in Red peep toes, but I think she is showing them that she won’t do whatever they want if they make her their next Potemkin Candidate.
I thought it was some big named Minnesotan R who forked over his credit card for the shopping spree…wasn’t he also the one rumored to have been buying suits for EX(!) Sen. Norn Coleman?
NEW IDEA, PLEASE READ!
I would like to stop reading and caring about Palin. But we also need to keep up the pressure because it is working so far.
Here is a project for us: put together all the anti-Palin talking points. comprehensive with links for backup, that we can send to the MSM. I also want to make up follow-up questions for them to ask her. The right reporter could get her to melt-down with follow-ups.
The Right Reporter is dead… why has no one stepped up to replace Tim Russert? Or Jack Anderson?
Isabella, re: the twitter. When you think about it 78,000 is a very small amount of people. Think about how many of these people are probably in the MSM, how many people just doing it for a laugh? Doesn’t leave very many people. Kind of embarassing if you ask me.
Perhaps that is why she had to resign. She couldn’t raise enough money from her followers. Just a thought…………
She wouldn’t want to pay for any of her lawyer fees out of her book deal because it is money she earned (if you can call it that). Who cares if she spends other peoples hard earned money. I really feel sorry for the poor suckers who have been sucked in by her craziness.
Meg must be hustlin up speaking engagements……..and leaking hints while the gov is still gov.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=8009188&page=2
“As for one hint of ambitions outside Alaska, Palin’s camp says she already has plans to speak in the lower 48 states, including a women’s event in Simi Valley, Calif., next month.”
I can’t see women’s groups wanting to hear Sarah speak. She’s the Anti-Feminist. She needs to stick with pro-life and evangelical groups.
those in CA, if ya wanna visit Scarah in person here’s your chance………report back what ya hear.
Reagan Library on August 8th
The reporter from CNN just interviewed Andrea McLeod in reference to all these frivilous ethics complaints.
I only wish Andrea had addressed the $2M costs that Palin keeps quoting and would have said the Personnel Board released the costs July 1st at $296,000
debinOH Says:
Isabella, re: the twitter. When you think about it 78,000
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Of those, some are Dem’s out of curiosity which makes the true followers smaller yet.
I just spent a few minutes reading some of the comments on Sarah’s facebook page (over 600,000 fans). It completely reaffirms my belief in the need for separation of Church and State.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf
Drat, I can find Joann Grimes Pantages’ phone number and address, but no email. :-/ still looking …
Simi Valley, California. Home of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library & Museum.
sauerkraut Says:
The Right Reporter is dead… why has no one stepped up to replace Tim Russert? Or Jack Anderson?
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All through the 2008 campaign I wished that Tim Russert would’ve had the chance to have Palin on Meet the Press. He wouldn’t have let her get away with anything.
Side note: Tim’s family lived in my neighborhood but across “the bridge” which was the dividing line of our small area in South Buffalo. His Dad’s VFW post is up the street from me and I was there the night Tim came down to chat with folks about his book “Big Russ and Me”. It was too crowded up in the book signing room so I hung out in the downstairs bar with a lot of his Dad’s WWII buddies. It was a great time hearing about how great Tim was as a kid and how they always knew he’d go on to do something honorable. My neighborhood now has two “Tim Russert” parks and a highway that is named after him. We have an upcoming community event in his honor, as well.
New grammatical term.
Palindrone: A sentence or statement that makes the same sense read forwards or backwards.
LOL Clydedog!
this explains it all:
Brian Kilmeade Would Like Species and ‘Ethnics’ to Remain Pure
http://gawker.com/5310208/brian-kilmeade-would-like-species-and-ethnics-to-remain-pure
I found Joanne’s husband’s email …
I’d rather kill myself than go to the Reagan Library to hear her speak!
Closet Mudpup @#232- thank you for putting this into the best context I have read. “Family Values”- another way of understanding the horror of a totalitarian mindset. This promotion of Sarah Palin’s word salad by MSM reminds me of Hitler’s project of producing cheap radios so that the population could get all the speeches….
Also, too, the Reagan Library has had stuff missing from their stuff–nice job of stewardship there. She’d probably try to grift some stuff from there herself. Maybe some of Nancy’s clothes!
twain 12 @ 316
That was way funny, the comments after were even funnier. What a flipping knuckledragger, and where are his eyebrows?.
OK, if you have to go, this would be the way:
Man dies after falling into chocolate vat
Reuters – Claudia Parsons, Michelle Nichols – 40 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) – A man fell into a vat of hot melted chocolate and died on Wednesday at a factory in New Jersey, a spokesman for the local public prosecutor said.
Great, though short post here:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/
David Murrow, in his first public sighting (to my knowledge anyway) puts the lie to Palin’s claims about the cost of ethics complaints, the funding pulled away from those teachers and cops….
I like Murrow so far!
Oh, and the article has a link to the spreadsheet explaining the 1.9 million in ethics expenses!!!
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/
OK, just popped in on Gretawire. They’re trashing Shannyn, Diva, AKM & Andrea in addition to our president, which they do every day. I run defense for him for awhile in my spare time. We need some mudflatters over there today, they’re calling AKM by her given name. Here’s an example of the mentality over there and I quote “indepents are getting more stronger everyday”
I just read a short piece on MSNBC that said they are still waiting for the Gov. emails they requested back in September 2008. They were also discussing the high cost and the excuses they have been given. I don’t have link, but I’ll get it.
Most of the comments were anti-Palin but a few of her fans posted and they are scary, scary people.
Rob in Ca Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Oh, and the article has a link to the spreadsheet explaining the 1.9 million in ethics expenses!!!
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/
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good article
they picked it up at huffpost to
@Lilybart: New Idea
We can start with “all the frivolous complaints have been dismissed,” two million and counting in costs, actual amount of money due to the lawyers and send the correct information.
Anything information has to be short and to the point. It should read like an article so they can just cut, paste and print (make it easy for them).
I’d suggest Keith and Rachel, Huffington Post, The Daily Beast, Daily Kos– especially if anyone here has had their stuff published there.
What’s the harm in sending the correct information to the Alaska press? The wire services? Major newspapers and chains like McClatchy?
The biggest problem is that MSM doesn’t have time, money, resources for fact checking. They seem to be repeating Sarah’s latest talking point.
Rob in Ca
Thank You!!!
Hum. Looking at that spreadsheat (thanks, Rob in Ca!), adding up the numbers under “Frivolous Ethics Complaints”, I come up with only $68,423.
I wrote sometime ago that never seemed to show up, darn. I spent some time on it, but, if it never shows up again, I said that I appreciate all of what everyone is doing, and how much I love the links and research and brilliance toward truth that you’ve show, and I thank you. I can’t let that go unnoticed by me or by you. Or AKM’s delightful, devastating and uneffectual ditties.
clydedog Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:11 PM
New grammatical term.
Palindrone: A sentence or statement that makes the same sense read forwards or backwards.
A while I coined the neologism, palindrone, here on the flats. My def was different, though, perhaps there could be meaning #1 and #2.
Mine was “Something that wreaks chaos, havoc and destruction wherever it goes, but when get a close look inside, there’s no one inside.”
I just watched CNN’s reporting on “ethics complaints”(Blitzer’s Situation Room) and I am so mad I am speechless!! Literally I am chocked, my throat is constricted.
I knew they were getting bad, but when you know a subject fairly well , it shows how LAZY and SLOPPY their “reporting” is.
ACK ACK ACK ACK ACKL ACK!
Homemade Boatgate.
In one of her recent interviews Sarah claimed Todd and “the buddies” built Todd’s boat. Alert reader CG quickly confirmed it was a lie (naturall) through the state’s web site, but the page referencing Todd’s boat has since been removed.
Sarah can’t get out of town quickly enough.
What is going on with Bristol and Willow?, no show at the quitting and no show at the fishing!, something’s up!
learningcurve
Did you or anyone else save the boat page?
#326 trisha, I just found the MSNBC article you are referring to. There are a lot of people (organizations) with requests for emails, going back to before the election and Alaska has still not provided them.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31727233/ns/politics/
I didn’t see it before it was removed. I did poke around the site and any reference to Todd’s boat is gone, but the rest of the site is operational. It’s creepy, to say the least.
Judging from his comment CG didn’t save a shot of it, so it may be down the Memory Hole.
Here is Greta, letting Van Flein spew his misinformation freely:
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“VAN FLEIN:…And what has happened is partisan, Democratic partisans and left- wingers have hijacked the ethics process by filing these frivolous complaints in order just to get a headline.
And yesterday was a perfect example of an ethics complaint. It supposed to be confidential. The person who files it issues a press release, partly confidential, and gets his headline. That’s how it’s being used, and that’s how it’s being abused.
VAN SUSTEREN: Thomas, are these individuals who are filing it, or do you think this is part of some concerted effort by some group? What’s the origin of these 15 that you have already spoken about?
VAN FLEIN: Some are individual efforts. But we know that there is a group of left-wing associates who have publicly stated that this is a concerted action to undermine the administration. They blog about it and rejoice in it, essentially.
And so it is a concerted effort and it is not accidental or coincidental.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have you any reason to believe that it is originating outside of Alaska?
VAN FLEIN: Well, it’s out of the playbook, it’s out of a left-wing playbook to attack your opponent and attack them personally, use the system against them, bog them down with things like ethics complaints, make them spend their own money, give them bad headlines. It’s a standard left-wing tactic.
VAN SUSTEREN: But you have no proof that it is coming from outside the state. You are simply saying that it’s done by people who are her political opponents, right? You have no evidence that, for instance, is the Democrats in the lower 48 doing it?
VAN FLEIN: Well, there were some complaints that were filed under pseudonyms that we believe came from down in the lower 48, and that one was dismissed as well. So there is some evidence that it is coming from down in the lower 48.
What we do know is there was a close association. Like, one of the persons who filed the complaint was the official Democratic Party blogger for the convention for President Obama last fall. And she has been part of this.
So there is a connection to the Democratic Party in the lower 48.”
link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530620,00.html
Who knows enough to be able to say which of the ethics complaints are clearly NOT from Democrats or left wingers? Time to put this silly argument to rest.
“As for one hint of ambitions outside Alaska, Palin’s camp says she already has plans to speak in the lower 48 states, including a women’s event in Simi Valley, Calif., next month.”
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eeeewwwwwwwww! Keep her out of my state. We have enough problems. We don’t need the likes of her.
Amanda Terkel would be a good reporter to give the truth to……..
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/08/palin-hillary-whining-time/
Interesting spreadsheet from the article mentioned above.
My curiosity is piqued about the three line-items at the bottom of page 1, for which there is no itemized detail and appear to be additional amounts.
Office of the Governor- $315,268
IT – $125,413
Personnel Review Board – $560,800
That sums to $1 million and change. None of these numbers match the sums of itemized amounts. What’s up with that? Salaries? The Personnel Board is appointed board service – no paycheck. So how come they got more than a half a million? For what?
Um, yeeaah, we’re gonna need you to just explain that a little bit more, ‘kay?
I can’t take credit for this—-this is some investigative work that someone else did, but it’s really worth reading. Very interesting stuff.
Take a moment and read this:
Sarah Palin believes it’s no big deal that she quit in the middle of her first term. Happens all the time, right? As it turns out—no.
On a hunch, I reviewed online lists of all the men and women who’ve been elected governor of their state since 1900. Pored over them for a few hours. Over 1200 politicians have taken that first-term oath of office. Some soon died in office. Many resigned to accept other positions in government, including Spiro Agnew who was “tapped” by Nixon after being the Governor of Maryland for about five minutes. On a handful of occasions, a first-termer was dragged off to the slammer or impeached. One was incapacitated by a nervous breakdown and one left just as impeachment came knocking on his door. So—how many out of over 1200 just up and quit before the end of their term?
Three: Jim McGreevy, Eliot Spitzer and Sarah Palin.
Can anyone say “other shoe?”
As I mentioned on another thread…somewhere…
This reminds me of when Palin asked all her department heads to send her news…GOOD NEWS…for twitter.
Only this time, she asked them to send her BAD NEWS about the cost of ethics investigations, record searches, media inquiries…their best guess on what it cost, and the higher the number the better.
Dang , it’s hot here……..hunnertsix.
Hardball has a really good segment on Palin today, my mouth is dropping open….wow…..Joan….wow Lawrence, great poiints……hope clip comes out…whole thng.. Alaska’s politics.
trisha
Nice work.
That is hot austintx!!
FINALLY…… Hardball with Chris Matthews is on right now and Joan Walsh (I think that is her name) of Salon is telling it like it is about Palin’s whining about the “millions” of dollars in ethics complaints. Worth watching. I hope others will catch on and call Palin to task on her whining.
I came across this last night and I must say, I enjoyed watching this video a great deal. Boy! The folks at KTVA are not happy with Buttercup!
I don’t know if this has already been posted but here’s a link.
http://www.ktva.com/?bcpid=27827244001&bctid=28781609001
…so, is Buttercup afraid to be interviewed by your local media for fear of more accurate reporting/questioning about her mavericky ways or do you think she thinks local news is small beans — local news is below her?
Just wondering.
Stupid question of the week – who’s paying the Twitter bill for Sarah? Does that come with a cell phone plan, or is that separate? How much does it cost? Is it a ‘per message’ charge? Per character?
Lilybart
How about a spreadsheet? I’m useless with excel, but something like two columns, one for Buttercup’s words (or actions, whatever), and the other for what *really* happened. Oh, plus a column for the date maybe
Something like that? Basically, something that will show the words or actions, side-by-side with the whatever-really-happened thing.
Just got home from work, not yet in ‘flats mode lol
Nan
I think Twitter is free online.
pacos_gal, Thanks for finding that link to the MSNBC article. I got sidetracked and hadn’t gotten around to finding it.
On another note, Regarding Palin’s lawyer on Greta’s show. Isn’t he starting a rumor that the ethics complaints are really coming from the lower 48 and the Democratic party? Isn’t it a known fact that all but 2 complaints were filed by Alaskan citizens? He implies that because the other two were filed with pseudonyms, they were really filed by the Democrats (as in organized effort). I think the DNC needs to be aware of this.
Trisha…Van Flein also said that complaints (plural) were filed under pseudonyms. There was only one.
Regarding the complaints, weren’t a few filed by Republicans? Who has a breakdown on this?
Thanks Rob…interesting. I love his final summation…It was filed by a Democrat who used to work for Obama’s campaign (I don’t even know if that is correct), thus it is an organized effort by the Democratic Party. Wow.
debinOH Says “Isabella, re: the twitter. When you think about it 78,000 is a very small amount of people.”
I was watching from the first day Palin set up that account. She was crapping out at a mere 2,000 followers several hours in the beginning….then her PAC called out to bump her followers tally. Suddenly thereafter hundreds added on every hour BUT the accounts signing up curiously were brand new & stupidly following one another.
Palin is suppose to be dominating the world to the extreme of trumping Micheal Jackson YET numbers show by political comparison of McCain who has 966,309 Followers and tabloid whre Paris Hilton who has 309,866 Followers Palin is really no BIG DEAL.
Rob in Ca–I think that at least two of the ethics complaint filers are actually Republicans (or at least I think that’s what they’ve said in the news)–Andree McLeod (for sure an R) and Zane Henning (maybe/maybe not?). I don’t know about the political leanings of the filer of the outstanding complaint about the AFT or any of the others (except Celtic Diva), but here’s a recent list of all the known filed complaints: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/855858.html
Please note that they don’t ID anyone’s political party except Celtic Diva’s…
In looking at that ‘ so called ‘ one and a half-page spreadsheet… THAT seems even more ridiculous that her just saying it cost 2 Million.? WTH!
And they want us to believe THAT spreadsheet..? If you are going to document something and release it to the Press.. THAT is a joke. Where is the breakdown of expenses. 2 million dollars explained in a page and a half.
Did Buttercup Barbie learn how to make this sort of SS in Journalism School.
This looks more like something that came from the ” Bernie Maddoff Spreadsheet School”. The ones where he was showing all the figures and the shares of stocks, how much he purchased and NO TRADES were ever done. A bunch of figures on paper does NOT make it the Truth. Someone in the MSM needs to ask questions… and get ANSWERS!
Huff post Headline that links to plumline article
Plum LineGreg Sargent’s blog
Key Reason Palin Gave For Quitting May Be False
One of the chief reasons Sarah Palin has given for resigning as Governor of Alaska is that her state’s taxpayers are being forced to spend money defending her government against ethics complaints that would otherwise fund teachers, cops, and road repair.
But in response to our questions, a spokesperson for the Alaska governor’s office just gave us new information that casts serious doubt on this assertion. The revelation makes the resignation episode even stranger, and raises fresh questions about the real reasons for her abrupt departure.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/
Oh and by the way, you can finally link to the spreadsheet so many have been searching for at the above article.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/records-costs-attachment-2.pdf
STIMULUS: ROUND 2
Rumblings about a second stimulus package began over the weekend, when Vice President Joe Biden told George Stephanopoulos on This Week that the administration “misread how bad the economy was.” Speculation spiked again when Laura Tyson, an Obama adviser, suggested in a speech in Singapore on Tuesday that the first $787 billion stimulus was “a bit too small.” President Obama then refused to rule it out: “I don’t take anything off the table when unemployment is close to 10 percent and a lot of Americans are hurting out there,” he said.
http://www.slate.com/id/2222449/
Here’s news on the lt. gov. situation: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/142268
Isn’t there anyone in Alaksa who if the official spokesperson for the Dems who would speak to the press, do press releases to the media, and set the record straight on these issues? It seems that Palin (and her lawyer) are the only ones who have the ear of the media. Why isn’t anyone officially countering some of these false claims by the Gov’s office and her lawyer?
Now that her lawyer is making media appearances and is lying about who filed the complaints, I would think someone should be standing up in Alsaka and telling the truth.
IS the official spokesperson (not, if). Sorry. I was getting excited.
By land , air , or sea……..sarah is everywhere I tell ya.
Flew over McGrath area burn, met idolized smokejumpers (for bravery, strength, love of outdoors!) I appreciate their work in volatile areas
10 minutes ago from TwitterBerry
Hey guys. We have another very worthwhile netroots nomination to support. Ian is the son of Lani (one of our admins). He is only 18 and very involved in politics. We would love to send him along with AKM and Shannyn to Pittsburgh. So, anyone who has already voted for AKM and Shannyn, it won’t take a minute to pop over to Netroots and vote for Ian.
http://democracyforamerica.com/netroots_nation_scholarships/609-ian
CG – just some things that jump out to me too
I like the Public Records – Misc .3 Atty hr $10,063 (rich if you can find that job!!) 1/3 hour for over 10 thousand
Haven’t figured out what Dept of Law – Water Quality Initiative $12,747 and under Litigation ACW (Cleanwater) 66 ATTY hrs 139.5 Paralegal Hours = 23,925
Depart of Law is in charge of Public Records Requests between $113 – $122 per hour. Total $528,336
Sept to March 09 – $468,947 At $113 per hour that’s 4,150 hours
No showing of any fees received for any of these Record Requests either to offset.
Under Ethics Complaints
Governor’s Office re Monegan 13.3 Atty hrs $13,565 – That’s $1,095.11 per hr
Governor’s Office re Election 37.6 hr Atty hrs $4,586 – $121.96 per hr
Gov Off – Fairbanks Hire 23.2 atty hrs $2940 – $126.72 per hr
Gov – Juneteenth – 3.3 $525 – 159.09 per hour
I’ve just put these above to show how the numbers are all over the place.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31727233/ns/politics/
13 Records requests last fall remain outstanding. Not expected to be provided prior to her leaving office.
#342 Trisha, just saw that post over on Gretawire, all the wackos are going crazy but alot of normal people showing up and repeating the “true” $ amount of the ethics lawsuits & pointing out the brunt were from troopergate. It’s the
Guv ethics thread. Last peek is was 50/50 wack-s-doodles vs normal people….