Open Thread – Confused Troll of the Week.
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Slogging through the usual fare of “Sarah Palin is a great lady and Obama’s a Communitst Fascist…Islamist……no good…(trails off into incomprehension) in the spam queue, I came across the following. Usually, I fling trolls mercilessly, grabbing them by their little scaly ankles, and doing the discus throw, watching them get smaller and smaller until they descend with a satisflying splat…right in the mudflats.
But this time, the poor little fellow seemed a bit confused, so I just turned him around and scooted him out the door.
“If anyone would like to make a donation to Sarah PAC you may do so through a link on my site which praises Palin on a regular basis.”
I didn’t actually include the link, because I figure if someone is bent on donating to SarahPAC, they can find it all on thier own.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I’ve been trying to find this for you folks wondering about Hillary’s connection to ‘C’ Street. I was shocked when I read it.
Also, too, I think it was me who said about the flag and the cross.
These people are mad scary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/12/25538/2639
July 12th, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Here is the link that connects Hillary Clinton and Doug Coe of “The Family.
http://tinyurl.com/m3yvrt
RE: McCain. I am an Arizona resident and our Progressives are working hard to “retire” Sen. McCain next year. Anybody with any info I can use, please pm me at the forum.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I have enjoyed the $arah bashing as much a the next person but I am starting to feel sort of like I am picking at a scab. Don’t get me wrong. I absolutely do not want her anywhere near the POTUS spot and will do everything in my power to prevent that.
However, as an Alaskan, we have some bigger problems to attend to right now. Please see anonymous bloggers post from today. We need to shed some light on the problems that exist right now.
Our summers are very short and it seems that very few people are paying attention due to the latest $arah media hogging.
The big question is how can we help our fellow Alaskans before things get to a crisis stage?
Taking the media spotlight off of $arah is what bugs her the most. Perhaps that is what we should do. I, personally, need a little Palin detox.
Has anyone heard from JHop lately? Any updates on her efforts? I notice that Grimes slime is still up on the ADN site.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Meanwhile, SP is one busy li’l beaver, making board appointments, filling vacancies, putting *her* choice for judges in place. All to be done before she “resigns” as Gov, leaving her stamp on the state for years to come.
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php?id=1962
July 12th, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I am happy to see all the attention being paid to the Dominionist ties to Palin.
The “C” Street info that has been broadcast (thanks Rachael Maddow!) has me freaked out as well. This subject (of all horrifying things Palin) has been the #1 issue for me since before the election. These religious extremists have and will continue to infiltrate out military and our government (Rumsfeld is a scary example). I ordered Leah Burton’s book, “Theopalinism” many months ago. If you have not been to Leah’s “Theopalinism” site, I highly recommend (link at right under “other sites”). Note that Leah was also instrumental in stopping the AG appointment of WAR (she testified about his anti-women comments).
We MUST pay attention to this movement – it IS an organized plan to turn our Country into a Theocracy, a Christian Taliban led by the Talibunny Palin herself – IMO.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
The Daily Kos link is very interesting as it links to a site Theopalinism who wrote a book by the same name, Leah Burton (is this the same Leah Burton who spoke up against WAR?)
http://www.theopalinism.com/blog/
Considering her recent blabbing about Higher calling etc. It does seem like she might be thinking of a new party.
I have complete faith that a naughty red monkey is about to drop….so I’m not to excited, that will stop her, but still this is important info/book.
Does anyone know if it is the same Leah?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
One place to look for the ‘New Sarah Palin’ on the campaign trail will be Kansas.
When Kathleen Sebelius resigned as Kansas governor to accept an Obama cabinet position, the field was wide open for Sen. Sam Brownback (a resident of C Street) to ‘plow ahead’ in seeking the state’s highest post. Representative Todd Tiahrt subsequently announced that he would seek Brownback’s Senate seat. Tiahrt was mentioned on RM as the Congressman seeking admission to C Street.
Not only do Brownback and Tahrt share Palin’s theocratic views, but both owe their positions to financial underwriting by … ( wait for it) …
BIG OIL!
Specifically, Koch Petroleum – the first or second largest privately owned corporation in America,
If the name Koch Petroleum rings a bell, it might be the memory of Anna Nicole Smith whose octogenarian billionaire husband was the largest stockholder in the corporation outside of the Koch family.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I am confused re Hillary’s alleged connection to the Family. I confess that this is the first I’m hearing of it, but she has been in a position to impact policy for quite a while, and I’ve never seen any indication that she is trying to infiltrate the government with religious doctrine or the authoritarian style of governance which often accompanies such effort (e.g., the Sinclair quote re Fascism coming to America wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible). Nor have I heard her using that base to garner support, though again, I have not followed her as closely as I did others. It is the folks who run on those values and use their supposed affiliation with God (gag) to garner power who concerns me. I’ll read up on it more when it’s not a Sunday:-)
July 12th, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Nan – YES. RUMOR is that one of her judge appointments is a member of her Dominionist church, his last name is “Heath” (coincidentally?). Seven Mountain Dominionist on AK Supreme Court? Yikes.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:38 AM
“who concern me”, I meant….
July 12th, 2009 at 11:40 AM
crystalwolf: YES – SAME Leah. She is a true leader in the fight to STOP the formation of a Theocracy in America.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Geraldine Ferraro, 25 years later reflects on her groundbreaking Vice-Presidential nomination.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/07/09/ferraro_anniversary/?refid=0
July 12th, 2009 at 11:43 AM
A really well researched article on The Family.
http://www.docudharma.com/diary/14768/the-family-the-old-boys-club-meets-jesus-and-miltitancy
July 12th, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Gramiam, don’t know how to pm you, but did you see the link I posted to the Rolling Stone article on McCain? It is an excellent read.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
July 12th, 2009 at 11:52 AM
TBNY Judy – Hi!, that was a brilliant article. I remember reading it when the campaign was going and thinking blimey, McCain is so toast.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Yellerdog, here is recent info about Tiart. I read about it earlier today.
http://tinyurl.com/ncjq6r
July 12th, 2009 at 11:56 AM
It occurs to me that we mudpuppies can help one another in our respective states by sharing information we come across in our travels in cyberspace. I have relatives and contacts in Texas who need info, Buffalogal needs Dominionist info and there must be others of us who want to keep ahead of the curve on lots of issues and people. I think we ought to get organized and connected over at the forum and get busy.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Austintx: I am on dial up, so I cannot get to your links. Will go there when I get back to civilization. The roasted raspberry chipotle sauce has my mouth watering.
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Lily f, that quote from SP, “if I die, I die. So be it.” has been running around in my head all weekend. One of the links I followed from here a few days ago was to an article and video about some raspy-voiced nutjob stirring up the youth troops. On the back of one of their t-shirts was that saying. It has something to do with martyrdom…being willing to die for the cause. Very frightening. That being said, I don’t believe for one minute that Sarah is willing to die literally for the cause; I don’t think she has evolved past her narcissism enough to do that.
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UKLady, you, BuffaloGal, and others here have pointed out Hillary’s association with the Family. Somewhere in the last few days I read that she did not attend the prayer thing after Bill was inaugurated. If so, then I guess she changed her mind…politics over conviction, I presume. I am so disappointed.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I went and found the npr link to “C” street. Another ‘pup posted it the other nite when we briefly discussed it. It’s long , 20 minutes.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324
July 12th, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Hey Strapon , I’m down here too.also.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:01 PM
@Gramiam AKA Smoke Strapon Palin , thanks for the link.
Tiahrt’s answer to move America toward recovery?
Less taxes for the rich and less regulation for industry.
Where have I heard that before?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
@UK Lady, Hello back! I’m still waiting for the link you posted @208 about the Family to load. Gotta get myself moving here because I have loads of work to do before I can get back to my cable. It’s so hard being slowwwwwwwww…..
July 12th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Whew. Just got through the comments. What a riveting discussion! I am so thankful for all of you.
Following one of your awesome links led to another for the 4.3.08 NBC Nightly News coverage on The Family. They are frightening and we need to watch for the degree of Pres. Obama’s connection.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#23943446
The good news: The Family’s time might be up. Interesting how Palin’s resignation and the Sanford/Ensign(?) scandals are shining a light into the Family’s dark places. We gotta keep the pressure up.
What is it with Palin and people with names like Cole, Coale and now, perhaps, Doug Coe?
(Dang, I’m slow. I refreshed before posting and there are some 20 comments i haven’t read. )
July 12th, 2009 at 12:12 PM
TBNTJudy
UK Lady
I found the most revealing part of that article to be that, while his shipmates were still being killed by the bombs he dropped on the deck, McCain was holed up in the Ready Room worrying over his next promotion. That story was taken from his book. Can one be more narcissistic than that?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:13 PM
austintx, my three sons, three of my grandkids and my ex all live in Austin. Progressives all, God Bless ‘em. I also love http://www.kissmybigbluebutt.com, a blog by a Texas good ol’gal who, I swear, channels Molly Ivins. I’m her Palin connection. LOL! Will come in handy if Buttercup heads down there to help Gov. Good Hair. Susan is just waiting to load the cannons and reopen the Alamo.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Lori in Los Angeles Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 11:40 AM
crystalwolf: YES – SAME Leah. She is a true leader in the fight to STOP the formation of a Theocracy in America.
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Thanks Lori
I kind of thought that might be so…I wonder why the bots aren’t all over her?
I ordered her book. It seems to go right with the talk2action site and c street.
Scary stuff. On talk2action…if you look on the side they have links and go to Dark Christian which is a forum but also has a dark christian wiki and you can look up domminist churches, biz, books everything. Pretty good if you want to check out your local church, or some of these “charitable organizations”.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Curiouser, the only “connection” I have seen for President Obama is his purported attendance at the annual National Prayer Breakfast. But didn’t he raise a scream of protest from our friends on the right by giving it a pass? Just sayin’.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:17 PM
From Gramiam’s link:
“We can turn this economy around, but we must unite against the failed spending policies of the Democrat majority, stop the administration’s tax and spend plans and grow the economy from the ground up, not the government down.”
Well, there they go again, bashing the democrats by using their classic bait-and-switch tactics. The failed spending policies that got us into this mess belong the republicans. But, we all know that. Grrrrr…..
July 12th, 2009 at 12:21 PM
This is Sunday and I would like to offer a prayer of thanks to my higher power for the gift to discern the odor of bullsh*t, however faint, in the statements of right wing politicians, journalists and followers. Amen
July 12th, 2009 at 12:21 PM
scaly little ankles! LOL!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:23 PM
I AM stepping away from the computer now, really I AM… Thank you all for such an entertaining and informative morning. I have been saving links to read later when I get back to town. I will catch up tonight. Really, I AM stepping away now… Enjoy the rest of the day, Mudpups!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Gramiam AKA Smoke Strapon Palin Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 12:21 PM
This is Sunday and I would like to offer a prayer of thanks to my higher power for the gift to discern the odor of bullsh*t, however faint, in the statements of right wing politicians, journalists and followers. Amen
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Did you look at the new thread before you wrote that ??
July 12th, 2009 at 12:27 PM
No I didn’t, austintx. I guess I must have been channeling AKM, ya think?
ROFLMAO!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Gramiam @220
Susan sounds like a hoot! Good for her!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Gramian – Just did a quick google. He addressed Coe’s Annual National Prayer Breakfast in Feb. Apparently every Pres. has done that since Eisenhower. He did just get some heat for not attending the National Day of Prayer activities – definitely not Family-related.
The msnbc link dated April ‘09 included Obama as attending some Coe meetings. It doesn’t seem that Obama’s policies fit the Coe ideology. Perhaps Obama attended as a young Senator to gain connections and see what it was about…same for Hillary…and, hopefully, stopped going.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:36 PM
new post
July 12th, 2009 at 12:41 PM
crystalwolf aka caligrl — I’ll look for more recent info on this later. We’re on our way to 112° here today, and I’m taking advantage of it still being only 108° to get a few more things done outside!
Oh, those Evangelicals are so nice! Look , they’re over there in Africa helping AIDS victims.
In Africa last year – over 2 million people died from AIDS, while 0 people died from condoms. And another 2.7 million people contracted HIV because they failed to use condoms to protect themselves and their partners.
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Obama to Keep Abstinence-Only AIDS Coordinator Mark Dybul
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/01/12/no-change-ogac-dybul-stay-at-least-now
Jodi Jacobson on January 12, 2009
“Confirming month-old rumors, a high-level source reported last night that President-Elect Obama’s transition team has asked Ambassador Mark Dybul to remain in place as Global AIDS Coordinator, despite strong opposition by treatment access, HIV prevention, and women’s rights advocates across the global HIV and AIDS community, many of whom signed letters calling for a change in PEPFAR leadership at this crucial time. While keeping Dybul on may be a stopgap measure for a new Administration dealing with huge problems across the board, it is a decision that signals we may not be getting ‘the change we need’ in global AIDS policies.”
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US HIV/AIDS efforts in Africa are in part conducted by Christian fundamentalists who withhold the means of prevention in contra-scientific preference to their own abstinence-only religious beliefs. How is that not taxpayer-financed proselytizing? And how offensive is it that they are willing to sacrifice lives by withholding the preventive care we’ve paid for to push their religious beliefs onto others? And that they are doing so in all our names?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Texas Gov. Perry Picks Creationist To Run State Education Board
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/12/gail-lowe-perry-picks-cre_n_230167.html
July 12th, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Closet Mudpup Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 12:41 PM
crystalwolf aka caligrl — I’ll look for more recent info on this later. We’re on our way to 112° here today, and I’m taking advantage of it still being only 108° to get a few more things done outside!
Oh, those Evangelicals are so nice! Look , they’re over there in Africa helping AIDS victims.
In Africa last year – over 2 million people died from AIDS, while 0 people died from condoms. And another 2.7 million people contracted HIV because they failed to use condoms to protect themselves and their partners.
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Obama to Keep Abstinence-Only AIDS Coordinator Mark Dybul
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/01/12/no-change-ogac-dybul-stay-at-least-now
Jodi Jacobson on January 12, 2009
“Confirming month-old rumors, a high-level source reported last night that President-Elect Obama’s transition team has asked Ambassador Mark Dybul to remain in place as Global AIDS Coordinator, despite strong opposition by treatment access, HIV prevention, and women’s rights advocates across the global HIV and AIDS community, many of whom signed letters calling for a change in PEPFAR leadership at this crucial time. While keeping Dybul on may be a stopgap measure for a new Administration dealing with huge problems across the board, it is a decision that signals we may not be getting ‘the change we need’ in global AIDS policies.”
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US HIV/AIDS efforts in Africa are in part conducted by Christian fundamentalists who withhold the means of prevention in contra-scientific preference to their own abstinence-only religious beliefs. How is that not taxpayer-financed proselytizing? And how offensive is it that they are willing to sacrifice lives by withholding the preventive care we’ve paid for to push their religious beliefs onto others? And that they are doing so in all our names?
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Unf*%King believable!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Closet Mudpup -
I linked our local paper’s story on Perry’s appointment @ 177.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:16 PM
To Closet Mudpup @ #108 / BuffaloGal @ #113 / TBNTJudy @ #116
Regarding “The Family,” have you seen these articles about Hillary Clinton’s involvement with the group? I haven’t read all the comments yet so apologies if this has already been covered.
One is a 2008 piece by Barbara Ehrenreich in The Nation; the other is a 2007 Mother Jones article co-written by Jeff Sharlet, who joined The Family’s home for young men in 2002 and wrote about it.
http://tiny.cc/FamilyMJ
http://tiny.cc/FamilyNation
While I was never a Clinton fan (though I was not a hater, either—then or now), I was shocked when I read these pieces during the presidential primary last year.
It’s puzzling to me that this quasi-religious organization, not to mention the Clinton affiliation, never got more national attention. Perhaps there will be more discussion now about this “Family” group? I hope so.
While I’m by no means against religion per se, I really really value the separation of church and state.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Lori in Los Angeles (204)
Nan – YES. RUMOR is that one of her judge appointments is a member of her Dominionist church, his last name is “Heath” (coincidentally?). Seven Mountain Dominionist on AK Supreme Court? Yikes.
oh rats. Thanks for the info
July 12th, 2009 at 2:14 PM
@PhotonFlower: thanks for mentioning Jeff Sharlet. He did infiltrate the Family house. I first read an article he did in Harper’s Magazine about it (it is online, but you have to be a subscriber). He has recently published a book about the Family”
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247437573&sr=1-1
should be awesome!
July 12th, 2009 at 2:21 PM
McCain is a maverick no more if he ever was.I Read stories that said he lied about his torture and he gave information to get better conditions and food,ect. Just something I found on the Internet when checking candidates out during the primaries ,Sure looks like he has been told to follow the party line or he would not be supported.After reading the article about him giving info for better treatment I would never never vote for the man,He admits himself he gave info to the enemy just said it was for different reasons,
As for Palin remember Gault ,Gretas husband he was supposedly a democrat and advised Palin and just maybe he told her to go this way and his church=cult would help her
July 12th, 2009 at 2:22 PM
oops, hit enter too soon.
Also wanted to share that Sharlet is involved in a website called “Killing the Buddha,” and there is an excerpt from his book on the Family up now:
http://killingthebuddha.com/mag/damnation/chosen/
July 12th, 2009 at 2:28 PM
yellerdogg Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Some more information on Sarah’s new friend the Lithuanian Defense Minister, Rasa Juneviciene:
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/?doc=3367
The U.S. National Prayer Breakfast is sponsored by ‘The Family’, the same group that operates C – Street. Although RM has reported on it’s influence regarding American politics, it is a global movement that has tentacles in many governments, including Lithuania.
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Lithuania is a firmly Catholic country. The X-ians will take over Russia before they take over Lithuania.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:32 PM
PhotonFlower
I hadn’t seen either of those articles before, nor had I seen any others linking Hillary to a religion of that nature. Thanks for those links. I’ve ScrapBooked* them and will look more at that later in the week.
[*ScrapBook is a Firefox extension for saving web pages that allows deletions, highlighting, and adding notes.]
July 12th, 2009 at 3:38 PM
I too,also, agree with Lovemydogs and have palin burnout. But if we all get burnout on corrupt politics, they win. I am so grateful for you all ‘hounddogging’ these issues and bringing to light what is really going on. This is how we keep ‘em honest! I am only afraid that there is a lot of work to do and hope there is enough rabid mudpuppies around the country to get it done!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:17 PM
There’s always a tendency to burn out near the end. But we haven’t crossed the finish line yet. She’s still governor until Parnell is sworn in. After that, you can dismiss Sarah.
But then….you’ll need to be vigilant of Parnell.
The fight doesn’t end. But when there are many, some can take the occasional break while others step in.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:55 AM
I visited Mudflaps last year after Sarah was nominated and have regrettably not been back. That’s changed now!
Consider me a fan and fellow.
I’ve discussed many of the issues here on my blog, please visit!
http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/