Ordinance 64 – Live Blogging, Round V
Yes, boys and girls… it’s time for Red Shirt Theatre, Act V. The Non-Discrimination Ordinance public testimony continues. The link for live streaming the Anchorage Assembly Meeting is HERE.
Use this thread to live blog the meeting if you feel so inclined. Public testimony will be given regarding Ordinance 64, which extends Anchorage’s non-discrimination policy to include the words “sexual orientation.” The red shirt brigade are an organized crowd from several local area evangelical churches.
This will be the second round of public testimony in front of new Mayor Dan Sullivan.
Recent polling suggests that the ordinance has very good public support, although you’d never know it from watching these meetings.
The meeting runs until 11pm Alaska time (midnight Pacific, 3am Eastern) and I am unsure when public testimony on this topic will begin. Stay tuned…
UPDATE:
That’s it, folks. The public testimony is closed. The Assembly voted to extend the meeting 20 minutes to make it to the end of the list. Ossiander hit the gavel at 11:20pm. Now they actually get to discuss it next time.
Loud and boisterous voices do not always win the day.
Here’s hoping for humanitarian efforts to be rewarded…too, also.
After reading your prior post, everything is rosy. Things which appear one way actually turn in your favor!
Same, too, with 64. Keep on ‘em, Alaskans. You WILL prevail !!!!!!
Hey all! Where are all the red shirts?
Madame Chair is wearing pea-soup green tonight. Currently going through old business.
Will be tweeting at http://twitter.com/yksin when I get over there shortly.
The chambers are looking quite empty… Someone may know more than I do about when testimony begins.
Great tribute to Allan Tesche earlier. I had the honor to meet him last year. His legacy will live on in this community for a long, long time.
Thanks Mel Green…. I can’t always see or hear this link so I will watch your tweets as well as read comments here.
if there are no red shirts then there wont be any bathroom talk..
I posted on previous thread:
Anchorage Assembly honoured The Late Mr. Allen Tesche for his service. Mary Tesche, his daughter was there to accept a certificate or something that was handed to her.
I’m glad they honored Allan Tesche. I wish I had seen it. He will be missed so much… an amazing man.
Testimony is 13D on the Agenda. We’re on 11F right now. It’ll be a little while yet.
“The red shirt brigade are an organized crowd from several local area evangelical churches”.
That just kind of says it all, – good christians all, I’m sure. lol
Assembly Chairperson is not wearing a Red jacket.
Are we sure the ordinance hearing is scheduled for tonight?? LOL
are you actually there this time, AKM?
Hello – I am upstairs in the library working on a class assignment, but will be down to watch the excitement later. Brians are napping in the car with the dog, they may sit this one out. See you all on the telly –
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“The red shirt brigade are an organized crowd from several local area evangelical churches”.
OOPS AKM, you put an “r” in the third word by mistake.
I thought I heard them say the bill would be brought up Aug 22nd at the last meeting.
Plus, “brigade” is a collective noun, so “…brigade [is]…” Sorry, getting ready for our 2009-2010 school year. I have to keep on my toes. I agree with the unnecessary “r” in the third word.
PS watching comments to see when the fireworks start….
Good one, Lori!
Guess I’ll run out and feed the herd of desert moose before the fun starts here. I sure am glad that you posted that article by the anonymoose pastor. That was so excellent. It should be posted in the ADN and Frontiersman.
Oh goodie, a few red shi(r)ts have entered …
Thanks in advance live bloggers – I’m reading!
Thank you berry much, Lori.
Just spit my ice cube somewhere. …
When I was downstairs hoping to sign up to speak in favor. I have lost track of the sign up process at this point. There were only two people outside with signs when I drove in and they were wearing blue I think. Definitely not red.
oops sorry I was interrupted – I meant to say there was a woman waiting to sign up to speak in favor – I already spoke – sorry.
Assembly is still in intermission. Do they have a popcorn stand somewhere? And giant paper cups of icy soda? Good n Plenty boxes?
i wonder if we will be graced with eddie b. tonight, or he might be in mourning over his queens dethroning.
“Do they have a popcorn stand somewhere? ”
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Coffee shop, second floor.
Are they starting with the comments for and against 64 right after the intermission? And how long is the intermission?
Looks like assembly members are wandering back in. I wasn’t listening when they said how long the intermission would be.
Intermission over
Still going over some other old items
Maybe they are delaying until fat eddie comes waddling in. …
I’m ready!
Parasites and microbes and food poisoning, oh my!
Weren’t the red shirts the first to die in Star Trek®
Hand washing, cross-contamination and proper preparation also too oh my!
I have to go through all that regulatory stuff as a farmer who does value-added food products
Somebody should tell the people who testify to step.back.from.the.microphone. When they kiss the thing their voices are all funny because they’re too loud.
Time to go below – into the pit of dispair and disorganized rhetoric.
and when they bump the mic it sounds like a fart
Gee, it’s too bad it’s getting late here on the east coast… I’d sure love to stick around and see how many other people can spew hate and discontent over my “choice” of lifestyle. *hork*
You all have fun. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what happened. When will they vote finally? I hope the people of Anchorage are outraged that their ass-embly meeting was hijacked and do the right thing.
anadventurer–yes, yes they were! The Spouse always points that out for me…
Any bathroom incidents reported yet? WHO IS GUARDING THE BATHROOMS?
haven’t they had regs for wearing gloves already?? geez!
@Ripley, the rate they’re going I thin the vote will be in the 22nd Century.
It’s a plot, I tell ya. They want to stretch out the boring business until I get so tired I can’t stay up and watch and report!
use a tissue when garnishing a drink??? blechhh
How do they think anything gets cooked without touching it? Come on ppl!
cripes, when I was a bartender, my hands were in the hot washwater cleaning glasses ALL the time. My hands haven’t been near as clean since then.
oooh, the dreaded “point of order”
arggghhhh!
sorry – hit “go” too soon.
Did they just move the discussion on 64 to the end?
It’s party time!
Finally. 13D up now.
sounds like they did but here we go!
I suggest that if the speakers can’t print their names clearly enough to be read out loud, they can’t speak.
well, that’s what I would do if I was in charge.
Testimony on the equal rights ordinance is starting, #505-512 on the sign up sheet. NOTE: this is the 6th public hearing on the ordinance, not round 5.
What a way to start!
first speaker in favor, audio is breaking up
totally off topic but vote
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/21/2009-07-21_palin_may_have_violated_ethics_laws.html
First up is well-spoken, gay himself, says fear and seeking power at root of objections to ordinance.
foster dad, award winning school psychologist (?), has a partner (?) of 10 yrs. “Not a choice.” Is for.
Very well spoken, calm
I think a blue shirt should read aloud at the podium “A Retired Pastor’s Thoughts on Red Shirts and Blue Shirts”.
There is a God. God designed the human body. A red shirt in yellow clothing. Designed human male person for “coupling” with human female. Ack…
David from Anchorage now. opposed in any form
Looks like Uriah Heep – is opposed. “Praise God” (huh?)
wants evidence examined thoroughly, honestly and objectively. Gawd, now an anatomy lesson..
God’s will….sighhhhhhh
Next guy up talking about God, God’s will, God’s design, God’s intentions for the use of our bodies … *sigh* … can’t condone sexual intercourse outside of God’s design therefore he’s against 64 in any fashion.
I’d like to see a *Red Shirt* reading it! (ha, will never happen)
No one is infringing on your religious freedom, lady… gimme a break.
“Unlike others, Christians don’t force people to convert…” Crusades anyone?
red shirts lining up to speak now. This woman says this violates her religious freedoms
AKM @73
Native peoples, also?
The law is not meant to duplicate “God’s word”… what is wrong with these people?
Red shirt lady against. Country founded on Judeo-christian ethics. Bible says Jesus can work a miracle in anyone’s life (meaning gays can be cured).
This woman suggests that homosexuals are trying to convert people to their lifestyle? Another person quoting the Bible as authority. I’m SOOOOO sick of the attempt to intermingling church and state. I don’t give a F$$$ what their Bible says!
The thought of any of those geeks in red shirts coupling makes my stomach turn but I’m not standing in front of Anchorage whining about it.
sigh…”I will give my life for Jesus..”
Can’t understand this one. sounds like she swallowed the mike (might be a good thing)
oh, she knows people like that.
Oh my!!!! “They want to lower the age of consent to 12 so they can have relations with young children”
OMG!
Pedophiles. Recruiting. Advertising. Influencing young boys. Anchorage is not ready for a San Francisco style parade.
“with young boys” is also orientation (according to her – wrong!) She knows a lesbian who has *never* been discriminated against… applauds the honesty there.
humpf
Nan, that sounds a bit, hmmm…
heh.. this red shirt lady says gays can’t procreate therefore they must recruit… look out! they be comin’ for you next!
Left side, row 6 next to aisle. Where were the outside kiddie protesters?
bad for schools???????????????
Wasn’t there a gay pride parade in Anchorage last month?
Yes. Yes there was…. (head bang) AKM
Blondie red-shirt is an airhead.
“We’re not allowed to pray”
if this passes they want ordinance to put bible back in schools.
sigh.
We’re not allowed to pray in school. It’s not fair that children can see two women kissing in school. Need 10 commandments in school so kids have “a choice.”
Wine!
OMG. I have had people try to recruit me to their religious views. I have never had a gay person try to recruit me to their sexual orientation, and I have had many gay friends including a college roommate.
put the Bible back in the schools if you enact this ordinance!
Treasury dept, is he gonna say gays don’t pay taxes?
Ordinance will push gay agenda in front of her precious children.. how to explain two lesbians kissing… if assembly puts ordinance in, they will force schools to allow bibles again…
justafarmer – huh? (did I word something weird?)
I need more Scotch…
Students are allowed to pray in schools. They do it all the time. There are even bible clubs.
Sexual harassment in the workplace because of sexual orientation is already addressed in the law, he says. I give him points for taking a novel approach to opposing the ordinance.
this man is the perfect example of why this ordinance is needed! He’s in charge of settling these things?
“Christians are compelled to oppose the ordinance, not because we hate…” Oh nooo, redshirts don’t hate.
At least this guy isn’t preaching the Bible to us, oops spoke too soon.
We’re not called to condemn the sinners… So there shouldn’t be a law to support non-discrimination. huh?
Ah! Armpit shot!
This guy objects to ordinance because title VII already covers it with regard to sexual harassment. That doesn’t cover housing discrimination however. School districts already prohibit sexual discrimination under Title IX. Generally more reasoned than a lot of the vitriol spewed here (but still not right, because the existing laws aren’t enforced).
AKM, re yor very recent head bang…you have GOT to see Jon Stewart’s head bang into a cream pie on tonight’s show
H8R
“One side is for morals” … And the other side wears red shirts.
Judgement day, run for cover!!!!
im not saying anything about her height……….
super bee – he didn’t beat us over the head with it though. Wasn’t bad.
new gal – one side for truth, morals t’other is icky etc.
list of bible verses – ‘A shame I don’t have time to read them all to you ” (thank you!)
awwwwwwwww judgement day
Loretta red shirt…one side (hers) in for truth….
cripes…SHAME on these pastors who don’t know their Bible! She’s a real piece of work
Kids will continue to be bullied and even driven to suicide in school whether there’s an ordinance in place or not. The value judgements being made…. the Godly good people are giving Christianity a bad name. And why do these people feel the need to quote the Bible into the record of a public assembly?
I don’t believe in your Judgement day, lady. Even if you believe in it, that does not make it real.
Lies, perversion, shameful behavior. God made it clear in Leviticus… The abomination quote. Shellfish and mixed fabric is also an abomination on the same page of the Bible. Hmm…what fabric is your jacket made of lady?
Judgement day…bla bla bla. God is the judge. Won’t accept excuses. I’m sorry won’t work on that day. It will be too late. You have a choice.
God said I will send my anger upon you. He is watching and listening.
Oy. She was a scary one.
“They will have a rude awakening on Judgment Day.” More Bible-speak. Don’t interfere with other people’s relationship with God or Goddess or Buddha or FSM. Don’t they get that? If God will have the last word, then let Her and you guys mind your own business.
“I’m sorry won’t work either” on Judgment Day. She might want to think about that
Red shirt. Can’t we at least lose the gum, buddy?
spit the gum out
Reading from oregon. Thank you all.
Is he chawing tobacco or chewing a wad of gum? Eww.
Tim chewing away on something in his mouth. Way to make a grownup impression, Tim!
I thought I saw SP sitting on an aisle seat. *blink*
not prepared
probation?
You know, these hearings or forums or whatever are starting to feel like those awful nightmares when you wake up (or think you have woken up) and then doze off just to find yourself still in the same damn nightmare.
Lol! The gum. Thanks for letting those of us who can’t see what is going on.
what on earth is is talking about??? It’s Palinese
Is adultry is that book of rules? I think there would be a lot of “christians” left out of heaven!!!!
That was close, iPhone opened up on a pr0n site, I never would have gotten it back from Eddie Burke.
Funny, I go to church with a bunch of Christians who don’t spout all this Bibble-babble… but then, a bunch of them are gay. So this stuff really offends me.
Why do people think it’s cool to chew gum in public? Makes ‘em look downright bovine.
get a job – and for the lord… huh? apply for job, 90 day probabtion, here are the rules… if you fulfill the rules then you’re full time position. Same w/christian realm – oh my. Bible is the rule book, but our “probation” is 70 yrs (the 3-score & ten). Then, at end of probation etc, you’re “hired” or out the door.
And what that has to do with the ordinance is beyond me.
Christians have instructions manuals???
I guess these folks who are so wrapped up in their cross can no longer recognize the value in anyone else’s beliefs (or absence of specific beliefs).
How small their world must be. It’s all within their own head, their own sphere.
The lady in white pants waiting to speak has a Sarah-esque look about her.
Even though I have a profound appreciation for Jesus, it is because of people like this that I don’t go to a house of worship.
What is driving me crazy are these people over the past weeks who say that their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. Absopositively. Somewhere I hear this voice saying something about beware of false prophets. As AKM said earlier, there is a lot in the Bible, some in the same books that they are quoting, that they obviously aren’t complying with.
look at the women next in line to speak fanning herself desperately.
Hey lady! take the jacket off that is disguising your red shirt!
we are in a battle people
I see several Palinesque updos. Perhaps my moral decline would be halted if only I did my hair like hers?
Trying to change the moral course of our nation and we shouldn’t do that. “What is right and what is wrong does not change.”
What about slavery? Inter-racial marriage? Child labor? Stoning adulterers?
Breakdown of our society. The founding fathers built the country on an anti-homosexual agenda, apparently.
Go home!
It’s a Sarah clone! Eeeewwwwww
and she has SP’s hairstyle without the bumpits
I think we have a Palin impersonator!
sarah wannabe
GinnyRED – perish the thought!
Sarah’s twin is taking now. Nice hair… lol
hahahaaa! founding fathers’ moral…guess she hasn’t heard about Ben Franklin!
she is wearing one of SP’s scarves!!!
she speaks better than buttercup. i can understand her
Thanks for being there and doing the right thing!
Our side will win, in time.
lived in country in ’55 – not raised in prejudice,
raised to be contributing member of society. (here comes de lawd now)… works for AK for 15 yrs, over 100 diff staff members without discrim.
if she starts talking about dead fish…………..
I just want someone to stand up and say “Ok, lets do what the red shirters want and vote down 64, because no one should have special rights simply because of a choice they made. And while we are at it, let’s remove those groups that also fall under the choice category, like say religion” And when they scream First Amendment, you just simply say that taking away their special rights in no way prevents them from practicing their religion.
fern – yep, it is like the movie “Groundhog Day.” Anyone know how many more people are signed up to testify?
she is quoting an elder???
Those people because of their religion want to kill me, nine-eleven!
Ye Gods, this is even more incoherent than Palin Herself.
Wacko.
In defense of freedom this blonde woman with red shirt, scarf and yellow jacket (bad colors for a blond) speaks against ordinance. She’s a state employee. Hasn’t witnessed any discrimination, loves all. She doesn’t judge. Reading aphorisms from native traditions. Where is she going with this?
If everyone in Alaska and born again preacher? Jesus!
Wasn’t raise with “prejudist”. State employee. Never witnessed discrimination. Loves all people of all races. Christians love one another and don’t judge. God is the judge.
After a long long rambling meditation about how you can’t know another’s situation unless you are like them….she says vote no.
Ack
she should be listening to what she is saying
Wasilla person
BLUE! Advisor at UAA. Alaska has a lot of work to do on discrimination.
where is this going???? SHe’s *for* it??? complaining about dealing with student issues as a – what, a housemom?
yay for her!
a blue from wasilla, is that possible
Hurray for nerds, I say. Good girl, she did her research.
Someone from Wasilla who is for the ordinance? Wow, nice
she’s complaining about the fact she is trianed to deal with this and she has learned this ordinance is needed
Applause!
Is this the fedex fast talking guy?0
Wasilla resident, student in Anchorage. Interesting. Says only group out of the six that were persecuted in Germany under Hitler is not now protected in Anchorage. Is for ordinance.
wow! she was accused of being a lesbian because she didn’t have a boyfriend serving in Iraq
wish this gal was a little better organized in her speech… she’s got some good thoughts (if you can winnow them out of the verbiage).
she is full of sh*t
oh here we go…
Argghh! I hate when they try to equate gays with pedophiles.
All homosexuals are pedophiles … Yawn, there’s a broken record in this room.
her son was approached by 2 men, “does he have this to look forward to with this ord?” (already happening, hon – turn the jerks in, silly)
Oh please make it stop!!!
she going to cry because her son was approached….at least she didn’t mention bathrooms
Do these people listen to each other? Why do they have to repeat, repeat, repeat!?
If this ordinance passes how will this red shirt, dark jacketed lady protect her child!? Already many avenues to file a complaint. She’s been called a gay basher and hateful. How will this affect her child in private school five, ten years from now?
people attempted to block her entry into the Assembly meeting? giveme a break
yes! was told to go to cops re kid
I call bullsh*t on that lady, somehow I find it hard to believe that happened to her son and she didn’t report it to authorities.
ooooh, it happened in a LIBRARY!
librarys to
Speaking of bathrooms, I got here late, has anyone used that tonight?
Must have been a church requirement to come “testify.”
uhoh, she’s doing calisthenics
Pastors who are for the ordinance are “false prophets”.
Homophobe gets up and cries to the assembly that her children were sexually approached by gay adults at one of the hearings – BS! If that were true, she would have gone to the police or security guards immediately, not come whining to the assembly a month later. What an horrible mother!
a warning from God (that this (?) was gonna happen)… now gonna “explain” what the ord is gonna do… oboy (bathrooms maybe?)
Wow, she’s embarrassing.
“Its not my belief, but it’s true” WTF?
Grr! Follow Jesus because there is no other path to follow???
can these people come of with anything other than “my Christian values”
Red shirt girl: Keep your hearts open to my Bible verses. Sheesh. Pastors are misinterpreting the Bible ( I know better!) People don’t understand what this ord. will do – you need to do more work. Only one belief. I haven’t heard anyone so self-righteous, over-confident and presumptious. Gack!
oboy… only one belief and that’s jesus christ and if you don’t believe, there’s -well there’s only one belief
quoting specific scripture. sigh.
Oh dear. Black/white large diamond shaped pattern on shirt. Quoting Matthew (bible). She says God doesn’t agree with the lifestyle that ordinance is about. Her beliefs aren’t really her beliefs, they’re true. There’s only one belief, if you don’t believe, there’s not another path to follow. Homos are abomination. More bible quoting.
Well, I guess we know which column she’s in.
Darn, this is another Bibble-babbler, droning on. I can’t believe she says “God loves everyone… as far as that goes.”
OMG. I have some gay friends? Oldie but goodie
if for the ordinance, then against god…
does not agree with the few gay friends lifestyle
oh she has homosexual friends, so it’s ok to be hateful
My beliefs are the one and only path, and you must believe what I believe or my beliefs are not valid! So there! (* stomp *)
Blue lady, that makes 3 tonight.
Why do people who have such faith in God, are so freakin fearful. Dum Dums!
This woman is going to make me cry. Hooray for her
I liked the apart about there being one religion. Period. Says it all.
this is kinda sad testimony
Is my family less important than your family…
compelled to speak after hearing the 1st days testimony
is afraid for her job, fam, home. 15 yr old son, she and her partner complain about taxes, they have an epileptic dog… (regular folks). But her family is “not worth protection?”
honest, stand up for what y”believe in… is guarded in her own daily life
I love this woman.
Blue shirt woman, talking about family, speaks to her son about honoring diversity. She’s always guarded … her partner and her are in fear of giving themselves away.
Moving testimony.
“I’m tired of pretending to be something I’m not”
bless her heart. Fearful of retaliation. asks for voting wisely
“This is MY town too”
Right on, brave Woman in Blue. Can someone explain her reference to dog-earing?
Wow. She was awesome. It’s my city too. Is my family less than yours? Less worthy of protection?
I clapped at home.
I liked her mentioning that her gay dollars are the same
lady lawyer now
Explaining the legalities. Good job!
non-practicing lawyer, teaches undergrad about law…
equal protect clause do not protect discrimination – or equal protection under law at state level. Private transactions are not covered
someone spoke of gender orient, ident, etc stated that Title 7 of equal protect – does not protect in this case.
she’s not reading, she’s speaking
GinnyRED57: Dog-earing dollars you give to taxes, marking the dollars to make sure you know exactly where they end up, tracking gov’t spending.
she’s good
I like this lawyer lady a lot. *hugs* to her.
she’s rebutting a previous red-shirt (she’s apparently blue – very blue) – asking for the 2nd point (over time)
re special rights “zero sum game fallacy” – limited number of rights (we’re not gonna use up the rights?)
Good point about the zero-sum reasoning. The religulous are terrified they’ll be discriminated against, I guess.
Lawyer woman, now teaches law. Says discrimination is not prevented by current law, absent state action. Existing law does not protect. She’s good. Rights given to one group already would not be diminished by giving same rights also to another group.
Very nice. She’s being questioned by assembly members.
Person speaking says Titles VII and IX do NOT cover discrimination for sexual orientation. Very important point; obviously explains why this ordinance is needed. Court case cited earlier doesn’t apply to case law in AK. Special rights imply there is a zero sum game going on, that giving one segment rights will take rights away from someone else. Not true. She is excellent!
She’s awesome! So was the gal before her.
Holy cow, is that a phone book?
I *liked* her!
This guy from Missouri looks like he woke up with a hangover. Squirrel story?
Great fun sitting behind reddies and clapping after a blue speaker.
omg… cringing in MO here
ooh, previous red guy printed his court citations off the intertubes…they’re going to check on it
Okay… squirrel guy is a looney tune.. I’m just sayin’…
Ordinance is like a squirrel trying to get in the guy’s attic. Next!
now we have squirrels in the attic…sigh
this man has squirrels in more than just his attic!
a rental guy
Missouri dude has a stack of paper & legal pads, yet totally unprepared.
Squirrel Man… is squirrely. Is he about to have some kind of psychotic break?
… looking for closet to hide in…
Either he’s scared spitless, or he’s blitzed. not sure which.
(He’s off his meds.)
Think about this folks. If the red shirters had their way, the lady in the blue scrubs wouldn’t be allowed to have custody of her fifteen year old son.
he mixed up his notecards
This guy is a whack job. Didn’t come here to pray to you. Why didn’t you prepare a seat for me. Squirrels gnawing into his attic? What the…
Property taxes. Asking people if they have a lawnmower…not interested in sexual behavior. Can any of you deny that Anchorage is a municipal corporation? Citing the charter. Protection of common law. Constitutions are a limitation by nature? What did you enforce to protect sixth amendment?
Is he on drugs?
Alaska pride shirt!
Look at the people behind him looking around asking what the hell? Times up thank God!
Play Squirrel Man off, Keyboard Cat.
I have no idea what the last guy was talking about? Anyone?
This guy is from Missouri?
Brought up BIG stack of papers and a bottle of water. Talking about a squirrel who got into his attic. Wonders where his seat is? Is chastising assembly for troubles he has had with taxes for the 50-60 houses he owns?
Just wow. He is acting sorta drunk, methinks. Wearing a sandy gray suit, white shirt and brown patterned tie. He’s still chastising assembly for some other grievances. He needs a hug but he’s too creepy for me.
Squirrel guy claims Alaska has no laws.
WHAT is he talking about “send us down to” … whatever it is. (not all of MO is like that, honest! some, yes, not all)
America haz talent
apparently he has Constitution for Dummies on notecards. Mixed them up and he was lost
My son-in law is a manager for place that people eat at in his company and he had to go for classes to make sure he knew about how long to cook things ect,how long he could leave salads out.Since he has been a cook for quite a few years he passed with flying colors and yes he wears gloves when handling food sometimes even here at home.Very thin see thru gloves.When he grills and makes patties he uses them,There is a reason for that cross contamination
Noooo! She’s singing “Yes, Jesus loves me”.
Singing “Jesus Loves Me” in a blue shirt. Does this make the third musical? I’ve lost count.
Oh boy!!! Well, she’s in pretty good tune. I may start crying.
Oh, noooo she din’t! oh no no no noooooo
oh my
cut her mic!!!!!!!!
Oh my. Lady singing “Jesus loves me this I know,” a capella of course. She’s for the ordinance.
AKM, you really have quite a variety of characters in Anchorage!
Woman sang “yes Jesus loves me” and then announced support of ordinance. WTF?
my bad! sorry!
What is this women’s name? I want to make sure my kids don’t have her.;
political propoganda
Blondie is a red-shirt. Ack.
omg. educating us about what the homosexual agenda really is (apparently). And this is a schoolteacher.
How does she deal with gay parents? Flunk their kids?
Said her name was Lynn something.
this will impair free speech?
This short light blond woman says ordinance is attempt to stop the majority from their rights to freedom of speech. (how?) Ordinance would make community acknowlege gay movement which is an abomination.
Public school teacher. Habit of the homosexual movement to cry discrimination. Well-crafted political propoganda. Attempt to stop the majority from the free exercise of speech. Tenacious and aggressive – a movement to redefine marriage, family, constitutional rights and protections. A movement entrenched in education, law and government.
I can’t believe this woman is a public school teacher.
Behaviors are a direct insult and affront to “the creator”.
This woman is self-righteous, and bitter. If Meg Stapleton gets fired, she’s the replacement.
wow, she’s using lots of big words
Now lady saying this is a grand conspiracy to undermine families and moral decency. No one expects the Grand Inquisitor.
And she said she was a public school teacher.
I’m sorry I missed Blondies testimony reading Mudpup commentary. I think you guys have her beat in the funny department so it’s all good.
“Jesus love me” was FOR it? Geez, I’d tuned her out!
This one is a freakin’ lecturer. with delusions of religion.
The lady who sang was refuting all those christianists who’ve been insisting that God and Jebus hate teh gay.
Because, of course, God does not make junk.
Oh heck, reddies just sat next to me, think they own the edging row.
GO BABY GO!
Next up. Stop these hearings (gives all the right reasons, imo). Thanks assembly, asks them to think of how awful it has been for the homosexual community.
lol GreyGrey! Stay strong!
I like this lady, she has a sense of humor, still makes her point.
“copious examples of unique logic” – mentions the threats to their assembly seat(s) – complimenting the assembly apparently.
enough already (true). move to end hearing. gee, there’s prejudice – leads to acts of discrim – 1st nite had instances of discrim
Suluvan is gone, again.
GG, which side of the room are you sitting?
Has anyone ever checked with the EO office in Anchorage about how many complaints have been filed in the last year regarding religious discrimination.
AKM, you are being pretty tough on that teacher…..Stapleton is her replacement? Ouch!
Wow. This woman is great! So happy to have many blues tonight!
LOL Patrick Flynn
Request that hearings be stopped. Heard it all already in face of accusations of corruption, etc. Legally sanctioned gay-bashing going on in testimony. Can’t collect data b/c they are not protected. Dangerous for GBLT to come and give evidence or voice support. Need equivalent rights for all people. Great speech, well-prepared.
what was the joke? I missed it completely
this woman is great!
Pansexual?
Matthew from Anchorage speaking now, supporting the ordinance
Left side, row 6 center aisle
Rob, I have three kids in the Anchorage public schools. I would not someone so openly bigoted teaching any of them.
he’s a law student & a sexual minority.
He is also very well-spoken
@Nan
What is the eternal damnation serving on the assembly or being removed from it?
Joke: she was called back to clarify if eternal damnation constituted losing one’s assembly seat, or serving on the assembly.
Blue shirt fellow, short brown beard, asks for passage of ordinance for all sexual orientation, so that LGBT persons can be themselves in ordinary life situations.
Tiffany McLean! She is great. ACLU lawyer.
Pansexual? sounds like fun.
AKM, Pansexual? Either they have a thing for people who play the flute or cooking ware
Wow, Tiffany rocks!!
Tiffany from Anchorage now
Yes! Brown v. Bd. of Education…. ppl used their religious beliefs to oppose school integration, too.
thx GG, I’m just seeing the other side of the room/aisle so far
Tiffany is awesome!
(ty Bee! et al)
yay Tiffany!!!
Smoke time
She’s one smart cookie!
This testimony sure sharply contrasts how insane the red shirts appear.
Another blue shirt – yea! And an AA. So far, my observation has been that the few AAs who spoke were against the ord. for religious reasons. Religion is no excuse for discrimination in the public sphere. Even compares issue to discrimination against AAs (which many before have claimed was not the same). Very good testimony.
lol! “Look around white people are still here)
Tiffany was very good.
3-4 min break, someone in assembly needs to go to the bathroom maybe.
Bunch of large guys in red at the back. Kind of unsettling. They keep moving around on camera.
intermission again
While you’re waiting, here’s a speech given by JFK which is still relevant today regarding separation of church and state. Hits directly at Prevo and Sarah. This one is almost 11 minutes, but well worth it. I’ll post a key snippet of it in next post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBNlS8Zg1WA
Back in 1948, the powers that were said that Harry Truman was destroying the military when he integrated it. Hmmm. Colin Powell anyone?
@Ginny…
They do that at every meeting
Thank goodness for the blue shirts. If it had been another like last time, I’d never have lasted.
Camera view is now above and to the right hand side of the assembly room…
Boy, this sure feels a heck of a lot better than the last meeting when it was a constant march thru of mouth breathers
I’ll probably check out now. Having stress test tomorrow and don’t want to raise my blood pressure any more tonight. Also can’t drink anything, so no solace of any kind available. Sigh. ‘Night Mudpups. I’ll check your live blog tomorrow. Thanks to all for hanging in there.
BTW, SP has been twittting again.
Sign about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry
I’ll sign SB125 Aerospace Corp bill tonight; encourages developmnt of the industry in AK as we capitalize on our strategic location on globe about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry
Also sign SB177Sport Fish Guide Lic/Kenai Rvr Mgmnt Area bill;xtends sunset for sport fish guide program & addresses harvest data collection about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry
JFK’s snippet on church and state (1:23 min):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAvHHTt2czU
Bucfan, I agree, and was just joking about AKM being tough on the teacher. Being compared to Meg is rather severe, after all.
I don’t want my kids anywhere near that kind of close-minded hateful spewing. They wouldn’t tolerate it, anyway!
bucfan – no kidding
And I admit, IF I had had any doubt about Obama, when I saw Colin Powell endorse him, that would have convinced me. As it was, it only made my decision feel even more right.
GG get into the middle of the aisle and wave to the back of the room!
go vote why you are waiting
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/21/2009-07-21_palin_may_have_violated_ethics_laws.html
Bedtime here in the Midwest…. see you all later.
Ginny, I see them too. Doesn’t surprise me. I’m sure it was planned to try and intimidate supporters of the ordinance.
Rob, that teacher made the nun’s who taught me back in the 60′s look tolerant.
O/T, DailyKOS has article called ‘Greta Van Susteren’ Hubby Hurts Palin’ @
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/22/756203/-Greta-Van-Susterens-Hubby-Hurts-Palin
Tshirts tonight, in red and blue, “I think, therefore I am not a fan of Jerry Prevo”
lexky – look at the available options – none that are against! (mine would be – yes my opinion has changed – I think even less of her)
Has your opinion of Sarah Palin changed since she announced she would resign as Governor of Alaska?
Yes, I can’t abide a quitter.
No, I still think she’s a good politician.
She did it for Alaska, I like her even more now!
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/21/2009-07-21_palin_may_have_violated_ethics_laws.html#ixzz0LxhNqkQb
But Rob, for me it’s hard to tell who it was more of an insult at, Meg being compared to the teacher or the teacher being compared to Meg
crap…too many people doing discrete waves…
GREATGREY, find out where they got those made. I am still trying to find the ABT shirts from a couple of weeks ago. “Anything But Tolerant”
lol, GreatGrey.
Now THAT’S funny!
nan
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i agree but i love these polls, it really messes with the trolls.
hey im rhyming tonight
Justafarmer, well, they have to discretely wave. It’s not like they can moon the camera. Although that would be the highlight of this meeting
GreatGrey, if you could just nonchalantly mosey over to the area of the podium…
WE”RE BAAAACCCKKK
lol lexky
ennealogic – did you see the link to what looks like a brand new blog on that dailykos link you gave? Wow.
Yes, emails! I vote emails!
i knew they would be getting sick of all of this
All the people in red should leave because how many times can you say that gay people are evil.
Can’t mosey right now, Ossiander wouldnt like it
bucfan, there was a guy in a white shirt who bent over double and it was ALMOST a moonshot
She just wants the red shirters to shut the heck up.
lol, GreatGrey, I hear Ossiander now!
justafarmer, lol
hey justafarmer
hows north ky doing?
@nan – thanks, just noticed, bookmarking it.
Ok back in session, Madame Chair told people they could e-mail it in!
now THAT was funny! Don’t feel you have to come forward when your name is called.
NKY is ok … waiting on the storms coming
oh my…suicide story…
The guy in the red hat in line is making me nervous
Still no sign of Eddie, probably dealing with his bff Sarah’s problems.
this woman needs to get to the point
He didn’t let me down, bring up AIDs.
Because everyone knows only gay people get AIDs.
Billy Lada from Anchorage
Billy Latta talking about AIDS… and mixing drinks… which have nothing to do with the ordinance. And I’m guessing that’s not an Alaska accent.
talking about AIDS and comparing it to drinks and germs
This guy thinks Three’s Company destroyed morals? How about the whole Skipper and Gilligan deal?
crap he just said queers
Hahaha fear the PC!
Computers are more dangerous than guns? When is the last time somebody did a car jacking with a Dell?
its tv and the internets fault
omy. mentions Three’s Company show – thinks jack was (actually) “gay”
oh geez – that dang internet is dangerous – guns ain’t half as dangerous as the dang computers
ma and pa kettle – good for the soul
(bless his heart)
Billy suggests watching Ma & Pa Kettle!
@ds55, the drinks and germs was an ordinance earlier in the meeting
Billy went to the SP school of public speaking.
Someone should hit him with a stick
boiling frogs is that equal to dead fish
Red hat is against all things that are about change. Metaphors about cooking frogs and what the media and the internet has done to our country. Wow!!
Baseball hat. He’s seen a few thangs. Queers and lesbunz started their movement in the sixties. You caint turn the TV on without seeing sexual activities shown outright, or there’s no doubt about what’s supposed to be goin on. Internet is the worst thing you can have in your house.
Depends how you use it my friend.
Watched “Ma and Pa Kettle go to the County Fair.” Nobody got killed. No cuss words. No sex. It was good for the soul.
Ah, the boiling frog analogy again.
And the stick hitting the hornets nest analogy.
“And I am a Christian.”
bucfan – I see now why he made you nervous!
what????? put his butt in a pot?
erica kane is on one life to live
poking hornets nest now…jeez.
I think if you’re not there when they call your number, you should just lose your turn.
no thats wrong, all my children
Okay, what school did this happen? Just the facts sir.
Troy a teacher in Anchorage and a red shirt
Snap on Tools? There is a dirty joke just waiting to happen but I am not touching it.
Troy Karluk, teacher in Anch, concerned that gay pinups might be allowed in shop class?
give me a break
another teacher thats scary
Troy is getting louder and more confused.
Is he a public school teacher?
well, snapon tools gay pinups are right up there with the Candies ads far as I’m concerned
He teaches social studies??? argggg
I just laugh like crazy when xtians and birfers quote the Dec of Ind.
Another public school teacher in a red shirt. This makes me crazy.
Student wrote a paper on traditional marriage. Some teacher was “in some ways punitive to the student.”
Snap-On tool pinups in shops is sexual harrassment. How will these things come into play? Huh?
He is totally scattered.
He’s a social studies teacher.
Main purpose of gov’t is protection of life, liberty and protection of property. Locke, Jefferson… Time’s up, thank goodness.
This teacher’s has a closet full of pinups.God given rights that government protects.
social studies teacher – good grief, this guy is having trouble going from point A to point B.
not wearing a red shirt so he can check up on folks on their property – but on his own property times up (thank goodness)
More like this coming up.
god given rights that the government takes away.
Someone please take him away
Why is religion so afraid of homosexuality? The two have nothing to do with each other. My son is homosexual, he was created by God and is perfect. He is the way GOD created him.
alright a blue
oh thank goodness. is heterosexual, and for the ordinance.
the only agenda being pushed is not a gay one.
equality – something every member of our society has a right to
you go girl!!!
I don’t think any of the lesbians in shop class would object to a sports illustrated swimsuit calendar on the walls …
I like her.
Chrissy Bell, hetero in support from Anch, well-spoken. Showing pics of teens murdered for being gay, 42% higher rate.
LOL @ akgrrl
I can’t comment. This lady is great
Heterosexual in support! Simply the right thing to do. Yay!
“The only agenda that’s been pushed is not a gay one.”
Picture of 8th grader murdered for being gay. Mathhew Shepherd pic. Wow.
Your vote could save the lives of children in our community. Future generations look back and be ashamed of how the gay community were treated, just like the civil rights movement. She will tell her kids she fought on the side of equality.
Wow. She’s great.
wow!!! showing pictures of kids killed
Thank you for the yes. You Rock!!!
Notice how the blues have timed their remarks in advance? I love smart prepared people.
bless her. I wish there were some of the redshirts hearing this. She was kicka$$
((((((((APPLAUSE))))
Don, sm-bus owner, blue shirt, wants to minimize intolerance. Won’t change peoples’ thoughts, but can prevent their actions.
Another blue. Could have used a couple of these last time! He’s good too.
the blues are good and prepared
The mike sucks!
go Don!!!!! He is great!
Two in a row. Wow. GO guys go.
yes califpat, the audio is bad sometimes
or maybe if’s just my computer.
They can’t kiss the mike… they need to keep about 6-8 inches away.
Jim!!!
Applause to you Don!
err mic*
let me take this moment to say how much I Iove all my fellow mudpuppies!
I can’t think of this sort of thing ever happening before
I just love blue.
I’ve been off the computer, so I have to just catch up from here.
Personal opinion: I kinda like the Snap-On Tools calendars. (Hey, I’m an OWG). I also think that they represent objectification and don’t belong in the workplace. If you don’t like inconsistency, sue me.
@justafarmer: Ditto!!!
He’s gay and won’t apologize. Nothing is wrong with it. Research is clear. Neither an illness or a moral depravity. Discussed with relatives in deep south. They said this is about fundamental decency to one another.
Way to go Tim.
go big blue
from me and justafarmer
I like this guy’s sis in law! “It has to do with fundamental decency. If you don’t even have that for a fellow human being..” (soemthing like that)
strangelet, objectification in the workplace is exactly my feeling as well.
Wiggles her butt while saying she doesn’t have a red shirt, oh my.
lol, lexky!
Oh dear, she doesn’t have any red to wear! Whata ditz! Brother was gay and selfish. RUn on……….
natural law…hmmmm
It’s not the country I grew up in anymore (no kidding, toots!)
I am having a real problem with the people speaking in support of the ordinance. Muddling it all up with facts and well thought out testimony. I want more Three’s Company
Oh please, lady.. make your point and sit down. Babble, babble, babble…
Yikes!! This one has nothing red in her closet. Just red irrational thoughts. I hate that mike.
@437 AKM — That is a great, great testimony.
What is this lady talking about? I’m totally confused. These people will shove and push and push. Didn’t want to go to a gay bar but someone made her. Dust flying when trucks go by. Can the assembly look in to that? WHA…?
He’s a *brother* – in the genes to pick on a sister, fer pete’s sake. A stinker for putting sis where she said she doesn’t wanna be, but he isn’t representative of anyone
Ancient Rome? Beware the barbarians!
she’s talking palinese
I KNEW she was going to bring in Caligula!
Roman Law? WTF?
The Roman lifestyle has what to do with the ordinance??
we are not in rome
Oooo. Ancient Rome as a cautionary tale. Homosexual rape of young male Roman citizens. Researched the “Roman lifestyle.” Fall of Rome was decline of morals and values. Violent society. Pedophilia had progressed from homosexuality.
The gays caused the fall of Rome!
More wine!
@justafarmer — Yup. I’m possibly over-tolerant of almost anything, but you’re not allowed to expose random co-workers to your personal excesses.
Roman lesson plans…
ohh the gays destroyed rome.
now i get it
Rome fell because of gays. Nero was fiddling with little boys.
TOGA! TOGA! TOGA! Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
rome – decline of morals – pedophelia (from homo coming from the aristocrats)
now CDC… 13-24 yr old males greatest increase in aids
Incest, necrophelia, pedophilia, zoophilia… Is THIS where you want to take us??
Ossiander called “Chief Chasing Horse”. That ought to be interesting.
Another red philosopher. And a history lesson on violence and morals.Is she saying that the Roman Empire failes because of gays? I dont get the connection. Oh, she is saying that deviant acts fell it. Sheesh! Cut the mike!
Fall of Rome occurred (maybe) because of all the lead they used in their water supply system. Cognitive deterioration.
547 diff kinds of deviancy? Who is counting?! geez
bucfan, do we have to have a toga party now?
Covert agenda, oh, the frog in hot water again!
omgawd – I heard the uh squeak!
Covert agenda, good thing them boiling frogs are croaking to warn us.
Okay, I have held out long enough. It’s Jack Daniels time. The bourbon that is. Otherwise that might sound gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Unless you are wearing a red shirt
strangelet – also tanning of hides with mercury (wine casks out of leather)