Well I see peeps are being lazy and not starting up any conversations – at least as I am writing this, there is still one lone comment on this thread. OK, I am proposing a topic. I think it may be somewhat in line with some of what AKM has written from her journeys.
(and it is one of my favorite topics)
If we take into consideration that fear is what primarily motivates people who rant on about socialism and other things that seem nonsensical to most of the people who read Mudflats – What can we do as individuals to allay those fears and bring those people into participation in a more reasonable dialogue?
And, saying that they are all too ignorant is not an acceptable answer.
Before anybody thinks I am claiming to be ‘all that’, allow me to confess that at the town hall meeting, I was the only person I heard yelling at someone who pissed me off with their rhetoric. Fortunately for me, I was in the back of the room and there was lots of other noise so my moment of possible infamy was not caught by the cameras or microphones. I am truly grateful.
I was there with a friend waving signs but we felt pretty thin on the ground. Glad to know we weren’t alone even though we had moments of feeling that way…
Green technologies have been stymied by battery technology for quite some time. Recent breakthroughs in solar panel technology (imagine solar cells applied like paint!), wind generation, and several other areas all have needed a breakthrough in battery technology to become viable, breakthrough technologies. This is the most exciting piece of news I’ve seen yet in the realm of new battery technology. For the first time it appears we really are on the brink of turning some green technologies into disruptive technologies. I believe I’ll drink a Coors to that.
In a modest building on the west side of Salt Lake City, a team of specialists in advanced materials and electrochemistry has produced what could be the single most important breakthrough for clean, alternative energy since Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.
The prize is the culmination of 10 years of research and testing — a new generation of deep-storage battery that’s small enough, and safe enough, to sit in your basement and power your home.
This afternoon the Presidents Town Hall was shown on C-SPAN. I kept it on the channel and right afterward they were replaying and an event that happened right before the President went in to the town hall meeting.
Inside the White House Michael Smercomish ( A radio Host ) was taping a live call in radio show with questions from various listeners. These were unplanned questions and the President and Michael looked they were enjoying the event.
He was cool, calm and very confident. For those detractors of his out there…. notice there is ‘ no teleprompter ‘ needed to answer the questions. The really dumb people seem to have given up on that point and moved on to ‘death panels ‘ now.
Maybe earlier in the week the real ‘ wing-nuts ‘ might have gotten the whole health care reform debate message side-tracked but I think his confidence is showing here and he is ready to take the fight to them.
From the C-SPAN archives. 30 minutes in length. Taped in the Diplomatic Reception Room, Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, DC, United States
@Writing from Alaska – Can´t hang around to talk, but had to let you know – you are wonderful! You went to the town hall and when you had a moment of weakness you realized…. Good for you. Big hug. Sorry I gotta run now. Morning here and time to do the shopping.
I start thinking that those that yell do not want to listen. Don´t waste your time on them. I´ve seen them on forums and private messaging. Anything the President does is WRONG. Maybe even anything anybody does is wrong. So talk to the people who have not made up their mind yet. When you are talking to the unreasonable on the forums, realize it is not them you are talking to, but all the lurkers and silent majority. Just keep it respectful and factual, even if the one you react too is not, because you still have a chance to convince the others. Just an idea.
Also as a reminder….so BuffaloGal doesn’t have to be reminding people.
The PalinTruthWatch Twitter account was started today and should be a good resource to counteract the lies and misinformation that everybody’s favorite Crazy lady is putting out there. Spread the word and get the link into stories
( like at Huffpo ) so that other people know about it. Encourage others to sign up as Followers on threads. The Daily Kos as well as some of your favorite AK blogs are already followers.
{ Thanks to BuffaloGal for all the effort and work to set up this account }
As per the tweet sent out this afternoon:
“Send links for videos, articles, news, commentary,etc to: PalinNews@gmail.com – Also direct questions and feedback to that account. THANKS”
A friend of Shannyn posted this on her facebook page. Too good not to share:
Someone probably already caught this, but here is Gov. Palin’s former Communications Director Bill MacAllister on the switch from private insurance (through KTUU) to A STATE PROVIDED HEALTH CARE PLAN :
“I believe that it was the Lord’s will… that I got this job. You know why? Because a couple of months after I got this job, I found out that I had lymphoma, and I would be either bankrupt or dead now, if I had not had this job.”
– quote from Anchorage Press, June 10, 2009
I think we need to talk to everyone we can. My favorite conservative showed up at dog park today. He’s an old guy who lost his wife last year after a long battle.
He’s very conservative and generally likes to say he has no use for government even though he spent his entire career in the Fire Dept. Go figure.
Anyways, he has often asked me and others for our opinions and we all keep it respectful and reasonable. Dogs are calming and distracting.
Anyways, I told him I’m favoring Medicare for All and keeping the care delivery systems private. What’s funny is that I could tell by his face that he had never heard of that idea. He listens to Rush and faux. After a moment of contemplation, he was back to “well, but it’s government in insurance”.
So OK, it’s his turn to educate me on Medicare. So I just asked him to explain to me what’s wrong with Medicare. Of course, he loves his Medicare and medigap insurance. He and his wife didn’t spend a nickel for care. And I know her care was extensive during her last year and included trips to San Francisco to see specialists. So now that’s he’s had the chance to knock Medicare maybe he’s realized it ain’t so bad after all. Hey, wait a minute it’s actually a well run service. No hassles and no out of pocket thanks to a really good medigap policy from his government pension. He was a Captain in LAFD.
I told him about my private insurance. How it costs me 12K per year before any payment comes from Blue Shield. Also told him how I was stuck. I wanted to price Blue Cross this year and they sent me a form that wanted the details of every visit over the past 10 years. He agreed “you gotta be kidding” on being able to provide that level of detail. And so much for competition.
We talked a bit about how to pay for all of this. We discussed this about Medicare. Back in 1997 it was projected that Medicare would be broke by 2001. However, in 2001 the Trustee projected it was ok until 2029. Bottom line is that it’s a complex formula and is very dependent upon the growth stats for the economy.
Also pointed out that if we replaced private insurance with Medicare for All then we can take the 30 cents of every dollar of overhead and use maybe 25 cents for the delivery of real care to a lot more people.
I don’t know that I”ve changed his mind totally but I think he might have to be a bit more critical the next time someone starts screaming about socialism and the take over of health care.
I’m thinking that one of the biggest lies out there is that a lot of folks think that some how all hc delivery is going to be “taken over” by the government. It just ain’t so.
I think honest conversation with friends and neighbors about the real issues is the way to move this forward. It’s a very complex subject and we need to talk to one another with facts and truth and ideas. We need to calmly state our fears.
I’d like to get a fun button to wear. Kind of “ask me about health care?” but it should be cute and fun. Anybody have any ideas?
I’m off to bed, boy it’s late. But thanks for listening.
No problem allaying people’s fears–just change their basic natures. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy! Really, though, it seems that what you are asking is akin to asking how we can change all the pessimists out there into optimists. People who buy into fear do that in every aspect of their lives. They see the glass as half empty and spend so much energy making certain no one else gets whatever’s in the glass that they forget to hydrate.
Here’s what I think is interesting…aren’t we (Democrats/Progressives) supposed to be the party of softies? You know: “If it will save only one live, it will be worth the cost?” Aren’t we the party that spends money like drunken sailors? Aren’t we the “atheists”? So here’s my point–a significant %age oof our health care dollars are spent artificially extending life. If we believed in God , we might be inclined to say that we are playing God in those situations…think Terri Schiavo. The concept of Death Panels, while a very slippery slope, would be financially prudent–not a trait we have ever been accused of! It would be very disrespectful to human life–again, not something for which Progressives are famous. Because they believe we are all athiests, it would inply that we would be all for intervening against God’s “actions”. What I am saying is that somehow they have trumped up this fear in spite of the fact that the accusations of Death Panels fly in the face of everything that Progressives and Democrats have ever represented (and the things we have been mocked for!) If they can be fearful in the face of this, I have to believe that they are really intent on just being fearful. (Also, have to infer that they are projecting their own secret desires onto us.)
P.S. My friend’s dad had a stroke recently, but he had a Living Will stating “No Heroic Measures” and “No Artificial Life Support.” BUT Steve’s siblings needed time for “closure”, so they kept him on Life Support until they could all reach consensus regarding their wishes. The cost for the ER to determine that the stroke was too massive to treat: $75,000. Multiply this cost by the # of times this happens in healthcare, and you have probably just paid to cover a lot of the uninsured in the US.
also @writing from Alaska. I think we need to keep emphasizing that medicare, medicaid, and the veteran’s administration are all government programs.
Also, I heard on NPR last year of a study that showed that in general when people on the right are shown that what they had believed is incorrect, they simply cling more strongly to their views. So you’re probably right that it might not even do much good to point out that medicare is a government program.
I’d like us to be going to more town meetings and holding up “public option” signs. We’re theoretically more organized than the right, so we’d better be acting like we are. No complacency here! There’s not much I can do locally, cuz all my reps support public insurance, but lots of us are in places where our voices could make a huge difference.
The site somehow editted my post…It cost less than $5000 to determine that Steve’s dad’s stroke was untreatable, but it cost over $75,000 to keep him breathing artificailly until the family was prepared to honor his wishes. Imagine the costs if he didn’t have the Living Will!
Bonjour à tous!
Just a thought – and will not too surpized to have a few people screaming at me after I voice it! I first became interested in American politics when I started to become intrigued by a man named Barrack Obama, who was at that time running against so many odds, for President of the USA. Today, I wonder if so many of the social problems you face on a day to day bases, which in turn create such a negative impact on the political decisions that are needed to improve the lives of ALL citizens, are the result of just plain ignorance. Surely the need for a truly comprehensive education for all is a primary need to ensure that the next generation will have less hatred, bias, racism and bigotry in their makeup, and therefore more discerning when voting for a public official. I am sure I read somewhere that the level of education in Alaska is one of the lowest in the USA – perhaps that can explain why so many still support Ms Palin. I am however sure that many who originally voted for her believed what she portrayed herself to be, but now realize that she is what in my opinion can be best termed as a sociopath. Yes, she needs to be watched carefully, world history demonstrates only too clearly how often sociopaths have ended up in powerful positions. She has an ignorant, bigoted, and violent base, and I believe is capable of anything to obtain her ambitions. John McCain, you should be ashamed for unleashing this monster.
To be honest, I’m having a struggle reading the posts, emotional so please forgive me. My older Sister, dang I am now the oldest Sis these days.
Okay, in this last February 2009 we lost my big Sis. She was a USPS employee, with disabilities diabetes & later on the job hernias, hassled from when she first got her job all those years ago (yep, from the time she applied she got married & was GASP pregnant) 28some years ago, they never stopped trying to fire her after the Union made them not discriminate due to pregnancy.
Big Sis died about 2months shy of retirement & Social Security. They found the paperwork in her car, cleaning it out after dealing with the mortuary. She spent 12 DAYS! yes 12 DAYS kept alive against her wishes. $190 thousand plus dollars. It was a “teaching hospital” and her last gasp effort to appoint my younger Sis to make arrangements, had told her in the car she wanted “no measures”… well they just started shoveling tubes. Younger Sis finally had to start shouting in the hospital to make it stop.
Like I said, Big Sis had great Federal Medical Insurance, bet she … sorry I’m unable to talk further, please forgive any typos.
Actually, I think the point I was trying to make with regards to my Big Sis is that if she had been able to make that discussion with her doctor about End of Life, it would have been On Record. No 12 days of playing games while bumping up the costs.
Sarah Palin may you rot and someday find yourself in a similar situation. Lord help any family member you care about.
scrappy – i feel your pain and anguish……end of life decisions are so important and difficult and emotional……but when they occur while we are in good health or at least before the worst has occurred – then they become a learning process between the person who is telling us their desires and the family members that will be there when those decisions are put into action.
It is much more comforting for the surviving family and loved ones to know intellectually and emotionally that medical decisions are in line with the desires of the person who is ill or dying.
this intimate conversation with our parents, siblings, and children should not be a cultural taboo — but another facet of our love and compassion for those we hold dear.
Organizations such as hospices and Protection & Advocacy Agencies can assist with providing and filling out the forms.
There are also care directives for people at risk of hospitalization for other needs, such as advance care directives for mental health. These directives include important info such as who to contact, whether there are pets in the home, preferred doctor, drug warnings, and permitted visitors. The document is filed with your neighborhood hospital so that it is available if you are admitted.
UK Lady – after that I will never be able to read or hear about Levi without thinking, Levi? No, his name is Tug, right? Yep, our wee little Tug Johnston is all growed uppers!
Kath- Hugs to you. I certainly hope your story will be one of those “In the olden days…” stories very soon. No one should have to go through that. 12 days is a long time for patient and family.
Actually, paperwork is not always the same depending on the locale. I was a caregiver for a coworker that died from AIDS in here in Seattle 1998. We were kind of the ‘oddity’ of the AIDS community for the 6 years he lasted beyond the expectancy. We weren’t related, weren’t in a relationship (he was as Gay as God made him & I’m as Straight as God made me), we were just coworkers. Since I was the Medical POA for him, I held the ORIGINAL Medical POA document, with copies submitted to each doctor for their files. When we went to the hospital I needed to be able to pull out & show the original.
In Arizona apparently (my younger Sisters handled the caregiver stuff for my Mom & Dad) the paperwork is handled differently. Like I said, they found my Sister’s paperwork which was drawn up by her Attorney later in her car. She was very religious and her two daughters were raised very religiously, one of whom would have kept her alive no matter what. That’s why my Sis wrote on the hospital intake paperwork that Younger Sister would make all decisions. But later the hospital asked no questions. Each day, they shoveled more tubes in until Younger Sis started yelling Who is Authorizing This?
But perhaps all the medical records being electronically synchronized, like Obama is wanting, would make this sort of thing less likely to occur.
Hey Hoken (aka Closet Mudpup), Boy am I glad you put that link up. Totally awesome. I wrote to my nephew (engineer in the making) and then to everyone else I know totally cool.
I’ve been waiting for those batteries. Now I just need the money for land, a house, the solar and wind power and I’m GOING OFF GRID!
Think I have been ready to blow a gasket ever since the crazy woman spewed about her ‘death panels’ – then listening to Lisa Murkowski talking tonight about HER medical insurance (yes, the very same as my Big Sister’s) just kind of tripped my trigger. Now, I will shut up and go to bed. Again, thanks for the hugs & support.
Hoken (aka Closet Mudpup), Just had to post again.
What’s really cool is this is going to be a complete turnaround for energy and energy sources.
We have acid burn on our trees out here in Western MA, from the power plants in the mid-west. When we lived in Marblehead, MA (coast) the power plant in Salem was shown to create breathing problems in our kids. Other health problems were clustered in Marblehead, but the plant was never shown to be the cause. Having less power plants would be great for slowing global warming and health issues.
Or how about those in rural areas? Alaska comes to mind, even if the green power source is not sun (sort of difficult for part of the year) these batteries could still be charged by other (thermal heat? wind? )
Taking stress off our aging electrical grid would be excellent also. Less worry about terrorist attacks, ice storms (we had one last year, everyone was off grid for over a week).
So many uses. I think the idea that this is HUGE is correct. The analogy to going from Main frame computers to laptops is appropriate. Everyone thought it wouldn’t make a difference. HA!
The good news is that here in ultra conservative Utah, I read 4 letters to the editor in the Tribune that favored healthcare reform, and zero that were anti-reform or supported the actions of the protesters.
In yesterday’s paper, a physician wrote a letter and expressed his disgust at Palin’s “dealth panel” rhetoric and denounced her careless language to describe important end-of-life issues. Plus two more positive letters about reform….zero negative. They also ran a story about the skyrocking costs of HC coverage and the impact it is having on families.
This in a RED state….so that is great news.
The bad news: They LOVE Glen Beck here because he is a fellow mormon. He travels to the state a lot for speaking engagements,etc. I wonder if their love of him will cool in light of his recent bad behavior.
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GA Peach a/k/a Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramblesays:
Forgive if this has been posted, but I couldn’t help but guffaw.
This is from the Christian Science Monitor. As to the “sanity” bit – we already knew that, right?
The latest rumor wending its way around the Interwebs – and it’s a doozy – has Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin ditching Anchorage for the suburbs of the Rhode Island. According to the Anchorage Daily News, Palin would fund the move to blue state America “with $7 million from her book and a contract with FOX. And, oh yes, she’s never running for office again.”
Silly, right? After all, just a month ago, Palin was using Twitter to wax poetic on the enduring beauties of her home state: I’m “tasting a nibble of AK’s bounty,knowing AKns are never bored;so much to do & discover [sic],” she tweeted. The gossip, for now, is just gossip — the Palin team has remained mum. Still, the Providence Journal thought enough of the rumors to run its own article.
The Journal’s Randal Edgar even tracked down Rhode Island Republican Party Chairman Giovanni Cicione for a quote. Cicione, a conservative marooned in a very blue New England state, wondered what would compel Palin to choose the Ocean State. “Anyone who wants to move to Rhode Island, we would have to question their sanity,” he said.
So what would Palin find if she moved to Rhode Island? A whole lot of Democrats, for starters. As Tabassum Zakaria of Reuters notes, Rhode Island has gone for the Democratic candidate in all but four presidential elections since 1928. According to RI.gov, the state went blue in a major way in 2008 — some 63 percent of the ballots were cast for Barack Obama. Compare that to the 35 percent of Rhode Islanders who voted for the John McCain and Sarah Palin ticket.
On the plus side, compared to the harsh winds of Alaska, the New England winters will feel positively balmy.
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What’s to disagree with in your post? Those that choose to be negative don’t want to change (usually).
Ignorance begets more ignorance, and fear as well. Ergo, a woman with very few qualifications has a very vocal following, most of whom are ill-educated and just begging to have their fears fed.
a fan from CA @9
I can relate to your “favorite conservative” story. I do agree with others that for the furthest of the right, there is no hope, but what I am finding is that most of the “conservatives” in my area are just repeating the talking points from Fox. They don’t know much deeper than the TP, and to be effective, I don’t want to start an argument. I take a page from PO’s “common ground.”
Effective yesterday to a lady who is a military wife and hates Obama-
Mentioned the radio town hall this week hosted by Michael Smercoff (sp?) Mentioned that Smercoff is a conservative radio talk show host (tinge of apology in my voice since cons like to be victims.) Suggested she might remember him when he hosted Beck’s show or was on O’Reilley (had to google to get this. Didn’t mention him on msnbc yesterday.) Suggested she watch the video since Smerguy did such a good job. Notice-what I didn’t do is promote Obama or health care. POTUS can do that himself when she watches the clip I will e-mail to her- but NOT from a “liberal” website. (I am waiting for Smerguy to post it on his website.)
I had to listen carefully early in the conversation. She is a military wife and new mother of a soldier injured last month. She has a lot on her plate. When I mentioned PO’s VFW speech and she made a slam on Obama not having trust from the troops, I knew to be careful. Quick- Paul Reicoff and the Iraqi and Afghanistan Veterans of America. I switched to Paul and what that organization is doing. My common ground with her was the fact that many of the troops have felt abandoned the past 7-8 years so they do need to feel the gov’t cares now. (She agreed- missed the Bush implications:) Told her how much this group is impacting gov’t and that is why in “the VFW speech” there was an emphasis on mental health help and suicide rates. I kept mentioned Paul (thanks Rachel Maddow!)
She is a nice lady who has gone through a lot. She is also very afraid- will her husband suffer mentally again like after his last tour? How will her older son cope again? She feels betrayed by the gov’t, and she watches Fox to make her feel as if her fears are justified instead of fixable. In a second I could have ripped her arguments, but why? Right now we have a small little connection. I won’t let that end, and each time I will try to give her a bit more information. Like CA@9, I will do it with just general questions that leave the door open for some thought.
(apologies for misspelled names. I can’t switch back and forth on this computer.)
The crazy lady has a new post on Facebook, of course SHE didn’t write it. Who are her handlers, Mansour? O.V.? Rove? Upinak has been gone from that site since the Crazy Lady resigned, was it Meg??
She can’t hide forever, don’t they all realize when she comes out ( goes Rouge again) and has to speak for herself this will all fall apart!! She is who she is and no amount of training or fake facebook blogging will change that. Of course her faithful only listen to her BUZZ words, military, God, special needs, servants heart,etc.
I want to see her called out, go to face to face interviews with MSM, not just Fox. Quit hiding behind a fake persona and come on out and show us what ya got. Don’t your handlers trust you???? or do they know you don’t have it and are using your name for their political agenda.
We always knew you were a Fake, this just proves it.
UK Lady – thanks (sort of ) for the head’s up on the FB post. I’ve only gotten as far as the snark sentence. I can tell I’m going to need to brace myself a bit more before reading the rest. I KNEW her camp was doing to do exactly what they’ve just done. They watched for reaction to the professional tone of the previous ghost written posts, made note of our commentary about “lack of snark” and folksy tone and then made adjustments to the voice of the posts, accordingly.
She needs to come OUT from behind that danged thing!! She is SUCH a flippin’ liar. How is it that her hoards aren’t seriously questioning her 3-D absence? This is just crazy! The MSM HAS to start posing the question now.
It’s an article about Dr. Gottlieb that is referenced . She could’ve and should’ve chosen more wisely. From what I can tell from the reading so far, this guy is in big pharma’s pocket. I think this one is going to need to be distributed .
I have been reading and thinking about what Sarah has been stating lately in her Facebook and have been wondering who’s been writting it for her. They have been well written, not something anyone, or at least not me, would expect from her. And like it or not the phrase “Death Panels” really was a catchy term that immediately got everyones attention, especially her “captured audience” of Palinbots. They quickly spread the term and the Republicans grabbed onto it to use against Obamas Health Care Reform. Now that that term has cooled down, she has come out with a new Facebook stating that tort reform must be included as part of the Health Care Reform. Both statements were carefully word smithed and in my opinion could have only come from the Health Care Insurance lobby. Since when has Sarah been interested in health care? I believe that Sarah has made an agreement with the Health Care Lobby to use her Facebook as an outlet to forword their message to the people. I would be interested in knowing if their are any others out their who may also think she has whored out her Facebook for money.
Late last night I was browsing over some of the links that Gryphen has over on his linked pages. I just happened to click on the ‘ Blonde Sense ‘ Site.
Here was the quote in the upper part of the page.
Such a simple little saying. Sounds like ‘ $omeone ‘ we all know.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
I hate to keep badgering you guys about this, but we need every mudpuppy to support this effort. In just a couple of days, our face book group has grown to over 500 members. This is easy, just pass the word and show up!
Yep, M. baker Florida, this way she keeps her name out there and whoever has taken over her Facebook is getting their message out thru her. She’s probably home laughing and counting the money. I guess the media is not going to call her out, to make statements from her own mouth, but sooner or later she had to come forward and the word salad will start again!! I didn’t know Facebook could be used for a propaganda machine…thought is was for social networking.
Money and fame is the name of the game for the Crazy Lady, if SHE really cared about the health and welfare of people she would have started caring when SHE was the Gov. We all know how that turned out!
Quittypants Palin has become sooo Boring since she started to whore out FB for money.(thank you M. Baker Florida above at #42 ) I miss the train wreck…Not. Now all we get is the typical wacko conservative dribble.
” If Mitt Romney, Karl Rove and Sarah Palin all think America has never done anything wrong, we must be doing something wrong. Look at them: an empty suit, an empty heart and an empty head.”
you guys, look at this list Beck has put together on President Obama’s Administration ‘czars’ and their background, he is asking his cult to watch and report anything ‘fishy’, be his eyes and ears. GAH On his web site when you mouse over the link he calls Van Jones a communist, he has after Holdren’s name (forced abortions). He calls all the czars wacko’s and nutjobs.
On July 31 he decided to become a ‘community organizer’ (copycat), lol, he’s teaching and coaching his listeners to be ’10 million watchdogs’ who will report (bark, bark) ‘movement’ on any of the issues from anyone in government so they can ‘amplify’ the bark over the radio and tv. He wants to stop: (1) the health care bill (in any form) (2) Cap and Trade (3) Card Check.
He says:
“We need to watch ‑‑ quite honestly we need to guard, as much as I hate every member of congress, we need to guard congress because the executive branch is devouring all other branches. They are devouring it, and the people in congress are so stupid, so insipid or so in on the game, they are going to find themselves irrelevant wildly fast. We must guard all three branches of government. It is a shell game. It is a transformation.”
“Stop the machinery of this government because they are building something, and you do not want to have that unveiled. Believe me, you do not want that unveiled. Stop the machinery of government.”
“We will put the gears into at least neutral. Eventually we will jam that back into reverse. And if we don’t, we’ll strip all the damn gears because it will be time to get out of the car and rebuild it the American way.”
this link won’t take you to his web site only to the print page. It was posted today. he’s sickin his watchdogs on these czars.
Sarah Palin’s bad, bad investment
Sarah Palin criticized the “Obama White House” for lending money to Petrobras, a Brazilian state oil company. According to her 2008 financial disclosure, the Palins had some money invested in T.RowePrice Latin American Fund. Among the 10 largest holdings is… Petrobras.
So it’s OK for the Palins to expect a return on an investment in Petrobras, but it’s wrong for “Obama’s White House” to lend money to the same company?
Sarah Palin’s returns would have no strings attached, but the “bad” loan is made in a way that promotes the creation of jobs for Americans.
I think she should refuse to touch a single cent from this investment, it’s horrible, horrible money.
SayNo @ 52 – Grrrr! have you got a Kos account, has anyone, if so please stick a comment at least of the Glen Beck post they have up now about him shilling for an insurance company. They don’t seem to have seen this yet. I signed up for an account with them after 2 years of lurking because it made me so mad, but it takes 24 hours to be able to comment.
That Glenn craziness is just freaky. Rush and Hannity, they’re dangerous but I don’t think they’re quite as mentally deranged as Beck. It seems to me he’s on the verge of some sort of delusional snap.
mommom @ 53
Petrobras stock aside, why is Miss Real America investing in Latin America instead of investing in the United States of America and helping to create American jobs for American workers?
T. Rowe Price Latin America Fund, Sector Diversification as of 07/31/2009
% of Total Net Assets
Financials …………………………… 24.6%
Energy ……………………………….. 17.9%
Materials ……………………………. 16.8%
Telecommunication Services …. 11.3%
Consumer Discretionary …………. 8.4%
Consumer Staples ………………….. 7.6%
Industrials & Business Services … 4.4%
Information Technology ………….. 4.1%
Health Care …………………………… 0.6%
Utilities ………………………………… 0.5%
Regional Exposure as of 07/31/2009
Latin America …………. 95.1%
Europe …………………… 1.1%
Country Exposure as of 07/31/2009
Brazil ………………… 65.5%
Mexico………………. 20.2%
Chile ………………….. 4.5%
Peru …………………… 2.4%
Argentina ……………. 1.7%
United Kingdom …… 1.1%
Colombia ……………. 0.9%
A Hired Gun–I think AKM had actually outed herself a little while ago, as a result of having to use a “real” name at Netroots. Her real name is also on HuffPo these days, if you find her profile.
Buffalogal, I think Beck has been mystified by how Obama was so well supported during the campaign, mystified by how come so many Americans voted for him, mystified by how well he’s liked all over the world and he’s trying to get a handle on what progressives think and how they operate. I think he had an ‘aha moment’ around July 30 to the success and he’s ‘trying’ in turn, to copy it for his own agenda thinking he can turn the tables, dream on.
It will never work, lol, because what we’re doing, we’re doing for the right reasons, showing fairness and compassion to all US citizens and it’s what we all knew needed to happen, he campaigned on it, we agreed and voted him in.
Beck thinks we’re extreme, wrong and out to destroy and bankrupt America. I disagree, lol, along with millions of others, we are working hard to correct a lot of poor greedy decisions and 8 yrs of mismanagement.
I think Beck is extreme rightwinged and wrong. We won. Why doesn’t try running for office himself if he thinks he has all the answers and his opinions are SO widely desired. Ha, he’d never have a chance in h*ll with his wild accusations and hate rhetoric, same for Rush, put up or shut up. Where the heck does Beck live anyway. lol, I have no clue.
BTW, the link posted (somewhere, lol) to President Obama being interviewed by the ‘conservative’ talk radio host yesterday before the CNN call in town hall, is very, very good! It is a perfect one to send to other conservatives. The callers with concerns and questions were even polite and addressed him as Mr. President, lol, nothing like the disrespect we see on the ‘other’ blogs.
Mommom @53, now that in all fairness should go viral, lol. She’s clueless and it shows, OR whoever the heck is writing for her on Facebook had no idea about the connection. I wonder if it is Ivy Fey.
I’ll have to scoot over the Palingates post. I have so many tabs open it’s crazy, lol.
Remember Betsy McCaughey who was on Jon Stewart last night…?
Just one of $arah’s new BFF’s that she pals around with and shares ideas.
As of today… she has’ resigned ‘ from the company she was with.
“A release put out Friday afternoon by Cantel Medical says that the company received McCaughey’s letter of resignation on Thursday. The letter, Cantel Medical says, “stated that she was resigning to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest during the national debate over healthcare reform.”
———————– http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/21/mccaughey/
I was going to send that link in the # 63 post to the PalinTruthWatch link at gmail but earlier this morning I used that address and my Outlook would not deliver it. I was using the email address that was right off the Twitter account message.
Is it working for you… are you getting messages there?
As per my # 63 post… it looks like it is NOT a good idea to go on Jon Stewart if you don’t have the Facts to back yourself up. John Cramer learned this the hard way.
59 Say NO to Palin in Politics Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 1:00 PM
BTW, the link posted (somewhere, lol) to President Obama being interviewed by the ‘conservative’ talk radio host yesterday before the CNN call in town hall, is very, very good! It is a perfect one to send to other conservatives. The callers with concerns and questions were even polite and addressed him as Mr. President, lol, nothing like the disrespect we see on the ‘other’ blogs
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NO to palin….I did not know when I was watching the Interview on C-SPAN that he was a Conservative radio host. He was very thoughtful and well-mannered as well as ALL of the callers that called in. I thought he might have been from Air America or something. I had posted the link ( directly off C-SPAN archives ) early this morning as well. It looks like the same interview.
Here is that link again if someone needs to save it as well.
A Hired Gun–she didn’t ever make it public per se. I only know because I e-mailed her when I saw her real name on HuffPo and was worried about it. She said she’d done it and was slowing “outing” herself…
honestyinGov – My mistake on the email address over at twitter. It’s fixed now. It’s not clickable anymore but you can cut and paste it. I’ll work on putting together a contact page to link to. Thanks for spotting that !
There are more comments to respond to but I’m sort of lost in forest of way too many open browsers. Hopefully I’ll be able to follow my breadcrumb trail outta there and get back here to fully read the posts from today. ( and y’know, I also have to make mention that I absolutely love what Regina does over at Palingates. That’s one clever, clever gal ! )
This is a totally good smack down for miss Scarah quitty pants, even though they’re nice enough not to point fingers at her, they go for the person she lifted the info from. She’s playin with the big dogs now, they’re not going to take her nonsense or let it fly. Which is a very good thing.
okay, at first she denies any conflict of interest, while expressing her opinions in a very public way, influencing and scaring the public, then 9 days later she resigns because she does not want to have it appear there is a conflict of interest?
whoa, what happened. Do we have serious dirt found? Did this backfire? Was she forced out? Is she a loose gun mavericky repub female? 3 peas in a pod, Scarah, Bachman and Betsy McCaughey. Maybe someones playbook is outdated.
I had no clue one could make that much money sitting on boards. No wonder those sitting on them are ‘selectively chosen and appointed’, nice bit of cash in the pocket for those who clearly don’t even need it. I read a while back that most of the banker CEO’s were on Insurance, Health industry and Pharma boards, imagine that, many boards at a time, the connections are dizzying. But at least it’s becoming harder to be so obvious, that certain secret house on a certain street in Washington is gonna need more rooms. I apologize to those good people out there that legitimately sit on boards and really care, I’m just trying to make a point.
“Some critics have suggested that McCaughey is motivated by other interests – in recent years, she has collected some $23,600 per year in board fees and options from a drugmaking company, Genta Inc., although she resigned in 2007.
She remains on the board of Cantel Medical Group, a medical equipment company that pays her some $30,000 a year in fees.
But McCaughey – formerly married to billionaire financier Wilbur Ross – dismissed as “ridiculous” any notion that the payments show a conflict of interest.”
Say NO to Palin in Politics–well, we all know that most Rs wouldn’t recognize a conflict of interest if it bit them in the behind in broad daylight, so I can’t say as how I’m shocked.
in Mizzura, the rural folks say “y’uns”, it took me a while to get that they were saying plural, as in ‘you all’ or ‘are you’, lol. “Y’uns goin to town?”
wes-ben I got a letter from the senator for my Area .Even though he disagrees with my position,he is a republican,but I still wanted him to know my thoughts on this matter.At least he did answer back with a very nice letter saying why he disagreed with me.I might say it was a form letter but at the end he said he realized we had different views on health care and thanked me for writing.
Hugs to Kath the Scrappy.
what is the sense of a living will if people can stop it like the siblings did.If a person is brain dead they would not know you were there anyway and IMO you wishes should be followed to the letter.
About Texas and their text books Rush L really they want to teach their children about a known drug addict and seller.Just goes to show what Texas or at least parts of it are about Harris county is one of the most corrupt counties in Texas and Project innocent has found many many people that were imprisoned that were innocent,,Proved by DNA evidence after spending many years in prison.I have to say that after that many years in prison for a crime you did not commit would make you real touch about any LE person,being i9n prison and living with some prisoner may make someone worse now than they may have been when they went in especially as they were innocent.
Betsy McCaughy who originated the “Death Panel” myth has “resigned”. Ha! Keith reported that she was fired. Good! I hope Palin suffers some consequence for continuing the myth.
A fellow Congressman from Iowa has come out and given his opinion as to whether of not Grassley is actually trying achieve health care reform. He has some real problems with what Grassley is doing and about his motivations.
If Rachel is reading this, then she needs to know that she’s being unfair to Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) by including her in a “gang of 6.” Snowe clearly states that certain things have been co-opted. But she’s wrong to state that the public option is not on the table – mainly because another effort in the Senate includes the public option.
Further, Rachel mixes and matches House and Senate versions to the point of confusing this listener. Let’s keep it real by not over-hyping the nabobs of negativity in the Senate.
Now, Michelle Bachmann… she’s fair game just be virtue of taking on the role of being the House’s version of Sarah Palin. All hair, no brain.
Just watched Bill Maher. His closing segment was priceless! I don’t have a link (don’t know if there is one yet) but if you missed it it will probably show up on UTube. Don’t miss it!
Salmon for the winter is going to be rare for the people of Nome per reports of the salmon returns on local radio station, KNOM. Two of my friends from Nome report; six pink salmon dried; two salmon caught with rod and reel all summer. A disaster for the Nome area people is in order.
“I didn’t think this day would come. Squeaky Fromme—tried to assassinate President Gerald Ford—she’s been let out of prison. She was paroled. Is she going to get a job? If you think about it, there aren’t many jobs for unstable, gun-toting women unless she wants to run for governor of Alaska.”
—David Letterman
cosanostradamus Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 3:34 PM
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IRISHGIRL: WE don’t like being called “Yanks,’ we prefer Yanko-Americans. Thanks, and slainte. Oh, and in the South, they prefer “Yawl.”
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My apologies, talk about foot in mouth. I’ll change that term to my good American friends. (insert shamefaced emoticon).
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GA Peach a/k/a Lance the Boil aka Crust Scramblesays:
I was incensed when some of us Democrats compared Bush to Nazis, and I’m still incensed now the some Republicans are doing the same thing to Obama. Those that think they’re right, funny, whatever, have no idea what the Nazi regime represented. My uncle, Gene, was awarded the French medal of Honor after he was wounded three times while calling in strikes on a Nazi occupied town, and refused to be extracted from his position until the town occupied was controlled by allied forces.
What the allies found in the town made them sick, as the men, women and children were slaughtered by the Nazis because they fought back against them. When a regime has to resort to lining up children and gunning them down, then evil has taken hold. To compare Obama, or Bush, to that is just plain sick.
“As a health-care-card-carrying Canadian resident and an uninsured American citizen who regularly sees doctors on both sides of the border, I’m in a unique position to address the pros and cons of both systems first-hand.”
Therriault leaving the Legislature for a job with Parnell
State Senate Minority Leader Gene Therriault is resigning from the Legislature for a job in the Parnell administration. He will become Parnell’s “senior policy adviser on Alaska energy.”
Here in NYC, especially in the borough of Brooklyn (contiguous with the County of Kings, where I was born but where I do not reside), the plural of “you” is “youse,” often rhyming with cruise, but also pronounced with a schwa for the vowels (the midpoint between yiz and yuz). Except for certain neighborhoods, this variant is dying, like regional accents throughout the US. It can be heard in “tough guy” speech in myriad old movies, often coupled with guys, as in youse guys. I’m fond of regional accents, even when they grate on the ears.
this would be interesting to attend, any Mudpups close to these cities please go and support this, let us know the details. I’m sure you’ll find out some way cool stuff! I’m too far away, darn it. This should encourage those looking for work.
“A recent Blue Green Alliance report found if the U.S. instituted a national renewable energy standard, more than 850,000 manufacturing jobs at firms already in existence across all 50 states could be created manufacturing the parts for wind, solar, geothermal and biomass power. A Center for American Progress report also found that investing $150 billion a year in America’s clean energy economy could create 1.7 million jobs, which could include jobs like retrofitting and constructing new energy efficient buildings and manufacturing next-generation, plug-in hybrid and electric cars.
“We can create millions of jobs building the clean energy economy — whether it’s manufacturing the parts for windmills, building hybrid car batteries or weatherizing homes to make them more efficient,” said David Foster, executive director of the Blue Green Alliance. “Now we’re combining our efforts to spread the message that by transitioning to a clean energy economy, we can revitalize America’s manufacturing sector and boost our economy for the long run — and create jobs Made in America.”
The Made in America Jobs Tour will kick off Thursday, August 20 in Cleveland, Ohio, and consists of more than 50 events in 22 states, including St. Louis, Missouri; Detroit, Michigan; Gary, Indiana and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and will stress the job-creation benefits of clean energy policies.”
Born and raised in the Chicago area ( now I live in Texas) the plural of “you” is You Guys. Even if you are addressing a group of girls. I recieve alot of dirty looks when i first moved here talking to a group of southerns girls.LOL
tigerwine I’m picking up the papers, beer cans, chip bags – who will vacuum?the vacuum belt just broke and I have popcorn all over the floor.Sh*t what am I going to do AKM will be here before we know it .
Of course you should let the dog in. Many years ago I started the daily tradition of popcorn. It is a fantastic source of fiber, and done in an air popper with small squirts of butter spray, it is very low calorie. It wasn’t until both our dogs died that I realized what a very messy food it is.
Snoskred ? Just a meak and humble request but, perhaps an new open thread with a “welcome home” theme , for today ? I think we’d all like to welcome the girls back heartily. (i’m not sure how these things work so again, the request is made quietly and from the back of the room)
Sanford and Scarah are so alike. I think people in every state should start checking up on their governors and their administrations. None of this would have come out if the ‘affair’ hadn’t been discovered.
“The governor’s use of private planes falls under state ethics laws requiring disclosure. Hazelwood said each of Sanford’s trips needs to be looked at with one question in mind. “Are you being asked to attend this function because you’re governor? If the answer is yes, there needs to be disclosure there,” she said.
Butch Bowers, a Columbia lawyer who advised Sanford during his campaigns, contended if Sanford can show that he believed those trips were provided because of his friendship with the owners of the planes, he didn’t have to disclose them. “That’s inherently subjective, and that subjectivity is necessarily grounded in the person doing the reporting,” Bowers said.”
“When Rupert Murdoch acquired the Journal, substantial concerns were raised about the number of media properties he owned and the right wing bias of his news ventures. Many questioned whether the Wall Street Journal would become just another New York Post or, worse, Fox News.
While the Journal’s editorial page had been conservative for some time, the news division had been largely balanced and thorough. (Indeed, the reporter’s online piece is balanced and thorough.) Many wondered whether Murdoch would put his right wing slant on the news pages as well.
The Journal’s handling of this chapter of the USA scandal seems to bring that question to a head — is it a sign that the editorial staff of the Journal’s news division — or at least its editing — has taken on Murdoch’s right-wing bias?”
LOL you guys are funny you all make my day a lot better.C.Rock see I am from the Midwest also and I always use the hey you guys meaning male or female LOL
Guess I can say it here welcome home AKM and Shannyn,rest up and we will be waiting to hear Shannyn on her show this week if she is home in time.
How could you all say that you cleaned up when you still have the men in the beer kegs? Shall we dump the kegs in the river? That should wake them up. Hopefully, they know how to swim!
I’m not clear as to exactly what she is saying, but it sounds remarkably like Sarah Palin. Someone must have said something to upset her. Imagine that!
Just hi – and hope everyone’s travels are going well. thanks for the reminder about the town hall meeting!
Well I see peeps are being lazy and not starting up any conversations – at least as I am writing this, there is still one lone comment on this thread. OK, I am proposing a topic. I think it may be somewhat in line with some of what AKM has written from her journeys.
(and it is one of my favorite topics)
If we take into consideration that fear is what primarily motivates people who rant on about socialism and other things that seem nonsensical to most of the people who read Mudflats – What can we do as individuals to allay those fears and bring those people into participation in a more reasonable dialogue?
And, saying that they are all too ignorant is not an acceptable answer.
Before anybody thinks I am claiming to be ‘all that’, allow me to confess that at the town hall meeting, I was the only person I heard yelling at someone who pissed me off with their rhetoric. Fortunately for me, I was in the back of the room and there was lots of other noise so my moment of possible infamy was not caught by the cameras or microphones. I am truly grateful.
I was there with a friend waving signs but we felt pretty thin on the ground. Glad to know we weren’t alone even though we had moments of feeling that way…
Green technologies have been stymied by battery technology for quite some time. Recent breakthroughs in solar panel technology (imagine solar cells applied like paint!), wind generation, and several other areas all have needed a breakthrough in battery technology to become viable, breakthrough technologies. This is the most exciting piece of news I’ve seen yet in the realm of new battery technology. For the first time it appears we really are on the brink of turning some green technologies into disruptive technologies. I believe I’ll drink a Coors to that.
In a modest building on the west side of Salt Lake City, a team of specialists in advanced materials and electrochemistry has produced what could be the single most important breakthrough for clean, alternative energy since Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.
The prize is the culmination of 10 years of research and testing — a new generation of deep-storage battery that’s small enough, and safe enough, to sit in your basement and power your home.
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/article_b0372fd8-3f3c-11de-ac77-001cc4c002e0.html/
This afternoon the Presidents Town Hall was shown on C-SPAN. I kept it on the channel and right afterward they were replaying and an event that happened right before the President went in to the town hall meeting.
Inside the White House Michael Smercomish ( A radio Host ) was taping a live call in radio show with questions from various listeners. These were unplanned questions and the President and Michael looked they were enjoying the event.
He was cool, calm and very confident. For those detractors of his out there…. notice there is ‘ no teleprompter ‘ needed to answer the questions. The really dumb people seem to have given up on that point and moved on to ‘death panels ‘ now.
Maybe earlier in the week the real ‘ wing-nuts ‘ might have gotten the whole health care reform debate message side-tracked but I think his confidence is showing here and he is ready to take the fight to them.
From the C-SPAN archives. 30 minutes in length. Taped in the Diplomatic Reception Room, Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, DC, United States
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=288479-1
@Writing from Alaska – Can´t hang around to talk, but had to let you know – you are wonderful! You went to the town hall and when you had a moment of weakness you realized…. Good for you. Big hug. Sorry I gotta run now. Morning here and time to do the shopping.
I start thinking that those that yell do not want to listen. Don´t waste your time on them. I´ve seen them on forums and private messaging. Anything the President does is WRONG. Maybe even anything anybody does is wrong. So talk to the people who have not made up their mind yet. When you are talking to the unreasonable on the forums, realize it is not them you are talking to, but all the lurkers and silent majority. Just keep it respectful and factual, even if the one you react too is not, because you still have a chance to convince the others. Just an idea.
Also as a reminder….so BuffaloGal doesn’t have to be reminding people.
The PalinTruthWatch Twitter account was started today and should be a good resource to counteract the lies and misinformation that everybody’s favorite Crazy lady is putting out there. Spread the word and get the link into stories
( like at Huffpo ) so that other people know about it. Encourage others to sign up as Followers on threads. The Daily Kos as well as some of your favorite AK blogs are already followers.
{ Thanks to BuffaloGal for all the effort and work to set up this account }
As per the tweet sent out this afternoon:
“Send links for videos, articles, news, commentary,etc to: PalinNews@gmail.com – Also direct questions and feedback to that account. THANKS”
http://twitter.com/palintruthwatch
A friend of Shannyn posted this on her facebook page. Too good not to share:
Someone probably already caught this, but here is Gov. Palin’s former Communications Director Bill MacAllister on the switch from private insurance (through KTUU) to A STATE PROVIDED HEALTH CARE PLAN :
“I believe that it was the Lord’s will… that I got this job. You know why? Because a couple of months after I got this job, I found out that I had lymphoma, and I would be either bankrupt or dead now, if I had not had this job.”
– quote from Anchorage Press, June 10, 2009
I think we need to talk to everyone we can. My favorite conservative showed up at dog park today. He’s an old guy who lost his wife last year after a long battle.
He’s very conservative and generally likes to say he has no use for government even though he spent his entire career in the Fire Dept. Go figure.
Anyways, he has often asked me and others for our opinions and we all keep it respectful and reasonable. Dogs are calming and distracting.
Anyways, I told him I’m favoring Medicare for All and keeping the care delivery systems private. What’s funny is that I could tell by his face that he had never heard of that idea. He listens to Rush and faux. After a moment of contemplation, he was back to “well, but it’s government in insurance”.
So OK, it’s his turn to educate me on Medicare. So I just asked him to explain to me what’s wrong with Medicare. Of course, he loves his Medicare and medigap insurance. He and his wife didn’t spend a nickel for care. And I know her care was extensive during her last year and included trips to San Francisco to see specialists. So now that’s he’s had the chance to knock Medicare maybe he’s realized it ain’t so bad after all. Hey, wait a minute it’s actually a well run service. No hassles and no out of pocket thanks to a really good medigap policy from his government pension. He was a Captain in LAFD.
I told him about my private insurance. How it costs me 12K per year before any payment comes from Blue Shield. Also told him how I was stuck. I wanted to price Blue Cross this year and they sent me a form that wanted the details of every visit over the past 10 years. He agreed “you gotta be kidding” on being able to provide that level of detail. And so much for competition.
We talked a bit about how to pay for all of this. We discussed this about Medicare. Back in 1997 it was projected that Medicare would be broke by 2001. However, in 2001 the Trustee projected it was ok until 2029. Bottom line is that it’s a complex formula and is very dependent upon the growth stats for the economy.
Also pointed out that if we replaced private insurance with Medicare for All then we can take the 30 cents of every dollar of overhead and use maybe 25 cents for the delivery of real care to a lot more people.
I don’t know that I”ve changed his mind totally but I think he might have to be a bit more critical the next time someone starts screaming about socialism and the take over of health care.
I’m thinking that one of the biggest lies out there is that a lot of folks think that some how all hc delivery is going to be “taken over” by the government. It just ain’t so.
I think honest conversation with friends and neighbors about the real issues is the way to move this forward. It’s a very complex subject and we need to talk to one another with facts and truth and ideas. We need to calmly state our fears.
I’d like to get a fun button to wear. Kind of “ask me about health care?” but it should be cute and fun. Anybody have any ideas?
I’m off to bed, boy it’s late. But thanks for listening.
Thanks for a great write-up, fan! You’ve shown that there is hope. I’m sure he’ll be thinking about that conversation for awhile.
No problem allaying people’s fears–just change their basic natures. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy! Really, though, it seems that what you are asking is akin to asking how we can change all the pessimists out there into optimists. People who buy into fear do that in every aspect of their lives. They see the glass as half empty and spend so much energy making certain no one else gets whatever’s in the glass that they forget to hydrate.
Here’s what I think is interesting…aren’t we (Democrats/Progressives) supposed to be the party of softies? You know: “If it will save only one live, it will be worth the cost?” Aren’t we the party that spends money like drunken sailors? Aren’t we the “atheists”? So here’s my point–a significant %age oof our health care dollars are spent artificially extending life. If we believed in God
, we might be inclined to say that we are playing God in those situations…think Terri Schiavo. The concept of Death Panels, while a very slippery slope, would be financially prudent–not a trait we have ever been accused of! It would be very disrespectful to human life–again, not something for which Progressives are famous. Because they believe we are all athiests, it would inply that we would be all for intervening against God’s “actions”. What I am saying is that somehow they have trumped up this fear in spite of the fact that the accusations of Death Panels fly in the face of everything that Progressives and Democrats have ever represented (and the things we have been mocked for!) If they can be fearful in the face of this, I have to believe that they are really intent on just being fearful. (Also, have to infer that they are projecting their own secret desires onto us.)
P.S. My friend’s dad had a stroke recently, but he had a Living Will stating “No Heroic Measures” and “No Artificial Life Support.” BUT Steve’s siblings needed time for “closure”, so they kept him on Life Support until they could all reach consensus regarding their wishes. The cost for the ER to determine that the stroke was too massive to treat: $75,000. Multiply this cost by the # of times this happens in healthcare, and you have probably just paid to cover a lot of the uninsured in the US.
@letters from europe: That’s priceless.
also @writing from Alaska. I think we need to keep emphasizing that medicare, medicaid, and the veteran’s administration are all government programs.
Also, I heard on NPR last year of a study that showed that in general when people on the right are shown that what they had believed is incorrect, they simply cling more strongly to their views. So you’re probably right that it might not even do much good to point out that medicare is a government program.
I’d like us to be going to more town meetings and holding up “public option” signs. We’re theoretically more organized than the right, so we’d better be acting like we are. No complacency here! There’s not much I can do locally, cuz all my reps support public insurance, but lots of us are in places where our voices could make a huge difference.
The site somehow editted my post…It cost less than $5000 to determine that Steve’s dad’s stroke was untreatable, but it cost over $75,000 to keep him breathing artificailly until the family was prepared to honor his wishes. Imagine the costs if he didn’t have the Living Will!
Bonjour à tous!
Just a thought – and will not too surpized to have a few people screaming at me after I voice it! I first became interested in American politics when I started to become intrigued by a man named Barrack Obama, who was at that time running against so many odds, for President of the USA. Today, I wonder if so many of the social problems you face on a day to day bases, which in turn create such a negative impact on the political decisions that are needed to improve the lives of ALL citizens, are the result of just plain ignorance. Surely the need for a truly comprehensive education for all is a primary need to ensure that the next generation will have less hatred, bias, racism and bigotry in their makeup, and therefore more discerning when voting for a public official. I am sure I read somewhere that the level of education in Alaska is one of the lowest in the USA – perhaps that can explain why so many still support Ms Palin. I am however sure that many who originally voted for her believed what she portrayed herself to be, but now realize that she is what in my opinion can be best termed as a sociopath. Yes, she needs to be watched carefully, world history demonstrates only too clearly how often sociopaths have ended up in powerful positions. She has an ignorant, bigoted, and violent base, and I believe is capable of anything to obtain her ambitions. John McCain, you should be ashamed for unleashing this monster.
To be honest, I’m having a struggle reading the posts, emotional so please forgive me. My older Sister, dang I am now the oldest Sis these days.
Okay, in this last February 2009 we lost my big Sis. She was a USPS employee, with disabilities diabetes & later on the job hernias, hassled from when she first got her job all those years ago (yep, from the time she applied she got married & was GASP pregnant) 28some years ago, they never stopped trying to fire her after the Union made them not discriminate due to pregnancy.
Big Sis died about 2months shy of retirement & Social Security. They found the paperwork in her car, cleaning it out after dealing with the mortuary. She spent 12 DAYS! yes 12 DAYS kept alive against her wishes. $190 thousand plus dollars. It was a “teaching hospital” and her last gasp effort to appoint my younger Sis to make arrangements, had told her in the car she wanted “no measures”… well they just started shoveling tubes. Younger Sis finally had to start shouting in the hospital to make it stop.
Like I said, Big Sis had great Federal Medical Insurance, bet she … sorry I’m unable to talk further, please forgive any typos.
(((Kath the Scrappy)))
Actually, I think the point I was trying to make with regards to my Big Sis is that if she had been able to make that discussion with her doctor about End of Life, it would have been On Record. No 12 days of playing games while bumping up the costs.
Sarah Palin may you rot and someday find yourself in a similar situation. Lord help any family member you care about.
scrappy – i feel your pain and anguish……end of life decisions are so important and difficult and emotional……but when they occur while we are in good health or at least before the worst has occurred – then they become a learning process between the person who is telling us their desires and the family members that will be there when those decisions are put into action.
It is much more comforting for the surviving family and loved ones to know intellectually and emotionally that medical decisions are in line with the desires of the person who is ill or dying.
this intimate conversation with our parents, siblings, and children should not be a cultural taboo — but another facet of our love and compassion for those we hold dear.
@ Irishgirl Says:
Thanks for the hugs. The diabetes my Big Sis had started from that same pregnancy – Gestational Diabetes I think they call it.
((((Kath)))) Thank you for telling us about your sister.
Anyone at any time could be in need of an advance care directive. Here is some information listed by state: http://www.noah-health.org/en/rights/endoflife/adforms.html#Alabama
Organizations such as hospices and Protection & Advocacy Agencies can assist with providing and filling out the forms.
There are also care directives for people at risk of hospitalization for other needs, such as advance care directives for mental health. These directives include important info such as who to contact, whether there are pets in the home, preferred doctor, drug warnings, and permitted visitors. The document is filed with your neighborhood hospital so that it is available if you are admitted.
Okay, this was too damn funny not to share, but ***VULGAR ALERT***, if you have modest sensibilities this is not for you – comments are a hoot.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/21/770310/-Only-Levi-Johnstons-naked,-videotaped-wang-can-save-us-now
Don’t say you weren’t warned
Inspiring story
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/20/cnnheroes.faith.coleman/index.html
Yes, we can.
UK Lady – after that I will never be able to read or hear about Levi without thinking, Levi? No, his name is Tug, right? Yep, our wee little Tug Johnston is all growed uppers!
Kath- Hugs to you. I certainly hope your story will be one of those “In the olden days…” stories very soon. No one should have to go through that. 12 days is a long time for patient and family.
Namaste
Actually, paperwork is not always the same depending on the locale. I was a caregiver for a coworker that died from AIDS in here in Seattle 1998. We were kind of the ‘oddity’ of the AIDS community for the 6 years he lasted beyond the expectancy. We weren’t related, weren’t in a relationship (he was as Gay as God made him & I’m as Straight as God made me), we were just coworkers. Since I was the Medical POA for him, I held the ORIGINAL Medical POA document, with copies submitted to each doctor for their files. When we went to the hospital I needed to be able to pull out & show the original.
In Arizona apparently (my younger Sisters handled the caregiver stuff for my Mom & Dad) the paperwork is handled differently. Like I said, they found my Sister’s paperwork which was drawn up by her Attorney later in her car. She was very religious and her two daughters were raised very religiously, one of whom would have kept her alive no matter what. That’s why my Sis wrote on the hospital intake paperwork that Younger Sister would make all decisions. But later the hospital asked no questions. Each day, they shoveled more tubes in until Younger Sis started yelling Who is Authorizing This?
But perhaps all the medical records being electronically synchronized, like Obama is wanting, would make this sort of thing less likely to occur.
Kath the Scrappy
Your stories and others from the US are heartbreaking, so sorry.
Hey Hoken (aka Closet Mudpup), Boy am I glad you put that link up. Totally awesome. I wrote to my nephew (engineer in the making) and then to everyone else I know totally cool.
I’ve been waiting for those batteries. Now I just need the money for land, a house, the solar and wind power and I’m GOING OFF GRID!
Thanks again.
Meant to say:
Actually, paperwork is not always *HANDLED* the same depending on the locale.
Thanks EVERYONE for your patience!
Think I have been ready to blow a gasket ever since the crazy woman spewed about her ‘death panels’ – then listening to Lisa Murkowski talking tonight about HER medical insurance (yes, the very same as my Big Sister’s) just kind of tripped my trigger. Now, I will shut up and go to bed. Again, thanks for the hugs & support.
Hoken (aka Closet Mudpup), Just had to post again.
What’s really cool is this is going to be a complete turnaround for energy and energy sources.
We have acid burn on our trees out here in Western MA, from the power plants in the mid-west. When we lived in Marblehead, MA (coast) the power plant in Salem was shown to create breathing problems in our kids. Other health problems were clustered in Marblehead, but the plant was never shown to be the cause. Having less power plants would be great for slowing global warming and health issues.
Or how about those in rural areas? Alaska comes to mind, even if the green power source is not sun (sort of difficult for part of the year) these batteries could still be charged by other (thermal heat? wind? )
Taking stress off our aging electrical grid would be excellent also. Less worry about terrorist attacks, ice storms (we had one last year, everyone was off grid for over a week).
So many uses. I think the idea that this is HUGE is correct. The analogy to going from Main frame computers to laptops is appropriate. Everyone thought it wouldn’t make a difference. HA!
Thanks again.
The good news is that here in ultra conservative Utah, I read 4 letters to the editor in the Tribune that favored healthcare reform, and zero that were anti-reform or supported the actions of the protesters.
In yesterday’s paper, a physician wrote a letter and expressed his disgust at Palin’s “dealth panel” rhetoric and denounced her careless language to describe important end-of-life issues. Plus two more positive letters about reform….zero negative. They also ran a story about the skyrocking costs of HC coverage and the impact it is having on families.
This in a RED state….so that is great news.
The bad news: They LOVE Glen Beck here because he is a fellow mormon. He travels to the state a lot for speaking engagements,etc. I wonder if their love of him will cool in light of his recent bad behavior.
@trisha
They LOVE Glen Beck here because he is a fellow mormon.
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Glen Beck is a MORMON?! I had no idea.
One more time, Hoken (aka Closet Mudpup)!
Wrote to Rachel Maddow, subject title? For your Inner Geek. If she comes home soon, I’ll make sure she sees this. It is so awesome!
Forgive if this has been posted, but I couldn’t help but guffaw.
This is from the Christian Science Monitor. As to the “sanity” bit – we already knew that, right?
The latest rumor wending its way around the Interwebs – and it’s a doozy – has Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin ditching Anchorage for the suburbs of the Rhode Island. According to the Anchorage Daily News, Palin would fund the move to blue state America “with $7 million from her book and a contract with FOX. And, oh yes, she’s never running for office again.”
Silly, right? After all, just a month ago, Palin was using Twitter to wax poetic on the enduring beauties of her home state: I’m “tasting a nibble of AK’s bounty,knowing AKns are never bored;so much to do & discover [sic],” she tweeted. The gossip, for now, is just gossip — the Palin team has remained mum. Still, the Providence Journal thought enough of the rumors to run its own article.
The Journal’s Randal Edgar even tracked down Rhode Island Republican Party Chairman Giovanni Cicione for a quote. Cicione, a conservative marooned in a very blue New England state, wondered what would compel Palin to choose the Ocean State. “Anyone who wants to move to Rhode Island, we would have to question their sanity,” he said.
So what would Palin find if she moved to Rhode Island? A whole lot of Democrats, for starters. As Tabassum Zakaria of Reuters notes, Rhode Island has gone for the Democratic candidate in all but four presidential elections since 1928. According to RI.gov, the state went blue in a major way in 2008 — some 63 percent of the ballots were cast for Barack Obama. Compare that to the 35 percent of Rhode Islanders who voted for the John McCain and Sarah Palin ticket.
On the plus side, compared to the harsh winds of Alaska, the New England winters will feel positively balmy.
GA Peach – LOL, Maybe all those millions of people calling him a MORON are just bad spellers.
NAH!
Frenchconnection
What’s to disagree with in your post? Those that choose to be negative don’t want to change (usually).
Ignorance begets more ignorance, and fear as well. Ergo, a woman with very few qualifications has a very vocal following, most of whom are ill-educated and just begging to have their fears fed.
Who could argue with your comment? Not me!
Did you know you were mentioned in an article on CNN.com?
http://us.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/21/outing.anonymous.bloggers/index.html
a fan from CA @9
I can relate to your “favorite conservative” story. I do agree with others that for the furthest of the right, there is no hope, but what I am finding is that most of the “conservatives” in my area are just repeating the talking points from Fox. They don’t know much deeper than the TP, and to be effective, I don’t want to start an argument. I take a page from PO’s “common ground.”
Effective yesterday to a lady who is a military wife and hates Obama-
Mentioned the radio town hall this week hosted by Michael Smercoff (sp?) Mentioned that Smercoff is a conservative radio talk show host (tinge of apology in my voice since cons like to be victims.) Suggested she might remember him when he hosted Beck’s show or was on O’Reilley (had to google to get this. Didn’t mention him on msnbc yesterday.) Suggested she watch the video since Smerguy did such a good job. Notice-what I didn’t do is promote Obama or health care. POTUS can do that himself when she watches the clip I will e-mail to her- but NOT from a “liberal” website. (I am waiting for Smerguy to post it on his website.)
I had to listen carefully early in the conversation. She is a military wife and new mother of a soldier injured last month. She has a lot on her plate. When I mentioned PO’s VFW speech and she made a slam on Obama not having trust from the troops, I knew to be careful. Quick- Paul Reicoff and the Iraqi and Afghanistan Veterans of America. I switched to Paul and what that organization is doing. My common ground with her was the fact that many of the troops have felt abandoned the past 7-8 years so they do need to feel the gov’t cares now. (She agreed- missed the Bush implications:) Told her how much this group is impacting gov’t and that is why in “the VFW speech” there was an emphasis on mental health help and suicide rates. I kept mentioned Paul (thanks Rachel Maddow!)
She is a nice lady who has gone through a lot. She is also very afraid- will her husband suffer mentally again like after his last tour? How will her older son cope again? She feels betrayed by the gov’t, and she watches Fox to make her feel as if her fears are justified instead of fixable. In a second I could have ripped her arguments, but why? Right now we have a small little connection. I won’t let that end, and each time I will try to give her a bit more information. Like CA@9, I will do it with just general questions that leave the door open for some thought.
(apologies for misspelled names. I can’t switch back and forth on this computer.)
UK Lady @ post 21.
THANK YOU. I NEEDED THE LAUGH SO BAD TODAY!!
Here is the news:
* Oil prices hit 2009 high of $74
* Bernanke says US economy on cusp of recovery
and what “news” does the MSM prefer to report?
* Poll: Americans losing confidence in Obama
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Hey, 49, wish 50 Happy Birthday today. There could be some pineapple in it for ya.
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$illy $carah has done another FB message. I am not going to link it as I don’t want to give her the hits.
Take my word for it, no way did she write it. It is about healthcare again.
The only paragraph that sounds remotely as if she wrote it is a winge about the ethics charges whilst she was Gov of AK.
As ever, she makes me sick.
The crazy lady has a new post on Facebook, of course SHE didn’t write it. Who are her handlers, Mansour? O.V.? Rove? Upinak has been gone from that site since the Crazy Lady resigned, was it Meg??
She can’t hide forever, don’t they all realize when she comes out ( goes Rouge again) and has to speak for herself this will all fall apart!! She is who she is and no amount of training or fake facebook blogging will change that. Of course her faithful only listen to her BUZZ words, military, God, special needs, servants heart,etc.
I want to see her called out, go to face to face interviews with MSM, not just Fox. Quit hiding behind a fake persona and come on out and show us what ya got. Don’t your handlers trust you???? or do they know you don’t have it and are using your name for their political agenda.
We always knew you were a Fake, this just proves it.
UK Lady – thanks (sort of ) for the head’s up on the FB post. I’ve only gotten as far as the snark sentence. I can tell I’m going to need to brace myself a bit more before reading the rest. I KNEW her camp was doing to do exactly what they’ve just done. They watched for reaction to the professional tone of the previous ghost written posts, made note of our commentary about “lack of snark” and folksy tone and then made adjustments to the voice of the posts, accordingly.
She needs to come OUT from behind that danged thing!! She is SUCH a flippin’ liar. How is it that her hoards aren’t seriously questioning her 3-D absence? This is just crazy! The MSM HAS to start posing the question now.
Still reading Palin’s FB post but wanted to put this out there : http://www.counterpunch.org/rosenberg12262007.html
It’s an article about Dr. Gottlieb that is referenced . She could’ve and should’ve chosen more wisely. From what I can tell from the reading so far, this guy is in big pharma’s pocket. I think this one is going to need to be distributed .
gak.
I have been reading and thinking about what Sarah has been stating lately in her Facebook and have been wondering who’s been writting it for her. They have been well written, not something anyone, or at least not me, would expect from her. And like it or not the phrase “Death Panels” really was a catchy term that immediately got everyones attention, especially her “captured audience” of Palinbots. They quickly spread the term and the Republicans grabbed onto it to use against Obamas Health Care Reform. Now that that term has cooled down, she has come out with a new Facebook stating that tort reform must be included as part of the Health Care Reform. Both statements were carefully word smithed and in my opinion could have only come from the Health Care Insurance lobby. Since when has Sarah been interested in health care? I believe that Sarah has made an agreement with the Health Care Lobby to use her Facebook as an outlet to forword their message to the people. I would be interested in knowing if their are any others out their who may also think she has whored out her Facebook for money.
For purposes of giggling at absurdities when it gets too intense, here is a photoshop orgy for your enjoyment. Have at it campers.
http://distributorcapny.blogspot.com/2009/08/mr-bojangles.html
Our own dear AKM is part of a story on CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/21/outing.anonymous.bloggers/index.html
cosanostradamus–Happy Birthday, little sibling State! Have a slice of cake for us!
Late last night I was browsing over some of the links that Gryphen has over on his linked pages. I just happened to click on the ‘ Blonde Sense ‘ Site.
Here was the quote in the upper part of the page.
Such a simple little saying. Sounds like ‘ $omeone ‘ we all know.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
March for Health Care Reform on 9/13.
I hate to keep badgering you guys about this, but we need every mudpuppy to support this effort. In just a couple of days, our face book group has grown to over 500 members. This is easy, just pass the word and show up!
http://www.marchforhealthcare.com/
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=118144661546&ref=ts#/group.php?gid=118144661546
Yep, M. baker Florida, this way she keeps her name out there and whoever has taken over her Facebook is getting their message out thru her. She’s probably home laughing and counting the money. I guess the media is not going to call her out, to make statements from her own mouth, but sooner or later she had to come forward and the word salad will start again!! I didn’t know Facebook could be used for a propaganda machine…thought is was for social networking.
Money and fame is the name of the game for the Crazy Lady, if SHE really cared about the health and welfare of people she would have started caring when SHE was the Gov. We all know how that turned out!
Quittypants Palin has become sooo Boring since she started to whore out FB for money.(thank you M. Baker Florida above at #42 ) I miss the train wreck…Not. Now all we get is the typical wacko conservative dribble.
Shannyn has a picture of Rachael Maddow and her up on her site today.
Ok, I admit it – I love Bill Maher.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/inew-rulei-no-shame-in-be_b_264695.html
” If Mitt Romney, Karl Rove and Sarah Palin all think America has never done anything wrong, we must be doing something wrong. Look at them: an empty suit, an empty heart and an empty head.”
you guys, look at this list Beck has put together on President Obama’s Administration ‘czars’ and their background, he is asking his cult to watch and report anything ‘fishy’, be his eyes and ears. GAH On his web site when you mouse over the link he calls Van Jones a communist, he has after Holdren’s name (forced abortions). He calls all the czars wacko’s and nutjobs.
On July 31 he decided to become a ‘community organizer’ (copycat), lol, he’s teaching and coaching his listeners to be ’10 million watchdogs’ who will report (bark, bark) ‘movement’ on any of the issues from anyone in government so they can ‘amplify’ the bark over the radio and tv. He wants to stop: (1) the health care bill (in any form) (2) Cap and Trade (3) Card Check.
He says:
“We need to watch ‑‑ quite honestly we need to guard, as much as I hate every member of congress, we need to guard congress because the executive branch is devouring all other branches. They are devouring it, and the people in congress are so stupid, so insipid or so in on the game, they are going to find themselves irrelevant wildly fast. We must guard all three branches of government. It is a shell game. It is a transformation.”
“Stop the machinery of this government because they are building something, and you do not want to have that unveiled. Believe me, you do not want that unveiled. Stop the machinery of government.”
“We will put the gears into at least neutral. Eventually we will jam that back into reverse. And if we don’t, we’ll strip all the damn gears because it will be time to get out of the car and rebuild it the American way.”
this link won’t take you to his web site only to the print page. It was posted today. he’s sickin his watchdogs on these czars.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/l9hvpc
Anyone seen this from Palingates?
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/08/sarah-palins-bad-bad-investment.html
Sarah Palin’s bad, bad investment
Sarah Palin criticized the “Obama White House” for lending money to Petrobras, a Brazilian state oil company. According to her 2008 financial disclosure, the Palins had some money invested in T.RowePrice Latin American Fund. Among the 10 largest holdings is… Petrobras.
So it’s OK for the Palins to expect a return on an investment in Petrobras, but it’s wrong for “Obama’s White House” to lend money to the same company?
Sarah Palin’s returns would have no strings attached, but the “bad” loan is made in a way that promotes the creation of jobs for Americans.
I think she should refuse to touch a single cent from this investment, it’s horrible, horrible money.
Isn’t it?
say no@52 Not to make light of Beck, he needs watching, but do you think those elves of his will get secret decoder rings? …
SayNo @ 52 – Grrrr! have you got a Kos account, has anyone, if so please stick a comment at least of the Glen Beck post they have up now about him shilling for an insurance company. They don’t seem to have seen this yet. I signed up for an account with them after 2 years of lurking because it made me so mad, but it takes 24 hours to be able to comment.
mommon @ 53 –
priceless
Here’s a Huff Po piece talking about the czars of Obama :
http://tinyurl.com/pqxauo
That Glenn craziness is just freaky. Rush and Hannity, they’re dangerous but I don’t think they’re quite as mentally deranged as Beck. It seems to me he’s on the verge of some sort of delusional snap.
mommom @ 53
Petrobras stock aside, why is Miss Real America investing in Latin America instead of investing in the United States of America and helping to create American jobs for American workers?
T. Rowe Price Latin America Fund, Sector Diversification as of 07/31/2009
% of Total Net Assets
Financials …………………………… 24.6%
Energy ……………………………….. 17.9%
Materials ……………………………. 16.8%
Telecommunication Services …. 11.3%
Consumer Discretionary …………. 8.4%
Consumer Staples ………………….. 7.6%
Industrials & Business Services … 4.4%
Information Technology ………….. 4.1%
Health Care …………………………… 0.6%
Utilities ………………………………… 0.5%
Regional Exposure as of 07/31/2009
Latin America …………. 95.1%
Europe …………………… 1.1%
Country Exposure as of 07/31/2009
Brazil ………………… 65.5%
Mexico………………. 20.2%
Chile ………………….. 4.5%
Peru …………………… 2.4%
Argentina ……………. 1.7%
United Kingdom …… 1.1%
Colombia ……………. 0.9%
AKM, In a way, you’ve been outed again; this time in a CNN article online. See:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/21/outing.anonymous.bloggers/index.html
A Hired Gun–I think AKM had actually outed herself a little while ago, as a result of having to use a “real” name at Netroots. Her real name is also on HuffPo these days, if you find her profile.
Buffalogal, I think Beck has been mystified by how Obama was so well supported during the campaign, mystified by how come so many Americans voted for him, mystified by how well he’s liked all over the world and he’s trying to get a handle on what progressives think and how they operate. I think he had an ‘aha moment’ around July 30 to the success and he’s ‘trying’ in turn, to copy it for his own agenda thinking he can turn the tables, dream on.
It will never work, lol, because what we’re doing, we’re doing for the right reasons, showing fairness and compassion to all US citizens and it’s what we all knew needed to happen, he campaigned on it, we agreed and voted him in.
Beck thinks we’re extreme, wrong and out to destroy and bankrupt America. I disagree, lol, along with millions of others, we are working hard to correct a lot of poor greedy decisions and 8 yrs of mismanagement.
I think Beck is extreme rightwinged and wrong. We won. Why doesn’t try running for office himself if he thinks he has all the answers and his opinions are SO widely desired. Ha, he’d never have a chance in h*ll with his wild accusations and hate rhetoric, same for Rush, put up or shut up. Where the heck does Beck live anyway. lol, I have no clue.
BTW, the link posted (somewhere, lol) to President Obama being interviewed by the ‘conservative’ talk radio host yesterday before the CNN call in town hall, is very, very good! It is a perfect one to send to other conservatives. The callers with concerns and questions were even polite and addressed him as Mr. President, lol, nothing like the disrespect we see on the ‘other’ blogs.
Here’s the link in case someone missed it.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nlwlzx
I haven’t watched the CNN discussion yet.
UKLady, no I don’t have a KOS account, I probably should huh. I’ll head over to take care of that little detail.
Sorry, I guess I have not been following this situation that closely.
Mommom @53, now that in all fairness should go viral, lol. She’s clueless and it shows, OR whoever the heck is writing for her on Facebook had no idea about the connection. I wonder if it is Ivy Fey.
I’ll have to scoot over the Palingates post. I have so many tabs open it’s crazy, lol.
Remember Betsy McCaughey who was on Jon Stewart last night…?
Just one of $arah’s new BFF’s that she pals around with and shares ideas.
As of today… she has’ resigned ‘ from the company she was with.
“A release put out Friday afternoon by Cantel Medical says that the company received McCaughey’s letter of resignation on Thursday. The letter, Cantel Medical says, “stated that she was resigning to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest during the national debate over healthcare reform.”
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http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/21/mccaughey/
BuffaloGal…..?
I was going to send that link in the # 63 post to the PalinTruthWatch link at gmail but earlier this morning I used that address and my Outlook would not deliver it. I was using the email address that was right off the Twitter account message.
Is it working for you… are you getting messages there?
As per my # 63 post… it looks like it is NOT a good idea to go on Jon Stewart if you don’t have the Facts to back yourself up. John Cramer learned this the hard way.
The coming-out stories of anonymous bloggers:http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/21/outing.anonymous.bloggers/index.html
Mudflats is being mentioned… not sure if this link was posted yet.
the link looks wonky
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/21/outing.anonymous.bloggers/index.html
59 Say NO to Palin in Politics Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 1:00 PM
BTW, the link posted (somewhere, lol) to President Obama being interviewed by the ‘conservative’ talk radio host yesterday before the CNN call in town hall, is very, very good! It is a perfect one to send to other conservatives. The callers with concerns and questions were even polite and addressed him as Mr. President, lol, nothing like the disrespect we see on the ‘other’ blogs
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NO to palin….I did not know when I was watching the Interview on C-SPAN that he was a Conservative radio host. He was very thoughtful and well-mannered as well as ALL of the callers that called in. I thought he might have been from Air America or something. I had posted the link ( directly off C-SPAN archives ) early this morning as well. It looks like the same interview.
Here is that link again if someone needs to save it as well.
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=288479-1
A Hired Gun–she didn’t ever make it public per se. I only know because I e-mailed her when I saw her real name on HuffPo and was worried about it. She said she’d done it and was slowing “outing” herself…
I’m live blogging the Oceans Task Force meeting at Progressive Alaska.
honestyinGov – My mistake on the email address over at twitter. It’s fixed now. It’s not clickable anymore but you can cut and paste it. I’ll work on putting together a contact page to link to. Thanks for spotting that !
There are more comments to respond to but I’m sort of lost in forest of way too many open browsers. Hopefully I’ll be able to follow my breadcrumb trail outta there and get back here to fully read the posts from today. ( and y’know, I also have to make mention that I absolutely love what Regina does over at Palingates. That’s one clever, clever gal ! )
This link was posted on a Huffpo thread. You can sign it if You haven’t already.
406,000 signatures so far.
http://standwithdrdean.com/
This is a totally good smack down for miss Scarah quitty pants, even though they’re nice enough not to point fingers at her, they go for the person she lifted the info from. She’s playin with the big dogs now, they’re not going to take her nonsense or let it fly. Which is a very good thing.
http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfm
I do think that the fact we are not talking about her latest BS is working. That it is irrelevant.
I mean’t “it”. As you yanks would say….stick a fork in her.
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IRISHGIRL: WE don’t like being called “Yanks,’ we prefer Yanko-Americans. Thanks, and slainte. Oh, and in the South, they prefer “Yawl.”
‘ @#45
InJuneau Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 8:50 AM
cosanostradamus–Happy Birthday, little sibling State! Have a slice of cake for us!
http://blog-me-no-blogs.blogspot.com/2009/08/50th-states-50th-birthday.html ‘
Will do, belated Happy 49th to you. Yawl.
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cosanostradamus–Thanks! So, whatca doing to celebrate?
Up here, though, we’re not so much into y’all as in the South (even though I live in the Southeast…
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okay, at first she denies any conflict of interest, while expressing her opinions in a very public way, influencing and scaring the public, then 9 days later she resigns because she does not want to have it appear there is a conflict of interest?
whoa, what happened. Do we have serious dirt found? Did this backfire? Was she forced out? Is she a loose gun mavericky repub female? 3 peas in a pod, Scarah, Bachman and Betsy McCaughey. Maybe someones playbook is outdated.
I had no clue one could make that much money sitting on boards. No wonder those sitting on them are ‘selectively chosen and appointed’, nice bit of cash in the pocket for those who clearly don’t even need it. I read a while back that most of the banker CEO’s were on Insurance, Health industry and Pharma boards, imagine that, many boards at a time, the connections are dizzying. But at least it’s becoming harder to be so obvious, that certain secret house on a certain street in Washington is gonna need more rooms. I apologize to those good people out there that legitimately sit on boards and really care, I’m just trying to make a point.
“Some critics have suggested that McCaughey is motivated by other interests – in recent years, she has collected some $23,600 per year in board fees and options from a drugmaking company, Genta Inc., although she resigned in 2007.
She remains on the board of Cantel Medical Group, a medical equipment company that pays her some $30,000 a year in fees.
But McCaughey – formerly married to billionaire financier Wilbur Ross – dismissed as “ridiculous” any notion that the payments show a conflict of interest.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/08/13/2009-08-13_former_lt_gov_mccaughey_leads_death_panel_charge_writing_up_talking_points_on_he.html#ixzz0OrbjZsSi
Say NO to Palin in Politics–well, we all know that most Rs wouldn’t recognize a conflict of interest if it bit them in the behind in broad daylight, so I can’t say as how I’m shocked.
in Mizzura, the rural folks say “y’uns”, it took me a while to get that they were saying plural, as in ‘you all’ or ‘are you’, lol. “Y’uns goin to town?”
Injuneau, I’m not shocked either, but I’m glad when they get their greedy manipulating rears busted.
AKM, tweeted Rachel Maddow is a Mudflatter, Whahoo Rachel Girlfriend! We love you. We are honored! Thank you for all the good you do.
alright, lol, where is everyone? having a real Friday night I hope! I’m goin there too.
What is up with the use of the word czar. I first heard it during the election campaign from the McCain/Palin camp?
Now I keep hearing it all the time. It is an OK word, but a little oldfashioned, and does not fit American politics very well.
@ 52 gawd, he sounds like Palin. that shite doesn’t make sense.
Hi Say NO! You are not alone. I just got on. Yep! Rachel is one of us!!!
wes-ben I got a letter from the senator for my Area .Even though he disagrees with my position,he is a republican,but I still wanted him to know my thoughts on this matter.At least he did answer back with a very nice letter saying why he disagreed with me.I might say it was a form letter but at the end he said he realized we had different views on health care and thanked me for writing.
Hugs to Kath the Scrappy.
what is the sense of a living will if people can stop it like the siblings did.If a person is brain dead they would not know you were there anyway and IMO you wishes should be followed to the letter.
About Texas and their text books Rush L really they want to teach their children about a known drug addict and seller.Just goes to show what Texas or at least parts of it are about Harris county is one of the most corrupt counties in Texas and Project innocent has found many many people that were imprisoned that were innocent,,Proved by DNA evidence after spending many years in prison.I have to say that after that many years in prison for a crime you did not commit would make you real touch about any LE person,being i9n prison and living with some prisoner may make someone worse now than they may have been when they went in especially as they were innocent.
Betsy McCaughy who originated the “Death Panel” myth has “resigned”. Ha! Keith reported that she was fired. Good! I hope Palin suffers some consequence for continuing the myth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/21/death-panel-myth-creator_n_265547.html
SC’s Governor Sandford may be facing his own travelgate: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101946.html
A fellow Congressman from Iowa has come out and given his opinion as to whether of not Grassley is actually trying achieve health care reform. He has some real problems with what Grassley is doing and about his motivations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bruce-braley/senator-grassley-putting_b_265104.html
I guess we should encourage Rep. Braley to speak up more. And get rid of this ” Gang of Six” and let everybody work on it.
If Rachel is reading this, then she needs to know that she’s being unfair to Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) by including her in a “gang of 6.” Snowe clearly states that certain things have been co-opted. But she’s wrong to state that the public option is not on the table – mainly because another effort in the Senate includes the public option.
Further, Rachel mixes and matches House and Senate versions to the point of confusing this listener. Let’s keep it real by not over-hyping the nabobs of negativity in the Senate.
Now, Michelle Bachmann… she’s fair game just be virtue of taking on the role of being the House’s version of Sarah Palin. All hair, no brain.
KO says Betsy Mcnuts did not resign but was… fired?
Just watched Bill Maher. His closing segment was priceless! I don’t have a link (don’t know if there is one yet) but if you missed it it will probably show up on UTube. Don’t miss it!
re my previous post…here is the link to the transcript. Great thoughts on America apologizing and the lame republican rants against it. No video yet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/inew-rulei-no-shame-in-be_b_264695.html
seattlefan was great wasn’t it Loved the empty suit empty heart and empty head part LOL
Please see the 2nd Roger Ebert posting on health care!!!
(he posted the first a couple of days ago) MUST READ!!!!
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/08/im_safe_on_board_you_can_pull.html
Salmon for the winter is going to be rare for the people of Nome per reports of the salmon returns on local radio station, KNOM. Two of my friends from Nome report; six pink salmon dried; two salmon caught with rod and reel all summer. A disaster for the Nome area people is in order.
“I didn’t think this day would come. Squeaky Fromme—tried to assassinate President Gerald Ford—she’s been let out of prison. She was paroled. Is she going to get a job? If you think about it, there aren’t many jobs for unstable, gun-toting women unless she wants to run for governor of Alaska.”
—David Letterman
cosanostradamus Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 3:34 PM
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IRISHGIRL: WE don’t like being called “Yanks,’ we prefer Yanko-Americans. Thanks, and slainte. Oh, and in the South, they prefer “Yawl.”
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My apologies, talk about foot in mouth. I’ll change that term to my good American friends. (insert shamefaced emoticon).
@ cosanostradamus Says:
August 21st, 2009 at 3:34 PM
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IRISHGIRL: WE don’t like being called “Yanks,’ we prefer Yanko-Americans. Thanks, and slainte. Oh, and in the South, they prefer “Yawl.”
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It’s y’all, y’all.
Love that Letterman.
AKM and Shannyn are headed home per Tweet.
Mudflats Up, up and away! Anchorage bound. Great trip but good to be heading home.
25 minutes ago from mobile web
I was incensed when some of us Democrats compared Bush to Nazis, and I’m still incensed now the some Republicans are doing the same thing to Obama. Those that think they’re right, funny, whatever, have no idea what the Nazi regime represented. My uncle, Gene, was awarded the French medal of Honor after he was wounded three times while calling in strikes on a Nazi occupied town, and refused to be extracted from his position until the town occupied was controlled by allied forces.
What the allies found in the town made them sick, as the men, women and children were slaughtered by the Nazis because they fought back against them. When a regime has to resort to lining up children and gunning them down, then evil has taken hold. To compare Obama, or Bush, to that is just plain sick.
I don’t remember how I found this article, but it is very good. Another one to pass on to those who are confused or undecided about health care.
http://conspireality.tv/2009/08/18/mythbusting-canadian-health-care-part-i/#comment-1171
“As a health-care-card-carrying Canadian resident and an uninsured American citizen who regularly sees doctors on both sides of the border, I’m in a unique position to address the pros and cons of both systems first-hand.”
Therriault leaving the Legislature for a job with Parnell
State Senate Minority Leader Gene Therriault is resigning from the Legislature for a job in the Parnell administration. He will become Parnell’s “senior policy adviser on Alaska energy.”
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/143085
I’m shocked, I tell ya . . .
Quick!! Everybody!! Clean up, they’re headed home!!!
Here in NYC, especially in the borough of Brooklyn (contiguous with the County of Kings, where I was born but where I do not reside), the plural of “you” is “youse,” often rhyming with cruise, but also pronounced with a schwa for the vowels (the midpoint between yiz and yuz). Except for certain neighborhoods, this variant is dying, like regional accents throughout the US. It can be heard in “tough guy” speech in myriad old movies, often coupled with guys, as in youse guys. I’m fond of regional accents, even when they grate on the ears.
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boodog Says:
August 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 AM
Quick!! Everybody!! Clean up, they’re headed home!!!
I’ll help!
Dusting frantically…..
this would be interesting to attend, any Mudpups close to these cities please go and support this, let us know the details. I’m sure you’ll find out some way cool stuff! I’m too far away, darn it. This should encourage those looking for work.
http://www.repoweramerica.org/us/press/alliance-for-climate-protection-blue-green-alliance-hit-the-road/
“A recent Blue Green Alliance report found if the U.S. instituted a national renewable energy standard, more than 850,000 manufacturing jobs at firms already in existence across all 50 states could be created manufacturing the parts for wind, solar, geothermal and biomass power. A Center for American Progress report also found that investing $150 billion a year in America’s clean energy economy could create 1.7 million jobs, which could include jobs like retrofitting and constructing new energy efficient buildings and manufacturing next-generation, plug-in hybrid and electric cars.
“We can create millions of jobs building the clean energy economy — whether it’s manufacturing the parts for windmills, building hybrid car batteries or weatherizing homes to make them more efficient,” said David Foster, executive director of the Blue Green Alliance. “Now we’re combining our efforts to spread the message that by transitioning to a clean energy economy, we can revitalize America’s manufacturing sector and boost our economy for the long run — and create jobs Made in America.”
The Made in America Jobs Tour will kick off Thursday, August 20 in Cleveland, Ohio, and consists of more than 50 events in 22 states, including St. Louis, Missouri; Detroit, Michigan; Gary, Indiana and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and will stress the job-creation benefits of clean energy policies.”
here’s a list of cities for the energy tour.
http://www.repoweramerica.org/us/tour
Amy, hide the bottles…..
boodog,
Where’s the recycling bin for all these bottles??? We can’t just chuck them outside……..
recycle, amy, sheesh!
haha, I meant, outside Amy, outside….i’m going to bed
Boodog and Amy – Quick!! Everybody!! Clean up, they’re headed home!!!
I’ll help!
Dusting frantically…..
I’m picking up the papers, beer cans, chip bags – who will vacuum?
Born and raised in the Chicago area ( now I live in Texas) the plural of “you” is You Guys. Even if you are addressing a group of girls. I recieve alot of dirty looks when i first moved here talking to a group of southerns girls.LOL
tigerwine I’m picking up the papers, beer cans, chip bags – who will vacuum?the vacuum belt just broke and I have popcorn all over the floor.Sh*t what am I going to do AKM will be here before we know it .
115 C.Rock- too cute.
Let the dog in to clean up the popcorn!
HEY!!
Of course you should let the dog in. Many years ago I started the daily tradition of popcorn. It is a fantastic source of fiber, and done in an air popper with small squirts of butter spray, it is very low calorie. It wasn’t until both our dogs died that I realized what a very messy food it is.
Snoskred ? Just a meak and humble request but, perhaps an new open thread with a “welcome home” theme , for today ? I think we’d all like to welcome the girls back heartily. (i’m not sure how these things work so again, the request is made quietly and from the back of the room)
I didn’t mean you boodog! I meant our hoover of a cocker spaniel – she does an amazing job of cleaning floors!
i second Buffalo Gal’s suggestion of a new open thread with the theme of WELCOME HOME.
maybe hamlet’s mill and prisoner number six and i can fashion a big ‘while you were gone we chatted on your blog’ cleaner upper?
shoooshh and varooom (noise sounds do work on the tubes, right?)
Hey folks – we started a welcome home thread on the forum – at http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,7954.new.html#new.
Please join us there or leave your cheery welcomes here if you are of a mind to.
We are having a party on the forum, so feel free to join in if you haven’t done so already – it is fairly painless – !!
WritingfromAlaska – nicely done and great thought ! (and why didn’t I think of that ???) Thanks!
Should we open up the tree fort chat, as well?
BuffaloGal Says:
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 AM
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Please get down off the chandalier.
Irishgirl –
You know full well that I do my best work right here on the chandalier. I shan’t come down. ( i shan’t, i say )
If you insist, but you know full well when AKM and Shannyn come back, and the lights are turned on, you will be burnt.
I’ll go get Brian off the couch and set him out some fresh compost by the back door.
And don’t say I didn’t warn y’all.
C Rock – You’ll do anything to get out of work. Broken belt, indeed!
Thanks Ben. Buffalo girl is being difficult.
Irish – I think you’re right. I think I’ll join the others out back. Much better idea.
( ‘cept I’m not entirely sure where “out back” is )
Send a Google map!
Irish – I’ll call you out to the tree fort chat room for the rest of this .
Google map!
Just let go.
it’s 3:30ish EST – care for chat ? c’mon up
Not sure if this link goes directly into chat but, let’s give it a go, shall we:
http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php?action=chat
My good ness – look at this mess !! As soon as I am done with my house, I will help you out….tsk, tsk.
Lordy me! I lose sight of Irish and BuffaloGal for a couple of seconds and look what happens.
buffalogal, your link goes into chat but everyone there is in suspended animation, I think, no chattering…
and i was really looking for a way out of clean up duties…
boodog,
I was looking for a vacuum…..we’re still in chat
Sanford and Scarah are so alike. I think people in every state should start checking up on their governors and their administrations. None of this would have come out if the ‘affair’ hadn’t been discovered.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101946.html
“The governor’s use of private planes falls under state ethics laws requiring disclosure. Hazelwood said each of Sanford’s trips needs to be looked at with one question in mind. “Are you being asked to attend this function because you’re governor? If the answer is yes, there needs to be disclosure there,” she said.
Butch Bowers, a Columbia lawyer who advised Sanford during his campaigns, contended if Sanford can show that he believed those trips were provided because of his friendship with the owners of the planes, he didn’t have to disclose them. “That’s inherently subjective, and that subjectivity is necessarily grounded in the person doing the reporting,” Bowers said.”
this is about how the reporting on Rove is being, er…… not reported or front page material.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-conyers/karl-rove-rupert-murdoch_b_264339.html
“When Rupert Murdoch acquired the Journal, substantial concerns were raised about the number of media properties he owned and the right wing bias of his news ventures. Many questioned whether the Wall Street Journal would become just another New York Post or, worse, Fox News.
While the Journal’s editorial page had been conservative for some time, the news division had been largely balanced and thorough. (Indeed, the reporter’s online piece is balanced and thorough.) Many wondered whether Murdoch would put his right wing slant on the news pages as well.
The Journal’s handling of this chapter of the USA scandal seems to bring that question to a head — is it a sign that the editorial staff of the Journal’s news division — or at least its editing — has taken on Murdoch’s right-wing bias?”
I’m bored…..Can someone please tell me WTF this dog is trying to say ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mXIJo8plU
Where did I leave my bone?
C>Rock, I think he is speaking Russian….and if you are bored, you can clean your room.
I don’t know but it just scared the **** out of my cat!
I have an extra bone, Irish!
(are we all bored waiting for akm and shannyn to come home?)
C, Rock. You need to get into the partying mode.
I think so..but we could have a hell of a party before she comes back.
We just got the place clean!!!
If we pick up as we go……..
ok, thought we would have more of a party. I mean…..C’mon yanks.
That should get a reaction!!!
Irish – don’t you go windin’ cosonostrademus up again! You know he doesn’t like anyone yankin’ his chain!
i left and came back..no reaction, Irish. us yanks are party poopers!
(or maybe the party is at the forum?)
boodog, some of us are in chat right now
UK lady, I will be good now.
Somebody needs to be the lookout…If you’re bored C.Rock and don’t mind running back and forth to the window….
LOL you guys are funny you all make my day a lot better.C.Rock see I am from the Midwest also and I always use the hey you guys meaning male or female LOL
Guess I can say it here welcome home AKM and Shannyn,rest up and we will be waiting to hear Shannyn on her show this week if she is home in time.
I want to say more, but I won’t
nite all
How could you all say that you cleaned up when you still have the men in the beer kegs? Shall we dump the kegs in the river? That should wake them up. Hopefully, they know how to swim!
Speaking of cleaning up and men in beer kegs… where the heck has austin been lately? Or was he chaperoning the ladies?
Re: 148 C.Rock,
I’m not clear as to exactly what she is saying, but it sounds remarkably like Sarah Palin. Someone must have said something to upset her. Imagine that!
If you advance in this game, you can throw snowballs at Sarah Palin!
http://www.peta.org/feat/HolidaySnowballFight/index.aspx?c=ecardg1208&gclid=CI-snLTUupwCFQ9JagodJQYSog