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		<title>By: HamletsMill</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/08/25/voices-from-the-flats-oil-lust-dodging-bullets/#comment-125128</link>
		<dc:creator>HamletsMill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlaiuppa Says:
August 25th, 2009 at 7:02 PM

HamletsMill.

It may be 500 years since Columbus and his crew came to the new world, but our new world society hasn’t been here that long. When did we start to be really influential? 1700s maybe? So if we’re at 300-350 don’t we have another 150-200 to go?
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On the 500 year spectrum I&#039;m going more with by Douglas Rushkoff here in the ideas out of the Renaissance where Kings tried to control the merchant class by giving out &quot;Royal Corporate Charters&quot; that eventually has now led to what I now call the totalitarian corporatist state that we are currently living under. It all blew up in a financial thermonuclear detonation on September 15th, 2008. We are still trying to deal with that fact. Watch his little enlightening short movie!

http://www.lifeincorporated.net/

But you are right in that the Bank of England and fractional reserve banking and it&#039;s social structure has only been with us as a system just 250 years.

I was speaking more in the time line of ideas.

The irony is that the politics we are facing right now were the exact politics of 1900! Who shall have the power to create and destroy money?  The government of the people or private banks?  The question was side tracked through two world wars and the cold war and the march of technology. Now it is all back with a vengeance Big time!

I am doing a lot of research. How we got here is absolutely fascinating. It was done with zero transparency. And now everyone is going to learn this history in spades. Stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlaiuppa Says:<br />
August 25th, 2009 at 7:02 PM</p>
<p>HamletsMill.</p>
<p>It may be 500 years since Columbus and his crew came to the new world, but our new world society hasn’t been here that long. When did we start to be really influential? 1700s maybe? So if we’re at 300-350 don’t we have another 150-200 to go?<br />
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<p>On the 500 year spectrum I&#8217;m going more with by Douglas Rushkoff here in the ideas out of the Renaissance where Kings tried to control the merchant class by giving out &#8220;Royal Corporate Charters&#8221; that eventually has now led to what I now call the totalitarian corporatist state that we are currently living under. It all blew up in a financial thermonuclear detonation on September 15th, 2008. We are still trying to deal with that fact. Watch his little enlightening short movie!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lifeincorporated.net/">http://www.lifeincorporated.net/</a></p>
<p>But you are right in that the Bank of England and fractional reserve banking and it&#8217;s social structure has only been with us as a system just 250 years.</p>
<p>I was speaking more in the time line of ideas.</p>
<p>The irony is that the politics we are facing right now were the exact politics of 1900! Who shall have the power to create and destroy money?  The government of the people or private banks?  The question was side tracked through two world wars and the cold war and the march of technology. Now it is all back with a vengeance Big time!</p>
<p>I am doing a lot of research. How we got here is absolutely fascinating. It was done with zero transparency. And now everyone is going to learn this history in spades. Stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: seattlefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>seattlefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Shavelson, thank you for this information.  I read about the Drift River Oil Terminal here (Mudflats) and at other Alaskan blogs after the Mt. Redoubt eruption, but did not know how it all ended.  It seems big corporate oil is holding the reins in Alaska and the government there is beholding and will not step up to protect the environment and the fishing grounds.  Like others stated before me, this is truly a national issue (if not global)  and a light needs to be shown brightly upon it.  

I&#039;m astounded at the apathy that exists on issues like this and global environmental issues in general when it comes to our governments and regulatory agencies.  I guess money speaks louder than truth.

Thanks to people like you and those who keep &quot;beating the drum&quot; these issues will at least be kept alive in the blogs and hopefully make it to the MSM and eventually to our legislatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Shavelson, thank you for this information.  I read about the Drift River Oil Terminal here (Mudflats) and at other Alaskan blogs after the Mt. Redoubt eruption, but did not know how it all ended.  It seems big corporate oil is holding the reins in Alaska and the government there is beholding and will not step up to protect the environment and the fishing grounds.  Like others stated before me, this is truly a national issue (if not global)  and a light needs to be shown brightly upon it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m astounded at the apathy that exists on issues like this and global environmental issues in general when it comes to our governments and regulatory agencies.  I guess money speaks louder than truth.</p>
<p>Thanks to people like you and those who keep &#8220;beating the drum&#8221; these issues will at least be kept alive in the blogs and hopefully make it to the MSM and eventually to our legislatures.</p>
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		<title>By: mlaiuppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlaiuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aoue. I believe there is some sailor&#039;s superstition about renaming ships. If you don&#039;t do it exactly right it&#039;s supposed to be really bad luck. I wonder if that&#039;s why the ship is having such.....problems.

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Now isn&#039;t there oil still at Mt. Redoubt? I seem to remember something about the tanks constructed on the cheap so the outlet is on the side rather than the bottom. And as such, the last bit of oil on the bottom can&#039;t drain. You&#039;d have to pump water in to get the oil to rise and drain. You&#039;d have to do it over and over, like rinsing out a really badly designed bottle. So...isn&#039;t there oil still there? Maybe not enough for Chevron to care about but I&#039;ll bet plenty to pollute the inlet as badly as the Exxon Valdez. Is anything being done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aoue. I believe there is some sailor&#8217;s superstition about renaming ships. If you don&#8217;t do it exactly right it&#8217;s supposed to be really bad luck. I wonder if that&#8217;s why the ship is having such&#8230;..problems.</p>
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<p>Now isn&#8217;t there oil still at Mt. Redoubt? I seem to remember something about the tanks constructed on the cheap so the outlet is on the side rather than the bottom. And as such, the last bit of oil on the bottom can&#8217;t drain. You&#8217;d have to pump water in to get the oil to rise and drain. You&#8217;d have to do it over and over, like rinsing out a really badly designed bottle. So&#8230;isn&#8217;t there oil still there? Maybe not enough for Chevron to care about but I&#8217;ll bet plenty to pollute the inlet as badly as the Exxon Valdez. Is anything being done?</p>
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		<title>By: mlaiuppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlaiuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HamletsMill.

It may be 500 years since Columbus and his crew came to the new world, but our new world society hasn&#039;t been here that long. When did we start to be really influential? 1700s maybe? So if we&#039;re at 300-350 don&#039;t we have another 150-200 to go?

I do not dispute the NOW part of doing something. We need to do so much NOW.

I do dispute the Mayan end of the world in 2012 and the Xtians bringing on the &quot;rapture&quot;. 

In the meantime I&#039;m cutting out High Fructose corns syrup and buying cage free eggs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HamletsMill.</p>
<p>It may be 500 years since Columbus and his crew came to the new world, but our new world society hasn&#8217;t been here that long. When did we start to be really influential? 1700s maybe? So if we&#8217;re at 300-350 don&#8217;t we have another 150-200 to go?</p>
<p>I do not dispute the NOW part of doing something. We need to do so much NOW.</p>
<p>I do dispute the Mayan end of the world in 2012 and the Xtians bringing on the &#8220;rapture&#8221;. </p>
<p>In the meantime I&#8217;m cutting out High Fructose corns syrup and buying cage free eggs.</p>
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		<title>By: aoeu</title>
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		<dc:creator>aoeu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From teh wiki.

The Exxon Valdiz has been renamed four times and sold twice. It is still in service as an &#039;ore-carrier.&#039;

Have a good day.

Peace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From teh wiki.</p>
<p>The Exxon Valdiz has been renamed four times and sold twice. It is still in service as an &#8216;ore-carrier.&#8217;</p>
<p>Have a good day.</p>
<p>Peace?</p>
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		<title>By: boodog</title>
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		<dc:creator>boodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlaiuppa, I believe the salmon only travel through the inlet from the ocean to the stream it came from to spawn. the farm raised, depending on the farm, are kept captive sometimes in recycled water all their lives. Some farms are trying to do better but you are still better off with wild. And it benefits the natives who catch to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlaiuppa, I believe the salmon only travel through the inlet from the ocean to the stream it came from to spawn. the farm raised, depending on the farm, are kept captive sometimes in recycled water all their lives. Some farms are trying to do better but you are still better off with wild. And it benefits the natives who catch to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: mlaiuppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlaiuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mad cow? Gee, I hope the stuff I ate from the Canadian fish farm was OK. But if I do get mad cow, it will probably be from the contaminated beef sold to the school system that wasn&#039;t reported until months after I ate it. 

The Canadian Farm raised salmon I bought was from Windmill Farms, a supposedly healthy organic type store. One would hope the salmon was OK. It was not artificially colored.

Thanks for that salmon buying guide. I&#039;m going to book mark it and pass it on.

It&#039;s nice to know the salmon isn&#039;t staying long enough in Cook Inlet to become polluted. But I&#039;m still not thrilled with the inlet being used as a toxic dump sewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad cow? Gee, I hope the stuff I ate from the Canadian fish farm was OK. But if I do get mad cow, it will probably be from the contaminated beef sold to the school system that wasn&#8217;t reported until months after I ate it. </p>
<p>The Canadian Farm raised salmon I bought was from Windmill Farms, a supposedly healthy organic type store. One would hope the salmon was OK. It was not artificially colored.</p>
<p>Thanks for that salmon buying guide. I&#8217;m going to book mark it and pass it on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to know the salmon isn&#8217;t staying long enough in Cook Inlet to become polluted. But I&#8217;m still not thrilled with the inlet being used as a toxic dump sewer.</p>
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		<title>By: boodog</title>
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		<dc:creator>boodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks yet again, Hamlettsmill, I am amazed at how much info is out there. I think we&#039;ve seen what people can do when amassed in a cause; with work, comes hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks yet again, Hamlettsmill, I am amazed at how much info is out there. I think we&#8217;ve seen what people can do when amassed in a cause; with work, comes hope!</p>
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		<title>By: HamletsMill</title>
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		<dc:creator>HamletsMill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>boodog Says:
August 25th, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Thank you Hamlettsmill, you are a walking, talking directory of info! In the ‘olden’ days I was very active in the environmental issues of the day. I’ll go read up at the site you provided and see what trouble I can get into…!
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Thanks boodog!

I forget to give the SEJ &lt;b&gt;&quot;TIP SHEET&quot;&lt;/b&gt; link.

http://www.sej.org/publications/tipsheet/overview

This is a good place to check every now and then to see what is going in. With the growing collapse of print media, environmental issues are NOT being covered as well as they should at the LOCAL level. This is the public &quot;tip sheet&quot; for other journalists but individual citizens and bloggers should also be clued in to this on-line information tool that SEJ has developed.

This country is in very, very big trouble. We are at the 500 year &quot;end of the road&quot; as a society since Columbus stumbled into the immense resources of the &quot;Undiscovered Continent.&quot; This is it. This is the real thing. Our entire economic system has come to the the end of the road and time is running out very fast. We have one more generation left to get educated and think it all out. People have to come through now with the incredible tool of the Internet! As they used to say in the paratroopers &quot;Stand up, hook up.&quot; This is it.  There is no more time. A TOTAL RE-THINK of EVERYTHING is now required. NOW.

&lt;b&gt;CRASH COURSE IN ECONOMICS 101 - 21 VIDEOS (4 HOURS)&lt;/b&gt;
.h t t p: // www. chrismartenson. com/crashcourse

&lt;b&gt;ELLEN BROWN EXPLAINS THE LAST 350 YEARS - 5 VIDEOS&lt;/b&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0XiklHPMc
.h t t p : // www. webofdebt.com/
.h t t p : // webofdebt. wordpress.com/

&lt;b&gt;DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF EXPLAINS THE LAST 500 YEARS - 1 VIDEO&lt;/b&gt;
Life Incorporated: How The World Became A Corporation, And How To Take It Back.
by Douglas Rushkoff
.h t t p: // lifeincorporated.net/

&lt;b&gt;STUDY THE HISTORY OF THE 300 YEAR OLD FRACTIONAL RESERVE BRITISH BANKING SYSTEM MODEL THAT STILL RULES US TODAY - 5 VIDEOS&lt;/b&gt;
.h t t p: // www. youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boodog Says:<br />
August 25th, 2009 at 3:47 PM</p>
<p>Thank you Hamlettsmill, you are a walking, talking directory of info! In the ‘olden’ days I was very active in the environmental issues of the day. I’ll go read up at the site you provided and see what trouble I can get into…!<br />
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<p>Thanks boodog!</p>
<p>I forget to give the SEJ <b>&#8220;TIP SHEET&#8221;</b> link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sej.org/publications/tipsheet/overview">http://www.sej.org/publications/tipsheet/overview</a></p>
<p>This is a good place to check every now and then to see what is going in. With the growing collapse of print media, environmental issues are NOT being covered as well as they should at the LOCAL level. This is the public &#8220;tip sheet&#8221; for other journalists but individual citizens and bloggers should also be clued in to this on-line information tool that SEJ has developed.</p>
<p>This country is in very, very big trouble. We are at the 500 year &#8220;end of the road&#8221; as a society since Columbus stumbled into the immense resources of the &#8220;Undiscovered Continent.&#8221; This is it. This is the real thing. Our entire economic system has come to the the end of the road and time is running out very fast. We have one more generation left to get educated and think it all out. People have to come through now with the incredible tool of the Internet! As they used to say in the paratroopers &#8220;Stand up, hook up.&#8221; This is it.  There is no more time. A TOTAL RE-THINK of EVERYTHING is now required. NOW.</p>
<p><b>CRASH COURSE IN ECONOMICS 101 &#8211; 21 VIDEOS (4 HOURS)</b><br />
.h t t p: // www. chrismartenson. com/crashcourse</p>
<p><b>ELLEN BROWN EXPLAINS THE LAST 350 YEARS &#8211; 5 VIDEOS</b><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0XiklHPMc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0XiklHPMc</a><br />
.h t t p : // www. webofdebt.com/<br />
.h t t p : // webofdebt. wordpress.com/</p>
<p><b>DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF EXPLAINS THE LAST 500 YEARS &#8211; 1 VIDEO</b><br />
Life Incorporated: How The World Became A Corporation, And How To Take It Back.<br />
by Douglas Rushkoff<br />
.h t t p: // lifeincorporated.net/</p>
<p><b>STUDY THE HISTORY OF THE 300 YEAR OLD FRACTIONAL RESERVE BRITISH BANKING SYSTEM MODEL THAT STILL RULES US TODAY &#8211; 5 VIDEOS</b><br />
.h t t p: // www. youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8</p>
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		<title>By: DuckDriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>DuckDriver</dc:creator>
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		<description>When I sadly read of such short sighted thinking by greedy corporations, I 
must conclude that we are a doomed species.

If we went to Chevron CEO David O’Reilly’s home and wanted to dump
toxic waste into his swimming pool, do you think he would object?  If so
why would he allow Chevron to dump toxic waste into Cook Inlet?  It is 
exactly the same thing just on a much larger scale.

We must demand responsible behavior from corporations!

Those that do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it...

DD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I sadly read of such short sighted thinking by greedy corporations, I<br />
must conclude that we are a doomed species.</p>
<p>If we went to Chevron CEO David O’Reilly’s home and wanted to dump<br />
toxic waste into his swimming pool, do you think he would object?  If so<br />
why would he allow Chevron to dump toxic waste into Cook Inlet?  It is<br />
exactly the same thing just on a much larger scale.</p>
<p>We must demand responsible behavior from corporations!</p>
<p>Those that do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it&#8230;</p>
<p>DD</p>
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