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		<title>By: J.S. Garrison</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/17/happy-constitution-day/#comment-133154</link>
		<dc:creator>J.S. Garrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, your embellishment:  &quot;the government furthers the cause of promoting good health&quot; stepped over  the OTHER words that welfare stands for:  &quot;happiness, and good fortune; well-being&quot;. 

Happiness can fall on either side of the argument.

Good fortune never occurs when government demands money from it&#039;s constituency.
(The bill includes possible provisions for making paying for Health Insurance MANDATORY, including a fine when people don&#039;t or can&#039;t pay).

Well being is always a manifestation of peace of mind. 
That&#039;s not what forcing people (barely scraping by) to pay yet another bill brings. 

Well being is best served by minimal intrusion in the lives of private citizenry by any kind of government. Government is the de facto model of waste and smothering layers of beaurocracy.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Well...  I guess if you&#039;re happy that people go without healthcare, and 45,000 of them die every year because they have none, and that&#039;s not counting the people who die because they are denied coverage by their insurance company... then, yeah.    

And if you mean by &quot;health&quot; (the first word in the definition), something other than health.

And if by &quot;government intrusion&quot; you mean giving people the CHOICE of sticking with what they have now, or choosing a more affordable option...

And if tens of millions of Americans suffering is &quot;good fortune&quot;, then I guess you got me.  Presuming most people feel as you do.

And if you&#039;re talking about the Baucus Bill, it&#039;s horrendous.  Does nothing but line the pockets of the insurance companies, and Max Baucus needs to be run out on a rail.  We need a good, affordable, health care public option for everyone.  Not a vehicle to get Baucus and his ilk campaign contributions.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, your embellishment:  &#8220;the government furthers the cause of promoting good health&#8221; stepped over  the OTHER words that welfare stands for:  &#8220;happiness, and good fortune; well-being&#8221;. </p>
<p>Happiness can fall on either side of the argument.</p>
<p>Good fortune never occurs when government demands money from it&#8217;s constituency.<br />
(The bill includes possible provisions for making paying for Health Insurance MANDATORY, including a fine when people don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t pay).</p>
<p>Well being is always a manifestation of peace of mind.<br />
That&#8217;s not what forcing people (barely scraping by) to pay yet another bill brings. </p>
<p>Well being is best served by minimal intrusion in the lives of private citizenry by any kind of government. Government is the de facto model of waste and smothering layers of beaurocracy.</p>
<p><strong><em>Well&#8230;  I guess if you&#8217;re happy that people go without healthcare, and 45,000 of them die every year because they have none, and that&#8217;s not counting the people who die because they are denied coverage by their insurance company&#8230; then, yeah.    </p>
<p>And if you mean by &#8220;health&#8221; (the first word in the definition), something other than health.</p>
<p>And if by &#8220;government intrusion&#8221; you mean giving people the CHOICE of sticking with what they have now, or choosing a more affordable option&#8230;</p>
<p>And if tens of millions of Americans suffering is &#8220;good fortune&#8221;, then I guess you got me.  Presuming most people feel as you do.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re talking about the Baucus Bill, it&#8217;s horrendous.  Does nothing but line the pockets of the insurance companies, and Max Baucus needs to be run out on a rail.  We need a good, affordable, health care public option for everyone.  Not a vehicle to get Baucus and his ilk campaign contributions.</p>
<p>AKM</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Keating</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/17/happy-constitution-day/#comment-133072</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an article I wrote to the editor few months ago that fits. 

The U.S. constitutional framers Supported and condoned socialism. The first socialist experiment in history was the development of the U.S. Post office. Article #1Section #8 Paragraph #7 of the constitution created a government Run socialistic stamp creation and mail delivery system. Our founders, In their wisdom knew that some things could only be accomplished by government intervention. Proof that if Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams And other founders were alive today they would be in favor Of removing the greedy hands of the middle man (insurance companies)  from financially bleeding our citizens ; they would support a single payer system; telling the insurance companies and their Lackey conservative shills that The constitution was created for common defense and General welfare of the American people. That health is a necessary ingredient of our general welfare! Article #1 Section #8 Paragraph #11. Gives congress the right to tax for two reasons: common defense and general Welfare; not to promote preemptive warfare or Boss-Tweed Insurance trusts. The Lemming health care protestors, with their twitching noses, And rat whiskers, are ready to jump on any band wagon of the Talk radio rabble- rousers; lackeys of special interests; simpletons who go off In delirious rage against any Democratic proposal; crying “call the police there is a BLACK MAN in the WHITE HOUSE“! Claiming, in their Simple- Simon mentality, that Obama wants  to appoint Dr. Kavorchian  surgeon general and put collection boxes outside hospitals so you can drop of granny when she gets too infirmed or wets the bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an article I wrote to the editor few months ago that fits. </p>
<p>The U.S. constitutional framers Supported and condoned socialism. The first socialist experiment in history was the development of the U.S. Post office. Article #1Section #8 Paragraph #7 of the constitution created a government Run socialistic stamp creation and mail delivery system. Our founders, In their wisdom knew that some things could only be accomplished by government intervention. Proof that if Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams And other founders were alive today they would be in favor Of removing the greedy hands of the middle man (insurance companies)  from financially bleeding our citizens ; they would support a single payer system; telling the insurance companies and their Lackey conservative shills that The constitution was created for common defense and General welfare of the American people. That health is a necessary ingredient of our general welfare! Article #1 Section #8 Paragraph #11. Gives congress the right to tax for two reasons: common defense and general Welfare; not to promote preemptive warfare or Boss-Tweed Insurance trusts. The Lemming health care protestors, with their twitching noses, And rat whiskers, are ready to jump on any band wagon of the Talk radio rabble- rousers; lackeys of special interests; simpletons who go off In delirious rage against any Democratic proposal; crying “call the police there is a BLACK MAN in the WHITE HOUSE“! Claiming, in their Simple- Simon mentality, that Obama wants  to appoint Dr. Kavorchian  surgeon general and put collection boxes outside hospitals so you can drop of granny when she gets too infirmed or wets the bed.</p>
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		<title>By: peter d</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/17/happy-constitution-day/#comment-133032</link>
		<dc:creator>peter d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AKM

It is not only obvious, It is a fact, the courts have upheld your interoperation of the Preamble.  So there is no question as to what is being said.  But the never ending black is white rationalization of the Rush  Limbaughs of this country is not for a proper plan.  Its for no plan at all. It’s a shame that the moral thinking  of to many of our leaders has moved so far from 1788.  We will get a Bill, I hope it has some meat in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKM</p>
<p>It is not only obvious, It is a fact, the courts have upheld your interoperation of the Preamble.  So there is no question as to what is being said.  But the never ending black is white rationalization of the Rush  Limbaughs of this country is not for a proper plan.  Its for no plan at all. It’s a shame that the moral thinking  of to many of our leaders has moved so far from 1788.  We will get a Bill, I hope it has some meat in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/17/happy-constitution-day/#comment-133001</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go over to the comments on my post about this you will find the Republican answer.

http://mizbee.net/Patchwork/Sept/Sept18_09.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go over to the comments on my post about this you will find the Republican answer.</p>
<p><a href="http://mizbee.net/Patchwork/Sept/Sept18_09.htm">http://mizbee.net/Patchwork/Sept/Sept18_09.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gasman</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/17/happy-constitution-day/#comment-132992</link>
		<dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look closely at that copy of the Constitution, you can still faintly see Dick Cheney&#039;s footprints.  And the bleating sheeple choir is imbecilic enough to cry that they &quot;want our rights back!&quot; regarding Obama&#039;s short time in office and they didn&#039;t say &quot;boo&quot; during the reign of President Cheney/Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look closely at that copy of the Constitution, you can still faintly see Dick Cheney&#8217;s footprints.  And the bleating sheeple choir is imbecilic enough to cry that they &#8220;want our rights back!&#8221; regarding Obama&#8217;s short time in office and they didn&#8217;t say &#8220;boo&#8221; during the reign of President Cheney/Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: ~ Sil in Corea</title>
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		<dc:creator>~ Sil in Corea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on the head!  Those are the words so many of these people can&#039;t seem to &quot;get their heads around.&quot;  I live in a country that isn&#039;t the greatest democracy in the world; in fact, it&#039;s pretty much controlled by big business.  But we have national health insurance and it works very well.  Seven percent of everyone&#039;s salary goes for health insurance, and we have reasonable co-pays of less than $10 to see a doctor (even a specialist) and half that for a normal prescription, i.e. a week&#039;s worth of meds.  The hospitals are spotless, the medical teams are top-notch, and the tests are reasonably priced.  If South Korea can do it, so can America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on the head!  Those are the words so many of these people can&#8217;t seem to &#8220;get their heads around.&#8221;  I live in a country that isn&#8217;t the greatest democracy in the world; in fact, it&#8217;s pretty much controlled by big business.  But we have national health insurance and it works very well.  Seven percent of everyone&#8217;s salary goes for health insurance, and we have reasonable co-pays of less than $10 to see a doctor (even a specialist) and half that for a normal prescription, i.e. a week&#8217;s worth of meds.  The hospitals are spotless, the medical teams are top-notch, and the tests are reasonably priced.  If South Korea can do it, so can America.</p>
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		<title>By: judi</title>
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		<dc:creator>judi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been living in Venezuela for the past two plus years and enjoying the benefits of a government truly organized to &quot;Promote the General Welfare&quot;.

The Venezuelan Constitution of 1999, drafted under the President Hugo Chavez government, puts the welfare of human beings, not corporations, at the center of its focus.  Adequate medical care, education, housing, nutrition and jobs are all now constitutional rights in Venezuela.

To implement these constitutional provisions, the Chavez govenment has opened thousands of free medical, dental and eye clinics throughout the country, along with subsidized food markets and restaurants, low or interest free mortgages are provided, and there are many free job training programs. All public education -- to the doctoral level -- is free, and students&#039; living expenses are subsidized while attending school.

Government programs to eradicate illiteracy have been widely sucessful.  This includes political literacy.  When the government was preparing for the national referenda to approve the new Constitution, it published all the proposed sections of the Constitution on the shopping bags that were given out in all the markets.  Thus, everyone had access to the precise words of the new Constitution.

Contrast this with the appalling fact that 40 million Americans can&#039;t read and write, while 40 million more can&#039;t understand what they read.  We have approximately 80 million uneducated Americans, almost 3 times the population of a country the size of Venezuela&#039;s 29 million.

The Republican campaign against funding public education is designed to keep Americans dumbed down so they will do what they are told by the big corporations.  The Republicans are succeeding.  Eighty million is a lot of ignorant people.  

Thanks AKM for educating us all on a key principal of our constitutional drafters. The purpose of government is to promote the general welfare, not to  increase the profits of private corporations.  Thus, Medicare for All would be as constitutionally legal and it is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been living in Venezuela for the past two plus years and enjoying the benefits of a government truly organized to &#8220;Promote the General Welfare&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Venezuelan Constitution of 1999, drafted under the President Hugo Chavez government, puts the welfare of human beings, not corporations, at the center of its focus.  Adequate medical care, education, housing, nutrition and jobs are all now constitutional rights in Venezuela.</p>
<p>To implement these constitutional provisions, the Chavez govenment has opened thousands of free medical, dental and eye clinics throughout the country, along with subsidized food markets and restaurants, low or interest free mortgages are provided, and there are many free job training programs. All public education &#8212; to the doctoral level &#8212; is free, and students&#8217; living expenses are subsidized while attending school.</p>
<p>Government programs to eradicate illiteracy have been widely sucessful.  This includes political literacy.  When the government was preparing for the national referenda to approve the new Constitution, it published all the proposed sections of the Constitution on the shopping bags that were given out in all the markets.  Thus, everyone had access to the precise words of the new Constitution.</p>
<p>Contrast this with the appalling fact that 40 million Americans can&#8217;t read and write, while 40 million more can&#8217;t understand what they read.  We have approximately 80 million uneducated Americans, almost 3 times the population of a country the size of Venezuela&#8217;s 29 million.</p>
<p>The Republican campaign against funding public education is designed to keep Americans dumbed down so they will do what they are told by the big corporations.  The Republicans are succeeding.  Eighty million is a lot of ignorant people.  </p>
<p>Thanks AKM for educating us all on a key principal of our constitutional drafters. The purpose of government is to promote the general welfare, not to  increase the profits of private corporations.  Thus, Medicare for All would be as constitutionally legal and it is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gramiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gramiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@39 Gramiam — actually, that is an amazing quote, because anytime in TJ’s life there could not have been more than a half dozen written constitutions in the world.
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There may have been few constitutions in that age, strangelet, but Thomas Jefferson devoted his entire life to study, debate and writing about them.The link below is a fascinating look at the body if his writing. The quote I presented is from 1816. There are many more. Jefferson and the other men who framed the Constitution came together at a pivotal time in history and the living, breathing framework they designed has never been equaled.

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/

Finally here is my favorite Quotation from Thomas Jefferson. I was taught this in school many years ago and never forgot it. Sadly, I&#039;ll bet that most children in today&#039;s schools never see this.

&quot;I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every
form of tyranny over the mind of man.&quot; --Thomas Jefferson*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@39 Gramiam — actually, that is an amazing quote, because anytime in TJ’s life there could not have been more than a half dozen written constitutions in the world.<br />
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There may have been few constitutions in that age, strangelet, but Thomas Jefferson devoted his entire life to study, debate and writing about them.The link below is a fascinating look at the body if his writing. The quote I presented is from 1816. There are many more. Jefferson and the other men who framed the Constitution came together at a pivotal time in history and the living, breathing framework they designed has never been equaled.</p>
<p><a href="http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/">http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/</a></p>
<p>Finally here is my favorite Quotation from Thomas Jefferson. I was taught this in school many years ago and never forgot it. Sadly, I&#8217;ll bet that most children in today&#8217;s schools never see this.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every<br />
form of tyranny over the mind of man.&#8221; &#8211;Thomas Jefferson*</p>
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		<title>By: Lee323</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee323</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, AKM.

Now if we can only hammer the concept of &quot;domestic tranquility&quot; into the townhallers, birthers, tenthers, liberty tree waterers, paranoid socialism-fascism-communism-Nazi watchers, skin heads, KKK, ad nauseam.

Domestic tranquility.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, AKM.</p>
<p>Now if we can only hammer the concept of &#8220;domestic tranquility&#8221; into the townhallers, birthers, tenthers, liberty tree waterers, paranoid socialism-fascism-communism-Nazi watchers, skin heads, KKK, ad nauseam.</p>
<p>Domestic tranquility&#8230;..</p>
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