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		<title>By: VernD</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/19/values-voters-speak/#comment-133743</link>
		<dc:creator>VernD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YEOWWW... the link to &quot;Jesus Camp&quot;  post 9, gave me the heebie Jeebies. I could NOT watch the whole thing.  Perhaps that sort of camp is a plot by an association of therapists to ensure  a good supply  of future clients??!!
har har arrrrgh..... I missed pirate&#039;s day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YEOWWW&#8230; the link to &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221;  post 9, gave me the heebie Jeebies. I could NOT watch the whole thing.  Perhaps that sort of camp is a plot by an association of therapists to ensure  a good supply  of future clients??!!<br />
har har arrrrgh&#8230;.. I missed pirate&#8217;s day.</p>
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		<title>By: IsyFleur</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/09/19/values-voters-speak/#comment-133735</link>
		<dc:creator>IsyFleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter was recently asked, as a 9th grade English assignment, to analyse an excerpt from Genesis as a literary work. The excerpt was one one of the many examples of creation myths featured in their textbook. 

The parents of one of the students is actually suing our school district over it! They never did bother, mind you, to send the teacher a polite email asking their daughter be assigned a different essay theme due to religious beliefs, which I am quite sure the teacher would have gladly done.

So when the Religious Right talks about &quot;taking back this country in 2012&quot;, they actually mean taking the USA back to the Middle Ages where it never belonged, having been born out of the Age of Enlightenment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter was recently asked, as a 9th grade English assignment, to analyse an excerpt from Genesis as a literary work. The excerpt was one one of the many examples of creation myths featured in their textbook. </p>
<p>The parents of one of the students is actually suing our school district over it! They never did bother, mind you, to send the teacher a polite email asking their daughter be assigned a different essay theme due to religious beliefs, which I am quite sure the teacher would have gladly done.</p>
<p>So when the Religious Right talks about &#8220;taking back this country in 2012&#8243;, they actually mean taking the USA back to the Middle Ages where it never belonged, having been born out of the Age of Enlightenment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee323</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee323</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10 BigPete Says: 
September 19th, 2009 at 6:47 PM 
The new masculinity 

Don’t much care for it, myself.

Sanford, Beck, and Ensign would do us all a favor if they stopped sobbing-like degenerate pansies- at every conceivable opportunity.
Gingrich, Rove, and Limbaugh might consider a gym membership.
Graham and Lieberman should stop pretending to be warriors.
McConnell and Cantor? Born girlie men-not much hope for them! (They should at least try to limit their public appearances).
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Hahahaha..... &quot;sobbing like degenerate pansies at every conceivable opportunity.&quot; 
&quot;The New Masculinity&quot; is now....&quot;The New Emasculated Ninnies.&quot;

Don&#039;t get me wrong. Men can cry and still be masculine but when it&#039;s driven by hypocrisy as in those three nincompoops, it&#039;s a little hard to take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 BigPete Says:<br />
September 19th, 2009 at 6:47 PM<br />
The new masculinity </p>
<p>Don’t much care for it, myself.</p>
<p>Sanford, Beck, and Ensign would do us all a favor if they stopped sobbing-like degenerate pansies- at every conceivable opportunity.<br />
Gingrich, Rove, and Limbaugh might consider a gym membership.<br />
Graham and Lieberman should stop pretending to be warriors.<br />
McConnell and Cantor? Born girlie men-not much hope for them! (They should at least try to limit their public appearances).<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Hahahaha&#8230;.. &#8220;sobbing like degenerate pansies at every conceivable opportunity.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The New Masculinity&#8221; is now&#8230;.&#8221;The New Emasculated Ninnies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. Men can cry and still be masculine but when it&#8217;s driven by hypocrisy as in those three nincompoops, it&#8217;s a little hard to take.</p>
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		<title>By: the problem child</title>
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		<dc:creator>the problem child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bystander Says:
September 20th, 2009 at 6:58 AM 

&quot;What amazed me is how these morons actually found their way to DC, which involves reading a map, buying a bus or plane ticket, actions that require an IQ over say 40, which was a rarity on teabagger day.&quot;

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Just imagine how few there would have been had so many not been bussed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bystander Says:<br />
September 20th, 2009 at 6:58 AM </p>
<p>&#8220;What amazed me is how these morons actually found their way to DC, which involves reading a map, buying a bus or plane ticket, actions that require an IQ over say 40, which was a rarity on teabagger day.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Just imagine how few there would have been had so many not been bussed in.</p>
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		<title>By: The Yellow Porcupine</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Yellow Porcupine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Values?  They don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; values!!  Just hate in the name of Jesus and white people - because Jesus was white, dontcha know - you betcha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Values?  They don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; values!!  Just hate in the name of Jesus and white people &#8211; because Jesus was white, dontcha know &#8211; you betcha!</p>
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		<title>By: Mag the Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mag the Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember Canadian author Margaret Atwood&#039;s novel &quot;The Handmaid&#039;s Tale&quot; from about 25 years ago?  This very frightening story of a near-future dystopia sounds like just the kind of world the Values Voters want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember Canadian author Margaret Atwood&#8217;s novel &#8220;The Handmaid&#8217;s Tale&#8221; from about 25 years ago?  This very frightening story of a near-future dystopia sounds like just the kind of world the Values Voters want.</p>
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		<title>By: Bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the attention this little hatefest gets,  it had 2000 paid attendees- about the same as a small high school football game.  There were about 60,000 tea baggers last weekend, about the same as the average Division One college football game  (much smaller than say, Michigan)

Overall, these idiots represent a very small percentage of the population outside of the South, maybe 5%.  Since they are incapable of reason, we just simply need to ignore them and move forward.  

On Frozen Alaska, there is a hilarious ten minute video of the clueless idiots at the Fox News 9/12 rally, none of whom had any idea what they were talking about.

What amazed me is how these morons actually found their way to DC, which involves reading a map, buying a bus or plane  ticket,  actions that require an IQ over say 40, which was a rarity on teabagger day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the attention this little hatefest gets,  it had 2000 paid attendees- about the same as a small high school football game.  There were about 60,000 tea baggers last weekend, about the same as the average Division One college football game  (much smaller than say, Michigan)</p>
<p>Overall, these idiots represent a very small percentage of the population outside of the South, maybe 5%.  Since they are incapable of reason, we just simply need to ignore them and move forward.  </p>
<p>On Frozen Alaska, there is a hilarious ten minute video of the clueless idiots at the Fox News 9/12 rally, none of whom had any idea what they were talking about.</p>
<p>What amazed me is how these morons actually found their way to DC, which involves reading a map, buying a bus or plane  ticket,  actions that require an IQ over say 40, which was a rarity on teabagger day.</p>
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		<title>By: NY Dem</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Dem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a surprise ! Sarah Palin cancelled a scheduled appearance at an event - first time that&#039;s EVER happened, right ??

What WERE the odds........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a surprise ! Sarah Palin cancelled a scheduled appearance at an event &#8211; first time that&#8217;s EVER happened, right ??</p>
<p>What WERE the odds&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: psminidivapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>psminidivapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WakeUpAmerica-
I feel your pain re: &quot;homsexual agenda.&quot; As a teacher, by the time i prepare kids for testing, make sure they have breakfast/lunch, prevent bullying, differentiate instruction, write reports to probation officer/therapist/child welfare/gifted coordinator, say no to drugs, encourage girls in math/science, advocate for arts education, put lesson plans/announcements/grades online, and reply to helicopter parent emails (&quot;Johnny is feeling a bit stressed today, please try to give him some encouragement throughout the day and don&#039;t expect much of him. My cell # is  ---- if you need to reach me, but I&#039;ll email you again in an hour just to see if he&#039;s perked up. He was up late playing his X-Box and just didn&#039;t feel like school was for him....yadayada), I have NO TIME for the homosexual agenda.

This reminds me of a few years ago, when PA attempted to institute &quot;Outcomes Based Education,&quot; and the rightwingvaluevotersevengelicalchristian &quot;militia&quot; heard from some preacher, in a video that was distributed to the churches, that Outcomes Education was a &quot;plot&quot; by the Communist/Homosexual teachers to promote an agenda. In their interpretation, teaching critical thinking skills was a way to have kids question their parents and their values, science education that mentioned unsustainable resources was a way of encouraging single sex marriage, birth control and abortion (apparently, they hadn&#039;t thought of death panels, or that would&#039;ve been there, too also), and teaching &quot;women&#039;s studies&quot; was a way to devalue the family and teach against the Bible. (There was also some nonsense about 35 MPH speed signs being a &quot;secret code&quot; for the NATO Army to take over, once the Communist/homosexual teachers fully brainwashed the kids, but we won&#039;t even go there) Anyway, there was such a bruh-ha-ha, that the Dept. of Ed. was &quot;forced&quot; to rename the &quot;Outcomes&quot; to &quot;Standards&quot; (honestly, had basically the same goals just different title) and quicker that you can say &quot;Emily Litella,&quot; (sp?) the VVs said &quot;Never mind.&quot;

Ok enough, going back to seeing how I can insinuate couture, fabulous decorating, the Golden Girls and Judy Garland into my homosexual agenda lesson plans. Shhhhhh, don&#039;t let on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WakeUpAmerica-<br />
I feel your pain re: &#8220;homsexual agenda.&#8221; As a teacher, by the time i prepare kids for testing, make sure they have breakfast/lunch, prevent bullying, differentiate instruction, write reports to probation officer/therapist/child welfare/gifted coordinator, say no to drugs, encourage girls in math/science, advocate for arts education, put lesson plans/announcements/grades online, and reply to helicopter parent emails (&#8220;Johnny is feeling a bit stressed today, please try to give him some encouragement throughout the day and don&#8217;t expect much of him. My cell # is  &#8212;- if you need to reach me, but I&#8217;ll email you again in an hour just to see if he&#8217;s perked up. He was up late playing his X-Box and just didn&#8217;t feel like school was for him&#8230;.yadayada), I have NO TIME for the homosexual agenda.</p>
<p>This reminds me of a few years ago, when PA attempted to institute &#8220;Outcomes Based Education,&#8221; and the rightwingvaluevotersevengelicalchristian &#8220;militia&#8221; heard from some preacher, in a video that was distributed to the churches, that Outcomes Education was a &#8220;plot&#8221; by the Communist/Homosexual teachers to promote an agenda. In their interpretation, teaching critical thinking skills was a way to have kids question their parents and their values, science education that mentioned unsustainable resources was a way of encouraging single sex marriage, birth control and abortion (apparently, they hadn&#8217;t thought of death panels, or that would&#8217;ve been there, too also), and teaching &#8220;women&#8217;s studies&#8221; was a way to devalue the family and teach against the Bible. (There was also some nonsense about 35 MPH speed signs being a &#8220;secret code&#8221; for the NATO Army to take over, once the Communist/homosexual teachers fully brainwashed the kids, but we won&#8217;t even go there) Anyway, there was such a bruh-ha-ha, that the Dept. of Ed. was &#8220;forced&#8221; to rename the &#8220;Outcomes&#8221; to &#8220;Standards&#8221; (honestly, had basically the same goals just different title) and quicker that you can say &#8220;Emily Litella,&#8221; (sp?) the VVs said &#8220;Never mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok enough, going back to seeing how I can insinuate couture, fabulous decorating, the Golden Girls and Judy Garland into my homosexual agenda lesson plans. Shhhhhh, don&#8217;t let on.</p>
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		<title>By: ChiCat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Pat in WA, while I agree with your overall sentiment about Values Voters, I think that they are using a different connotation than you or I would, rather than a completely wrong definition.  

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/value
Note definitions 10 &amp;11:

&quot;10. values, Sociology. the ideals, customs, institutions, etc., of a society toward which the people of the group have an affective regard. These values may be positive, as cleanliness, freedom, or education, &lt;b&gt;or negative, as cruelty, crime, or blasphemy.&lt;/b&gt;
11. 	Ethics. any object or quality desirable as a means or as an end in itself.&quot; (emphasis mine)

See, their values are negative, while ours are positive, and their means and ends are to deny civil rights to people who do not think/worship just like them.

In their twisted world view, I&#039;m intolerant because I would stop them from interfering in the personal contract between two consenting adults, but they are not intolerant because &quot;their God&quot; said so in some book (but let&#039;s not acknowledge the other stuff about shellfish, pork and loving your neighbors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Pat in WA, while I agree with your overall sentiment about Values Voters, I think that they are using a different connotation than you or I would, rather than a completely wrong definition.  </p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/value">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/value</a><br />
Note definitions 10 &amp;11:</p>
<p>&#8220;10. values, Sociology. the ideals, customs, institutions, etc., of a society toward which the people of the group have an affective regard. These values may be positive, as cleanliness, freedom, or education, <b>or negative, as cruelty, crime, or blasphemy.</b><br />
11. 	Ethics. any object or quality desirable as a means or as an end in itself.&#8221; (emphasis mine)</p>
<p>See, their values are negative, while ours are positive, and their means and ends are to deny civil rights to people who do not think/worship just like them.</p>
<p>In their twisted world view, I&#8217;m intolerant because I would stop them from interfering in the personal contract between two consenting adults, but they are not intolerant because &#8220;their God&#8221; said so in some book (but let&#8217;s not acknowledge the other stuff about shellfish, pork and loving your neighbors).</p>
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