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	<description>Tiptoeing Through the Muck of Alaskan Politics</description>
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		<title>By: polarbear</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/17/state-of-the-alaskan-economy/#comment-141238</link>
		<dc:creator>polarbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say NO to Palin in Politics:  Truer words were never spoken.   I hear the voice of experience, and hope this discussion finds you and Ryan H well and squared away during these dangerous times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say NO to Palin in Politics:  Truer words were never spoken.   I hear the voice of experience, and hope this discussion finds you and Ryan H well and squared away during these dangerous times.</p>
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		<title>By: Say NO to Palin in Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say NO to Palin in Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan H......any industry can crash. The smart thing is to realize this. Don&#039;t live beyond your means, and realize your job could be gone at any time. Could you survive and stay in AK making 1/2 what you do? Because it can happen. Don&#039;t get secure in any job you have, they can all go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan H&#8230;&#8230;any industry can crash. The smart thing is to realize this. Don&#8217;t live beyond your means, and realize your job could be gone at any time. Could you survive and stay in AK making 1/2 what you do? Because it can happen. Don&#8217;t get secure in any job you have, they can all go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan H.</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/17/state-of-the-alaskan-economy/#comment-141200</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polarbear, you make alot of sense. It is too bad we are stuck in a turbo capitalist system and have to deal with things like &#039;economy of scale&#039; and free market lunatics. We don&#039;t always do what makes good sense, all the desisions in this country are based on what makes the shareholders the most money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polarbear, you make alot of sense. It is too bad we are stuck in a turbo capitalist system and have to deal with things like &#8216;economy of scale&#8217; and free market lunatics. We don&#8217;t always do what makes good sense, all the desisions in this country are based on what makes the shareholders the most money.</p>
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		<title>By: polarbear</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/17/state-of-the-alaskan-economy/#comment-141051</link>
		<dc:creator>polarbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary economic question continues to be, how do we make a stable, sustainable economy from dramatic boom-and-bust cycles?  Instead of working so hard to attract mega-projects which ship our non-renewable resources out-of-state just a quickly as possible, perhaps we ought to be working to attract secondary and tertiary manufacturing industries, and provide them with as much low-cost non-renewable resource as they require.  For us, it makes more sense to manufacture as close as possible to extraction of the resource, and stretch the life of our irreplaceable petroleum and mining resources.  

Example.  The fuel supply cycle to rural Alaska is a real puzzle.  We take crude oil from Prudhoe Bay, ship it thousands of miles to refineries in California, take the diesel, put it in tankers, ship it to Unalaska holding tanks, offload an reload it into coastal tankers, ship it to Kotzebue, offload it and reload it into lightering barges, offload it into coastal holding tanks, then reload it into river barges and send it up the Kobuk river, to be sold at $10.00/gal.   That is, sold at $10.00/gal approximately 300 miles from where the crude was originally extracted.   Then we take our state revenue from petroleum taxes and use the money to offset the cost of fuel oil to heat Kobuk homes, schools, and clinics, and offset the cost of $2.00 / kwh electricity generated from the expensive fuel.   All of this shipping, handling, distant refining, then shipping, handling and re-handling of both the fuel and the petroleum revenue has been the pattern for so long, we have come to think of it as &#039;normal&#039;.  The TAPS pipeline and the Dalton Highway are less than 200 mi east of Kobuk.   Just a little bit of the appropriate infrastructure, well-placed, and rural fuel oil becomes locally accessible and affordable, the cost of electrical generation drops, and our labor force benefits from the new employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary economic question continues to be, how do we make a stable, sustainable economy from dramatic boom-and-bust cycles?  Instead of working so hard to attract mega-projects which ship our non-renewable resources out-of-state just a quickly as possible, perhaps we ought to be working to attract secondary and tertiary manufacturing industries, and provide them with as much low-cost non-renewable resource as they require.  For us, it makes more sense to manufacture as close as possible to extraction of the resource, and stretch the life of our irreplaceable petroleum and mining resources.  </p>
<p>Example.  The fuel supply cycle to rural Alaska is a real puzzle.  We take crude oil from Prudhoe Bay, ship it thousands of miles to refineries in California, take the diesel, put it in tankers, ship it to Unalaska holding tanks, offload an reload it into coastal tankers, ship it to Kotzebue, offload it and reload it into lightering barges, offload it into coastal holding tanks, then reload it into river barges and send it up the Kobuk river, to be sold at $10.00/gal.   That is, sold at $10.00/gal approximately 300 miles from where the crude was originally extracted.   Then we take our state revenue from petroleum taxes and use the money to offset the cost of fuel oil to heat Kobuk homes, schools, and clinics, and offset the cost of $2.00 / kwh electricity generated from the expensive fuel.   All of this shipping, handling, distant refining, then shipping, handling and re-handling of both the fuel and the petroleum revenue has been the pattern for so long, we have come to think of it as &#8216;normal&#8217;.  The TAPS pipeline and the Dalton Highway are less than 200 mi east of Kobuk.   Just a little bit of the appropriate infrastructure, well-placed, and rural fuel oil becomes locally accessible and affordable, the cost of electrical generation drops, and our labor force benefits from the new employment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/17/state-of-the-alaskan-economy/#comment-140970</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Kenai Peninsula we also enjoy many drive thru espresso stands. I love it! And why doesn&#039;t anyone while travelling outside know what a Bean Freeze is? I don&#039;t know what the barrista does to make it, how am I supposed to tell the outside folks how to make it. Everyone up here seems to know what a Milky Way Freeze is though.
Favorite name for a coffe stand : Hallowed Grounds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Kenai Peninsula we also enjoy many drive thru espresso stands. I love it! And why doesn&#8217;t anyone while travelling outside know what a Bean Freeze is? I don&#8217;t know what the barrista does to make it, how am I supposed to tell the outside folks how to make it. Everyone up here seems to know what a Milky Way Freeze is though.<br />
Favorite name for a coffe stand : Hallowed Grounds</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good news for Alaska is that oil field jobs can&#039;t be outsourced to Asia like every other industry. The Alaskan economy should remain solvent based on that fact alone. Sure it can crash, but it should never see an epic fail on par with California or Michigan. And let&#039;s not forget mining, thanks to &#039;Helicopter&#039; Ben with his helicopter printing press and the rest of the O team, gold should keep making record highs as the USD loses reserve currency status. Regardless of Pebble mine, there are plenty of other working mines in this state, and those jobs can&#039;t be outsourced either. 

I agree with the McMansion thesis. People in the lower 48 are learning the hard way, that just like they did in the 1930&#039;s, an economy based on flipping houses back and forth to one another doesn&#039;t end well, just like flipping tech stocks back and forth doesn&#039;t end well either. But, that won&#039;t stop the madmen at the levers of government and the Fed from trying to inflate the next bubble. The stock market is well on it&#039;s way and they are doing everything they can to get the housing bubble floating again. Forget about &#039;Cash for Clunkers&#039; and the &#039;First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit&#039; for destroying the currency. Just clawback all the money they handed over to Government-Sachs, Citi Bank and the rest of the felons, then mail each citizen a million dollar check and be done with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good news for Alaska is that oil field jobs can&#8217;t be outsourced to Asia like every other industry. The Alaskan economy should remain solvent based on that fact alone. Sure it can crash, but it should never see an epic fail on par with California or Michigan. And let&#8217;s not forget mining, thanks to &#8216;Helicopter&#8217; Ben with his helicopter printing press and the rest of the O team, gold should keep making record highs as the USD loses reserve currency status. Regardless of Pebble mine, there are plenty of other working mines in this state, and those jobs can&#8217;t be outsourced either. </p>
<p>I agree with the McMansion thesis. People in the lower 48 are learning the hard way, that just like they did in the 1930&#8242;s, an economy based on flipping houses back and forth to one another doesn&#8217;t end well, just like flipping tech stocks back and forth doesn&#8217;t end well either. But, that won&#8217;t stop the madmen at the levers of government and the Fed from trying to inflate the next bubble. The stock market is well on it&#8217;s way and they are doing everything they can to get the housing bubble floating again. Forget about &#8216;Cash for Clunkers&#8217; and the &#8216;First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit&#8217; for destroying the currency. Just clawback all the money they handed over to Government-Sachs, Citi Bank and the rest of the felons, then mail each citizen a million dollar check and be done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Say NO to Palin in Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/17/state-of-the-alaskan-economy/#comment-140946</link>
		<dc:creator>Say NO to Palin in Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RyanH said: &quot;Assume about every oilfield job paying from $50k – $150k for in state workers adds at least 4 -5 service sector or ‘other’ jobs to the local economy. The oil companies have been laying people off all year long and capital budgets are already getting cut for next year.&quot;

Well, I&#039;d say to those in the oil industry to wake up, ever since Nafta we have been losing American jobs. The computer industry was hit big time. The same thing happened then, for every well paid high tech job that was lost it affected &#039;other&#039; jobs that their income had supported. We were just coming out of that big high tech blow when wall street and the banking crisis hit the wall, the auto industry, all of this is affecting everyone&#039;s job.

Granted, what I saw in Colorado was too many people living high on the hog of two good incomes, buying huge monster houses with ridiculous sq. footage that took loads of expensive new furniture to fill, driving big new gas guzzling suv&#039;s, and probably in debt up to their eyeballs. I don&#039;t live there anymore but I bet a ton of those big boom $300,000-$700,000 houses are on the market or foreclosed. I shudder to think of the house payment. Who would want to heat something that big after last years heating costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RyanH said: &#8220;Assume about every oilfield job paying from $50k – $150k for in state workers adds at least 4 -5 service sector or ‘other’ jobs to the local economy. The oil companies have been laying people off all year long and capital budgets are already getting cut for next year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;d say to those in the oil industry to wake up, ever since Nafta we have been losing American jobs. The computer industry was hit big time. The same thing happened then, for every well paid high tech job that was lost it affected &#8216;other&#8217; jobs that their income had supported. We were just coming out of that big high tech blow when wall street and the banking crisis hit the wall, the auto industry, all of this is affecting everyone&#8217;s job.</p>
<p>Granted, what I saw in Colorado was too many people living high on the hog of two good incomes, buying huge monster houses with ridiculous sq. footage that took loads of expensive new furniture to fill, driving big new gas guzzling suv&#8217;s, and probably in debt up to their eyeballs. I don&#8217;t live there anymore but I bet a ton of those big boom $300,000-$700,000 houses are on the market or foreclosed. I shudder to think of the house payment. Who would want to heat something that big after last years heating costs.</p>
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		<title>By: trisha</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flyinureye, thanks for all your great art.  I really appreciate viewing it.   You have great talent.  Thanks for your contribution!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Say NO to Palin in Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say NO to Palin in Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DF......I hear ya. There is hope in reinvention for many in our country, it often brings better work enjoyment than one had before. 

Being frugal is always a good idea in my book. 

But my heart aches for those who have already lost their homes and belongings, whole families are living on the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DF&#8230;&#8230;I hear ya. There is hope in reinvention for many in our country, it often brings better work enjoyment than one had before. </p>
<p>Being frugal is always a good idea in my book. </p>
<p>But my heart aches for those who have already lost their homes and belongings, whole families are living on the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan H.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy both here and down south is in a complete shambles. There is very little, if any, organic growth in the economy. Specific to AK, we are staring down the barrel of a very nasty decline. Assume about every oilfield job paying from $50k - $150k for in state workers adds at least 4 -5 service sector or &#039;other&#039; jobs to the local economy. The oil companies have been laying people off all year long and capital budgets are already getting cut for next year. Sure, the oil bubble is getting re-inflated, along with the stock market, but that is just a by-product of Zimbabwe Ben, Tax Cheat Timmy and the rest of the O team&#039;s &#039;strong dollar policy&#039; (aka run the printing presses until the USD is completely worthless). In real terms, this is no good for business. Who cares if oil goes to $500 per bbls if the currency collapses? 

There are two enormous problems with the economy that need to be fixed before anything will improve. 

The financial &#039;TBTF&#039; cartel must be broken. CEO&#039;s that cratered their firms and ran weeping to CONgress need to be either thrown in prison or strung up by there necks to lampposts. The worst and most outrageous part about it that even though this depression has been going on for the better part of 2 years, nothing has been reformed! Banks are still allowed, nay encouraged to use dodgy, Enron style &#039;mark-to-fantasy&#039; accounting, and the government has stepped in to backstop trillions of dollars of garbage loans for them. It&#039;s like giving a blood tranfusion to a corpse in the hopes of reviving it! It makes no sense at all. All goverment backstops should be pulled immediately and all the scumbags on fraud street and K street that created this nightmare should be tried for treason.

The second problem is the Military-Industral-Security complex. Any country that runs a system that pays it&#039;s corporate executives lavish bonuses and pays for-hire mercinaries four figure day-rates while it&#039;s senior citizens watch their social security checks shrivel up and see it&#039;s middle class get forcloused upon and sent to a homeless shelter deserves to come tumbling down. Fiscal conservative democrats and republicans always prattle non-sense about &#039;we can&#039;t afford healthcare for every citizen!&#039; What this country really cannot afford is to continue bombing brown people with our multi-billion dollar military toys on the opposite side of the planet and maintaining permanent military bases across the globe to protect western corporate profits and support puppet governments. Obama and the rest of the spineless jacklegs in CONgress need to get us out of the billion dollar boondoggle money pits of Afghanistan and Iraq before we really do bankrupt the empire. Of course, Boeing, KBR, Northrop, Blackwater and the rest of these big companies will never allow that to happen. Besides, the hole we&#039;ve dug for ourselves over the past 30 years is so deep, for all intents and purposes, we&#039;re &#039;all in&#039; now anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy both here and down south is in a complete shambles. There is very little, if any, organic growth in the economy. Specific to AK, we are staring down the barrel of a very nasty decline. Assume about every oilfield job paying from $50k &#8211; $150k for in state workers adds at least 4 -5 service sector or &#8216;other&#8217; jobs to the local economy. The oil companies have been laying people off all year long and capital budgets are already getting cut for next year. Sure, the oil bubble is getting re-inflated, along with the stock market, but that is just a by-product of Zimbabwe Ben, Tax Cheat Timmy and the rest of the O team&#8217;s &#8216;strong dollar policy&#8217; (aka run the printing presses until the USD is completely worthless). In real terms, this is no good for business. Who cares if oil goes to $500 per bbls if the currency collapses? </p>
<p>There are two enormous problems with the economy that need to be fixed before anything will improve. </p>
<p>The financial &#8216;TBTF&#8217; cartel must be broken. CEO&#8217;s that cratered their firms and ran weeping to CONgress need to be either thrown in prison or strung up by there necks to lampposts. The worst and most outrageous part about it that even though this depression has been going on for the better part of 2 years, nothing has been reformed! Banks are still allowed, nay encouraged to use dodgy, Enron style &#8216;mark-to-fantasy&#8217; accounting, and the government has stepped in to backstop trillions of dollars of garbage loans for them. It&#8217;s like giving a blood tranfusion to a corpse in the hopes of reviving it! It makes no sense at all. All goverment backstops should be pulled immediately and all the scumbags on fraud street and K street that created this nightmare should be tried for treason.</p>
<p>The second problem is the Military-Industral-Security complex. Any country that runs a system that pays it&#8217;s corporate executives lavish bonuses and pays for-hire mercinaries four figure day-rates while it&#8217;s senior citizens watch their social security checks shrivel up and see it&#8217;s middle class get forcloused upon and sent to a homeless shelter deserves to come tumbling down. Fiscal conservative democrats and republicans always prattle non-sense about &#8216;we can&#8217;t afford healthcare for every citizen!&#8217; What this country really cannot afford is to continue bombing brown people with our multi-billion dollar military toys on the opposite side of the planet and maintaining permanent military bases across the globe to protect western corporate profits and support puppet governments. Obama and the rest of the spineless jacklegs in CONgress need to get us out of the billion dollar boondoggle money pits of Afghanistan and Iraq before we really do bankrupt the empire. Of course, Boeing, KBR, Northrop, Blackwater and the rest of these big companies will never allow that to happen. Besides, the hole we&#8217;ve dug for ourselves over the past 30 years is so deep, for all intents and purposes, we&#8217;re &#8216;all in&#8217; now anyway.</p>
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