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		<title>By: Boy17</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/20/open-thread-still-steaming/#comment-141795</link>
		<dc:creator>Boy17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer that immediately leapt to mind was The Matrix. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer that immediately leapt to mind was The Matrix. ,</p>
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		<title>By: strangelet</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/20/open-thread-still-steaming/#comment-141518</link>
		<dc:creator>strangelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Ziegler/KO.  I think Keith should take him up on it, but he should insist that Ziegler deposit the $100K with a neutral depository in advance.

Admittedly, this will probably result in a one-hour waste of time, but $100K for charity isn&#039;t a bad rate of return.  And KO can always eviscerate Ziegler retrospectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ziegler/KO.  I think Keith should take him up on it, but he should insist that Ziegler deposit the $100K with a neutral depository in advance.</p>
<p>Admittedly, this will probably result in a one-hour waste of time, but $100K for charity isn&#8217;t a bad rate of return.  And KO can always eviscerate Ziegler retrospectively.</p>
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		<title>By: strangelet</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ripley:  Sorry your lawyer was a flop.  Nevertheless, the way arb is &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to work is the arbitrator looks at the facts, not the drama.

Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ripley:  Sorry your lawyer was a flop.  Nevertheless, the way arb is <i>supposed</i> to work is the arbitrator looks at the facts, not the drama.</p>
<p>Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: strangelet</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46 Say No -- While I&#039;m embarrassed that my native state is the site of a Palin dumbo-dump, I have to say that prohibiting cameras and recording devices at a speech isn&#039;t that unusual, no matter who the speaker may be.

Now, admittedly, the prohibition on cameras is often intended to prevent the distraction of dozens or hundreds of flashes; and the ban on recording is often to preserve the option of the speaker or the venue to release a commercial version.  This doesn&#039;t seem to be the case here.  Prohibiting cell-phone recording is -- how shall I put this -- stupid.  And unenforceable.  I mean, I guess they could catch people trying to video-record with their cells, but it&#039;s pretty much impossible to notice someone audio-recording.

Searching bags, though, is a rather common thing -- e.g., they do it at Disneyland and at the San Jose Jazz Festival (where they don&#039;t want you to sneak in your own booze).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 Say No &#8212; While I&#8217;m embarrassed that my native state is the site of a Palin dumbo-dump, I have to say that prohibiting cameras and recording devices at a speech isn&#8217;t that unusual, no matter who the speaker may be.</p>
<p>Now, admittedly, the prohibition on cameras is often intended to prevent the distraction of dozens or hundreds of flashes; and the ban on recording is often to preserve the option of the speaker or the venue to release a commercial version.  This doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case here.  Prohibiting cell-phone recording is &#8212; how shall I put this &#8212; stupid.  And unenforceable.  I mean, I guess they could catch people trying to video-record with their cells, but it&#8217;s pretty much impossible to notice someone audio-recording.</p>
<p>Searching bags, though, is a rather common thing &#8212; e.g., they do it at Disneyland and at the San Jose Jazz Festival (where they don&#8217;t want you to sneak in your own booze).</p>
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		<title>By: Claw Washout Palin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claw Washout Palin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chance to see dozens of &#039;shooting stars&#039;
The sky will light up overnight as Earth passes through debris left by Halley&#039;s Comet. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20091020/sc_space/getoutorionidmeteorshowerpeaksovernight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chance to see dozens of &#8216;shooting stars&#8217;<br />
The sky will light up overnight as Earth passes through debris left by Halley&#8217;s Comet. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20091020/sc_space/getoutorionidmeteorshowerpeaksovernight">http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20091020/sc_space/getoutorionidmeteorshowerpeaksovernight</a></p>
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		<title>By: in exile (SC version)</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/10/20/open-thread-still-steaming/#comment-141509</link>
		<dc:creator>in exile (SC version)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say NO to Palin @102 and earlier- I watched most of this Frontline show (The Warning) too. Very good - I think they said you can watch it online so I&#039;m off to find the link. 
Watching Greenspan sitting there in that hearing, saying he had been wrong all along,  made me want to throw up. If only Brooksley Born - the one who issued &#039;The Warning&#039; - had not been forced out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say NO to Palin @102 and earlier- I watched most of this Frontline show (The Warning) too. Very good &#8211; I think they said you can watch it online so I&#8217;m off to find the link.<br />
Watching Greenspan sitting there in that hearing, saying he had been wrong all along,  made me want to throw up. If only Brooksley Born &#8211; the one who issued &#8216;The Warning&#8217; &#8211; had not been forced out.</p>
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		<title>By: Say NO to Palin in Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say NO to Palin in Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, I have my dates wrong. Brooksley Born came on board in 1996, (not 1993). She believed in the need for regulation, not a deregulated market, which put her up against Alan Greenspan, who then basically demanded she stop the push for regulation when the market was so strong and lobbied hard against her in congress. 

Ronald Reagan put Greenspan in place during his administration and gave him very powerful influential voice. Greenspan&#039;s opinion was the know all end all at the time on economics. President Clinton kept Greenspan on, as the bull market tides kept riding high. Then the trouble that Born had been concerned about and warned against hit, wave coming down. Surfs up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, I have my dates wrong. Brooksley Born came on board in 1996, (not 1993). She believed in the need for regulation, not a deregulated market, which put her up against Alan Greenspan, who then basically demanded she stop the push for regulation when the market was so strong and lobbied hard against her in congress. </p>
<p>Ronald Reagan put Greenspan in place during his administration and gave him very powerful influential voice. Greenspan&#8217;s opinion was the know all end all at the time on economics. President Clinton kept Greenspan on, as the bull market tides kept riding high. Then the trouble that Born had been concerned about and warned against hit, wave coming down. Surfs up.</p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>98 Trini~ mine didn&#039;t either...hmmmmm...i was nice also, too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>98 Trini~ mine didn&#8217;t either&#8230;hmmmmm&#8230;i was nice also, too</p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone interested  in signing a petition ...Move on.org...
After caling out fox news , their asking all Dems. to pleasetay off Fox as long as the Pres. does..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone interested  in signing a petition &#8230;Move on.org&#8230;<br />
After caling out fox news , their asking all Dems. to pleasetay off Fox as long as the Pres. does..</p>
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		<title>By: Say NO to Palin in Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say NO to Palin in Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention, Brooksley Born was trying to give wake up warning to financial bank dealings kept secret back in 1993, which ultimately did prove true and created a stock market crash. 

Apparently we still have not learned the lessons from the first stock market crash which resulted in the Great Depression and it&#039;s devastation. Why? Get the fricken wall street banking regulations in place and right now. 

How many times do we have to go through this? It&#039;s the middle class tax paying citizens that come out on the short end of the stick. They get rescused for bad and greedy business choices by us, then, back on their feet it&#039;s back to business as usual. Oh how handy to have the government to turn to using our tax dollars as a loan.

It&#039;s time we stop getting screwed by big money mongers abusing the system. I&#039;m almost to the point of saying we should have let the banks and auto industry fail, they sure didn&#039;t deserve to be bailed out by us. I didn&#039;t feel that way at the time, when they said woe is me, it would devastate and cripple our country if they fail. Well look at the fallout amongst us, the little guy. 

Now those banks are back in the black, same old same old, they have jobs and undeserved bonuses while millions of &#039;us&#039; are out of work, without insurance and on the street thanks to them. Could we have gotten through this and come out better by letting them fail, I don&#039;t know. But I&#039;m beginning to wonder.

One thing I do know, there are certain industries that absolutely need regulating!

End of rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention, Brooksley Born was trying to give wake up warning to financial bank dealings kept secret back in 1993, which ultimately did prove true and created a stock market crash. </p>
<p>Apparently we still have not learned the lessons from the first stock market crash which resulted in the Great Depression and it&#8217;s devastation. Why? Get the fricken wall street banking regulations in place and right now. </p>
<p>How many times do we have to go through this? It&#8217;s the middle class tax paying citizens that come out on the short end of the stick. They get rescused for bad and greedy business choices by us, then, back on their feet it&#8217;s back to business as usual. Oh how handy to have the government to turn to using our tax dollars as a loan.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time we stop getting screwed by big money mongers abusing the system. I&#8217;m almost to the point of saying we should have let the banks and auto industry fail, they sure didn&#8217;t deserve to be bailed out by us. I didn&#8217;t feel that way at the time, when they said woe is me, it would devastate and cripple our country if they fail. Well look at the fallout amongst us, the little guy. </p>
<p>Now those banks are back in the black, same old same old, they have jobs and undeserved bonuses while millions of &#8216;us&#8217; are out of work, without insurance and on the street thanks to them. Could we have gotten through this and come out better by letting them fail, I don&#8217;t know. But I&#8217;m beginning to wonder.</p>
<p>One thing I do know, there are certain industries that absolutely need regulating!</p>
<p>End of rant.</p>
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