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Open Thread – Pie vs. Spy

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More fun with Sarah Palin’s mystery business “Pie Spy, LLC” that was revealed on her final disclosure paperwork for the Alaska Public Offices Commission.

[h/t to the great 'flyinureye' for another one of those pictures that's worth 1000 words]

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November 6th, 2009

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74 to “Open Thread – Pie vs. Spy”


  1. 1
    twain12No Gravatar says:

    lol, the picture is priceless :)

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    lexkyNo Gravatar says:

    fly
    love the pic. superb as usual.

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    lemonfairNo Gravatar says:

    Good grief. flyinureye is so good he either must be or should be making a living doing this. This is so obvious (in retrospect) you’d wonder that SP and company couldn’t see the satire coming.

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    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    Thank you for some much needed laughter to start the day. I was on my way to catch up with the news but am glad I stopped here first. flyinureye – once again, excellent! Echoing lemonfair @3, Do you do work with graphics for a living, fly?

    And the teabagger video had me laughing so hard that I scared the cat. Omigawd, that was hysterical. How can they take themselves seriously?? Can you just imagine them gathered around on Thanksgiving, the children having been told, ” pay attention kids. this is your legacy. this is American history”, old grandpa rocking in the corner with one lone tear tracking down his patriotic cheek. HA!!!!

    Well hopefully that endorphin rush will balance off whatever negative energy I’m going to find as I wander over to catch up on the news. Shocked as all get out to wake this morning to hear that the shooter was alive. I’m hoping he’ll talk openly about motive and we find that it was entirely PTSD motivated. The wingnuts won’t believe it but for the rest of us, perhaps it’ll open good dialogue about PTSD and the need for serious counseling for our troops.

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    WakeUpAmericaNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of PTSD, I wonder if that is what happened to Bailey after working for Sarah, and maybe that is why he is writing a book. Just a thought.

    Fly, hilarious picture. It was perfect for my morning coffee and toast.

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    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    Keeping with “laughter is the best medicine”, here’s an excellent rendition of the Palin/Gibson interview. This woman does a really great “Palin”. I originally saw it on Palingates but it keeps locking up over there for me so figured I’d offer the direct YouTube link. I’m still laughing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfz6QGmuvp4

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    GreatGranny2CNo Gravatar says:

    Such a clever person is Fly! It is great to start the day with good news and laughter. In case anyone has missed it, Ann has posted over on Anonymous Bloggers and the newest Strongheart should soon be arriving. Between Begich speaking good things about Alaska and the first people, and then Obama’s efforts to rectify some wrongs, it is a positive note that we may see improvements for the natives of Alaska.

    Conan apologized to Levi – guess it helps to have a good attorney and a big bodyguard on your side. Levi has enough problems with Palin after him without the media spewing lies. Gryphen has a story on this.

    Channel surfed to Morning Joe to see what his take on yesterday’s incident at Fort Hood was, and I should have known not to. I caught part of a statement where he mentions that the shooter was walking around in his Islamic garb – and here Joe makes a comment that “he was well within his rights to” – then goes on that no one is going to judge yet but wait for the results of the investigation. He made a couple of similar statements about name and religion and in my opinion, he was subtly inciting against Muslims. I expect we’ll see more and more of that in the days and weeks to follow. More of the same from John Roberts at CNN, so the television is now off.

    Frozen Alaska has some good info on PTSD, but the author believes a cover-up by the Army has already begun. I don’t agree with that aspect of the writing, but there is other good information on the condition.

    BuffGal – thanks for the link – it is very funny and I may go back to it several times today, just to perk me back up!

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    tigerwineNo Gravatar says:

    BuffaloGal – thanks for the link. My Gawd, she sounds just like SP!!
    (But what’s wrong with her lips?) This is one of the best, next to Tina Fey.

    Speaking of Track, (whom she brought up several times) where is he? In AK? Living at home? With his sister in Palmer?

  9. 9
    GreatGranny2CNo Gravatar says:

    It’s about time he got outed! Seems it is the infamous Sen. Tom Coburn (MD and Rep. from OK) who put a secret hold on the veterans’ bill. With yesterday’s incident showing the need for more medical care (including mental health) for our soldiers, maybe he’ll stop playing the political shell game. A letter from 13 veterans’ advocacy groups has been sent to the Senate, in part reading like this: “Thousands of disabled veterans with serious medical conditions and the family members who care for them are counting on this additional support.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/05/coburn-holding-up-veterans/

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    LiladyNYNo Gravatar says:

    While I was listening to NPR this morning, I heard someone say that too often emphasis is given to the one’s needing care yet, the caregivers are ignored and/or neglected. It seems that Maj. Hasan had sent up a number of red flags for quite a while before this incident.

    My sister-in-law was in the Army and served in Viet Nam. She was and still is a psychiatrist. Frankly, she has quite a few screws loose and I definitely attribute that to her experiences there. Not that she’s harmful to anyone mind you, but I think a lot of her synapses could use some recalibrating.

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    amyNo Gravatar says:

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    GreatGranny2C Says:
    A letter from 13 veterans’ advocacy groups has been sent to the Senate, in part reading like this: “Thousands of disabled veterans with serious medical conditions and the family members who care for them are counting on this additional support.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/05/coburn-holding-up-veterans/

    There is a petition to sign if you read this story. Colburn is an a** and needs to hear that people are watching him. My daughter-in-laws cousin came bk from Irag and 2 weeks later shot and killed himself…….he was 21. He also lives in Colburns district. This man is so deeply entrenched in C Street that he no longer listens to anyone but them. Please keep the pressure on him.
    Thanks.

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    CO almost nativeNo Gravatar says:

    Bwa ha ha! *snicker* Great artwork, flyinyureye– I always loved Mad magazine, and how appropriate to use with Palin. Good morning, and TGIF mudpups- headed off to sign the petition concerning Colburn. I’m not sure how he can justify his actions and still uphold the Hippocratic Oath; perhaps he’s a Physician-In-Name-Only. There seem to be a lot of In-Names-Only around…

  13. 13
    Misfit in TexasNo Gravatar says:

    Buffalo Gal, Yes PTSD does need more attention.
    BUT if you are speaking of the shooting at Ft Hood, this was not a case of POST Traumatic Stress Disorder. This was a case of PRE Traumatic Stress Disorder.

    This man was scheduled to be deployed for the FIRST TIME. He had worked as an Army Psychiatrist at Arlington Va until he failed a review and was moved to Ft Hood. His PRE TSD stemmed from his dread of being deployed to a warzone he totally disagreed with (the 2 wars in general ), a problem with alcohol and an inability to get out of the Army he chose to enlist in (to educate and employ him).

    I agree our troops need more counseling for Post TSD but I think Pre-Deployment counseling should be looked at more closely, as well. This guy came under radar 6 months ago because of statements made on internet postings, it was known he had an alcohol problem and disagreed with the 2 wars going on. Why wasn’t someone paying attention to these SIGNALS and trying to help this man, before he went off the deep end and started killing people?

    Our troops, most definitely, suffer after going to war. But they also suffer BEFORE they are actually deployed (as this tragic event illustrates). I am sure the time before deployment is agonizing for the troops and thier families and pre deployment readiness should be scrutinized too.

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    Misfit in TexasNo Gravatar says:

    I may have the wrong location of the Hospital he served at.
    It was the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, which he served at for 6 years before reporting to Ft Hood. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    Misfit, I agree with you. This guy was in the grips of fear. I am so sorry very people are dead and injured because of it. People need to pay more attention to other peoples big fears and take them seriously. This includes the whacked out tea baggers, gah.

    Carrie Prejean is one weird lady, seriously. Listen to what she says and how she talks. Ack. No wonder Scarah relates to her.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0e9WCnmAfM

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    LadybirddebNo Gravatar says:

    It is a real insult to our servicemen and women who are actually suffering from battle-related PTSD to absolve Hasan from personal responsibility for his horrific actions by claiming that he was mentally traumatized by events that were yet to happen. Give me a break! He objected to participating in wars against Muslim nations, but he had no problem slaughtering 13 innocent fellow Americans! Hasan is NOT A VICTIM, he’s a murderer!

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    trishaNo Gravatar says:

    Did anyone see Jon Stewart’s recent Beck mockery. OMG….hilarious. It’s a must see. Sorry, I don’t have the link right now.

    I did not realize that the day after the election, Beck was mysteriously out on a medicial emergency! How convenient. What a coward, he couldn’t even face the music that his efforts failed in NY. He “skipped school” because he couldn’t face his audience. What a loser.

    Anyway, Jon is rock star!!!! Love the graphic!!!!!

  18. 18
    PoolmanNo Gravatar says:

    trisha, here is the link. I saw it earlier today, as whirled peas posted on Margaret and Helen’s blog. It is great!

    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911060002

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    moNo Gravatar says:

    Ladbybirddeb – yes, he’s a murderer. But I think all the sorting through the ashes afterwards is our usual desperate attempt to find clues that we imagine we can use to prevent these sorts of tragedies in the future. As if.

    I think the Malays pretty much nailed it – sometimes someone runs amok. They kill a bunch of innocent bystanders before they’re cut down.

    And our current state of mental health science isn’t up to the task of diagnosing the tells and inplementing preventive measures. Hence all the rehashing and voodoo psych. Not to mention the wingnuts’ perennial refrain about this sort of thing not happening if everyone in the room had been carrying a sidearm. Friendly fire is conveniently forgotten.

    Ratz. Now I’ve killed the smile I got from Fly’s cool graphic.

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    Misfit in TexasNo Gravatar says:

    #16 Ladybirddeb Says:
    November 6th, 2009 at 7:17 AM

    You misunderstand me. I am NOT absolving Hasan for his horrific behavior. He should be held accountable for his cold blooded murderous actions.
    I never said he is anything other than a murdering coward.

    All I said is that our troops AND thier families DO suffer from pre-deployment issues that should be addressed. This could possibly have been avoided if someone had been paying more attention.

  21. 21
    OMGNo Gravatar says:

    New gallup poll numbers for Palin (et al).

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/124097/Huckabee-Romney-Palin-See-Most-Republican-Support-12.aspx

    Read all the way down to her “qualified to be president” numbers. I’m still shocked they’re as high as they are–I would’ve thought single digits were more appropriate.

  22. 22
    LiladyNYNo Gravatar says:

    @18 poolman

    That was the BEST Jon Stewart evah!!!!! There is some evil little part of me that says Glenn Beck avoided appearing on his show due to major embarrassment at having to admit he was WRONG about promoting and declaring Doug Hoffman the winner in NY-23 before the election (if Glenn Beck could recognize embarrassment when he tripped over it).

    It is unfortunate that the media is foaming at the mouth with their wild speculation and plucked-out-of-the-air theories about the Ft. Hood shooter before any of the facts are apparent. Maj. Hassan is a killer to be sure and there is no excusing that, but until he speaks to the authorities about his motives, all else is hot air.

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    Writing from AlaskaNo Gravatar says:

    Perfect!! one of the most simple, but one of the best yet! I want a poster!!

  24. 24
    Cynamen WinterNo Gravatar says:

    Just wondering if anyone has contacted the questionable “Pie Spy” outfit… to inquire about “said” services ~ and to see if one can arrange an appointment? For I’m quite certain that $P wishes this “unbaked” pie had simply remained in a cold oven.

    Hmmmmm….

  25. 25
    LiladyNYNo Gravatar says:

    Comment from Daily Kos:

    In response to the RNC’s twelve hour online town hall to “explain the democratic health care bill,” DNC Press Secretary Hari Sevugan issued the following statement:

    “We’re planning a twelve second town hall to explain every last detail of the GOP health care plan.”

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    A fan from CANo Gravatar says:

    A couple of things about Hasan.

    He’d been serving at Walter Reed. This is the place that was managed by Haliburton into the ground. The Army had to take back management responsibility because the “private contractor” made such a mess. Hasan had to work in the Haliburton swamp.

    Hasan had a very high stress job because he probably spent most of his time listening to the horror stories of returning troops. That could cause PTSD in him. I makes me ask what is being done to care for the caregivers. I could also make the idea of going to the war zone even more frightening since his expectations would be based upon the worst of the worst.

    While if fully expect that Hasan will spend the rest of his life in the brig, I hope that this serves as a wake up call for better mental health treatment for all service members and vets.

  27. 27
    A fan from CANo Gravatar says:

    The Jon Stewart Beck bit was brilliant! Another Emmy for the collection?

    He really nailed him.

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    IsyFleurNo Gravatar says:

    A fan from CA – “better mental health treatment for all service members and vets” is a great idea for the short term.
    How about no more wars, no more sending young people to far away lands to kill dehumanized “enemies” and hope they will come back just happy heroes?
    How about the total rejection of the greatest age old fallacies that “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” and “Si vis pacem, para bellum?”
    How about we recognize that the concept of war is by definition naive – would an adult ever intervene in a children’s fight and tell them to have at it and take sides and help in the fight?
    How about we thrive for peace, and intervene in conflicts by sending diplomatic teams to try and jump-start a peace process, rather than repeatedly arming one side against the other and then finding we become the arch-enemy of all sides?
    We can set up all the PTSD clinics we want, those who survive combat will all come back from war irreversibly wounded.

  29. 29
    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    WTF?!!?!? ANOTHER shooting – this time it’s an office bldg in Florida. 2 dead, a number of wounded. Details still coming in

  30. 30
    Nan (aka roswellborn)No Gravatar says:

    During WWII, the Japanese units were never sent anywhere in Asia. They were sent only to Europe, where they proved themselves “true Americans” beyond any doubt. They fought rabidly for this country in spite of the suspicions many held about them as Americans.

    Another reason – which highlights those suspicions – was that it was felt that they might not be willing to shoot at those who could be their uncle or cousin or whatever. (they had no problem with Schmidts shooting at Wilhelms however, so much for consistency).

    One doesn’t have to be in a war zone to suffer from PTSD. How often do we “take a break” from the news because we just can’t absorb any more? Those treating the wounded, whether physical wounds or mental wounds also suffer. AND it is up to those people to know when they themselves are in need of help and to seek it out!

    The above is in no way condoning or excusing the shootings at Ft Hood. It’s just a few thoughts that have crossed my mind as I wonder just how long it will be before all the facts are available.

    Fire away, I’m a big girl (she said, quaking).

    Nan

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    Nan (aka roswellborn)No Gravatar says:

    IsyFleur
    Wonderful words. May we live long enough to see them heard daily. (latin translation please? I recognize a few words, but not enough)

  32. 33
    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    The most recent news from Florida:

    At least two people have been killed and several others injured in a shooting incident at an office building in Florida.
    Police surrounded the Legions Place complex in central Orlando as officers began a floor-by-floor evacuation.

    Local reports said bodies were found on the 12th and 8th floor of the 16-floor building.
    Deputy fire chief Mike Droege said the gunman had not been found.

    “The building is not secure now,” he said. “It’s still unfolding.”

    Seven people were taken to Orlando Regional Medical Centre.
    ————————-

    Nan – I hear you. I suppose there needs to be some thinking done about mental trauma. PTSD is a blanket term . Too wide.

  33. 34
    lexkyNo Gravatar says:

    So which mudpup from Milwaukee is going to be sneaking a cellphone into Palin’s speech?????????

  34. 35
    terpsichoreNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t usually do this, but if yall are so inclined, there’s a couple polls up at out local newspaper. Click on the link and off to the right you’ll see four poll questions. I’m dismayed at the results of today’s question.

    Go mudpups!

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/todaysbuzz/tuesday/

  35. 36
    IsyFleurNo Gravatar says:

    Nan – thanks :)

    Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori is a line from the Roman lyrical poet Horace’s Odes (III.2.13). The line can be roughly translated into English as: “It is sweet and right to die for one’s country.”, “It is noble and glorious to die for your fatherland.” or “It is beautiful and honorable to die for your fatherland.”

    Si vis pacem, para bellum is a Latin adage translated as, “If you wish for peace, prepare for war” (usually interpreted as meaning peace through strength – a strong society being arguably less likely to be attacked by enemies).

    Both from Wikipedia

  36. 37
    aussiegal77No Gravatar says:

    It sickens me that one man’s murder spree can be pinned on an entire community. Truth be told – when the Virginia Tech killer was revealed to an Asian student, I worried.

    It’s just so easy for bigots to point the finger and single out large sections of the nation for backlash. Remember Timothy McVeigh? He was a white guy. Outrage level again other white people nowhere near as hysterical as when the shooter(s) were non-whites.

    Don’t believe me – check this out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html

    Wingnut logic – shooter was Muslim, Obama has Muslim sounding name, therefore, a connection MUST exist. Even when there are patently NONE.

    I am sick to my stomach right now. These people are depraved.

    Also, I just saw another shooting has taken place in Orlando. In Australia, it took 1 massacre in Port Arthurt in Tasmania for stricter gun control laws to be enacted. One. In America, massacre upon massacre takes place and so many innocent people being butchered – yet still, the NRA and other pro-gun organisations refuse to acknowledge the dire & urgent for SENSIBLE gun laws. How many more people must die before our leaders stiffen their spines and enact laws that protect average Americans who just want to work hard, get decent healthcare, retire with dignity and not have to risk getting shot by some lunatic with access to any arsenal they choose.

  37. 38
    aussiegal77No Gravatar says:

    I am so angry right now, I am leaving out words and making spelling mistakes all over my last post!

    I need a drink….

  38. 39
    StarNo Gravatar says:

    Flyinyureye~ You know how to make peeps smile!! Very talented..:-)
    WoW! another sad day..Have a great wknd Mudpuppies..

  39. 40
    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    Terps @35 – Lent my 2 cents. ( i was surprised by the responses too!)

    For Orlando mudpups or those nearby , per the Orlando Sentinel, ORMC is requesting donations of type O blood.

    I imagine if the Orlando shooter ends up being a non-Muslim, there won’t be much talk about his religion, eh?

  40. 41
    MotorheadNo Gravatar says:

    Fly: I see a cool couple’s costume there for the next Miner’s and Trapper’s Ball !!

  41. 42
    mlaiuppaNo Gravatar says:

    LOL. CNN refers to this as keeping a low profile. Sounds like something completely different to me.

    “Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is set to deliver remarks at a Wisconsin Right to Life event Friday evening, one of the few speeches the former Republican presidential nominee will have given since she resigned the governorship last summer.

    But Palin appears to be doing her best to keep a low profile on this trip: no press will be allowed into the Milwaukee auditorium where she will speak and those who have paid the $30 admittance fee are unable to carry in cell phones, cameras, laptops, or recording devices of any kind.”

    Where’s Mayhill Fowler when you need her?

    Wonder if they coughed up Palin’s $100,000 speaking fee. I don’t think even $30 a head will cover her expenses, let along provide them with any “profit”.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/06/palin-to-keep-low-profile-on-wisconsin-trip/

  42. 43
    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    So how in the world does Scarah expect to pull this type of behavior and then go on the Oprah show? Is this her sick way of saying she’s the one in control over blacks? I hope Oprah skewers her, but then she’d look like the rest of meanie media who pick on Scarah. We are dealing with one psycho sick person. I wish the psychiatrists and mental health experts would pay attention to her behavior, before it too late.

    And she’s got the gall to ignore or play games with a judge? I hope he lets her have it for contempt, throw the book at her.

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/11/prweb3148544.htm

    “Washington, DC (PRWEB) November 4, 2009 — Former Governor Sarah Palin, in the wake of her much publicized book and upcoming interview on Oprah, has rejected a settlement offer in the 2009 Juneteenth lawsuit (Case no. 3:09-cv-00091 United States District Court of Alaska). The plaintiffs’ settlement offer, made by jazz musician Gregory Charles Royal and former Palin supporter Kim Chatman, was for Palin to merely follow through on what Alaska Assistant Attorney General Margaret Paton-Walsh said Palin would do: issue the 2007 proclamation.”

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    aussiegal77No Gravatar says:

    mlaiuppa: I’ll bet you Palin’s speaking fee that shameless hussy will drop in references to the Fort Hood shooting and even perhaps the Orlando shooting to make herself look extra patriotic.

  44. 45

    This shooting madness makes me crazy. Guns kill people.

    His name is Jason Rodriguez in Orlando. They don’t happen to mention his religion on CNN…. that’s curious. Why not? Hmmm?

  45. 46
    Seagull Junker PalinNo Gravatar says:

    Did anyone see the leaked pix of Levi? Go to Andrew Sullivan’s blog.

  46. 47
    Misfit in TexasNo Gravatar says:

    AH HA!!!!

    Thanks for the link Say No To Palin In Politics

    That explains why she has been hiding out so much! She has been avoiding being served. If she hasn’t been served the papers, she thinks she can continue to claim she knew nothing of the complaint.

  47. 48
    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    Ladybirddeb ………I hope you don’t think I was absolving Hasan for what he did. I’m just saying people need to pay more attention to peoples behaviors and mind sets. Like Scarah.

    I thought Hasan was shot and killed? how can he answer questions or spend his life in a brig. Have I missed some news?

  48. 49
    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    Aussiegal77 – I was thinking the same thing about Palin using the shootings for her own gain. I can already hear it. I’m am quite sure that the short little

    ” Todd and I would like to offer our condolences to the families of the victims of the tragic shooting today at Fort Hood. Our thoughts and prayers will be with them. – Sarah Palin” bit that she’s posted on her Facebook is only a placekeeper for something much bigger. They’re planning the right angle to use.

    The Orlando suspect is being reported as apprehended.

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    HA! about all the Scarah ‘rules’, lol.

    Wisconsin Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate told the Wisconsin Radio Network he finds all these restrictions “bizarre.”

    “You know, for someone who claims to be a rogue and isn’t afraid of what other people think it really is sort of hypocritical to not let the media, the press cover your event.”

  50. 51
    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    oops, the link……love that “Media blackout” , lol

    http://www.wrn.com/2009/11/palin-comes-to-wisconsin-media-blackout/

  51. 52
    BBHoundsNo Gravatar says:

    Oh…I love it when I see flyinureye artwork.

    Thanks flyinureye for more laughs.

  52. 53
    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    So, after reading in about the campaign news staffers recounts about Scarah wanting McCain to go after the Rev. Wright dirt, it makes me wonder if she got Fake News to do it for her. Sounds about right, good old Hannity to the rescue. He was rewarded with the exclusive interview in TX with her. I bet she got on board with Rupert during that time also, too. It aligns with her bad girl rogue attitude.

    On Oct. 6, 08 Hannity ran a special 1 hr. show about Obama and questionable relationships. I bet you Scarah put him up to it. How fair and balanced is that? Did they dig into any of Scarah’s questionable activities? nope

  53. 54
    GreatGranny2CNo Gravatar says:

    I’m also extremely upset and disgusted with the news. All those so-called professionals, like Clint the FBI profiler on MSNBC – they have their own ideas, which are often slanted, and I’m sick of him saying NO ONE JUST SNAPS – he’s convinced the guy is a pure murderer. I wonder if he was ever in the military himself because he doesn’t tell the truth when he says no one just snaps. After more than 20 years as an Army wife, and as the mother of a daughter who has worked at an Army hospital for nearly 20 years, people do snap. Point of fact is there was one yesterday on this Army post. The patient is the wife of a soldier due to redeploy, she had been seen in the clinic my daughter works in. She was still upset when the appt. was over with, but did not seem to be at the point of detaining. However, she got into the parking lot and totally lost it – started screaming and crying for help and it took several people to restrain her and she is now committed to the psychiatric ward. So it DOES HAPPEN, and much more than those commentators realize.

    Another point that I wanted to expand on, is the question kept coming up on nearly every channel – and that is the availability of weapons on a military post. All companies and battalions have locked and guarded weapons rooms, and when there is training, then the weapons are issued to soldiers who sign for them. There is extremely tight control over weapons and ammunition at all times. Single soldiers living in barracks must register any personal weapons but they cannot keep them in the barracks, they are also locked up in the unit’s weapons room. Married soldiers living in on-post housing must also register personal weapons, but those may stay in the individual’s housing. VERY FEW soldiers ever wear sidearms or carry weapons of any sort. The exception being Military Police (MPs) or others on guard duty of some sort.

    The last topic is also being confused and misreported on some of the networks. MPs are at a great shortage stateside now with so many being deployed overseas. To take care of the shortage for gate guards and on-post police duties, the military branches now contract for security services. These are in fact referred to as *civilian police*, but are under the direct control of the Post Commander and only operate on the military facility. Some of the networks were confusing them with civilian police from the surrounding communities. Rarely do local law enforcement have any involvement with on-post activities.

    I’m really afraid that should it be determined Major Hassan was fully cognizant of what he was doing and had intended to kill people, we’ll see the fringe-nuts acting up. I still find it incredible that Bachmann and crew were allowed to go as far as they did yesterday and that no one will censure them. Last year, there was a movement on to censure Bachmann, but it went nowhere, and there doesn’t seem to be the impetus to knock some of those jerks off their pedestals!

  54. 55
    CGNo Gravatar says:

    # 46, Seagull Junker Palin, leaked photos of Levi on Andrew Sullivan’s blog.

    He must have moved them. That link seems to be broken. I think I found them here: http://tiny.cc/53MCo

  55. 56
    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    I just came across this, I guess Hasan is alive.

    “Authorities searched his apartment early Friday for clues but haven’t yet been able to talk to Hasan, who survived the shootings but remains in a coma in a Texas hospital, according to a federal law enforcement official.”

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    Meg confirms this……..Dem. Barney Frank will also speak. Why in the world they chose Scarah to represent the Rep. party is at a correspondence dinner beyond me, she QUIT. She’s afraid of gotchya questions. Is this her roll out party? Will she cut it?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29238.html

    “Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be the Republican speaker at the Gridiron Club’s Winter Dinner on Dec. 5, the club announced Friday.
    [...]
    Palin’s attendance at the exclusive event – put on by a group of top Washington journalists – will mark the second time the former Alaska governor has flown to the capital to mix with the city’s political elite. Earlier this year she attended the annual dinner put on by the Alfalfa Club, an insiders’ organization that exists to throw an off-the-record winter bash.

    Her planned appearance at the Gridiron also follows in the footsteps of another ambitious young politician: President Barack Obama spoke at the dinner in 2006.”

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    GreatGranny2CNo Gravatar says:

    Started already on Fox this morning, but now Jerome Corsi has put his two cents in:

    WND’s Jerome Corsi Claims Fort Hood Shooter Advised Obama [UPDATE]

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html&cp

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    honestyinGovNo Gravatar says:

    I need a little help from the MudPuppies.
    I was just looking at the Halloween pumpkin that was carved for AKM’s story.
    The stencil/outline of the Moose that was used to do that carving…. if you come across that picture ( or one similar to it ) while browsing or a webpage that has a picture outline of a moose…. please give me the link.
    { It needs to be a profile – not just a moose pic }
    The little moose icon for Mudflats ( on internet pages ) looks to be sort of like the same profile… But that is a litttttttle small to work with.
    Thanks in advance. ;-)

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    GreatGranny2CNo Gravatar says:

    HIG @59 – Here you go, this is an outline at Winfield’s. There are a number of others but this should be the one you can work with. And we want to see photos when you are finished!

    http://www.thewinfieldcollection.com/product/4384/Animals

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    CGNo Gravatar says:

    John Trudell has interesting ideas about health care reform and is making an effort for change. There’s a series of benefit concerts with Jackson Browne and others.

    What he says is that as a nation, we should deliver universal healthcare for all women and children first and immediately, unconditionally. Then, work men into that plan over a period of time.
    The rationale is that men, generally speaking, are employed in greater numbers than women, and more likely to have health insurance benefits. Adding people to plans is cost-prohibitive, which results in uninsured families.
    This idea has merit. National healthcare for dependents. Employee health care plans and the giant health insurance company racket can continue until it gets phased out. They have the opportunity to transition to some other lucrative racket. For the docs who are in the business for the money, they have the opportunity for career transition. Would that be more acceptable to Republicans?

    http://www.givelovegivelife.net/

    The need for national healthcare is obvious.
    There are millions of people who can not afford it,
    But when we speak in terms of universal healthcare
    For all Americans, it becomes a political issue that
    Gets demonized by its opponents, which leads to
    Emotionally distorted accusations thus preventing
    Coherent well thought out dialogue

    We are aware that all Americans should have access
    To comprehensive healthcare.We understand the
    Political will and economic resources are not
    Coherent or clear enough to accomplish this at this time
    Prioritizing National Healthcare Insurance for the
    Women and children of America is not about excluding
    Men its about taking a first step. Current economic realities
    Show there isn’t enough money to fund all needed social
    And economic needs.

    ~~
    Support a Plan – Not a Politician
    Health care is and will be one of the key issues in the 2008 elections. A number of candidates have already proposed health care plans. A thoughtful analysis of the proposed plans is called for to determine if they are doable, comprehensive and economically feasible. Do these plans actually offer practical and viable approaches for supporting the health of women and children?

    Politicians understand that rising health care costs and inadequate coverage and care are becoming unbearable and a real source of frustration for voters. These politicians want to win votes and therefore make promises that cannot be kept. Instead of supporting a politician, a political party, political rhetoric and political promises that can and will be broken, it is in the public’s best interest to support a national health insurance plan for women and children that is practical, applicable and equitable.

    It is important that the health insurance plan be understandable and make sense. We need to be aware and alert to the reality that we will be presented with political plans built around mathematical complexities and manipulations of language used to hide weaknesses and loopholes, making the promise of the plan unrealistic.

    Simply put, there are simple solutions.
    Simply put, America generates enough economic wealth to provide health care.
    Simply put, for the women and children of america
    Simply put, it is in the complications and complexities that the truths get hidden.
    Simply put, any health care plan should be easy to understand.

    The Plan Congress Has:
    Members of Congress have a health care plan called the Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan (FEHBP). FEHBP currently covers nearly 10 million federal employees, including over 1.9 million retirees. FEHBP gives enrollees over 200 health care plans to choose from, and lets them pick the solution that best fits their needs. Premiums vary, but for the most part, the federal government pays for approximately 75% of the cost with the beneficiary responsible for the remaining 25%.

    The plan provides a wide variety of benefits to its enrollees. Certain benefits are part of every health care plan competing for business in FEHBP, including coverage for hospital and surgical care, ambulatory patient care, obstetrical examinations, and prescription drugs. In addition, every employee is covered fully in any plan he or she chooses without limitations regarding “pre-existing conditions”.

    What you can do:
    Now is a good time to make a distinction between illusion and reality.

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    CGNo Gravatar says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GWNsnbnovQ&feature=player_embedded#

    “Our intention is to prioritize healthcare insurance for the women and children of America, to make sure their needs are met while the existing
    Chaos around Healthcare insurance gets sorted out, into some type of coherency. This is a first step.

    Our attitude is women and children first.
    Any culture that does not protect the interests of the women and children is not really a culture.
    We ask that the men and women of America prioritize National Healthcare Insurance for the women and children as a first step.

    We are human beings. It is time for us to recognize that we are human beings.

    As human beings, we have intelligence and it is through this intelligence that we manifest our power.

    As human beings, how we use our intelligence to perceive reality dictates how we will use the power of our intelligence.

    As human beings, we have a responsibility to use the power of our intelligence clearly and coherently.

    As human beings, we find ourselves in a dimensional reality where we feel powerless to deal with the various situations we find ourselves in.

    As human beings, it is time to take responsibility for the power of our intelligence and use the power of our intelligence to think clearly and coherently and create solutions to the problems we are confronted with.

    Simply put, as human beings, we are asking the human beings to think.

    The women in our lives – grandmothers, mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, aunts, nieces and cousins – are what make us whole as human beings.

    They are the life bringers, physically and spiritually carrying us from the past, through the present and into the future.

    To show appreciation and thankfulness to the creator it is important to protect the sacred feminine.”

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    Good, it sounds like Bachman will lose an election for another term. I for one will donate to getting her out and a Democrat in. She almost lost her last election.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-06/bringing-down-bachmann/2/

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    oops, my last link will take you to page 2 of the article, sorry.

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    ryllyNo Gravatar says:

    I’d really like to know what a Pie Spy is supposed to be? And as a service for the elderly, it doesn’t sound at all logical. That Scarah would be doing anything for the elderly after she totally failed them in her administration is laughable.

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    It sounds like the Dems still lack enough votes, Moveon is asking for volunteers to call numbers they provide and read a script.

    http://pol.moveon.org/pac/ndhealth/call/start.html?id=17833-14873239-9ZD8XHx&t=2

    “Speak to whoever answers.

    “Hi. My name is _____ and I’m a volunteer with MoveOn.org Political Action.

    “I’m calling about health care reform because the big vote in the House of Representatives is tomorrow, but Democrats don’t yet have the votes to win. We have to win this vote. Representative Henry Cuellar (QUAY-are) is a key swing vote. And we’re hearing that Congress is getting lots of calls opposing the bill.

    “So we’re asking every MoveOn member in the district to drop what they’re doing right now, call Representative Cuellar and urge him to vote yes on the House health care reform bill. With your permission I’ll have our automated system call you right now and connect you directly to Representative Cuellar’s office, OK? “

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    honestyinGovNo Gravatar says:

    ” Say No to Palin “…. The Daily Beast story you posted pointed out that Bachman won by only 2% points last time. Then… she had a sitting GOP Governor and a Senator ( Coleman ) that she could hide behind and get support of. Not sure how popular Pawlenty is anymore. All that 2012 talk and all. Coleman.. GONE!

    Senator Franken will be there big time supporting the Democratic ticket to talk to the voters and point out all of the stupid inane things she has been doing and suggesting. He could be Minnesota’s own Homegrown John Stewart mocking and pointing out the idiocy. He’s a comedian…. and he’s good at it. He’s NOT afraid of anyone either. He’s shown that already in the Senate. I don’t think she can hide anymore behind someone else’s skirt now.
    Hmmm.. Coleman in a skirt…. that’s not a pretty thought.

    And you KNOW Palin will be endorsing Her. NY-23…. all over again..?

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    Say No to Palin in PoliticsNo Gravatar says:

    Come on Mudpups, don’t let Michelle Bachmann cult tea baggers ruin our chances for health care. They’re doing their best to ‘scare our congresspeople. She’s got these people on a rampage, the vote is tomorrow, they want this victory!

    Please get on the phones, do what you can to ask for this bill to pass and show your support. You know how rabid these people are, you know they are flooding calls in.

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    leenie17No Gravatar says:

    #37 aussiegal77
    It’s just so easy for bigots to point the finger and single out large sections of the nation for backlash.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    I particularly worry about the other members of the military who happen to be Muslim, have Muslim-sounding names or look Middle Eastern. You know there will be many small-minded people who will assume that they are actually terrorists secretly planted into our military?

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    CGNo Gravatar says:

    # 68 “They’re doing their best to ’scare our congresspeople.”

    Important question – why do we have congresspeople that are that stupid?

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    jc in coNo Gravatar says:

    #49 Ok Buff, fess up you’ve been ghostwriting winky’s facebook comments for her, haven’t you? #48 say no, no they reported he had been killed last night and then reported he had been shot numerous times but had survived.

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    BuffaloGalNo Gravatar says:

    jc in co @ 71 – I won’t admit a thing. However, entirely dismiss the sound of footsteps behind you after dark. It has nothing to do with you. Reeeally.

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    honestyinGovNo Gravatar says:

    If you don’t follow “Margaret and Helen” s blog you need to. They tell it like it is and hold nothing back. AKM has it linked over there on the right>>>>>

    Helen weighed in on many subjects this month. Rush, Rick Perry, and the way the 24 hrs news is reported. She mentioned Sarah a couple of times. Here is just one of the Gems.
    ——————-
    “Sarah Palin wrote a book. It was co-authored by a million monkeys on a million typewriters.”

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    AKPetMomNo Gravatar says:

    Anyone lurking that will be at Mudstock Valley tomorrow?