to add your voice…this weekend there are candlelight vigils being held world wide…avaaz.com…you can go to that site…see on the map if one is being planned near you….if not…gather some folks together, get some candles, and add your voice

hopefully all will hear our voices loud and clear…save our planet

nanceindallas/beth: It’s common for people to get a little confused about baseline (without humans) climate variation and the effect of humans on climate. Beth has laid it out. (1) Yes, there was climate variation before humans, and those forcing functions continue to exist. (2) There is overwhelming evidence that an anthropogenic contribution to global warming exists. (3) The global climatic trend over the last few centuries has been warming (legitimate scientists like Lenzen admit this is true).

The conclusion that some folks have trouble accepting is that — even if much of the global warming trend is due to non-human sources — the only thing we can do to mitigate it is to reduce (or at least stabilize) the anthropogenic contribution. How high do you want mean sea level to rise?

- god created the planet and the weather

- man can’t change the weather

- so if climate change is real — that implies man changed god’s miracle

and that is apparently just not possible. i had never heard the argument quite that succinctly and it makes perfect sense – admitting to man-induced climate change is an affront to god.

wow. who knew?

then i turned off the radio. silence can be consoling on the road.

Keep fighting the good fight.

But, man. He’s a Bates man. And wears pink shirts and… sperry topsiders!!

Okay… so… he worked for an Independent Maine governor… Langeley?

Maybe this was their plan all along, to let her have her say and then they could slap her down.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/09/AR2009120903860.html

You would think people who could convince themselves, for no compelling reason, that God “wrote” the Bible, would be more sympathetic to scientific evidence right in front of their noses.

What isn’t normal, what is tipping the balance NOW, is that man has done (and is doing) things that are preventing the earth from doing what is normal for the earth to do. The deniers and nay-sayers can’t seem to wrap their minds around that.

I wonder if your sister would understand the issue a bit better if you could compare it to the annual salmon run? Where salmon, as is their natural cycle, return to their place of hatching to spawn [before they die.] They do this year after year after year. Only problem, now, is: many of the rivers that the salmon historically swam up to get to their spawning grounds have been compromised and they can’t get to where they need to go to perpetuate the species. The poor salmon keep struggling to get to where they need to go, but dams, levies, agricultural run-off etc., have made it nigh on to impossible for them to travel those waters to fulfill their natural cycle.

That salmon return to their hatching place to spawn IS normal ~ that they have to ‘fight’ the results of man-made obstacles and changes to get to their hatching place is NOT normal. To be sure, some salmon still make it to where they need to go to complete their cycle, BUT the numbers that are able to, has fallen alarmingly low in the past few decades. This is NOT normal; the decline is a direct result of what man [general] is doing and the impact of that doing.

We can’t keep putting up dams, over-fishing, dumping toxics into the waters, and expect the salmon to NOT be adversely impacted. We can’t keep polluting the air, chopping down trees, and etc. and expect the earth to cycle naturally through its warming and cooling trends, either. It boggles my mind that people cannot (or will not) acknowledge that if you screw up one part of a mechanism, the whole mechanism is thrown out of whack.

So, yeah, climate change IS normal; man throwing monkey wrenches into that ‘normalcy’, however, makes any semblance of the earth’s ‘normal’ moot. beth.