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	<title>Comments on: All I Want for Christmas is Health Care Reform.</title>
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		<title>By: schnauzer</title>
		<link>http://www.themudflats.net/2009/12/20/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-health-care-reform/#comment-158800</link>
		<dc:creator>schnauzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CityKid.  I&#039;m sorry, but to say this bill does more harm than good is just silly and naive TeacherKen says it much better than I ever could, especially at this hour of the day.  http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/22/817832/-Health-Care-BillEugene-Robinson-is-for-it,-even-with-its-flaws

I agree, many dems (and republicans too) have been sadly lacking in guts lately.  Moreso when the patriot act and two wars were authorized with little dissent.  But I can&#039;t see how guts would have helped with health care.  The opposition was simply to united, and we just don&#039;t have the numbers to override a filibuster.  So you do what you have to do to get people on board.  The Rs know that passing a health care bill helps the dems.  They have been desperate to kill it, because killing it all but kills the Obama presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CityKid.  I&#8217;m sorry, but to say this bill does more harm than good is just silly and naive TeacherKen says it much better than I ever could, especially at this hour of the day.  <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/22/817832/-Health-Care-BillEugene-Robinson-is-for-it,-even-with-its-flaws">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/22/817832/-Health-Care-BillEugene-Robinson-is-for-it,-even-with-its-flaws</a></p>
<p>I agree, many dems (and republicans too) have been sadly lacking in guts lately.  Moreso when the patriot act and two wars were authorized with little dissent.  But I can&#8217;t see how guts would have helped with health care.  The opposition was simply to united, and we just don&#8217;t have the numbers to override a filibuster.  So you do what you have to do to get people on board.  The Rs know that passing a health care bill helps the dems.  They have been desperate to kill it, because killing it all but kills the Obama presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: CityKid</title>
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		<dc:creator>CityKid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph Nader hits the nail on the head:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2161-Agent-of-Change.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph Nader hits the nail on the head:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2161-Agent-of-Change.html">click here</a></p>
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		<title>By: CityKid</title>
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		<dc:creator>CityKid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion of the current health care bill is similar to so many others who have been working and calling for health care reform for the last decade:  the current bill - which will only get worse after the House and The Senate iron out their differences - DOES MORE HARM THAN GOOD.  That&#039;s why the few Democrats with any guts have called for the defeat of the bill and most of them have gone to castigate Obama for climbing into the sack with representatives of corporations that currently profit from health care and by doing so Obama and those loyal to him have actively ignored the progressive base that elected him.  Shame on Obama, Shame on The Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion of the current health care bill is similar to so many others who have been working and calling for health care reform for the last decade:  the current bill &#8211; which will only get worse after the House and The Senate iron out their differences &#8211; DOES MORE HARM THAN GOOD.  That&#8217;s why the few Democrats with any guts have called for the defeat of the bill and most of them have gone to castigate Obama for climbing into the sack with representatives of corporations that currently profit from health care and by doing so Obama and those loyal to him have actively ignored the progressive base that elected him.  Shame on Obama, Shame on The Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: schnauzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>schnauzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the Rs so united that none dare vote against the party line and a sizable number of Ds willing to put something ahead of health care... i.e. loyalty to insurance company lobbeists, loyalty to their bishop, minister, or RtL chapter, I think this was the best that we could do right now.  I would love a single payer, or robust public option... Hell, just let everyone aged 55 or 60+ buy in to medicare, even make medicare available to these folks for free if they will retire and free up a job for a younger unemployed person who wants to work, or...

Anyway, lots of things I would have liked were never going to make the bill given the way things are in congress now.  I wish we could find a dozen sane R&#039;s in the senate and convince them to help the American people out so we wouldn&#039;t have had to compromise with the likes of Leiberman, Nelson, et. al., but I&#039;m not convince there are a dozen sane R&#039;s left in the country, still yet in the senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Rs so united that none dare vote against the party line and a sizable number of Ds willing to put something ahead of health care&#8230; i.e. loyalty to insurance company lobbeists, loyalty to their bishop, minister, or RtL chapter, I think this was the best that we could do right now.  I would love a single payer, or robust public option&#8230; Hell, just let everyone aged 55 or 60+ buy in to medicare, even make medicare available to these folks for free if they will retire and free up a job for a younger unemployed person who wants to work, or&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, lots of things I would have liked were never going to make the bill given the way things are in congress now.  I wish we could find a dozen sane R&#8217;s in the senate and convince them to help the American people out so we wouldn&#8217;t have had to compromise with the likes of Leiberman, Nelson, et. al., but I&#8217;m not convince there are a dozen sane R&#8217;s left in the country, still yet in the senate.</p>
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		<title>By: strangelet</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@32 A fan from CA:

You&#039;re dead right that it ain&#039;t over yet.  Unfortunately, history tells us that in conference (1) the Senate usually prevails, and (2) bills usually get watered down to the lowest common denominator.  Now, neither of these are &lt;i&gt;absolutes&lt;/i&gt;, but I&#039;ll be happy if the final bill isn&#039;t any worse than the current Senate bill (which, BTW, I don&#039;t much like).

It is, of course, true that Congress &quot;writes legislation&quot;.  However, Congress is a relatively disorganized bunch.  For at least the 20th (21st) Century, significant legislation has been prompted and marshaled by the executive branch.  The Senate&#039;s Health Care Gang of Six Bozos was an uncommon approach to drafting critical legislation.  In my opinion, it was a terrible idea -- it gave the control of the fundamental legislative bottleneck to a group that collectively represent 3% of the national population.  

It was the President&#039;s idea, but to me it was still a bad one.  Now, I know that he&#039;s a smart person (although if his IQ is really 142, I may have him by a couple points), and I&#039;m willing to consider a certain amount of belief in &quot;11-dimensional chess&quot;.  But the thing about any-dimensional chess is that eventually there are exchanges and results, and the results are what count.

It may be that the final result of the Health Care bill will be exactly what Team Obama calculated was possible to achieve.  They will no doubt feel good about that, and, hopefully, so will I.  However, unless something extraordinary happens in conference (go, Nancy), I will continue to believe that the final result could have been significantly better if the Administration had been willing to risk a bit of its &quot;political capital&quot;.

Why can&#039;t we have 5-dimensional hold &#039;em?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@32 A fan from CA:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re dead right that it ain&#8217;t over yet.  Unfortunately, history tells us that in conference (1) the Senate usually prevails, and (2) bills usually get watered down to the lowest common denominator.  Now, neither of these are <i>absolutes</i>, but I&#8217;ll be happy if the final bill isn&#8217;t any worse than the current Senate bill (which, BTW, I don&#8217;t much like).</p>
<p>It is, of course, true that Congress &#8220;writes legislation&#8221;.  However, Congress is a relatively disorganized bunch.  For at least the 20th (21st) Century, significant legislation has been prompted and marshaled by the executive branch.  The Senate&#8217;s Health Care Gang of Six Bozos was an uncommon approach to drafting critical legislation.  In my opinion, it was a terrible idea &#8212; it gave the control of the fundamental legislative bottleneck to a group that collectively represent 3% of the national population.  </p>
<p>It was the President&#8217;s idea, but to me it was still a bad one.  Now, I know that he&#8217;s a smart person (although if his IQ is really 142, I may have him by a couple points), and I&#8217;m willing to consider a certain amount of belief in &#8220;11-dimensional chess&#8221;.  But the thing about any-dimensional chess is that eventually there are exchanges and results, and the results are what count.</p>
<p>It may be that the final result of the Health Care bill will be exactly what Team Obama calculated was possible to achieve.  They will no doubt feel good about that, and, hopefully, so will I.  However, unless something extraordinary happens in conference (go, Nancy), I will continue to believe that the final result could have been significantly better if the Administration had been willing to risk a bit of its &#8220;political capital&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we have 5-dimensional hold &#8216;em?</p>
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		<title>By: nswfm</title>
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		<dc:creator>nswfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42 Strangelet, the site for misheard lyrics &quot;kissthisguy&quot; is a favorite of mine. People should check it when they need to laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42 Strangelet, the site for misheard lyrics &#8220;kissthisguy&#8221; is a favorite of mine. People should check it when they need to laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Say No to Palin in Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say No to Palin in Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nekolibrarian, hugs to you......it&#039;s a sad time for some in religious communities. They want to be part of a flock, spiritually led and nourished, but they want their cake too. I am so sorry. Basic needs should always be met, especially here in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nekolibrarian, hugs to you&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s a sad time for some in religious communities. They want to be part of a flock, spiritually led and nourished, but they want their cake too. I am so sorry. Basic needs should always be met, especially here in America.</p>
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		<title>By: strangelet</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@30 Mo:  &quot;&#039;Scuse me, while I kiss this guy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@30 Mo:  &#8220;&#8216;Scuse me, while I kiss this guy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: flex gunship pailn</title>
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		<dc:creator>flex gunship pailn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eddie burke it&#039;s hard work to stay blood spitting  mad all the time .it must suck to be you .me I don&#039;t have the time. i&#039;m  liveing the dream babe .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eddie burke it&#8217;s hard work to stay blood spitting  mad all the time .it must suck to be you .me I don&#8217;t have the time. i&#8217;m  liveing the dream babe .</p>
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		<title>By: Moose Pucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose Pucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta start somewhere.  So, it&#039;s a start.  

And a lesson learned.

We need more good Democrats in the Senate.

Lisa, you have been no help whatsoever on this very important issue for Alaskans.  Harry Crawford, your turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta start somewhere.  So, it&#8217;s a start.  </p>
<p>And a lesson learned.</p>
<p>We need more good Democrats in the Senate.</p>
<p>Lisa, you have been no help whatsoever on this very important issue for Alaskans.  Harry Crawford, your turn.</p>
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