Palin v. Johnston – Let the Circus Begin
Here we go again… The worldwide media circus once again has Wasilla Alaska as its third ring.
Tripp Johnston (son of Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston) just celebrated his first birthday and already the Palin name has brought the spotlight upon his little head. His two 19-year old parents are now involved in a custody dispute that will be open for all the world to see, despite efforts by Bristol Palin to keep names confidential and records sealed.
Johnston’s attorney Rex Butler said in response to Palin’s request:
Embarrasing facts sometimes present themselves in cases involving custody. If the legislature chose to make any trial involving embarrasing facts subject to closure, nearly all the domestic violence hearings in this state would be sealed and private. This case presents a custody case with similar facts that attend open cases every day in the Alaska Court System. The plaintiff has failed to meet the test for either closure or the use of pseudonyms or a protective order and has not identified an evidentiary basis upon which to find closure necessary under a privilege rationale or for any other reason.
Palin argued that the records should remain sealed and names withheld in order to protect the one-year old. Her attorney, Thomas Van Flein (yes, the same one representing Sarah Palin) says that the baby’s “privacy interests” should be protected.
Johnston said, in a sworn statement:
“I know that public scrutiny will simplify this matter and act as a check against anyone’s need to be overly vindictive, aggressive or malicious, not that Bristol would ever be that way, nor that I would. But her mother is powerful, politically ambitious and has a reputation for being extremely vindictive,” Johnston said in his affidavit. “So, I think a public case might go a long way in reducing Sarah Palin’s instinct to attack.”
Johnston said he didn’t want to hurt or embarrass his son — or Bristol. He thinks Sarah Palin, not Bristol, is acting with “sheer malice,” Butler wrote in a court filing.
Yow.
Bristol Palin says that her mother whose lawyer she retains, and in whose house she lives ”is not involved in this case except as a grandmother.” She states that she believes Johnston is doing this for his own self-promotion because he might be filming a reality TV show in Alaska.
Like this isn’t already a reality TV show.
The judge sided with Johnston and the case will now be open to the public. And we won’t have to scratch our heads wondering about the oh-so secret identities of Jane Doe of Wasilla represented by Thomas Van Flein, and John Doe of Wasilla represented by Rex Butler in a custody case. That would be almost as difficult as trying to figure out who that woman on the beach was with Todd, Piper and Trig, wearing the McCain visor with the name blacked out.
While you get your warm bag of circus peanuts ready, you can read the article in the Anchorage Daily News with links to .pdfs of all the court documents HERE. You may also want to find your rubber rain poncho and get it on fast because we can expect the heads of pro-Palin bloggers to be exploding in 3… 2… 1…
…and here I was, going thru withdrawal symptoms because there wasn’t anything happening for the last several days at the Palin Circus Arena….whew! Thought I was gonna be drama free until the New Year ….hehehehhe!!
With my second cup of tea this morning, I feel like engaging in a little tinfoil-hattery, so here goes.
tinfoil hat/on
1) Tripp was actually born sometime early in Jan. 2008 but the Palin’s told Bristol and Levi to say he arrived on Dec. 27 (or 28th) so that they (B & L) could get PFD for him for 2007. This was back when Mom & Dad Palin still liked – or at least tolerated – their potential son-in-law. I think this is what he “has on her” – or one of the things.
tinfoil hat/off
2) Levi found out what whackjobs the Palin’s really were and tried to distance himself from them but Bristol could not “out” her own family and the pressure was too much – she and Levi had to split.
3) Bristol only decided she wanted full custody AFTER Levi started having some financial/media success. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ……….
4) If it really was completely all Bristol’s idea to seek full custody of Tripp and call him a Palin, I will eat several of my hats, tinfoil or otherwise.
5) How can you possibly make a claim that the person you are sharing a lawyer with (your mother) is not “involved” in the case? And shouldn’t Van Flein recuse himself if it’s important to his client to see to it that that statement is in fact true and STAYS true?
6) What earthly reason is there Bristol to seek full custody?
7) Still waiting for WAR, the non-Attorney General, to come running to Levi’s aid, as I thought it was his specialty to defend dad’s rights in these kind of cases.
9) I am so thrilled the judge did not let this proceeding stay under wraps! Bugs like to wiggle back under rocks rather than have their squirming be seem in the light of day. Squirm, baby, squirm!
And who knew that an 8 followed by a close parenthesis results in a small yellow happyface?
I do now!
Good luck, Levi.
Depose sarah. She is up to her baggy knees in this matter.
Sarah is behind this 100%. She choose this venue to get even with Levi for his remarks about the family as he seeks “fame and fortune” through his association with her. So much for the “props” she surrounds herself with to fool her fans
She created this monster by pretending that all was well within the bounds of that dysfunctional family by her quest for power and the result is that two 19 year olds, who should be enjoying their youth, are caught up in circumstances that are beyond them.
Let’s hope he spills the beans about the truth that is Sarah Palin. She is one vindictive witchface who will even stomp on a kid to get even. My pity is reserved for Bristol who has to cope with single parenthood while having to depend on Sarah and Todd to help support her.
The actual birthdate might have to be part of the court record since it is one of the few facts of the case.
And BRAVO to Rex and Levi for stating the truth; Palin is involved and must be muzzled.
And there is no reason to keep Levi from his son. Bristol is no angel and we have the My Space pages as proof, thanks to Audry at PalinsDeceptions.
I find it hard to believe that Van Flien is an incompetent a lawyer as this filing makes him out to be. I mean, a 9-day LATE filing which blows the whole thing wide open to public scrutiny, using a FAKE twitter account for information, screenshots of TMZ, Alec Baldwin/Kim Bassinger as examples? Family law isn’t his speciality and it shows. I’m sure Alaska is full of some very GOOD lawyers that Bristol could have gone to. But, once again, this shows that Grandma is calling the shots and paying for the lawyer.
Bristol needs to wise up, and FAST.
If there’s any question about Palin’s vindictiveness, they can always introduce her book as evidence.
I have to call out the sexism here. Supposedly it is ok for Sarah and Bristol to seek fame and fortune but, it is just terrible for Levi to so. Why?
The reason for an open trial is obvious. Sarah has acted like a tin-cup dictator of everything in the North. Appointing many people, including judges, to office. And of course there is Troopergate, the abuse of power in which both Sarah and the first Dude acted vindictively, trying to ruin the career of their ex brother in-law over another custody battle.
Ok MSNBC just had some guy on form Politico. According to him Sarah Palin wants to stay away from this as far as possible and the Layer is Bristol’s not Sarah’s LOL…….Poor innocent Sarah Palin has nothing to do with this and Levi is just a publicity hound.
This will get interesting i’m sure
Palin? Vindictive? LOL. Was anyone expecting anything else?
Sorry, but not sure what is meant by PDF in the post by Terpsichore at 4:13am. Maybe it is payments from the government but not certain.
I have to call out the sexism here. Supposedly it is ok for Sarah and Bristol to seek fame and fortune but, it is just terrible for Levi to so. Why?
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When chicks do it it’s cute and sexy. When Levi does it it’s porn.
Yesterday I discovered Gryphen had written about this late Sunday night and that a commenter on Bree or Palingates had accidentally discovered the court docs when she was looking for court docs on Track, then this all exploded. Quite interesting!
Too bad Scarah couldn’t keep this all under wraps and crucify and bloody poor Levi behind closed doors. Thank goodness the Judge is doing the right thing and not kissing her rear end like so many others do in AK.
She so deserves to a public flogging for all her lying, stealing and cheating on the citizens of Alaska.
So, how independant is Bristol? how many times has she made money off pics and stories of Tripp? how cooperative has she been in letting Levi see his son? wasn’t shortly after the slit that Levi went on national tv BECAUSE he was allowed to see his son? it’s obvious that has been his only way to defend himself against the claws of evil grandmother Scarah.
Clean her clock Judge, expose her for what she is. I hope Levi gets his shared custody then spills the beans on Scarah. Nothing wrong with that but I think he has more class than Scarah has in one of her ruined strands of hair. In fact I hope the Judge makes Bristol pay for Levi’s court costs! That would be more fair, who the heck is making the big stink here? GAH
I forgot to mention, Gryphen has a juicy true story on Scarah about why she dismissed the security detail……bad mother much?
Good one Big Pete! throw her own book at her……
Also too, where is the love Scarah so nervously laughed about on Oprah? when she lied through her teeth that he was welcome and invited to Thanksgiving Dinner. Was Toad fixing the roof of the court house? eh? she lies every time she opens her disgusting mouth.
Me too Deb…I didn’t get what PDF meant either.
I pretty much think this is going to be a swift decision by the judge.
I do feel very sorry for Bristol…. I don’t think at this point she is capable of
supporting herself so therefore stuck with Mommy and Daddy for many years.
Another sad note to all this, Scarah is ultimately responsible for ALL of this being in the public eye.
It’s also sad that through her sick vindictiveness she’s turned Trips mother into a mini me and against Trips father. Shame on her.
PFD – Permanent Fund Dividend
Terp was referring to the permanent fund every Alaskan citizen is due from the state every year, therefore if Trip was born in 2008, he’s entitled to his check. Palins are very much about the money, give me more money, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did lie about when he was born or at lease dream of bringing him early, wonder if she was induced?
Alaska PDF = Alaska Permanent Dividend Fund
What is the Alaska Permanent Fund?
http://www.apfc.org/home/Content/aboutFund/aboutPermFund.cfm
http://www.pfd.state.ak.us/
This is money given annually to every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska. The dividend for 2009 $1305.00.
In 2008 the PDF was a record $3,269. So you can see why it was so important little Tripp was born in 2008. Always follow the $$$.
Now this is getting interesting…. an unidentified female, with blacked out McCain ball cap, was seen in Hawaii with Toad and the Palin children. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more.
I think Terp meant Permanent Fund? You know, the socialist program up there in Alaska where everybody gets to share in the oil profits?
I could be wrong.
Agree Bristol should have to pay Levi’s court costs now that she is the one who has filed for sole custody (like she isn’t acting like she has it already, the little you-know-what).
Perhaps it’ll turn out that Bristol has actually done Levi a favor by filing.
Who in their right mind bothers to read the fawning scribblings of the palin psychophants? It’s like watching brown water flow thru a treatment plant. …
Bristol claims her mother won’t be involved in this case… then why utilize the services of van flea? And why include family concerns in seeking the removal of the case from the light of day? Of course s’error will be involved… that woman wants to control everything.
ring………ring……..ring……….”Hey Bristol !! It’s Playboy , let’s do a pictorial”
Have only read the Petition and can see Sarah’s pawprints all over it. The fact the Twitter account was referred to shows a trail to Sarah as kids these days know each others FB, myspace, twitter.
Page 2 of Petition: Tripp E. Johnston-Palin
Page 9 of Petition: Tripp Palin-Johnston
Seems the Petitioner’s (Bristol) Lawyer is not even consistent in the child’s name.
Tripp benefits from a stable environment — not a transient environment which Bristol and HER FAMILY are providing.
The Palins wouldn’t know the definition of stable environment as they displayed in the campaign and the book tour. To hold Sarah et al as an upstanding display of a caring grandmother/family — Levi/Rex should provide in an Affidavit articles/videos/pictures (dated) of the dragging of a neglectfully dressed child at all hours of the day and night while in the care/presence of Sarah, Todd, Great-grandparents and Great Aunt. That’s the best interest of the child how??? If you neglect your own, why would it be assumed you would care more for someone else’s???
Wow – to compare Bristol & Levi to Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger and to Britney Spears and Kevin Federline. What upstanding role models Van Flien chose for comparison!!
Have to read further in that Bristol supposedly is working two jobs and going to school? Who’s caring for the baby?? Proof that she is working?? Going to school? Two jobs & school – where does that allow for time to care for the baby? It doesn’t – it means someone else is raising him. Income?
Bristol has bought into her Mommy’s BS playbook and it will come back to bite her and deservedly so.
I also notice that the arguments that Van Flea has put forth I have heard before, from the lying lips of Quitty, especially the “p0rn” reference, and the “he’s been on this big media blitz thing so hasn’t seen his son”. Then fails to mention that once he comes back, “they” will not allow him to come see his son. Flea also uses the fake “Levi” Twitters to attempt to show him in a bad light. The thing is, they were FAKE. Again, the truth doesn’t matter.
Maybe Levi’s atty’s can ask Bristol why she agreed to be spokesperson for an organization that includes a picture of a starlet sitting on a toilet with her pants pulled down looking all “come-hither”. I didn’t see Levi posing for anything near that disgusting.
The minute bristol used van flea as her attorney, instead of an experienced family law firm, she showed us all how much the s’error is in control of these filings. i hope the judge clears a wide open path for bristol and levi to work out their issues in a reasonable manner. It takes 18 years for a child to become an adult and that is a long time for these young parents to not get along with each other.
Personally, I would be mortified if my attorney used the examples that were used — especially the fake Levi twitter account.
Looking back at the Oprah interview — palin was lying her butt off about wanting Levi in the family. sorry s’error — the calendar says you feel otherwise — these filings occurred before Oprah.
jerk.
Oprah and Baba Wawa should have Palin back on their shows to explain the lies and distortions she spewed while using them as a public venue to promote her thoroughly debunked piece of fiction. She used them as surely as she uses her children, as she used Trig as an accessory during her fictional Bus book tour.
I’m embarrassed for these women to be so taken in by this charlatan.
You know, even the prospect of Sarah’s downfall can’t make me feel good about this. I’m sure these were two nice young people who were in love once and made a baby. It really shouldn’t be this way. This is such a shame.
13 Paula Says: December 29th, 2009 at 5:50 AM
I have to call out the sexism here. Supposedly it is ok for Sarah and Bristol to seek fame and fortune but, it is just terrible for Levi to so. Why?
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When chicks do it it’s cute and sexy. When Levi does it it’s p0rn.
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No.
When Eva Longoria does it, it’s sexy. When Britney Spears does it, it’s smut.
Levi choose to pose… now he has to face the music. He knew there was a child custody issue but chose to exercise poor judgment in posing. Posing for Vanity Fair woulda been less risky.
I can’t for Levi,
Oneday he is going to give Sarah a kitchen sink. This boy would be pushed to tell it all. And I always see, SP getting nevours everytime she is asked about Levi.
She is always down playing, when she is asked about Levi, she looks nervous.
Go Levi. You have her on you thumb. Good job. I will buy Levi’s book if he wrote one.
I cant wait for Levi.
MY keyboard always gives me that. It does not want me to talk negative about Queen Sarah. Shame
There is an interesting aspect of this that Van Flein seems to have missed. His sole obligation now is to Bristol–he is ethically required to do everything possible to advance her interests. However, those interests may not square with the interests of another existing client–Sarah. For example, it may be in Bristol’s interests to have discovery taken of Sarah but not at all in Sarah’s interests.
For this reason, I cannot imagine any competent lawyer who is remotely versed in the ethical rules accepting this representation. Put aside that Van Flein is “dabbling” in an area that requires specialization. No lawyer who is being objective would have done anything but refer Bristol to a different lawyer who practices regularly in the substantive area of family law.
ADN has comments closed. I wanted to post a response to Bristol, if Scarah is only involved as a grandmother, who is paying for Bristol’s lawyer? only involved as a grandmother is a joke. I bet great grampa Chuck has his fingers just itching to choke Levi, also too.
Well, in Levi’s defense, he did not do The Full Monty and museums in every country in the world have statues which show a whole lot more than Levi did.
Plus, Candies hypocritically pushes abstinence while placing ads for tweens that skirt the fine line of true pornography.
BTW, Britney Spears was a spokesperson and model for Candies. I don’t think Van Flea should have cited that particular custody battle as a shining example of parental sanity.
31 LiladyNY Says: December 29th, 2009 at 6:32 AM
Oprah and Baba Wawa should have Palin back on their shows to explain the lies and distortions she spewed… I’m embarrassed for these women to be so taken in by this charlatan.
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Don’t be. They were looking for ratings instead of truth, honesty and the American way of life. They got exactly what they were looking for.
#39 sauerkraut
Well, yes, when you look at it that way.
Only in America do we get all upset about some dude showing his backside.
The public was outraged at Jacksons nipple, but we have a 50% plus divorce rate, and a bazillion XXX stores (which of course, only liberals visit) and folks having affairs right and left. This whole naked bodies are immoral and smut is a sham from every direction. America is way to uptight.
If Sarah isn’t involved, then who is paying Bristol’s legal bills? I am 100% certain it is Mamma Palin.
Hypocracy. American hypocracy. That’s what is showing through in the Playgirl vs. Candies issue. That whole, I may be fat, but you smoke. I may drink, but you had an affair… whatever. I hope the court can look clearly and ignore all of this non issue stuff and ask, is Levi/Bristol and good and caring parent? Can they offer their child love and a safe dwelling place? The rest should not matter.
We were told at the time Tripp was born that his last name was Johnston, in order to maintain the facade that the young couple was planning to get married. Was that really on his birth certificate? If so, why are they now calling him by a hyphenated last name?
Given the way Bristol was jerking Levi around and denying him access, I never understood why he didn’t file for court-ordered access long ago. Now Bristol is using his lack of access as an excuse for her to be given full custody. I think Levi is a nice kid, but he has allowed his lingering feelings for Sarah’s daughter to cloud his judgement. Bristol is Sarah In Training. Maybe seeing the way she trashes him, his mother, and his sister in her affidavit will finally make him wake up to what he’s dealing with.
I have nothing but contempt for women who use kids as tools in their vindictive little games. The judge ought to take that baby away from the Palins. They are one sick family.
trisha Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 6:53 AM
If Sarah isn’t involved, then who is paying Bristol’s legal bills? I am 100% certain it is Mamma Palin.
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Coffee shop, $8.25 hour, lawyer $175. an hour. I think Bristol is going to need a 3rd job.
Paula, you are a little behind the times. Most lawyers haven’t charged $175 an hour in many years. I’m fairly sure that Van Flein is charging a lot more than that.
Now everyone is going to fact check the .pdf court files! The Palin’s are not very smart are they?! ha ha!
“Ok MSNBC just had some guy on form Politico. According to him Sarah Palin wants to stay away from this as far as possible and the Layer is Bristol’s not Sarah’s LOL…….Poor innocent Sarah Palin has nothing to do with this and Levi is just a publicity hound.”
Politico is nothing more than Sarah’s PR office, it has about as much credibility as her “autobiography”. For reasons that are impossible to understand, some people consider Politico more reliable than Fox, it isn’t.
The alaskan defence fund is for the governor and her families use.
Of course she is no longer Gov. but the fund might well be paying Bristol in some capacity. The Palin tribes greedy little paws and fingers are in every financial pie.
Someone shoud be checking where and how the funds are being dispersed. They were supposed to do an accounting, was it in August, and didn’t.
Bristol say Big Momma is not involved in her little Mini Me drama. Perhaps so Mommie dearest dirty linen can’t be dragged in, or emembarrassing issues raise.
the Judge will most likely tell Big Momma to stay out of it, but can you see $arah not pulling strings of influence, or power?
$175 an hour would be a bargain.
I agree wholeheartedly with Donna @36. Van Flein should have no involvement in this custody matter, period. And, he’s doing a lousy job so far.
What earthly reason is there Bristol to seek full custody?…
desperation on $’arah’s part. Its the only way she can keep him quiet.
TFB!!!!!
$’arah. This time yer done.
Loading up on popcorn…
I hope the judge will be able to wade through all the hype and hypocrisy on both sides to decide what’s best for the child. I’m not sure anyone else has that as their main priority.
Out of the media? Why did Bristol pose with Tripp for PEOPLE MAGAZINE?
46 Seagull Junker Palin Says: December 29th, 2009 at 6:59 AM
Now everyone is going to fact check the .pdf court files! The Palin’s are not very smart are they?!
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What struck me as I read thru the various exhibits attached to van flea’s filings is that many of them are more beneficial to Levi than they are to Bristol. van flea should have brought out the same redaction pen that was used in the yahoo emails obtained by Andree.
51 sjk from the belly of the plane Says: December 29th, 2009 at 7:13 AM
What earthly reason is there Bristol to seek full custody?
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In one word: control.
Unfortunate but fairly typical in custody cases.
Also, too, this is going to bring Troopergate back front and center.
November 4: Palin has her lawyer file for permanent fulltime custody, and tries to have it done secretly.
November 11: Palin tells Oprah that she just might ivite that Levi over for Thanksgiving- because after all he’s part of the family. Hahahah.
Another in Palin’s long series of “lies to nowhere.”
What I found most revealing in Bristol’s “Petitions” is that it ricks with SARAH’S WORD-SALAD! The words were put in her mouth — by her mother! It is so obvious that Sarah Palin, AGAIN, is in full-blown narcissistic-mode; going after Levi, via her grandson TRIPP, attempting to do DAMAGE-CONTROL on herself! I found that Bristol mentioned NUMEROUS times that their requests were to prevent any further embarrassment for the PALIN FAMILY. Concern for “Baby Tripp”…was mentioned MAYBE twice.
Again read Bristol’s statements. Bristol states that TRIPP will not always be an infant, and wants LEVI to CEASE AND RESIST (shut-up-and-sit-down) all media, interviews; and, goes as far to state that Levi COULD NOT WRITE A BOOK! These are not her words (RISQUE, CAPITALIZE, PROGRESS), or thoughts; they are SARAH’S WORD-SALAD!
IMO, I say let Van Flein run with it.
He is so involved with Sarah and listening to her wants and demands such as the Palin ‘secrecy’ shown in all aspects of their lives like the house, T1, ATF, legal fees, etc., that he will miss issues for which Levi may well benefit.
Bristol is a ‘Sarah Mini-Me’. In pics/videos, you can see by her and the other kids’ facial expressions, how they all run ‘hot’ and ‘cold’. I wouldn’t trust any one of these kids. They’ve been trained like ‘parrots’ to talk but don’t turn your back away from them – you have no idea what comes flying from behind.
Just recently, the pic of Willow at the book signing. It was written elsewhere that her facial expression represented she didn’t want to be there. Really? I’d rather look at it as the training of another ‘Mini-Me’ Beeatch. They’ve all been well versed in vindictiveness, ‘class’ levels in their minds, etc.
They all wear their emotions within their facial expressions – you know when they’re PO’d etc. Even Pipper shows it.
I’m not buying into the kids are all ‘nice’ because ‘we want to think that’. Their environment and upbringing speaks volumes. Sarah, Todd, Chuck along with how much exposure do they have to Meg and others.
Bristol wouldn’t let Mercede see Trip the day he was born or thereafter, isn’t that showing excessive and unfair control over shared custody? isn’t that showing an immature judgmental attitude? She’s Levi’s sister and Trips aunt, what factual reason other than dislike and jealousy, would Bristol have to keep Mercede away from her nephew.
I think it’s obvious Bristol has turned on Levi in an irrational emtional way and I’m sure mommy dearest and the whole Palin family is doing there best to help feed the negativity.
It’s really too bad, it didn’t have to be this way. From everything Levi has ever said about Bristol it’s clear he is the more mature of the two and was hoping they could work this out in a fair manner.
Bristol is the one making this into a 3 ring circus, and her family also, too.
It is quite feasible that the grifting ex-Guv conspired to move up Tripp’s date of birth for selfish motivations…but am I missing something here? Is it not illegal in Alaska to falsify documents for financial gain, or otherwise….?
I’ll betcha she now wishes she would’ve blinked, instead of winked!
The court’s ruling to deny all of Van Flein’s motions were probably the REAL reason Sarah cut her Hawii vacation short; also too!
Can you amagine how pissed Sarah was when she got the news; via BLACKBERRY! QUITTER-PANTS-FORMER-ALASKA-GOVERNOR Sarah Palin hasn’t succeeded in pulling-the-strings of this Judge, who sees this drama for what it REALLY IS; like she did for her sister MOLLY! KARMA-baby-KARMA…
Bristol’s affidavit is contradicted by claims made by her own attorneys.
” Bristol’s parents, Todd and Sarah Palin, have shown an active and regular interest in the care and custody of the baby. Any visitation order pertaining to the Palins should allow generous, if not at will, visitation and care, as that is the pattern that is in place, and tat is the pattern that is in the best interest of the baby.”
But Bristol swears otherwise,
“3. My mother, Sarah Palin, is not involved in this custody matter other than as a grandmother, so Levi Johnston has no need to be “protected” from her. This case is between me an Levi; my mother has nothing to do with it.”
MSNBC fur read a statement from a Lisa Hamley ? (not sure of the name, didn’t catch it all) and identified her as Bristol’s Lawyer
Dig out all the disparaging comments Gramma Scarah publicly made against Levi. There are quite a few.
ammo, baby, ammo.
I agree with Crabby Patty. The lawyer, Van Flein has made some mistakes, such as filing nine days late, and using a fake twitter as evidence. Instead of citing case law, he uses the National Enquirer as his legal precedent. I think that the reason Sarah uses VF is because she can USE him. When bloggers repeated rumors of unhappiness in the Palin marriage, VF was ordered by Sarah to send them letters threatening a lawsuit. (He would not send out those letters unless instructed by his client). Sarah tells him what to do, and he does it. Another lawyer would set limits and explain what is and is not appropriate.
What is laughable is that the Palins accuse Levi of being a media sensation. Bristol’s few media appearances fall into exactly the same category. No one would pay any attention to an unwed teen mother advocating for abstinence if she was not the daughter of a former governor. Pot calling the kettle black.
Peace and blessings to Levi and his family. Its hard enough going through child custody without making it a media national event. Of course, what can one expect when associated with Sarah, the Queen of Drama?
“I wanted to post a response to Bristol, if Scarah is only involved as a grandmother, who is paying for Bristol’s lawyer? ”
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I am curious as to if they’ve found a way to illegally ‘tap’ that hidden Alaska Fund Trust to pay Van Flein….and perhaps Bristol collects her paychecks through Pie Spy, LLC?
Please pass the popcorn ~ for NO reality show tops this one!
Dig out those disparaging comments publicly made by Great Grampa Chucky against Levi, along with dragging Levi through the mud with Eddie Smirk on his talk radio show where all of Alaska could hear the smear campaign.
I swear, this is getting more and more like a bad soap opera every day. And this bimbo wants to run for prez? Bottom line is Bristol sound more qualified than she does. Maybe her mom can fake her birth cert so she can run. Now running on the whacko ticket of the year, Bristol/Levi!
Anything for attention from the, “Attention Whore” from Alaska. So the bus tour is over….hmmmm……let’s see how I can once again get into the feeding frenzy of the media. Oh, I know,,,,, I will now manipulate my daughter into a custody battle and once again I can be in the spotlight.
She really is a piece of work. Crazed idget.
I think Levi should be the one taking out restraining orders against the Palin family, perhaps also a defamation of character suit.
Scarah is stupid, stupid, stupid. Does she really want to drag this into a court of law?
perjury, baby, perjury
truth under oath, baby, truth under oath
So let me get this straight.
Palin thinks it’s ok to announce on national TV that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant.
Palin thinks custody cases should be held in secret.
More of that rogueness?
62 twain12 Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:44 AM
MSNBC fur read a statement from a Lisa Hamley ? (not sure of the name, didn’t catch it all) and identified her as Bristol’s Lawyer
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Name is Lisa Hamby
Cynamen Winter Says:
I am curious as to if they’ve found a way to illegally ‘tap’ that hidden Alaska Fund Trust to pay Van Flein….and perhaps Bristol collects her paychecks through Pie Spy, LLC?
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Good question. Was not one of the “funds” set up in a manner that the kids could pull money ?? I want to think it was the fund set up by the real estate woman. This s^*t is so convoluted that I don’t remember what’s what , but I recall that the kids could pull money from one of these cash pots. Help anyone ??
Who was it (some rebiblican stratigist) that said Todd should take Levi to the river and hold his head under until he stops breathing? Has anyone ever heard or seen ANYONE from the Palin family come to Levi’s defense. Guess GOD hasn’t opened that door yet for Sarah!
Say No -
That’s what I’m talkin’ about !! sarah under oath and gettin’ deposed !!
Pseudonyms – hehehe! Van Flein is laughable, illogical and delusional, as if it were Sarah herself directing the writing of the brief.
Wouldn’t it be Levi’s place to request sealed records since he’s the one being accused of unfitness as a custodial parent? That’s assuming this case has any likeness to the Britney and Alec family court battles as cited and Levi needs to protect his image. Nu-uh. The only reason to keep this case under wraps would be to protect Sarah Palin’s mythical image…oh, and Van Flein’s professional reputation.
How ever will Sarah’s fans deal with her outright lie that Levi never lived under her roof?
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#7 terpsichord – 7) Still waiting for WAR, the non-Attorney General, to come running to Levi’s aid, as I thought it was his specialty to defend dad’s rights in these kind of cases.
Good one!
Regarding falsification of the baby’s birth date in order to claim 2008 AK perm. fund dividend: would not the child’s _parents_ (or, more likely, his mother) be the ones guilty of fraud? If so, that’s probably not what Levi “has” on $arah. The dear young fool obviously loves Bristol and wouldn’t do anything to harm her.
And didn’t Grandma Snotty Queen, Governor Quitter of the North also make money selling stories to the media about Levi, Bristol and Trig? wasn’t Scarah the one to call one of them in the middle of the night?
Has anyone ever tried to figure out who set up the fake Twitter account with Levi’s name attached?
Wonder who would do such a thing? Just askin’
Too much mud to sling on both sides. Settle custody issue now! Levi should use this “score” to seek settlement. He has enough $$$ to support the child and seek joint custody. He’ll come out smelling like a rose.
I don’t think Van Flein has to recuse himself if he is the “family” attorney. Levi
What have I been saying? Every three days or so, the Palins manufacture something to stay in the news, even if it’s in the lowly ADN. This, of course has found its way into national celebrity news.
I hope ample repeats of Levi Johnston’s remarks about his ex-future monster, er… mother-in-law are seen in the various national stories.
“I know that public scrutiny will simplify this matter and act as a check against anyone’s need to be overly vindictive, aggressive or malicious, not that Bristol would ever be that way, nor that I would. But her mother is powerful, politically ambitious and has a reputation for being extremely vindictive,” Johnston said in his affidavit. “So, I think a public case might go a long way in reducing Sarah Palin’s instinct to attack.”
They are so very young. I’m sorry for all this. I’m sorry these very personal and painful parental decisions require a judge and the ensuing media circus.
Wasn’t Bristol the one who first put Trig on national tv with Gretta van suck up? Is Bristol really saying Levi is the only one making money in the media via Trip? I think the judge should order them both to leave Trip out of the media spotlight. And being paid for it.
#73 austinx –
Cynamen Winter Says:
I am curious as to if they’ve found a way to illegally ‘tap’ that hidden Alaska Fund Trust to pay Van Flein….and perhaps Bristol collects her paychecks through Pie Spy, LLC?
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Good question. Was not one of the “funds” set up in a manner that the kids could pull money ?? I want to think it was the fund set up by the real estate woman. This s^*t is so convoluted that I don’t remember what’s what , but I recall that the kids could pull money from one of these cash pots. Help anyone ??
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Yes…the kids can get money from The Alaska Fund Trust, Kristan Cole, Trustee…up to $13,000/year. The funds purpose was to cover costs resulting from Palin’s duties as AK governor; however, withdrawals “shall be exercisable only by written notice to Trustee of the amount Donee wishes to withdraw, BUT NO PURPOSE FOR SAID WITHDRAWAL NEED BE SHOWN.” [Sec. 3(a)]
http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/media/
So, it was okay for the Queen of Quit to earn her tuition by showing her skin, but it’s “p0rn” when Levi shows his to earn money to support his baby?
Palin has proven that she does not take action unless she has already cleared the way to assure the result she is after. I hope I am wrong, but I fear that poor Levi doesn’t stand a chance against that regime. The baby is the victim here, and it’s too bad that the Palin’s can’t rise above their petty, vindictive spirit for the sake of the child.
BigPete Says: December 29th, 2009 at 5:40 AM If there’s any question about Palin’s vindictiveness, they can always introduce her book as evidence.
Conversely, we now know why Levi was never mentioned in the book. No doubt on Van Flein’s rather adamant advice. I’ll bet it really grated on SP to follow that advice.
I wonder, though, if Levi/his family law attorney can call on some of the OTHER people SP vilified or lied about in her book to serve as character witnesses to prove that the Palin house would not be an environment Levi would be spoken well of while little Tripp was growing up.
On the other hand. Levi has been consistent in speaking well of Bristol. His sister hasn’t, but he’s not living with her — as Bristol is with those who speak poorly of Levi in her family.
If SP and Toad had custody of Tripp, the situation would be at a stand-off, with the tit-for-tat insults. But they don’t.
I can see the judge awarding primary custody to Levi as long as he lives in a household separate from Sherry and Mercede — or to Bristol if she sets up a household independent of her parents (not in the turreted house in the Palin Compound. Maybe in Palmer, with Willow).
In some of Bristol Palin’s legal papers, “Tripp Johnston” is named as “Tripp Palin”. I don’t know if Alaska law is different from that in other states, but at least in NJ a child legally takes the father’s name. Maybe Levi and Bristol have their own agreement regarding Tripp’s last name, but somehow I doubt it. I’ll bet this is just another attempt at control by the Palin’s and they have their lawyer going along with it.
Tripp’s birth certificate should clear up any issue regarding his legal name.
curiouser -
Thank you for the refresher on Grifter 101. These snowbilly people are unbelievable.
Thoughts about vanFlein:
I think Sarah has dumped him for her personal use but AFT still hasn’t paid all her bills so she’s done it by shuffling him off on Bristol and then the conflict of interest will allow her to avoid him- she’s got classier Washington lawyers now, as long as she stays popular. I imagine that compared to those guys, the devious boy act of vF can’t compete.
Most of what he’s done so far (that we’ve heard of) is get Sarah named Buttercup on TV and threaten to disrupt a kindergarten class.
And so far he hasn’t delivered in the custody filings.
He must have assured Bristol (and Sarah) he had a good chance of getting privacy. So far not.
He tried to show they were deserving of privacy because they were superstars. By failing he has implied they are not superstar enough.
He lost his protest by being nine days late.
He allowed two gross errors in the claim- the faked Levi twitter about pot and the full frontal pics- both of which were well known to be false by the time the filings were made, I think (haven’t checked dates.)
Does he know he’s been dumped?
I keep thinking that palin keeps promoting herself as just an average mom – I know some pretty dysfunctional families but hers takes the cake. I wonder if the court would request a dna test of tripp or would the request have to come from one of the parents? I mean levi may think he is dad, maybe she told him that but she has been quoted as saying she was sexual active … just askin’ … if the dna came back identifing someone else as the father would that just melt all the glaciers in Alaska!
Yes curiouser, as long as KC approves, Bristol sure could use AFT monies to pay her lawyer, presuming there was enough in there.
This also begs the question – if there’s, say, $100, 000 in the AFT and Sarah and Bristol each take $13,000 out of it every year, then, in 4 years, will Willow and Piper be peeved because there’s no more left for them?
And if I was a dad who donated to the AFT, I think I might be really peeved to know my donation was going to pay for a lawyer to keep Levi from having joint custody of his son when there is nothing warranting that custody being taken away in this case.
The name better be straight on his Social Security card.
I haven’t seen one comment yet that considers what is in the best interests of a 12 month old baby. Are we really so vindictive and vengeful that this is about punishing Bristol for her perceived faults rather than looking at what sort of arrangement might be best for this young a child? I hope the judge can step above the parents selfish needs, power-plays and posturing and set out a visitation arrangement that meets the developmental needs of this child in age appropriate ways. Custody litigation tears children apart. Dividing the child in half is not the answer. The word “custody” has several components. There is legal custody, which decides who has decision-making power. And there is physical custody, which sets out the amount of time each parent has with the child. The judge can parcel each of these out in various ways, so Van Flein saying Bristol is seeking “full custody” is rather vague and meaningless at this point.
Molly Says: December 29th, 2009 at 6:31 AM “…Then fails to mention that once he comes back, “they” will not allow him to come see his son. Flea also uses the fake “Levi” Twitters to attempt to show him in a bad light. The thing is, they were FAKE. Again, the truth doesn’t matter.”
It wouldn’t surprise me if one of the Palin minions like Rebecca Mansour or Tim Lindell, or even Sarah/Todd/Bristol, cooked up that fake Levi Johnston Twitter site to undermine/backstab the unsuspecting Levi.
Levi, and the rest of us, are too honest. It’s difficult for us to conceive in advance what a pack of socio/psychopaths are capable of.
Renee99503 makes some good points about custody. Frankly unless the child is in dangered by the Father, I find it strange to ask for sole custody. Levi has expressed an interest in being the father and supporting the baby. He does not seem to be allowed to at the moment.
I think tis is more of a case of removing Levi from the Palin household. If they are successful in sole custody, they can bar him from all visits and events thereby severing his link to the inner sanctum of the Palin Household.
IMHO this is just another mean,petty and vengeful act by SP. She hates that Levi is lawfully allowed to see his child who is living at HER house. I don’t beleive Bristol for a minute that SP has no part in this action. I think Todd and Sarah are the sole instigators of this. Not many mothers would cut there child off from their father without cause. I wonder what argument they will use to tey and have him cut off.
To the Mudflats: Didin’t you get an envelope of photos, wink, wink, you said?
Is there a story coming?
a lawyer is ethically precluded from taking actions against the interests of a former client in a substantially related matter. Since the home life of Bristol (which is at the Palins) is directly related to the custody battle and Van Flein was representing her in threatening people who disparaged that home life, this falls within the test of substantial relationship. If Van Flein can’t ethically represent Bristol, neither can anyone in his firm.
It is NOT in Sarah Palin’s interests to be deposed–because of her lies. It IS in Briston’s interests to show that this is a stable and good environment–which requires Sarah’s testimony.
I don’t know any competent lawyers who would not have referred the case out.
Bristol is a spokesmodel for this company.
http://www.bwgreyscale.com/ads/candies.html
Candies Ads:
1) http://www.bwgreyscale.com/adimg02/adv_0782.JPG
Is that a Male Blow UP Doll in handcuffs with sado masochistic toys strewn
about him? OMG.
2) http://www.bwgreyscale.com/adimg01/adv_0255.JPG
Help me out here. How many condoms are in that cabinet?!!!!!!!
3) http://www.subliminal-messaging.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/candies-image-1.jpg
What’s this look like?
I find it hard to fault Levi for his choice to use his celebrity (and BODY) to profit from his experience with the Palins.
What job could he possibly have gotten that would pay him more than maybe just enough to barely support just HIMSELF…even if he still resided at his mother’s home? It made sense to strike while the iron’s hot and make as much money as possible (’cause you know it ain’t gonna last) to be able to afford to be a part-time custodial dad. At that point in his life, he really had NOTHING else to sell…and the demand was HIGH, gossip mongerers have been salivating over the “hotness” of Levi since day one (like it or not).
His choice was not unreasonable, nor was the actual product porn.
Here’s hoping whatever he got and will get from near-future gigs he will invest in education and/or training for a REAL job. Meanwhile, God bless him.
Lilybart,
I haven’t gone back to verify, but I think the post said that the envelope contained “documents”, not necessarily photos. And AKM said she would not post about it until after the first of the year.
sauerkraut Says: December 29th, 2009 at 6:34 AM Levi choose to pose… now he has to face the music. He knew there was a child custody issue but chose to exercise poor judgment in posing. Posing for Vanity Fair woulda been less risky.
I disagree about which publication would have been more/less “risky” for Levi to pose for, unless you’re merely speaking to their respective (purported) reputations.
I saw nothing revealed in any of the photographs of Levi in Playgirl that wouldn’t or couldn’t be seen on a sunny beach in Hawaii or Florida.
In fact, I’ve seen more on those beaches. Guys wear the skimpiest thongs in black or colors that show their bare butts and frontally, the outline of all their “package” or “goods” is there to be seen by all — some, suspiciously (hm, how can I say this inoffensively?) “living large” as the Enzyte ads like to say…
Lisa Hamby is listed as an “associate” in the law firm of Clapp, Peterson, Van Flein, Tiemessen, & Thorsness, — in other words, she may say she’s Bristol’s attorney (as claimed in the MSNBC video), but she is not a partner in the law firm. So ultimately she takes her marching orders from Van Flein who is the lead attorney of record.
Interesting and a very intelligent reply from Rex Butler to the court on why this case should be kept open for all eyes to see. I think that alone will make the news because of what it says about Sarah. Also of interest in the web site of “Keep Your Head in the Sand”, other wise know as “Team Sarah”, there is only one brief comment of the case with all responses being screened. If this would have been something favorable, their probably would have been 3 or 4 comments with plenty of excited additional responses under each one. Just demonstrates how her ignorant fans perfer to avoid hearing anything bad about their wonderful Sarah. When the press announces this, you can be sure they will condemn the press for “talking about her children” and for only talking about the negitive stuff about Sarah to make her look bad. Isn’t there a psychological term for people like this, who try to avoid hearing anything they don’t want to hear.
I find it interesting that the Bristol complains that Levi is not capable of taking care of thier child. Let’s see: Levi dropped out of school and because of the Palin’s putting him in the spotlight, was unable to get a “regular” job here in Alaska. Instead he did what he could and he’s done it very well. He’s marketed himself (as has S.P.), he’s making money, he has his own place, he is supporting himself, his mother and is sending money to Bristol for Tripp. Now what is Bristol doing? She’s living under her mother’s roof, on her mother’s (and Levi’s) money. Other than the short lived Candie’s sponsorship, has Bristol made any effort to find employment? Has she received her GED yet? Actions speak louder than words for me and all I have seen is a young man thrown to the wolves and instead of putting his arms over his head and getting eaten, he’s pulled out his rifle and is cleaning pelts. The Palin’s better watch out. For all that Levi’s a Wasilla Hillbilly, I think he’s showing that he’s got smarts and guts. And I think more and more Bristol is going to regret, in the long years ahead of her life, how the relationship between them was destroyed.
Donna -
Yup yup. sarah’s worst nightmare is raising that right grubby little claw and swearing to “tell the truth”. You can bet that deposition will be videotaped also. too.
Nice intro. to the case. Thanks!
austintx – you’re welcome!
I’m looking forward to a commentary by that Baldwin Johnson doctor, soon.
There is no disclosure of Bristol’s video interview with Greta with baby appearance; the pictorial interview with People magazine with cover of Bristol and baby; the media shows (whether Today, GMA, etc??) wherein Bristol appeared with the baby) promoting her appointment and appearance for Candie’s Foundation, an arm of Candie’s, which advertises more ‘P or N’ like videos/pictures than Levi’s Playgirl pics.
Seems to be a Palin ‘personality characteristic’ – What I do doesn’t count.
Junk in the trunk
Should Van Flea be making a big deal of Levi’s “showing some skin”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHKdHpyFJLc
I know the Palinbots are reading her at the Mudflats as well as at IM and Palingates and BreePalin, but I sincerely hope Tank Jones or some intern in
Butler’s office is reading these blogs, too, because there are some fine reminders of SP’s past transgressions, Bristol’s behavior preceding Mercede’s comments about her, and information that indicates the timeline is in Levi’s favor, not Bristol or her hateful parents, who have sought publicity and “filthy lucre” far more than Levi ever has.
Comments keep referring to Bristol’s statements in the documents filed with the court. I’m not so sure that those documents say anything about how Bristol feels. This looks like a Sarah job through and through.
Here’s the stuff that really matters on Palin, http://newsaffair.info/?p=216 and matters to show America, http://newsaffair.info/?p=257 not her kid’s custody battle.
Sure, come on over for Thanksgiving Levi – so we can stick this big knife deeply into your back.
Palins- Liars, Hypocrites and Frauds
“My mother, Sarah Palin, is not involved in this custody matter other than as a grandmother, so Levi Johnston has no need to be “protected” from her. This case is between me an Levi; my mother has nothing to do with it.”
Ok, Britol, honey, do you really expect anyone to believe THAT? I would only buy that if you were living in your own apartment or house with a full time job to pay your own bills.
Once again I find myself thinking that the whole Palin family is nuts. If Bristol is living at home on her parents’ dime, while Levi is out there earning money and trying to make a career for himself (whether it’s the best choice or not really isn’t the issue as long as it’s all legal). Hearing Bristol and Levi talk about anything, Levi comes out sounding the smartest and most grounded and responible. I think he’s very wise to make sure this is public, given the vindictive history of both Sarah and Todd.
And really, Bristol, at age 19, living at home is able to pay for a lawyer for a custody battle? I can hear it now in the Palin household: “We’re paying all your bills and we don’t want Levi around so you’ll do what we say, Bristol, honey.”
But for the question of Tripp, it’s not in his best interest that any of this is happening. That was Bristol’s doing (probably insisted upon by her mother). It doesn’t sound to me like she has any reason to cut Levi out of custody of Tripp except it takes away any control he might have and limits his accessibility to his son. So, in this sort of case, is there any chance the judge would take custody away from both parents and place him in foster care instead? They are both only 19 and that is so very young to be raising a child.
I wish them all the best and hope they can come to some sort of fair resolution without dragging all this through the circus of the courts and the media. That will follow that poor little boy the rest of his life, whether his last name is Palin or Johnston. Bristol should have thought of that before she started this whole thing.
Should Van Flea or Bristol be making a big deal of Levi’s media ambitions later being an embarrassment to Tripp. How about his media-whore, and national disgrace, grandmother Sarah Palin?
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-sarah-palin-sex-doll-now-on-sale/
Say No to Palin in Politics Says: December 29th, 2009 at 7:52 AM “Dig out those disparaging comments publicly made by Great Grampa Chucky against Levi, along with dragging Levi through the mud with Eddie Smirk on his talk radio show where all of Alaska could hear the smear campaign.”
For that matter, Levi’s attorney can dig up the video of Pat Buchanan on “Morning Joe” @ MSNBC asserting “Well, first, with regard to Levi, I think First Dude up there in Alaska, Todd Palin, ought to take Levi down to the creek and hold his head underwater until the thrashing stops.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/13/pat-buchanan-todd-palin-o_n_230441.html
Interestingly enough — speaking of who’s a walking talking reality show, one of the talking heads on that MSNBC show said immediately after, “That’s a reality show, right there.”
So, it’s hypocritical for Bristol Palin to assert that it’s not in Tripp’s best interest if Levi participates in an Alaskan reality show, particularly since I believe I read somewhere that Levi said it’s going to be more outdoorsy than “real housewives” (maybe the Palin women are DISAPPOINTED about that!).
hate to see this happen to the lil guy. under normal circumstances….joe and jane doe would have this done without the media……. but thanx to grandmommy sarah……..let the three ringed circus begin!
Interesting:
Just as the custody case comes to light – So does Meg!
Meg – The Named Levi Attack Dog acting on behalf of Sarah!!
How convenient Meg – you surfaced right at this moment considering all the months you have been forced to shut up by HC.
When will your next attack be forthcoming Meg?
Yea — we all have your number and it’s up. You may as well pack up and go home again as it didn’t work before and won’t in the future.
BigPete -
Dang , sarah’s booty does look a little wide………
And let’s not forget the talent segment……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvp7woNA9gw
Hmmm they are supposedly worried about Levi helping to support Tripp, but they suspect he’s going to be in a reality show? Don’t those two things contradict each other? And doesn’t spending a bunch of money on lawyers for a custody fight also fly in the face of doing what’s best for Tripp? Why not get a good mediator and work things out between you without outside interference? I can recommend Chris Rose in Palmer. Used him for my own divorce.
A custody fight may also bring up Bristol’s drug and alcohol use documented on her myspace page and by many acquaintances and paint a not so pretty picture of her. Then there is her driving record. And the Palin theme that rules are for everybody else, not for us.
Waste of time and money…. just for revenge. Not worth it.
I wonder … if Bristol can ask the court to insist Levi never leave Tripp with HIS mother (unsupervised) out of concern for the child’s safety (her being the druggie and convicted felon and all – no offense meant to Sherry but that is how she is being painted), could Levi not insist on a similar ruling, that Bristol never leave Tripp with HER mother, unsupervised, and use the tons of video footage of how Sarah handles Trig, and how she takes him out in the cold without pants, and bring up the old no-car-seat incident, and Gryphen’s latest “leave ‘em in a running car for 45 minutes while ya go party” and keeping Piper particularly out of school, and … and … and …. anything else you can think of that would suggest leaving Tripp alone with Sarah is at least as dangerous as leaving him alone with Sherry?
Betcha that would frost somebody’s Wheaties.
Actually, I think it’s a houseload of Frosted Flakes up in the Wasilla Compound today.
And poor Sarah can’t reply, because if she does, she proves Levi correct about her influence and also will show her daughter for lying in a legal document.
Oh, and renee@92, yes, we could all express more concern for the little one. But one could make a very good case that growing up in the Palin home might not be in Tripp’s best interest (from an emotional health standpoint) and that Levi should have sole custody! Certainly a court battle is not in Tripp’s best interest, but, to be childish, “she started it!”. She could simply have asked Levi to have his lawyer work with her lawyer to get a joint custody agreement all worked out and signed, but she did not. That would also have effectively kept it out of the media as well (lawyers embattled in custody case = interesting; lawyers working together for clients’ mutual interest = boring)
I believe Sarah is trying to negotiate a court deal that prevents Levi from publishing his tell-all book.
Rick Says:
Why not get a good mediator and work things out between you without outside interference?
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BINGO !!
Now we know the answer to all our questions as to why Meg Stapletongue appeared to be missing this last month or so:
She has been busy taking dictation from Sarah, and compiling all the dirt she can on Levi (“exhibits”) from Sarah’s library of journals and tabloid scrapbooks, for Van Flea!
As I said yesterday, winky is about to meet her waterloo. She should just sit down and shut up. The flood gates are getting ready to burst open. Once again she is her own worst enemy. Her quest for face time will eventually destroy her. Her life path becomes more and more similar to that other fraud from years past, Aimee Semple McPherson, another arrogant fool that didn’t know when to keep her mouth shut.
I don’t think Levi is too anxious to tell all he knows. He has told others, and they have advised him to keep it close to his vest as a trump card if need be.
Its my theory that little by little stuff will leak out about $arah, even with this little court case, for example Bristols medical history, her sources of income.
If they continue to smear the Johnstons, the Johnstons will retaliate. I think Mercedes is just bursting to do so, but keeps her mouth shut on advice from Rex, so as not to turn over the apple cart.
Rex has handled this affair better than $arah and van Flea
Good luck to Levi with his reality show..
He is playing his cards well with Rex and Tanks help.
Who is on the cover of Playgirl June 1998? Brad Pitt. So – for those who assert that Levi’s Playgirl (NOT P ORN!) exposure is going to work against him, ask yourself this: Would this also hurt Brad Pitt if he and Angelina divorce? Of course not.
I suspect that Miss Wasilla is SHOCKED that she did not get her way (re the court records being sealed). This is a major setback for her political clout. She is a tabloid queen and nothing more – and this is exactly where she belongs.
Hooray for Mudflats!
Van Flein has got to love that cash cow of a family he represents!
Who cares if Levi’s fake twitter account is used in a court filing. Unless you can charge hourly for the use… Me thinks the Palins won’t get it for a long long time.
Van Flein is grining all the way to the bank. He just paid for his Christmas with all the filings on Christmas Eve!
Van Flein thinking: hummm, I got staff keeping tabs on all the Levi media coverage and I gotta pay for it somehow…. how can I get my paws on the Alaska Trust Fund !…. Oh, I know that weed-Levi tweet would really rub Sarah. Yep, that is a billable couple of hours…
As usual, Sarah does not think of the future consequences of her actions. Levi has said more than once that he has dirt of the Palin family, enough to sink Sarah once and for all. Knowing that, one would think that Sarah would be a little bit more careful in the way she (and her lawyers) are attacking Levi. If he loses in court, and can never see Tripp, he has no reason to keep the Palin secrets.
The logical way to keep Levi’s silence is to allow him to be part of a 50/50 custody arrangement. That way, Sarah is, in effect, insuring his silence because he would not want to disturb the status quo.
Sarah (and Bristol) are in full out “win” mode, and if that is their thinking, then in the long run, they will lose big time. Levi is in a position to damage both Sarah’s earning capacity and appeal to her “family values base.” The way I see it, the bigger the “win” for Sarah now, the bigger the lose for Sarah in the long term.
$’error likely just smelled money when Levi got the Playgirl gig.
That ‘Little ol Barnum & Baily Act ‘ that traveled around for years had NOTHING compared to THIS Show.
Lions and tigers and bears… Oh MY!!
With S’arah being the ‘ Diva ‘ that she is… she is playing the part of EVERYONE. She is Onstage now. Get out of her way.
And if you think those TMZ reporters/paparazzi were able to get in a few extra Holiday days there for X-mas ( after Hawaii)… THAT vacation is OVER!
Those guys will have a permanent room booked at the ‘ Great Western on Lake Lucille ‘ now. Maybe they will be renting out a whole floor..? The Good rooms will be disappearing fast.
( Good boost for the economy though.. ” it’s all about job creation ..” )
BTW : If you are a paying visitor at the hotel…. Are you allowed on the roof to take some pretty landscape photos ( with a HUMONGOUS telephoto lens ) of the beautiful AK ‘ surroundings ‘ ( House two doors down the street )to send back to your Family… cough… cough….Office workers back Home?
How is the view in THAT Hotel..?
When going through the Arizona Republic on-line noon news update, I came upon the AP article they picked up. I think, sadly, this story has major “legs”.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/29/20091229PalinBattle29-ON.html?source=nletter-news
I have not visited peeeland in a long time, however I could not resist to check it out , and wouldn’t you know that Obama is in on this , Rex is Obama henchman. Also Levi insisted on this being publicized instead of putting his sons interest first. Now I need a stiff drink. I guess they are wired differently and not blinking.
Saw this post on another site. The only comment was:
Jer’ry, Jer’ry, Jer’ry.
I expect that’s how this will play out in the coming months.
It is truly unfortunate that Bristol cannot do what is in the best interest of her child. This child deserves to be with both of his parents. His family is no more crazy than hers. She will create a tremendous amount of animosity if she seeks to gain sole custody by denigrating the father of her child. People who do this want to win the final battle of the relationship. If they put the child’s interests first, they would never hurt the other parent just to win control.
De Ja Vu! Have gone thru 2 custody battles with 2 of our children. Ironically, both of the x-spouces had psychological disorders, much worse than this family! None of this hyperbole will matter in the outcome. The judge WILL decide what is best for the CHILD, not what the parents or grandparents think it should be. Trig does not appear to have any mental disabilities as say, Trig has, and he will be able to figure it out on his own as he ages and grows intellectually….he will figure it out on his own, who really cares about him! (Track?) He will love/hate them both as he watches them respond to his needs over the years. As we all have observed over this wild ride with the Palin family, it is indeed dysfuntional. Unfortunately, we have all been witnesses to this debacle. Unless this judge has been living under a rock, she too is aware of how this will effect this childs life. She will use any and all outside authority to see that this child will be protected by the law and have as normal a childhood as he can. No amount of money or notoriety will change her mind to do what is right. However, the money-loving lawyers will try to drag it on to infinity to line their pockets! Start popping that corn…going to be a long show.
Only way Sarah could keep trhe media out would be for someone to duct tape her mouth shut..Won’t happen…
Sooooo …Everybody loves a circus, biggest clown is queen esther..lmbo
The big problem with child custody is the court’s ability to enforce support payments v.s. the court’s inability to enforce visitation rights. The court can garnish wages or confiscate tax refunds to pay back child support. The punishment for nonpayment is jail.
But the court doesn’t send cops to ensure a child has their scheduled weekend visitation, and (grand)parents aren’t jailed for interfering with visitation. It’s very one-sided.
A question from a non-twitter, non-techno person here…
Is there a way to verify whether a twitter account is valid or not?
Bristol Palin vs. Levi Johnston custody battle: Everybody loses
http://www.nj.com/parenting/lee_lusardiconnor/index.ssf/2009/12/palin_vs_johnston_custody_battle_everybody_loses.html
Bristol says that her mother has nothing to do with this case. That’s because it’s her father that is helping her. Sarah was too busy with her book and TV appearances. Todd quit his job, had to oversee the building of the new house, gather all of the blog posts and interviews. Van Flein can’t be that bad of an attorney to want to include that stupid stuff in his filing. I’ll bet Todd made him do it! I’ll even bet that Todd has been following Levi and his sister. Didn’t he follow Wooten?
VF::::::Alaska Leagal Trust Fund @ work
Way back in comment #2 the statement is made that palin had tripp’s birthday moved back so that bristol and levi could collect the PFD in the year 2007 which was pointed out in a later comment that 2007 was a very good year for the PFD as to what was distributed in the PFD fund in 2008. So my first question would be, which as I’m writing this sounds totally illegal – wouldn’t that be illegal to change the birthdate so more money is collected from the PFD the previous year (2007) because the amount per person would be known as to what the amount might be in 2008? Would this be one of the secrets that levi is holding out on palin because if it is illegal and she was governor at the time I guess you would call that basically stealing from the state – again. Then another thought started bubbling itself to the surface – how would someone know, in this case the sitting governor, that the fund would be greater amount of money in 2007 than in the future of 2008? How would she know that the checks in 2007 would be higher than the checks handed out in 2008? Maybe she was looking into that crystal ball of hers …
24owls, that was My Bad. Time flies so quickly, I forgot this year is 2009, so what I meant was they wanted the birthdate to be in 2008 so they could collect $ for Tripp for 2008 in 2009.
That is of course a wild theory. At first I though levi would have to be in on it, but now that I think about it, he might have been on the North Slope at the time, and may not have known when Tripp’s birthday really was, except by trusting what was told to him.
I just remember the odd way it came out, and how we didn’t see pictures for a long, long, long time.
So, unless Levi WAS there when Tripp “popped out”, to use GreatGranddaddy’s suave and subtle phraseology, I think they should get hands on the birth certificate. Besides, Bristol and her lawyers need to see it, to apparently be reminded of what Tripp’s legal name is …
Bristol seems to have the same bad memory that her mother has. It was Bristol who first pimped her baby, (at least Levi doesn’t have him in his photo ops) and her illegitimate pregnancy, for money.
If mommie dearest isn’t involved, who’s pay for the lawyer? And why is the lawyer mommie dearest’s lawyer.
Is Bristol still claimed as a dependant? That is the only way grandmaw and grandpaw have any legal footing in the matter.
Is there any indicatin that the Palins created difficulties in Levi getting work after last fall’s election – when he was no longer useful to them?
Not a problem Terp but of course that leads into the next question of why is there an accurate birthdate question with both boys, Tripp and Trigg? Which naturally leads into that insane conversation of who is the real mother of Trigg and when did he actual pop out … what is the truth, etc. etc …
Apparently Butler is not going to handle the custody case.
Inserting tongue firmly in cheek, my suggestions for a lawyer for
Levi is WAR.
I understand his is a real pappa grizzly in standing up for men’s legal rights.
And as long as Sarah and her family’s value continue to be the Soap Opera de jour, it would just be so fitting for such an awesome fictional character as WAR to be brought back into the story line.
The body count of children damaged by the Palins is beginning to look like Sherman’s march to the sea, they deserve to have WAR declared on them.
This is just another chapter of troopergate. Palin can’t stand the rejection
by anyone to her family. Mother bear to the rescue.
I think Bristol just made the worst decision of her life…no wait the second worst decision.
phoebe…I agree.
129 ds55 Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:41 AM
The big problem with child custody is the court’s ability to enforce support payments v.s. the court’s inability to enforce visitation rights. The court can garnish wages or confiscate tax refunds to pay back child support. The punishment for nonpayment is jail.
But the court doesn’t send cops to ensure a child has their scheduled weekend visitation, and (grand)parents aren’t jailed for interfering with visitation. It’s very one-sided.
The party that is being denied access has to go back to court spend lots more money and have the court arrange for the child to change hands before a neutral or trusted witness. The coourt will probably mandeate the dates or durations for visitatins. Since there is usually an attorney appointed to stand up for the child’s legal rights it would likely be that person.
138 Marnie,
You could not trust WAR to be appointed in that Palin nominated him for a position which failed to get the votes to pass.
You cannot trust his ‘loyalties’ to her.
@ Carriesblank…
I agree that the Toad is probably greatly involved in these legal proceedings…as the mama griz was too busy whizzing on her media ho-down…and waving Trig in front of her shrinking crowds (accept in Wasilla, of course). Papa bear more-than-likely still has the VF article on the frontal lobe…. but Bristol’s affidavit definitely has $P paw prints all over it.
Soon Van Fleece will be threatening any blogger or reporter who writes about the case.
Suck it up Buttercup.
These Court proceedings started almost 2 weeks before Palin appeared on Oprah on Nov 16 and her book tour which started Nov 18. This definitely allowed for Sarah’s pawprints all over this.
What a soap opera.
What would we do without $arah? As the sea of peer are constantly saying in their tinny voices about their idol.
God, how dreadful. To think of this circus going on till the election of 2012. AWFUL prospect.
Hope next year will be the last gasp of the political career of the quitter Governor.
Now who would have an interest in opening a faux Twitter account in Levi’s name and just casually mentioning “weed?” And who casually mentioned using weed when younger and was given a pass?
I mean, who’s the Twitter Queen, after all? Twit, twit, twit. You may have played your last hand in this custody deal.
122 mae lewis
I agree. I don’t see how this does Bristol or Sarah Inc any good at all.
Bristol won’t get sole custody, because they can’t show that Levi would cause any more harm to Tripp than Bristol would. If Butler can show that Levi has been denied visitation rights, and has attempted to help with financial support, the Palins will look really bad.
I have to wonder if Butler, by having Levi mention possible legal claims has played rope a dope with Sarah, and won. The Palins look aggressive, vendictive and overreaching in their court filings. That is not good for the Righteous Church of Sarah Inc.
If Sarah gets involved and starts bad mouthing Levi (like she hasn’t already) she comes off as an old evil step mother, or interfering mother in law and that will cost her some of her rabid male fans.
143 meede Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 12:54 PM
138 Marnie,
You could not trust WAR to be appointed in that Palin nominated him for a position which failed to get the votes to pass.
You cannot trust his ‘loyalties’ to her.
Yes I know, it was a joke. Tongue in cheek. Irony, Scarcasm
Irishgirl -
How’s Brazil ??
Marnie and meede–plus, I think that people are suggesting WAR for Levi’s lawyer not Bristol’s…
He might actually be willing to take on the pit bull after all that happened. Not that I’m saying I think it’s such a wise choice for Levi though…
No matter what the Judge intends, you can bet that Sarah will try to get this case taken care of in the media by badmouthing Levi and playing the sympathy card for her hapless daughter. Levi may have to come out with what he knows before this is all over. That said, I’m glad they’re keeping it open. Like Levi, we’re all pretty sure that Sarah the Barracuda’s got something vicious up her sleeve and he has to protect himself and his chances in public court.
Marnie,
As I was scrolling through the comments, all I saw was WAR and thought – NO! Sorry!!
Actually, I think we have the real reason she left Hawaii now. Van Flein was to enter a response into Court and missed the filing date.
The Court decision dated December 23rd and Van Flein’s late document entry. As we all know, Sarah and her ad nauseam lying — blamed it on the media at the hotel – NOT!! She probably left the airport and drove directly to Van Flein’s house or office depending on the time the flight landed!
Is that tire tracks I see running up Van Flein’s back?
Said it earlier – What a coincidence that Meg has re-surfaced just as these documents go public. Seems Meg is overpaid for being a one trick pony. The Palin Family’s Personal Attack Dog for Levi!
Meg was silenced for the book tour and hasn’t had all too much work since the ‘Quitter Quit’ when you think about it.
This is one of those issues that young ppl don’t consider when they have unprotected sex -
Will I want this person (partner) in my life for the next 18+ years sharing a child?
Dealing with their parents, as well as spouse and their future children?
Will this person continue to be supportive of the child?
Or will I be hunting them down for child support & tax refunds?
You know, it must be hell being a Palin child–Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trigg (?) and of course, Track. Now Tripp, who at least has Levi.
Even Hell might be a better place–you might have a chance then.
Back to my earlier post…..
You can’t tell me that the Local ‘ boots-on-the-ground ‘ people have not seen some new out-of-town Folks with big telephoto lenses walking the streets around Wasilla.
Those pictures are priceless to the tabloid market.
Maybe a shot of someone driving a brand new black Escalade…?
Don’t go out without your bumpit…..and Your ‘ incognito visor ‘.
I can’t stand Quitter Barbie, and this whole thing is like watching a train wreck. That said, I never thought I’d see the day where I was actually cheering for Levi. He might be a redneck, but he’s a committed one, I’ll give him that.
2 terpsichore Says:
4) If it really was completely all Bristol’s idea to seek full custody of Tripp and call him a Palin, I will eat several of my hats, tinfoil or otherwise.
When the baby is born, it has no legal name yet and is id’d by the hospital as, for example, Baby boy Palin, as that links the male neonate to the mother.
The mother may pre determine that the baby have a differnt last name, but most wait until after delivery when the legal paper work is done to legally name the child.
Its highly probable that neither Levi or Bristol knew that, and even if they did it is unlikely that Sarah would have not pressured Bristol to keep Palin, and indeed may have had to keep Palin to get insurance coverage.
It would take a court order now to change Tripp’s name.
My sister is a family law attorney & I asked her about enforcement of decisions….not good. I think the dreadful, grifter Palin Family intends to out money & out laywer Levi & get their way. It’s outrageous.
P.S. Love the flute & bathing suit videos. Lordy!
Good for Levi! He was smart enough to bring out the poisonous effect Sarah has in every proceeding and pre-empted her on this one.
The Judge apparently hadn’t been “gotten to” by the Palins and could make a rational decision…and the right one. Especially in this case, having everything in the open will foreclose on the future lies and discreditings that Sarah always always has to resort to, being of bad habits and mean in spirit down to her core.
Levi has acquitted himself well in the aftermath of Sarah. He speaks calmly and tells the truth and even was cautious enough to “cover up” in his Playgirl photo shoot, much to Sarah’s dismay. Imagine what she would have done with that, if he bared all!
BTW, Lisa Hamby is an associate at the Van Fleabag firm in Anchorage and has no expertise in family law either, according to what I read over at Immoral Minority. Seems Gryphen is also quoted in one of Van Fleabag’s court documents. (8)
Levi should retain Gloria Allred.
Austintx…have moved to an undisclosed location. Am now in Wasilla.:)
Irishgirl
Yikes!!
Now that the false twitter account is part of the court filings, Rex should maybe ask Twitter to run down the name of the person who set it up. Curiouser and curiouser (stroking chin).
Staying in a little cottage near Lake Lucille….with my lens.
wink
Our girl is #1 in two categories over at huffpo, winner of “douchebag of the year” & worst book of the year is “going rogue.” Sorry to report she’s #4 for “dumbest quotes of the year.” Oh well, can’t win them all. I agree with other posters in that toad & princess winky are blowing the wad on the this custody thing, Levi’s only recourse is to give it to them both barrels. If he doesn’t he better keep his powder dry….
Bristol is asking the court for sole legal custody of Tripp.
In today�s courts joint legal custody is very common. Bristol states in her Petition that Levi may, it does say may have substance abuse problems. May have? seems weak to me. Over time in there personal relationship it would seem she would have something more than a tweet to put in her Petition as evidence on that subject. Another tweet says, �the shot will be all nude� But Bristol says in her Patition �full frontal nudity pictorial in Playgirl� I like Bristol and Levi and wish them the best. But this Petition does sound so much like Sarah. My concern is that Tripp is growing up in a home with the Sarah logic.
Irishgirl -
You little rascal !! Keep your “Brian” close and I’m sure you will complete the mission.
#185
Irishgirl Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Staying in a little cottage near Lake Lucille….with my lens.
wink
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I need a new job and just bought a new camera with a telephoto lens.
May I join you…?
I may need to stop of and pick up some of those Bunny Boots along the way.
Of course, just give the mudpups whistle. Otherwise, I could shoot you with my recorder.. a musical instrument……but lethal in my hands!
I forgot, the whistle goes something like to whit to who. Shhhh
Sorry, reading crime thrillers for the last few days. I know what to do with a woodstove in Sweden, Anchorage or Wasilla.
I’d light it.
Bristol…what the hell are you doing and why?
This is a little kinda OT but ….
I’ve been following the story all day on this and other blogs (out of school, got some time on my hands) and starting just about 15 or 20 minutes ago, when I try to go to Palingates, I get a Vietnamese site! Doesn’t matter if I follow my history, or links from other websites, or type the address in myself.
Anyone else having the same problem?
http://palingates.blogspot.com
#194 Terp, yep same things happens to me, click on your link, mudflats link, favorite or history I get the Vietnamese site also, too. I’ve been going there, Bree’s & here all day…strange. Winky has more power than we thought….
Terp & jc,
I tried opening the site in a new window and it does the same for me. I have sent an email to patrick and regina letting them know. This is a very recent problem as I was there just a half hour ago and it was fine then, and I just got a notice that someone had responded to a post I made and it seems to be working fine for them within the last 6 minutes. ::Shrug:: Don’t know what is going on.
About the Palingates link….
Going there from Gryphens page link is working fine for me.
Have used it multiple times today with no problem.
( using FireFox as the browser )
Could it be the Browser that is making the difference? Hmmm….
at the ADN website, unlike all the other published stories, no comments can be left on the Bristol, Levi custody battle. Didn’t ADN do this last week with Sarah Palin’s article about her book signing? I believe ADN has jumped down the slippery slope with both feet into becoming a Pro-Palin rag, perhaps Rupert Murdock will help finance them.
” Ooops… ” spoke too soon.
Just now when I opened the link I got the website you spoke of.
The page was Open…. with no problem. It then got redirected once I clicked on the comments.
84 let it run Says: December 29th, 2009 at 8:20 AM
I don’t think Van Flein has to recuse himself if he is the “family” attorney.
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Well, it all depends on how good attorney Levi has. If Tank can put van flea in a position wherein van flea has to withdraw, then I’d say Tank’s the better attorney.
102 Donna Says: December 29th, 2009 at 9:09 AM
a lawyer is ethically precluded from taking actions against the interests of a former client in a substantially related matter.
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Exactly. So what Tank needs to do is put van flea into that position. Make the conflict between the clients clear and present, and reveal who is paying for his services also, too.
Re: Palingates – Also using Firefox but can’t get in via the direct route or through Gryphen’s site. Also, the “cached” link through google is bringing up the vietwebguide site as well. that’s really weird.
A search on the vietweb site brings up a few references to ” how to ban an IP address from blogspot”. Not sure how that might be involved but being as Palingates is a blogspot account, maybe there’s a connection.
Fingers crossed!! I don’t even want to think about all of that info being lost! (o dang – i just thought about it !)
113 aha Says: December 29th, 2009 at 9:31 AM
I’m looking forward to a commentary by that Baldwin Johnson doctor, soon.
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Why?? Anything the doctor knows would be precluded by the doctor-patient privilege.
Sauerkraut–you are exactly right. The issue of who is paying is easy–that will be part of discovery into Bristol’s finances. BUT any good lawyer can also get to communications between the parties about this matter. I’m not sure who had the idea that “the family lawyer” couldn’t be disqualified–that’s simply incorrect. And if Van Flein and his firm are dumb enough to try to represent Bristol while having an ongoing relationship with the family and/or previous representation in a related matter, this will be quite something.
People are wrong to throw out names like Gloria Allred–simply because someone is well known or has a reputation does not mean they are the right lawyer for a given situation or would get any better a result. A competent, respected lawyer with expertise in the family law area will do just dandy–and probably be better received by the judge than a “name” from out of state, particularly one who is known for grandstanding.
Hey Terp – back again to reread my post and opps – need to fix the typo – guess it just boggels the mind to see palin involved with the two boys born within the last year or two and there not be an accurate birth date or time or location for these two little guys. Yes, Bristol was pregos with one or two of them but of course the questions that continue to swirl about whether Palin is the birth mother of trigg or not is just plain insane to the point that will the truth ever be told or not. Palin has deceived and lied about so much, in so many directions about so many things that it all just becomes stir fry crazy. For the record I don’t think Palin had a fifth child but it gets to the point that what is the truth?
On your other point about the correct dates – does it really matter if it was 2007, 2008 or 2009? Palin would have had to tell the doctor ( anybody remember if Cathy Baldwin-Johnson signed the birth certificate for Tripp?) to adjust the birth date so that he would receive the bigger check already calculated for that year … of which again I wonder how would a sitting governor know that a PFD check would be greater one year than the next year?
128 ds55 Says: December 29th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I believe Sarah is trying to negotiate a court deal that prevents Levi from publishing his tell-all book.
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Really? Where? Did she file a law suit? Because that’s the only way she can “negotiate a court deal” (whatever the heck the might be). Besides, she has no legal standing to file any such suit. Nor would a court accept any such suit because regardless of how much she wants no one to know any dirt, she cannot force her wishes upon him thru a frivolous filing.
Let’s not get beyond ourselves here, folks. No need to start sounding like the weeweelanders.
129 austintx Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Rick Says:
Why not get a good mediator and work things out between you without outside interference?
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BINGO !!
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Binding arbitration.
OKay guys, I heard back from Kathleen and she says that Patrick is asleep after pulling an alnighter and she doesn’t want to wake him up but she has checked and can find no problems so far. They know it is an issue for all browser types so eventually it will be corrected!
meede I read the court papers and thought the same.how could they object about any child being used by the press when SP used all of her children to gain attention and dragged that littlest one all around the country instead of keeping him at home.And we all know it was to show his face to her followers and no other reason
Whew! Getting that Irishgirl around is hard work. About to fry the engines on the Gulfstream. She and her mission are well worth it though.
Renee99503 has some very good points but Levi is only asking for joint custody and since they live in the same city,village,whatever it would or could work out very well.I know parents that live in the same neighborhoods so the children can always go to the same schools during the joint custody.Half year with one parent,half year with the other.After what I read was done to the brother-in-law and Walt M I would not put anything past the Palins or the Heaths for that Matter.Chuck H looks like the grumpy man who when I was a child chased us off the sidewalk claiming it was his.The man should look after his wife and not worry about his grown children.He seems very vindictive also.
this circus is going to be fun to watch, I’m going to have to buy a few bags of pnuts. Egad, Missy Quittypants is completely wacky to think Bristol would get full custody. lol, what a funny thing to even read.
Go get ‘em Levi, that baby is yours too, and you have every right to 1/2 custody or even full custody.
This custody case has Sarah Palin’s animus written all over it. Period.
Quite heartening thus far that the judges involved haven’t been instruments of her vindictive will as was the ridiculous Personnel Board in the cases of Troopergate and other ethics complaints.
However…..the case is in early stages. Don’t underestimate the Palins’ ability to influence legal proceedings in their tiny “small town” of a state.
I just went from here to Palingates with no problem, even the comments show up. I’m using firefox.
I smell blood, bad blood.
Lee323 Says:
However…..the case is in early stages. Don’t underestimate the Palins’ ability to influence legal proceedings in their tiny “small town” of a state.
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Hello Lee323
I hope the tide has turned on the Palins.
Just some FYI…about being able to get to palingates.
The links were NOT working earlier.. But people had come up with a few workaround tips they shared to solve the problem. I didn’t use any of them, But now all of a sudden the links seems to be working fine… again.
Hope this is the case for everybody…. ( fingers crossed )
Hi austintx
SP already has a negative history with Family Court where she got slapped by the judge for interfering with her sister’s custody case…..but whether the tide has turned in general remains to be seen.
re: Palingates
Just as winkwinkwa said , you can link from here. Scroll up and look to the right under “Blog Roll”. click and you are there.
Yup , they don’t like her in Family Court.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140
Saw all the brouhaha about getting to palingates but had no probs getting there using various methods. Problem solved, perhaps?
errata from earlier: the attorney is Butler, not Tank. Although Tank might be able to run circles around van flea on this matter, too and also.
RE: Palingates, their webwizard Patrick found some sort of ‘code’ attached to …. something. Anyway, he removed it and all is fine now, but he does wonder how it got there.
As for the subject at hand and what will be my last post for the evening, Sarah has been quiet …. too quiet …. on the Twitter and the Facebook. We know she can’t go three days without yapping off about something, so that means we should expect to hear from her in 3 … 2 … 1 … or tomorrow.
But will it address the custody case? I really think the last thing she wanted was this to go public, so that she could keep the public persona of “Levi is welcome to Thanksgiving dinner” while working to use any underhanded trick she could to get her desired end. Problem is, I don’t see how Bristol having sole custody is necessary as a ‘desired end’ for either Bristol or Sarah.
Unless, anyone want to explain Alaska Fund Dividend or Dividend Fund or whatever it is, and explain how it works in the case of a minor child of divorced or otherwise separated parents? As minor children can’t really ‘get’ their own money, the check has got to go to one parent or the other or both. If Bristol (or Levi) has sole custody, does that make a difference as to how the money is distributed to the parent/s?
And who got the money for Tripp this year for last year? Surely Levi knows that.
I did notice that when Sarah filed her last discloser of the year as Governor, she did not list Track or Bristol as dependent children. Nor Tripp.
However, what got put on 2008 tax returns we will probably never know.
Unless …. can the lawyers ask for all that in discovery?
Re: the speculation on parentage on the previous page of comments. Just thinking it’s best not to go there.
All I can say is: what a bunch of vindictive people (the Palins) who need a refresher course in family values. The Palin adults are wreaking havoc on the teenagers’ lives, not to mention the younger ones too.
terpsichore Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I did notice that when Sarah filed her last discloser (disclosure) of the year as Governor, she did not list Track or Bristol as dependent children. Nor Tripp.
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Good catch Terps !
I can see Track and Bristol not being listed, as they have both turned 18 – but Tripp not listed ??
Was he listed on these disclosure forms from other years ?
As Arte Johnson of the old Laugh In show would say; “Interesting. Verrrrry interesting”.
terpsichore Says:
Unless …. can the lawyers ask for all that in discovery?
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Don’t see why not. Anything to do with determining child support and existing monies for said child would seem fair game to me. I can’t fathom sarah wanting to get deposed anywhere , anytime. Bristol either for that matter.
I would think they CAN ask for items like that in discovery, if they are pertinent to the case. But I’m no lawyer, so perhaps one of the regulars can chime in on that matter.
Sure would be interesting to see if the Palins’ tax returns match the disclosure forms pertaining to dependents.
If they don’t, then……………Hello, IRS.
Follow the money. I’m talking about Bristol’s legal bills. Also too, where is the money coming from……Sarah PAC? ……Legal defense fund for Sarah?
NY Dem, Tripp is not a dependent of $’arah. Tripp is Bristols dependent, allegedly!
Stay focused!
I believe that the art of vimdictiness started with Heaths and has been passed down!
223 Fern Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Re: the speculation on parentage on the previous page of comments. Just thinking it’s best not to go there.
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I agree 100%. [If there could be more than 100%, I'd agree that!]
It’s an ugly path, innuendo and pure speculation is…from it we’ve seen born all sorts of nasty rumors that refuse to die. Prime examples: POTUSs birth place and religious affiliation, for starters.
One of the (many) things that drives me bonkers about ‘conservative’ sites, is how someone will toss something out, another will pick it up and expand on it, and before you can say “Bob’s your uncle,” whatever was first put forth –along with its subsequent embellishments– has become hard and irrefutable “fact“.
Let the ‘conservatives’ and ‘wingers’ wallow all they want in ugly and the unsubstantiated as they feed on each other’s blather; that seems to be one of their hallmarks, so let them have at it. ‘Flatters are made of much saner stuff than that, I think. I hope. beth.
Tripp could be either Levi’s or Bristol’s dependent. Depends on custody and support. Whichever parent provides more than 50 per cent of support AND is not the dependent of another taxpayer might be able to claim Tripp as their dependent. If , for instance, Levi provides sufficient support such that his support is greater than that directly contributed by Bristol, it is possible that Levi would have a superior claim the dependent exemption. Since it appears that Bristol is not living apart from her parents is is possible that she herself actually provides very little support to Tripp.
BTW, I am a licensed Tax Preparer so this is my area of expertise.
Hi Mudpups! Beth raises some great points.
Let’s keep the discussion above the level of certain other sites.
Please stay away from speculation about the parentage of the babies.
Such statements are possibly defamatory and not in keeping with the spirit of Mudflats.
For more information on defamatory statements, please see this post on the forums – http://www.themudflats.net/forum/index.php/topic,6002.0.html
We have removed a couple of posts which were outright defamatory and AKMuckraker or the blog staff will continue to do so when necessary.
Thanks all,
Snoskred
Beth & Fern & Snoskred
Yes. This line of discussion was discouraged on Audrey’s blog too. Thinking the very worst of people, even the Palins, is not productive.
Onward and upward…
bluebanshee,
After I divorced I was informed by the IRS that the custodial parent is automatically granted the deduction unless a specific form was filled out by myself giving my ex the rights to claim the children on his tax form. This was also part of my divorce decree. My ex was entitled to claim the children (with me having to sign a paper every single year giving him the deduction) as long as his child support was current for the year. If he was not current then I just didn’t sign the paper and I was entitled to claim them.
Has this changed?
Doesn’t a new resident of Alaska have to produce a copy of their birth certificate (amongst other things) to get a PFD Check?
Snoskred…what is the quickest way to notify someone about offensive posts such as the ones we saw earlier today?
I should have edited my post. “vindictiveness”, sheesh!
I’m sorry, but I just don’t get the reasoning behind getting sole custody, assuming that will lead to a request that Levi will have no visitation rights, yet still demand full child support.
There is no legal justification for excluding Levi completely from his son’s life. He appears to be a loving, caring, doting Father. And has voluntarily been paying Bristol what he can and seeking every legal opportunity to generate funds to provide for that support.
If Levi is cut off, could he then petition to stop any and all support payments? If Bristol is provided a home by Sarah and has an income from her whatever endorsements, seems she’s in a better position to provide for Tripp and thus has a pretty weak position to demand child support from someone who is basically unemployed.
And none of that is grounds to either deny custody or deny visitation.
I know we’re talking Sarah. But it seems she’s throwing money down a black hole. Maybe Von Flea gave her advice and she ignored him and maybe he just kept his mouth shut because she’s his cash cow.
But it all seems so stupid. Yeah, yeah, I know. But still. Isn’t this a full on invitation for Levi to spill absolutely everything he knows? Does she really think she can use Tripp as a bargaining chip to shut Levi up? Because I’m thinking Levi can’t be bought and this is the absolutely wrong tactic to take if that is her goal.
(I’m also thinking Levi is thinking how he dodged the bullet with Bristol. Imagine if they had gotten married. Imagine how messy the divorce would be.)
Did it occur to Sarah that as a consequence of this custody battle there may be an order by the court to produce Tripp’s birth certificate? And possibly DNA testing of Tripp and both parents.
This alone may or may not be worrisome. But it does set a precedent of sorts. Does she really want birth certificates demanded and produced and family members being DNA tested for paternity? Does she really want to go there? Put that idea into anyone’s head?
Depending on how the court decides, Levi may be able to petition that Tripp’s name be legally changed to include Johnston on his birth certificate if for any reason his Mother conveniently forgot to put it on there.
As for that $13,000 from the Alaska Fund Trust that Bristol can draw. And maybe Tripp too. Even $26,000 isn’t going to go very far the way Von Fleabag is burning billable hours. Oh, yes, the financial disclosures are going to be very interesting reading. I do hope someone asks Bristol how she’s paying for her legal bills while she is on the stand.
If the only reason for this is a ploy to gag Levi and kill any and all book deals, I’ll repeat she doesn’t know Levi very well and she’s stupid to use this tactic to try and muzzle him.
(and Tank is the bodyguard, Rex is the lawyer. Correction to some previous posts.)
andRob in Ca Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Snoskred…what is the quickest way to notify someone about offensive posts such as the ones we saw earlier today?
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I second the comment/question. This topic has generated excessively high traffic. I’ve overall been impressed with this blog over most others, because of the civility and decency. Unfortunately, there has been way toooooooooo much criticism, speculation, and name-calling. I don’t believe comments of that nature are productive, nor do they reflect in a positive manner towards AKM and all the moderators who help her out.
Call me an old Pollyanna, but some of the comments are no different from those on the pro-Palin websites – only the names have been changed. I think that we are all better than lowering ourselves to their levels.
Thanks.
Maybe Sarah wants to legally adopt Tripp.
She can’t do it unless Levi agrees… or unless Levi’s parental rights are taken away. Getting sole custody would be step #1 in the plan.
In answer to the questions about how to contact Snoskred or the administrators in general, click on “Mudflats Forum” in the righthand margin. That will take you to the forum. Near the top on the right side, you will see “New! Got a problem? Contact Us”. Just click on “Contact us”. And just to make it super easy, in the left margin you will also see “Click Here To Contact Us”.
Sorry, I keep getting Tripp and Trig mixed up.
Perhaps the whole custody issue is nothing but a ploy by Sarah to be able to find out how much money Levi will be paid to write HIS book. Sarah, dearest, eat your heart out!
mlaiuppa@238 Says:
I’m sorry, but I just don’t get the reasoning behind getting sole custody, assuming that will lead to a request that Levi will have no visitation rights, yet still demand full child support.
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I don’t get the sole custody thing either, but I understand that Bristol would specifically want to, in the agreement, set up some sort of visitation arrangement, and child support payments.
All fine and dandy, but, as others have commented, that can be done without going to court, and without one party or the other needing sole custody. Same can be done with a joint custody arrangement. The whole suit is, as I see it, unnecessary, if what Bristol wants is for Levi to contribute monetarily to the upkeep of his son and for Levi to spend some time with him. There’s no disagreement between them on that, except of course in the exact details. They should get it formalized legally, yes, but it does not have to be a ‘battle’.
Let’s hope and pray that Levi is right and that, with everything out in the open, it will compel both parties to stay focused on what is truly important and that both will work to quickly get the matter negotiated and resolved.
I got divorced 22 years ago, split everything down the middle, my children were 10 and 11, joint custody, no child support or alimony, because we trusted each other enough to know we would both take care of whatever needed to be done for our children. We made sure we lived close enough to each other that the kids could walk back and forth to each of our homes. We did the dissoulution, cost $50. We also stayed very civil and friendly to this day, no blame game. Both kids graduated college and have good careers. I guess what I am trying to say is none of this makes any sense to me and their child will grow up and read all about all of this BS so they need to to work it out between themselves, it could have been so simple.
Bristol needs 100% custody so that she can flip the kid to Sarah. Sarah gets another child to raise….like so many mothers in America she is forced to raise her grandchild….the result of the irresponsible actions of teenagers…..Sarah chooses to raise her grandchild rather than have her child raised on aid from the government……mothers of America will sympathize with poor Sarah forced to take on these duties. Her minions will love it. It will help her achieve the sainted motherhood of the year award.
I knew that while the media attention was focused on Sarah parading around the Lower 48 like the Grand Champion of the American Royal there was some tomfoolery going on the iceberg. Now we know. Sarah, you are so predictable.
Oh boy, here we go again. And to think I made the assumption that once her book tour was over we wouldn’t hear much from her anymore except for the occasional Tea Bagger Festival here and there. I mean, after all, didn’t she say that she and her family just weren’t into all that drama?
@234 EyeOnYou said:
After I divorced I was informed by the IRS that the custodial parent is automatically granted the deduction unless a specific form was filled out by myself giving my ex the rights to claim the children on his tax form. This was also part of my divorce decree. My ex was entitled to claim the children (with me having to sign a paper every single year giving him the deduction) as long as his child support was current for the year. If he was not current then I just didn’t sign the paper and I was entitled to claim them.
Has this changed?
Answer: In the case of Bristol and Levi the situation is murkier — they were never married and Bristol has never been granted formal legal custody. There is no divorce decree to rely on. As I said earlier it is not clear that Bristol is self-supporting — she may still be claimable as a dependent on her parents’ return, even if they choose not to do so. Also, if she is getting funds from the AFT or similar sources they would probably not qualify as being provided by herself for her own support.
The IRS has not changed its basic rules but will no longer rely on divorce papers — the correct form must now be signed and submitted with a tax return in order for the non-custodial parent to claim a child.
While reading the letters I keep thinking about a small ray of hope coming soon re: Scarahs finances. Join the chant… APRIL 15th. IRS April 15th. IRS — Can the financial finagling stay hidden? OMG I hope not. All those gifts,donations, trust funds, changed birthdates? etc. etc. Whatta mess to sift thru. Can I help?
bluebanshee @ 249 Says in reply to EyeOnYou:
Answer: In the case of Bristol and Levi the situation is murkier — they were never married and Bristol has never been granted formal legal custody.
There is no divorce decree to rely on. As I said earlier it is not clear that Bristol is self-supporting — she may still be claimable as a dependent on her parents’ return, even if they choose not to do so.
Also, if she is getting funds from the AFT or similar sources they would probably not qualify as being provided by herself for her own support.
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Yikes, I need to get this all straight in my head.
Tripp was born (supposedly?) on 12/27/08.
That means, as I understand, someone could take him as a tax deduction on their 2008 taxes and he was eligible for his dividend from the Alaska Permanent Fund.
Who listed him as a deduction in 2008 and who got the Permanent Fund monies in 2009 for 2008? Surely Levi must know that. And if it was the Palin’s, I’m not too cheesed since Tripp really did live with them, even though it was just the four days and probably most of them at the hospital, and Levi probably did not pay the doctor bills. So, IMO, no harm no foul. Would have been worse, I think, for Levi to try to fight that one.
However, 2009 is going to be another story.
Sarah Palin did not include Track, Bristol or Tripp in her last APOC disclosure form. Therefore, she did not have to include their incomes for 2009 from January until her resignation on August whatever-it-was. Fine and dandy.
Bristol should be filing her own tax return and taking Tripp as a dependent if she is, for lack of a better term here, the primary caretaker.
But if the Palin’s do try to file 2009 taxes keeping Bristol and Tripp as dependents, then 1) she(SP) willfully defrauded the Alaskan people; and 2) doesn’t that mean that all their income will be taken into consideration in figuring child support payments? If the Palins collectively look really really rich and Levi not so much, won’t his share of child support be figured …. minimally and fairly?
Conversely, if Bristol does file her own tax return, then is that the primary document that the judge will take into consideration about how monetarily fit Bristol is to care for the child? And would she not have to be completely honest about where that money is coming from (all our speculations about Pie Spy, AFT, etc.)? Would it not prove true or refute the “Bristol’s been working two jobs and going to school” thing (which I do not believe- I believe she has had at least two jobs, and has been going to school – not always at the same time)
No wonder they (Palins) wanted the proceedings kept secret. They don’t want anyone to see their tax returns.
And that’s fine. Everyone has a right to privacy.
Unless you want to run for president of the United States. Then, yes, the public is entitled to see how much you make, where you made it from, and how and to whom you disperse tax-deductible funds and how you calculated your tax deductions. We are entitled to make up our own minds, from those official documents, whether we think you are a fit person to run our country.
And that’s why it will never happen.
Palin run for presidency in 2012 = full disclosure of 2009 and 2010 tax returns (if not others)
Slate is weighing in with an excellent article.
Good article in Slate, Lilly. Thanks for the heads-up.
Two things which are really beginning to annoy me about this case:
1) how the commentators keep harping about Levi not spending the time with his son. Have they not been paying attention to what Levi’s been saying for the past several months? He states that the Palin family is not allowing him to visit his son. How can he spend time with his child when Bristol and/or her family will not allow him to do so??
2) Bristol’s stance that this matter going public is having a negative affect on the child. The child is what? A 1-y.o.? He hasn’t a clue what’s going on. Only that he has a mother. If Bristol is so concerned about the child, then she simply ought to allow the father to visit instead of filing court papers to curtail and impede Levi’s rights as the biological father. That child also has the right to have his father in his life.
I’d just like to point out that as far as I know…Child custody and support cases are ordered by the State you live in and State laws vary to a degree.
Some of the speculation here seems ridiculous so I think I will check into State of Alaska Guidelines before I throw in my 2 cents (o:
terpsichore -
Thanks for the breakdown.
As far as the computation on what Levi will pay , it generally is a percentage of his gross income. At least thats how the state of Texas does it. Also , I’m sure Levi is paying rent , whereas Bristol ain’t. The Palins are on a slippery slope in trying to hammer Levi for money. Bristol will have to cough up pay stubs for her job(s) and give a sworn affadavit as to what she contributes monetarily at Casa de Palin (ha-ha). Clear and transparent sarah !!
austintx, I can always rely on you to have an intelligent and terse reply to my ramblings!
Any lawyers out there correct me if I’m wrong, but … certainly in this custody hearing …
Both Levi and Bristol will have to fork over tax returns or the documents that they will be using to prepare their 2009 tax returns which will need to have gross income, and some breakdown of expenses. I think Levi is prepared to do that. I’m not so sure Bristol is, I mean, if, and I say if, they include payments from Pie Spy or the AFT or the SarahPAC.
But beyond that – my understanding is that sole custody is only granted in the most extreme of cases, and this is by no means an extreme case.
Bristol initiated this case, not Levi. Why? When every avenue to resolve it otherwise was seemingly open to her?
terps–because she is her mother’s daughter…
Terpischore @251 said:
Tripp was born (supposedly?) on 12/27/08.
That means, as I understand, someone could take him as a tax deduction on their 2008 taxes and he was eligible for his dividend from the Alaska Permanent Fund.
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Not true: it is possible that no one took Tripp as a dependent in 2008. Either because of oversight, a desire not to publicize their level of support for Bristol (and Tripp) or perhaps because the travel, clothing and other support items provided by the RNC to Bristol during the campaign made it impossible to prove who provided more than 50 per cent of Bristol’s support. If Bristol attended high school through June 2008 she would have been able to be claimed on her parents return unless she had enough other sources of support that outweighed her parents’ contribution (AFT, RNC, anyone?)
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Terpischore also said:
Bristol should be filing her own tax return and taking Tripp as a dependent if she is, for lack of a better term here, the primary caretaker.
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Again not necessarily true. If Bristol did not have enough income of her own that would require that she file a tax return, there would be no reason to file one. Providing childcare to her own child while being substantially supported by her parents would not in and of itself mean that Bristol either needs to file a tax return or can claim Tripp as her dependent. She may not even be able to claim her own exemption if she is claimable on another taxpayer’s return (e.g., her parents) even if they don’t actually choose to claim her.
Perhaps a good item of Mudflats gear would be a mud-slicker instead of a rain-slicker, e.g. “I survived the Palin-Johnston custody mud-wrestle —Mudflats 2010″
From a tax standpoint, any dependent child receiving a PFD usually has a tax return filed on their behalf by their parents. So most Alaskan minors have been filing since eligibility for dividend.
Bristol really does not need to show a “documented income”. By any measure or standard , she is doin’ A-OK feedin’ at the Palin hog trough. I think and hope that the judge takes that into consideration.
Gotta say it about VF:
He’s the consigliore of the Palin mafia….he’s stuck, and won’t get out in one piece.
Having said that, he’s not anywhere near the caliber of the Corleones’ consigliore.
bluebanshee@258, I agree it is possible no one took Tripp as a tax deduction/APF dividend recipient for 2008. But that does not make my statement untrue. I said, and I quote myself “someone could take him as a tax deduction on their 2008 taxes”. The operative word is could.
I also agree that Bristol may not be filing her own tax return for 2009. But that’s my point. It’s one situation if she will, and another situation if she does not (presumably being listed as a dependent on her parent’s tax returns). And I will take responsibility for saying ‘should’ when I ‘should’ not have. It’s her business, just as I would expect she would keep her nose out of mine.
The point I was trying to make, even if I did not make it well, is that only one person/entity can claim an IRS deduction and an APF dividend for Tripp in any one year, so who was it for 2008, and who will it be for 2009?
RE: Tripp’s placement on a federal return as a dependent. There are very specific circumstances and criteria that would allow Tripp to be claimed as a dependent on the 2008 federal return, filed in 2009. Go to IRS.gov, then use the search for ‘dependent’ related info, especially as it relates to the various 1040 forms.
1) Neither Bristol nor Levi could show Tripp as a dependent for federal purposes unless they filed their own federal return, separate from their parents. The first question is: did either one of them file a separate from their parents federal return? If, yes, then one, and only one, of them was legally entitled to claim Tripp. If, no, neither Bristol nor Levi could claim him as their dependent.
2) The second question then becomes: was Bristol claimed as a dependent on the Palins federal return? If yes, SP & TP cannot claim Tripp as a dependent on their federal return. The specifically identified ways of claiming dependency do not appear to have been met. If no, then the criteria to determine dependency must be followed before grannies could attempt to claim Tripp as a dependent, and Bristol would have had to file a separate federal return, even if she had $0 income for 2008. (Why? One of the things the IRS like to look for is the filing of a return by dependents claimed on earlier returns, but then dropped, but not because of age related dependency).
If there are mixed answers to the above, such as being Bristol being claimed as a dependent on her parents federal return, and then Bristol claiming Tripp as a dependent on a second federal return…PAGING THE IRS!
Love the Mudflats! Going against the grain here and saying that Levi has as much right to his son as Bristol, for our children there is no right and wrong parent and I am glad that Levi was smart enough not to let things play behind closed doors. This young man is only 19 years of age and with his own mother out of the picture now and trying to do a breakout in whatever it is a 19 year old wants to break out in that is his choice, and it is giving him income to take care of his child, I will pray for that young man because I am sure the Palin camp is thinking of the do all to end all in order to not let him see his young son when he wants or to get joint custody. This is one young man that I hope does make it, he was made a fool in front of millions of people now it is his time to get the justice he deserves and that is to be able to get the time and give the love that his young son will need.
Why does Bristol (in the court documents completed in her hand writing) giving Tripp’s home address as 1141 West Parkway when the Palin home is 1140 West Parkway and newly construction home is 1120 West Parkway?
Can anyone answer this question? Is this done for some reason to make it appear she does not live at the Palin home for student loans, etc?
MO Inkslinger -
Very interesting find. Makes one go h-m-m-m……..
Is the 1140 home subdivided? In-law apt.? Is there a garage across the street with living quarters? Odd and even nos. put the addies on opp. sides of the street in most places. An in-law living quarter in the same home would allow for another mailing no. maybe… The whole thing is interesting, either they are being devious (again) or stupid (again)…