Comments on: Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game – Vote Early, Vote Often! http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/ Tiptoeing Through the Muck of Alaskan Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:08:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tony Russ http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-163535 Tony Russ Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:11:27 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-163535 Rules for voting are in Title 5-AAC 92. Anyone in area can vote. The 'area' in this case is all of Southcental Alaska, since that is the area the Anchorage AC discusses and votes on the most. If people live in that area, they can vote in that AC election. Rules for voting are in Title 5-AAC 92. Anyone in area can vote. The ‘area’ in this case is all of Southcental Alaska, since that is the area the Anchorage AC discusses and votes on the most. If people live in that area, they can vote in that AC election.

]]> By: KeenEye http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162485 KeenEye Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:03:18 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162485 I think there were 80 some committees throughout Alaska. Why would votes from areas outside the resident area count? The purpose of regional advisory groups is so that the F&G can get local input. I don't want Anchorage voting for me on the Kenai, nor would you want me voting in Anchorage. Could be wrong, but there was some rules about where you can vote. I think there were 80 some committees throughout Alaska. Why would votes from areas outside the resident area count? The purpose of regional advisory groups is so that the F&G can get local input. I don’t want Anchorage voting for me on the Kenai, nor would you want me voting in Anchorage. Could be wrong, but there was some rules about where you can vote.

]]> By: sj http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162333 sj Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:03:36 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162333 Joe 12-pack Says: January 7th, 2010 at 12:25 PM Here’s the tally, by community, as I received if from ADFG: Anchorage – 395 Eagle River – 40 Chugiak – 28 Wasilla – 41 Palmer – 16 Sutton – 3 Willow – 1 Big Lake – 2 Chickaloon – 2 Cooper Landing – 1 Seward – 1 ============================================= How can ADFG know if this information is accurate or not if IDs were not checked? AKM said that some of the ballots were filled out without phone or e-mail addresses. So couldn't the rest of the information about addresses or PO Boxes be fake indicating fake residences in the voting area? <strong><em>I don't believe they have any way of knowing if this is accurate since they did not check IDs. They can only go by what was self-reported. AKM Joe 12-pack Says:
January 7th, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Here’s the tally, by community, as I received if from ADFG:

Anchorage – 395
Eagle River – 40
Chugiak – 28
Wasilla – 41
Palmer – 16
Sutton – 3
Willow – 1
Big Lake – 2
Chickaloon – 2
Cooper Landing – 1
Seward – 1
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How can ADFG know if this information is accurate or not if IDs were not checked? AKM said that some of the ballots were filled out without phone or e-mail addresses. So couldn’t the rest of the information about addresses or PO Boxes be fake indicating fake residences in the voting area?

I don’t believe they have any way of knowing if this is accurate since they did not check IDs. They can only go by what was self-reported. AKM

]]> By: Alaska Pi http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162313 Alaska Pi Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:36:35 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162313 @65 Homesteader- Good on you! Did your contact mention that the rules governing CACs talk about "... to the extent possible, at LEAST three user groups must be represented on each committee..."? Consumptive use is an important part of the picture here but ALL user groups need to be represented- especially in our most populated area... where the pressure on wildlife in general has grown dramatically on a variety of fronts... And yes , hanging head, Southeast has had a very untidy history with our committee... I don't understand Cindy's point... Is it that AKM is only questioning the balloting process because AKM's preferred candidates lost ? The sour grapes thingy? I think it obvious from the (scary) fictional paragraph about the fictional-friend that AKM is truly questioning a process with no usual checks and balances built into it... And clear problems with differences in ballots provided and instructions for filling them out... And an untidy counting process... And I feel confident that AKM would question these things -no matter the outcome. That's what AKM does... @65 Homesteader-
Good on you! Did your contact mention that the rules governing CACs talk about “… to the extent possible, at LEAST three user groups must be represented on each committee…”?
Consumptive use is an important part of the picture here but ALL user groups need to be represented- especially in our most populated area… where the pressure on wildlife in general has grown dramatically on a variety of fronts…
And yes , hanging head, Southeast has had a very untidy history with our committee…

I don’t understand Cindy’s point…
Is it that AKM is only questioning the balloting process because AKM’s preferred candidates lost ?
The sour grapes thingy?
I think it obvious from the (scary) fictional paragraph about the fictional-friend that AKM is truly questioning a process with no usual checks and balances built into it…
And clear problems with differences in ballots provided and instructions for filling them out…
And an untidy counting process…
And I feel confident that AKM would question these things -no matter the outcome. That’s what AKM does…

]]> By: Chris http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162276 Chris Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:16:53 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162276 The results were disappointing, but at least I got a delicious brownie out of coming--thanks AKM :) The results were disappointing, but at least I got a delicious brownie out of coming–thanks AKM :)

]]> By: Homesteader http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162268 Homesteader Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:48:12 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162268 I called Fish and Game this morning to register my complaint against this debacle. The gentleman with whom I spoke allowed as how they have seen this kind of hijacking of an advisory committee before. A similar situation occurred in Southeast with commercial fishing interests playing tug-of-war with charter fishing interests, trading control of the advisory committee year-by-year. Based on this one conversation, I was given to understand that F&G is aware of these shenanigans, and any committee that is stacked with narrow interest groups is given zero credibility in the larger process. Fine. That still leaves an important segment of our community without a voice. I agree with earlier posts: the result we saw on Tuesday needs to be tossed, and replaced with a process in which consumptive and conservationist interests are elected to respective chairs on the committee (this is how they balanced commercial/charter fishing interests in Southeast). Anything less is a waste of everyone's time. I'm callin' F&G back tomorrow, will follow that up with a letter, and I hope you will all do the same. AKM, you are a gem! I called Fish and Game this morning to register my complaint against this debacle. The gentleman with whom I spoke allowed as how they have seen this kind of hijacking of an advisory committee before. A similar situation occurred in Southeast with commercial fishing interests playing tug-of-war with charter fishing interests, trading control of the advisory committee year-by-year. Based on this one conversation, I was given to understand that F&G is aware of these shenanigans, and any committee that is stacked with narrow interest groups is given zero credibility in the larger process. Fine. That still leaves an important segment of our community without a voice. I agree with earlier posts: the result we saw on Tuesday needs to be tossed, and replaced with a process in which consumptive and conservationist interests are elected to respective chairs on the committee (this is how they balanced commercial/charter fishing interests in Southeast). Anything less is a waste of everyone’s time. I’m callin’ F&G back tomorrow, will follow that up with a letter, and I hope you will all do the same. AKM, you are a gem!

]]> By: justafarmer http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162266 justafarmer Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:26:44 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162266 poor Cindy.... poor Cindy….

]]> By: DergahAnchorage http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162263 DergahAnchorage Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:56:16 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162263 Wow. Wow.

]]> By: seattlefan http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162257 seattlefan Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:49:37 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162257 I see an "opportunity" for any and many to take this to task and make some changes. A civics book and a clear mind would knock this whole thing out of the park. BTW...you go AKM! You are on the right side here. I see an “opportunity” for any and many to take this to task and make some changes. A civics book and a clear mind would knock this whole thing out of the park.

BTW…you go AKM! You are on the right side here.

]]> By: Juneaudream http://www.themudflats.net/2010/01/07/alaska-dept-of-fish-and-game-vote-early-vote-often/#comment-162252 Juneaudream Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:11:50 +0000 http://www.themudflats.net/?p=9292#comment-162252 In my 72 years..I have seen a few, blessedly..very few 'Cindys'..in this world. We need them to cross through our space periodically..to remind us why good manners are..a blessing. In my 72 years..I have seen a few, blessedly..very few ‘Cindys’..in this world. We need them to cross through our space periodically..to remind us why good manners are..a blessing.

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