Open Thread
Happy Sunday!
Busy day at Mudflats Central today. I’ll be out and about running errands most of the day. Enjoy the open thread to chat about the Sunday talk shows, share links, and thoughts, or whatever you like. I’ll look forward to reading your comments when I check back in.
Good Morning America!
… and here from POLITICO on the new book [released Saturday/yesterday] on the 2008 election: “Game Change”
“Frustrated over the campaign following her disastrous interview with Katie Couric, Sarah Palin said she regretted accepting the Republican vice presidential nomination. “If I’d known everything I know now, I would not have done this,” she said. McCain’s high command, already worried about her lack of eating and drinking and fearing that she was suffering from post-partum depression, convened a conference call and discussed whether she was mentally unstable.”
“Palin spokeswoman Meg Stapleton issued a statement in response to “Game Change” touting the former governor’s own insider account.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31302_Page2.html#ixzz0cD1urUVG
a couple of more tidbids [same source]:
“–Before she was tapped as the vice presidential nominee, McCain’s campaign team devoted only five days to vetting Palin and her seventy-four-part questionnaire. But Palin herself only spent a few hours filling it out – an act which had “consumed weeks for other short-listers.” Ultimately, a forty-two-page vetting report of Palin was crashed by McCain’s team in a matter of 40 hours.
“–Upon finding out that McCain had tapped Palin as his running mate, Vice President Dick Cheney called it a “reckless choice,” believing the Alaska governor was unprepared for high office.”
My apologies if I’ve posted ‘old news’
This is an open thread! So enjoy:
http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/2010/01/
Recommended by a facebook pal. You know who you are…..
Enjoy!
Game Change: Obama and the Clintons, McCain and Palin, and the Race of a Lifetime
http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061966200/Game_Change/index.aspx
Interesting that this new book is published by Harper Collins. I am guessing this might be one of the reasons Going Rogue had to be rushed to market months early.
Between Schmidt’s interview tonight and this new book release this is the start of one very bad week for $P. Let the avalanche of info begin!
From megacephalus: “her seventy-four-part questionnaire. But Palin herself only spent a few hours filling it out”
Sounds like she “wrote” her memoir like she fills out questionnaires…
Hey letterfromeurope, the link says that no such blogger exists.
megacephalus @1 – Thanks for those snippets. This was a little more than I’ve seen earlier. If these are the things that are the things that are being revealed from the campaign can you even imagine what must still be under wraps ?? I would love to have been a fly on the wall for the discussions about whether Granny $’error is possibly mentally unstable. That had to be one freaked out McCain camp. I hope this opens up the floodgates .
I can already hear the Palinbots and their cries of ” The GOP needs to destroy $’error because they are terrified ( $’errorfied ? ) of her godliness and they’ll do anything to get rid of her. Lies. All LIES!!!” I’m sure Satan has something to do with it as well.
Off to read Meg’s response. I wonder how you respond to and spin , “mentally unstable”? She’ll be earning her SarahPac dollars this week, o yes she will.
I wonder if they’ll touch on this on Meet the Press. I’ll be peeved if they only talk about Harry Reid’s remark and let this one go. An incompetent and perhaps unhinged running mate trumps a stupid politically incorrect gaffe any day.
@ BuffaloGal:
“the discussions about whether Granny $’error is possibly mentally unstable. That had to be one freaked out McCain camp. I hope this opens up the floodgates .”
the implications provided by the Harper Collins legal vetting and ‘o.k.’ of the publication of this snippet are, to my view at least, immense.
HA!!! “mentally unstable”… It’s so nice to finally see it in print somewhere besides here.
Mornin’ to you all, Mudpups.
Here it is: http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/
Good Morning all. I had posted this at the very end of the last open thread yesterday. One interesting note Allan Nairn makes in the interview is regarding how S’error would run our military virtually the same as Obama has.
“Obama Has Kept the Machine Set on Kill”–Journalist and Activist Allan Nairn Reviews Obama’s First Year in Office
BRRRR – it’s cold in the southland! 7 degree chill factor in N GA.
Did anyone catch Larry King last night? Rudy Guiliani was asked a question about terrorsim and if it had been played up too much. For the life of me, I couldn’t make sense of his answer. Later on the interview, he mentioned how “articulate” SP is. No wonder I couldn’t understand him – he was talking word salad, too!
Can’t wait for 60 minutes tonight! Keep warm, mudpups!
OOopps, sorry Newfoundland. Thanks Mona for making the correction. Should have checked if it works before posting. I´m a bit out of practice. Apologies. I hope you enjoyed it.
Tata
It’s hilarious, LFE… I’ve never laughed so hard so early on a Sunday morning!
A few thoughts “Game Change and the article @1 –
The bit about Elizabeth Edwards referring to her husband as a hick really bothered me because I have high regard for her. I’d like to think that it’s not true or it’s taken out of context but if I’m willing to squint my eyes on that one then I have to do the same for the Palin coverage. Quandry!
Re: Harry Reid’s remarks about Obama’s light skin working in his favor – I have to say that I believe that to be true as well. It’s an unfortunate reality and I see it as one that is changing as time goes on but I think it’s a truth that it helped Obama in some sectors.
Re: the tension between Obama and Biden towards the end of the campaign – Was that really all that much of a secret ? Wasn’t it sort of an unspoken assumption that after Biden’s bout of “foot in mouth” disease that Obama was getting frustrated ? It would only be human for them to get tense with each other.
And re: Biden saying that he felt more qualified than Obama for the presidency — Is that really so shocking either ? If I were Biden I’d have felt the same way and as a voter I’ll say that I think he is more qualified ( or at the very least he’s much more experienced ) For awhile there I wished that ticket was turned around. I thought that it would’ve been better to have an experienced statesman with foreign policy experience upfront and the eloquent, intelligent Constitutional law expert in the “next in command and learning the ropes” position. We would’ve still had the same team , it would’ve still been monumental and historical and it would’ve positioned Obama for a 2012 or 2016 run. Seemed more logical to me.
I’m interested in hearing more from the book but I just don’t see some of the revelations as terribly shocking. Unfortunately, if the Dem spin doctors come out to counter things then Palin’s camp is going to use that in their favor saying, “See? Everyone agrees these writers don’t have their facts straight”. I’d rather the Dems just leave it alone or simply admit , ” Yep – there was tension there from time to time and that’s to be expected. Not a biggie”
Hmmm… this was longer than intended. I think the action of typing was helping to keep me warm this morning! ( 2 degrees!)
From the book Game Change about John Edwards:
Edwards (Palin) reveled in being inside the bubble: the Secret Service, the chartered jet, the press pack, the swarm of factotums catering to his (her) every whim. And the crowds! The ovations! The adoration! He (She) ate it up.
http://nymag.com/news/politics/63045/index1.html#ixzz0cDtdV8P9
It’s amazing how interchangeable some of their stories are. Just waiting for Palin’s epic fall from grace.
Wow! Shannyn’s already got last night’s Moore Up North posted on her website.
Morning everybody!
Just a few thoughts about our favorite mentally unstable quitter/twitter queen.
These are just my our thoughts.
I think the reason palin bailed as Gov. had several reasons.
1. The pipeline that she championed and made her the queen of energy according to McCain, is going nowhere fast(read Andrew Halcro’s blog) and she did not want to be associated with it’s failure. It will be an albatross around her neck, but did not happen on ‘her’ watch.
2. Her book had to come out before any of the other damaging books did.
She did not want to do the ‘hard’ work of governing and the money was too darn good to pass up.
I’m not sure she will ever really run for the presidency. She has to know by now, how much hard work it would take and she can get all the same perks by being rich and famous. SHe will string her cult members along and get all the free money from them that she can. She will be the devil’s advocate between the republicans, tea baggers and the democrats.
3. She was very very lucky with Trigg. I saw a mom with a very handicapped Down syndrome girl in the store. She looked exhausted. The girl was a handful and very impaired. Can you imagine the queen dealing with that kind of situation? A prop that could not be used and made to work to her advantage.
4. I think that in the end, she will be caught in a scandal of epic proportions that only the crazy can ignore.
5. Or, I may be totally wrong and she will follow bush’s example and win the presidency by deceit and treachery. I live about 25 miles from Canada, I’ll send you all postcards!!!!
Her book’s fallen to #2 after just 7 weeks.
Looks like one of Grifter Grandma’s cash cows died:
http://www.thepalination.com/2010/01/update-national-conservative-symposium.html
Time for bed here! But I’m already a couple of evenings late and didn’t want another to slide by without saying Congratulations To You AKM for the absolutely well-earned award two years in a row
Wouldn’t it be great if this time next year we were all chatting about healthcare and how it’s improved everyone’s lives and trading homemade soup recipes because SCarah was no longer in the news?
Here’s hoping
I love Meg’s response: “$carah was there, the reporters were not”…as if it’s not a reporters job to find out facts!!! And in Scarah’s terms, that response was so “lame”. Seriously, that’s the best they could come up? “Read the book”. But I know now why she really had to write the book; to keep track of her own lies! It’s only 7 degrees here, but things are heating up! Happy day!
I wish the whole Edwards saga would just go away. Yes….it would have been disastrous had he won the election and then all was revealed. I am sure he knows that he has no further chances of holding any important elected office.
Elizabeth has been (and still is) going through such trauma with her cancer. She is a brilliant lady and has been a strong advocate for the poor and for health care reform. The effects of cancer-treatment drugs, to say nothing of the mental toll it takes knowing you are dying and your time is limited, would affect anyone negatively. Then add in the husband’s illicit affair(s) and so much publicity, it is no wonder she has been vocal.
If only the media would dwell on something of real importance to dwell on and let the Edwards settle their issues in private, and allow them a little peace and quiet with their young children, with whatever time is left to them.
Actually, laprofesora, “read the book” is a smart response – for Sarah. If she does anything else, like opens her mouth about it, she’s bound to say something that contradicts what she wrote in the book! That’s why she declined to be interviewed by CBS. When you lie so much, you can’t remember the lies you told.
I bet you anything the person who is her new handler told her not the talk to CBS for that very reason, and wow, she actually listened to the good advice.
Let’s see if she can keep her yap shut after tonight’s 60 Minutes broadcast. I hope so. It’s been so nice and quiet (too quiet?) without her blathering.
One of the many items to add to the list of reasons Sarah is so mentally out of whack may be her diet. If her eating habits were significantly weird for McCain’s staff to make them an issue, then they probably were pretty significantly out of the norm.
Fat and complex carbohydrates in some form is a necessary component of a healthy diet. They are a necessary part if maintaining good central nervous system function.
Sarah appeared increasingly anorexic during the campaign and continues to do so, if she is not eating a balanced diet with an appropriate amount of fat or oil and or complex carbohydrates as well as other nutrients, her brain isn’t functioning correctly.
The ability to concentrate, form permanent memories, and process through complex problems are affected, and Sarah seem so suffer in all these areas.
Caffeine can make you hyper and nervous, but does not help cognitive processing.
Arguably, any person who is so imbalanced that they are suppressing the normal hunger sensations has already stepped into a area of mental imbalance, denial, and self destruction anyway.
And we know from Sarah’s other behaviors that she does live in her own fantasy land, that includes lots and lots of denial.
Let’s pretend our country is governed by rich people, with CEOs controlling most of the money and lobbyists making sure Congressional pockets are kept suitably stuffed and the presidential race is suitably financed.
The Republican party is apparently no longer able to marshall a majority around the likes of the Teabaggers, which, with Sarah Palin, the rich guys view with as much distaste as dog doo on the bottom of their shoes.
How to distance onself from any sort of stinky populist tendencies, whilst reinforcing American’s adulation of the rich and famous?
How to keep pretending that an uber-rich lifestyle is within reach of any American with the ambition and luck to pursue and grasp it, so the riff-raff doesn’t break out the tumbrels and demand higher taxes, for instance. “Don’t wanna tax those hard-working CEOs, I might be one some day.” Snort! As if!
So we see the tentacles pulling back from Palin and ink being leaked into the water that Edwards [and by implication, all the rest of those Democrats] is just like Palin…but what next? Guesses, anybody?
I agree, Marnie. I think that Palin did not like standing next to Cindy McCain and some of the ultra thin New York stylists. She saw that next to the fashionable wealthy repubs, she was a dowdy, chubby frump. She is extremely competitive, and that pic of her with the “frowny face”, when she is standing next to C. McCain, who looks lovely in a body skimming frock while SP stands there in a chin-high extremely conservative jacket, tells it all. She stopped eating and drinking until she had to buy EVEN MORE clothing, and when she did get more it was shorter skirts, leather jacket, shiny patent boots, and breast-hugging blouses. THat’s why they spent so much money…she dieted herself out of the appropriately professional clothing purchased by the RNC, then had her staffers purchase sexier, smaller stuff. Then she felt better standing next to Hollywood repubs and skinny Cindy. Just my opinion.
I watched This Morning and was very irritated to see Liz Cheney at the Roundtable. WHY do these shows keep inviting her to be part of the discussion????? Her sole purpose is to put down the President and to defend her father and the the rest of the Bush administration. I understand that there needs to be a variety of opinions on any discussion panel, but there have to be hundreds of conservatives who are more experienced, intelligent and respectable than she is. Liz Cheney just needs to shut up and go away.
Naturally, she complained about the Reid comment regarding Obama’s skin color made during the campaign. It was a stupid thing to say but she ripped the ‘liberals’ for being allowed to dismiss racist comments when conservatives are always called on them. One of the other guests (I think it was Al Hunt) said something I thought was pretty interesting. He said that just because someone mentions race, it doesn’t automatically mean that the comment is ‘racist’.
Okay, now I need to go have a nice bowl of chicken soup and let my blood pressure return to normal!
Happy Sunday everyone, and for those of you who are shivering (we’re up to a balmy 11 degrees…woo hoo, double digits!) stay warm, cozy and safe today!
Would you not LOVE to read the 74 part questionnaire she had to fill out??? I would pay big bucks to see that, but actually I think it’s priceless. Do you think she had Toad do it for her? Or Piper?
#26 @ lilyf Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:49 AM
I agree, Marnie. I think that Palin did not like standing next to Cindy McCain and some of the ultra thin New York stylists. She saw that next to the fashionable wealthy repubs, she was a dowdy, chubby frump.
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Remember the story that she lied to Todd about shopping or something but really went to see Ivana Trump because Ivana was so glamourous? She’s probably had stars in her eyes since the Miss Wasilla beauty pageant.
Happy Sunday to all! With the unusual cold weather we’re having, I stayed buried under extra blankets til 1130. Missed all the shows, will have to catch them on replays and online.
I’m anxious to get a copy of Game Change; will have to see what’s left after bills and groceries.
Quick (late) congratulations to AKM for the well-deserved award!
Buffalogal
Remember that Elisabeth was going through devasting cancer treatments at the time ,with the exhaustion,depression,anxiety,and sickness that goes with them.At the same time,her husband was putting himself first with the campaign.She was dealing with the stress and anxiety and exhaustion of the campaign and of her husbands selfishness,hisl ies to the American public,and his infidelity to her. At a time when her husband should have suspended his campaign and supported his wife ,he was more worried about himself,his needs,his wants,his mistress.Im sure that there were many over the years,or why else would his aides have been so afraid of women accosting him?
I can forgive her if in moments of pain,anger,depression,exhaustion,sickness,etc,she lashed out at him.I understand that she may well have lashed out at his parents for raising a spoiled sefcentered brat,especially if they seemed to feel he should be excused for his actions because he is a man and he is popular.
We are all human,after all,and even a saint would have lashed out at such treatment by the son and the parents who raised him and still believe he is some sort of golden boy.
My husband took care of me during cancer treatments years ago.A man who nevr raised a finger around the house(grew up with 9 sisters) never cooked,never even mowed the lawn(I was an over achiever back then),he cared for me,shopped,cooked(Marie Callender I thank you!),cleaned,paid the bills,did the yard work,took care of the dogs and the grandkids,he took me to appointments and got my prescriptions.I still got sad or angry at times,and mad at the world,and he helped me through. John Edwards holds no candle to my DH with all his faults!!
Now I wish I didn’t already have such a huge stack of books lined up to read; “Game Change” sounds like a fascinating read. I’m looking forward to hearing more about it this week when it’s released. And the fact that it’s being published by Harper Collins DOES say something about the timing of Sarah Palin’s book coming out so early, and being part of the equation in Sarah Palin’s resignation as governor when she did that. Things are coming out and fitting together now. Very interesting… And we haven’t even heard the whole “60 Minutes” interview with Steve Schmidt yet. This is looking like a set-up for a very bad week for Sarah Palin.
Marnie, I think you’re spot-on about the diet. And didn’t Schmidt comment on that too? Also, the first thing that went through my mind when I saw the Hawaii ‘cottage cheese thighs’ was malnutrition.
Maybe she should have more crunch wraps ….
As I said somewhere else, if she keeps this up, she will not physically make it through the year – I don’t mean she’ll die, I just mean her body will physically collapse.
Nope, no running for president by that one. She’d have to turn over medical records and we’d all find out what really lousy physical and mental shape she is/was in.
Just finished Frank Rich’s column about what the rich are doing to this country, whilst we gossip about the likes of John Edwards, Sarah Palin…
“What we don’t know will hurt us, and quite possibly on a more devastating scale than any Qaeda attack. Americans must be told the full story of how Wall Street gamed and inflated the housing bubble, made out like bandits, and then left millions of households in ruin. Without that reckoning, there will be no public clamor for serious reform of a financial system that was as cunningly breached as airline security at the Amsterdam airport. And without reform, another massive attack on our economic security is guaranteed. Now that it can count on government bailouts, Wall Street has more incentive than ever to pump up its risks — secure that it can keep the bonanzas while we get stuck with the losses. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/opinion/10rich.html
Political personalities we understand and love to chew the fat over…finance, not so much. Why aren’t we discussing that jerk Lawrence Summers? Incompetent crook Robert Rubin?
“You Know You’re a Conservative When…”
from alternet picked up for Air America Radio
http://www.alternet.org/politics/145005/you_know_you%27re_a_conservative_when...
“Since almost no one is willing to identify with the GOP these days, it can be difficult to diagnose conservatism. Here are some tips to help determine if you are a conservative:
You hate those “elite Hollywood liberals” but refuse to cancel your Netflix account.
10) You refused to share your toys in kindergarten, saying it would put you on a dangerous path to socialism.
9) You get angry when there are choices for languages on an automated call because you still don’t have a good grasp on English.
7) You go to tea bagger rallies because you have no job thanks to the recession that “started under Obama.”
6) You watch Fox News, but unlike most people actually take it seriously.
5) You become absolutely livid about imaginary tax increases.
4) You are against wasteful programs like Medicare, but also against cutting waste from programs like Medicare.
3) You criticize Michael Moore for his weight, without being able to refute a single claim that he makes in his documentaries.
2) You can enter any collective noun into the following sentence “The ______ are screwing everything up” except for the correct ones.
1) You find yourself saying “no” even to things that you actually want, like ice cream, and health care.”
mommom & GG2C – I entirely agree with you re: Elizabeth Edwards having every reason in the world to lash at John and with everything she was going through I’m amazed she held together so very well and didn’t give him a huge dose of angry reaction because he’d deserve whatever she could throw at him. But the quotes they used in the Politico story made it sound as if she was arrogant and haughty and just didn’t sound at all like her. That’s what caught me by surprise. I’ve always admired her greatly and wished that she would run for office, back in the day. So, my first reaction was to want to assume the quotes were out of context but then I felt that if I could do that for her I’d have to give room for that to be the case for Palin. I think that’s more of where I was going with that .
And mommom – you are fortunate to have a husband that rose to the occasion for you. You’re right – Edwards and his $400 haircut doesn’t hold a candle.
GG2C – Also agree with you that the Edward’s should just be left alone. It’s done. He’s out of the picture. Let them deal with things privately now.
Interesting.
Apparently the number 8 and a close parin. creates an unwelcom smiley face.
Which brings up the problem of how is one to post a number 8 follwed by a close parin. in a comment that does equate with a smiley with sunglasses.
Wow Susie@32, I hadn’t thought about that – “And the fact that it’s being published by Harper Collins DOES say something about the timing of Sarah Palin’s book coming out so early, and being part of the equation in Sarah Palin’s resignation as governor when she did that.”
But it makes sense.
And she wonders why we don’t buy what she says about why she quit as Governor.
I have a habit of coming up with good retorts to questions or coming up with good questions to ask in a conversation … hours or days after the conversation is already over. Probably why I’m not in politics. I’m smart, but not always fast on my feet with that intelligence (I suppose, though, I could get better with practice). Anyway, if I had been Andrea Mitchell at the fishing ground interview, this is how it would have gone down:
SP: … you’re not listening to me …
AM: oh, we are listening to you. It is simply that we find what you have to say completely unbelievable. We do not find what you have to say a convincing argument for your stepping down. And we can’t believe what you say about the ‘lame duck’ status without also believing that you just insulted every other governor or public office holder for NOT quitting their job if they are not intending to run for it again in the next election cycle. Is that what you meant, Governor? That, say, Charlie Crist is just bilking the public because he has publicly stated he will not be seeking re-election?
SP:
SP:
SP:
SP:
(Form your own Sarah replies here)
Me, I’ll go with
SP: Who’s Charlie Crist?
McCain’s team thought Palin possibly had mental issues?! And they continued the cover up all the way to election. Not one person with this knowledge (and given the age and health of the guy at the top of the ticket) felt it was important enough to put a stop to? With the country at war and an economy that was failing rapidly, they still played the political game. People should be held accountable for this, of course with McCain at the top of the ticket.
Ack! See what I mean about coming up with things too late? I like this better:
SP: In what respect, Andee?
fyi: Moore Up North is up on Gryphen and Shannyn’s site already. It’s very good (an all Republican panel). However, the audio is better on Shannyn’s.
@ GreatGranny2C re: Elizabeth Edwards and Cancer.
One of my best friends, he and his wife both medically involved professionally, have used CARING BRIDGE to communicate with friends and family:
http://www.caringbridge.org/
Bruce’s excellent, if hard to take at times, ‘no punches pulled’ commentary of a year in [successful] treatment is a harrowing read, but till a very rewarding read from start to finish:
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/heidihansen
Hopefully this may be of help to those of you or who have family so stricken…
leenie17 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:49 AM
He said that just because someone mentions race, it doesn’t automatically mean that the comment is ‘racist’.
Yes, and the context of the statement does matter very much, as does the history of the individual.
In any case how does a leader or society address racism with out bringing up the image of race and racism?? Duh.
About the 74-part vetting questionnaire. That validates a pattern with SP, where she seems to feel she’s entitled to avoid filling out pesky forms of all types, being vague, and missing deadlines. It would seem she feels insulted having to fill out personal information to anyone, as they should all take her word. In her world, it would seem she cannot figure out why anyone would question anything she says or puts out there. Questionnaires, income inquiries, birth certificates, ethics investigations, those are all for the “little people”. Even the RNC should have realized the Queen was above this fray.
The Queen of the Teabaggers. “Queen LaTi-bag”
Yes, I do love Queen Latifah! Sorry to her, hope she isn’t insulted!
#34 Mo Political personalities we understand and love to chew the fat over…finance, not so much. Why aren’t we discussing that jerk Lawrence Summers? Incompetent crook Robert Rubin?
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I so agree. We need to focus more on the economic mess we are in and we need to make every effort to understand this better.
I’ll be out most of the day. But will read Rich later.
I won’t say our temperature but I’ll be outside and will need sunscreen. Had to water yesterday. This is extremem weather.
Visited various blogs this morning, before going about my day. And… I realized, with relief, a huge blessing! No more Granny $arah book tours.
I don’t claim to understand the strategy of the Republican party well enough to predict the motives behind tonight’s interview. However, it seems only fair that the criminals who created the monster that is O’Palin also be responsible for destroying it and making the country once again safe for democracy.
Palin’s minions are undoubtedly already preparing their dismissals and rebuttals of Schmidt’s revelations, but the more this information is exposed on a national platform, the better it is for all of us (outside of the Wasilla compund, that is!).
There were/are a whole bunch of political books, especially about the 2008 election, due out spring 2010. It does make some sense for Sarah to try to beat everbody else out of the starting gate and get solo attention –
however it may have been a bad strategic decision,
) Her lies got solo attention
) Her book cannot answer any of the accusations or claims in this spring’s releases.
OK Mudpups, I’ve got a serious question for you here.
In preparation for tonight’s 60 Minutes episode …..
Popcorn or Tater Tots?
It’s time for Mr. McCain to start answering some hard questions.
Congrats, AKM on winnning “the Best Political Blog in 2009!” Awesome!
Get your popcorn ready for tonight!
I’d have to also ask…pinot grigio or merlot?
On another note…I just read that Bristol Palin had established her own public relations firm. Here’s the link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aq0oYidTOnr0
I read that, and asked myself what on earth she thinks qualifies her to provide public relations expertise to the rest of us? I know the profession is often portrayed as little more than glad-handing, but as a person who provides graphic support to numerous public relations agencies I’m here to tell you that good PR professionals earn every penny–there is a great deal of training, strategizing, creativity, dedication, and sheer nerve that go into it.
And here we have a teenage high school graduate, with NO specialized training, and no real track record, trying to do something that responsible PR professionals take years to learn how to do. I just don’t know…
I’ve (obviously) not read all of the new book nor seen the 60 Minutes piece. That said, from what I have read (book exerpts posted) and seen (CBS ‘teases’), I think the ‘revelations’ about E and J Edwards (and even H Reid) are vital to the over-all creds of the book.
For sure, E was diagnosed with and has cancer, but that fact does not negate the (apparent) fact that she could be –and was– a real witch towards others. From what I’ve read and heard, the witchiness was already present before the diagnosis; the picture painted (for politics’ sake) conveniently omitted for years and years, that aspect of her personality. (We’ve seen similar ‘omissions’ of SPs personality for the sake of presenting the ‘ideal’ to the masses. We’ve also seen, among other things associated with SPs presence, ‘omissions’ of Todd’s intimate affiliation with AIP for similar reasons.)
J & E Edwards presented a finely-crafted picture to the public…SP did, too. Come to find out, neither picture was the real picture. Folks who were (are) fans of Edwards (both E & J) are going to be crushed by what is being printed, but that does not mean that what is (now) being revealed (about both J & E) isn’t true. We, here on Mudflats, have known for ages who the real SP is; the book just confirms it. I’m sure there are those who have known for ages who the real Elizabeth (and John) Edwards are, too; the book just ‘reveals’ it to the rest of us.
Since we (‘flatters) know how devious SP is, how polar-opposite her ‘public’ face is from her ‘real’ face, and how skewed the view the masses therefore have of her, is, the inclusion in the book of the other candidate’s/handler’s/message’s blunders, missteps, and faux pas, tends to make me accept those ‘revelations’ as equally valid. To my way of thinking, since the book does ‘reveal’ the not-so-pretty underbelly of SP [the 'underbelly' us 'flatters have come to know and love], it makes the ‘revelations’ about E & J Edwards, of HRC, of Reid, etc., that much stronger, that much more credible.
Of course, all the ‘spin machines’ will be going into double overtime in the next few weeks, but unless there is concrete evidence to the contrary, I’m going to have to give serious weight to what’s being exposed in the book about the whole ruddy lot of them… (No, Meg, sorry; your feeble attempt at spin with: “the reporters weren’t there, she [SP] was,” just ain’t gonna cut it.) beth.
54 BodieP Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 10:23 AM
On another note…I just read that Bristol Palin had established her own public relations firm. Here’s the link:
There has been some discussion about that, even on Rachael Maddow.
It is probably a front to syphon money from the Alaska Fund Trust, and also to solicit funds for Sarah.
Probably Bristol’s LLC is a way to receive funds from Palin’s stash, and not be taxed to the hilt, rather than if she were to accept straight cash as an individual. Her “company” will probably work on Palin’s “secretarial” type tasks – in regards to speaking engagements: returning correspondence, travel arrangements, contracts, agreements.. It may be where Meg Stapletongue’s paycheck gets routed.
#50 @terpsichore
It’s a special occasion – Tater Tots!
How do Sarah’s minions feel now that Going Rouge is free online? Pay hard earned money for the book, stand in line all night, experience a three second glimpse and a few marks in your book by Sarah or Piper or both.
Harper is going to make money. They rushed Sarah’s book to market and now they will let the “cat out of the bag” with this new book.
Going Rouge is free online? Where do I get it?
beth@55, appreciate your thoughtful comments.
I’ve been meaning to mention this book for a long time, so before I forget again, it’s called “Amusing Ourselves to Death” by (now Dr. ) Neil Postman.
It was published just before 1984 and the preface alone is enough for us to have many days of spirited and intelligent discussions. His premise is that Huxley’s “Brave New World” was basically a more likely scenario than what everyone else was worried about, Orwell’s “1984″.
And drats, I can’t find my copy of the dang thing to quote, but it addresses perfectly the problems of trying to have intelligent discourse in the ‘media age’. At the time he wrote it, the internet was but an infant, not yet a player in his analysis. His main target was TV, but everything he posits is perfectly applicable to the new internet technology, dissemination of information, and, of course, the importance of the entertainment factor.
You (beth) reminded me of this book with your comment that E & J Edwards “presented a finely-crafted picture to the public”. That is apparently what not just politicians are supposed to do these days, but also religious figures and teachers, among others. Postman’s overall premise is that we as a society will not tolerate anything anymore if it is not entertaining, and the ramifications that has. The finely-crafted picture is paramount – the reality? Not so much.
Yes. It is a sad state of affairs. I wish people could just be people, warts and all, and get elected to public office. If that were true, we’d have what the Tea Baggers keep claiming they want – “regular people” elected to their state legislatures, to the fed. house and senate, to the U.S. presidency.
But as long as they keep insisting candidates must be perfect (however you define that), that ain’t never gonna happen. Image will continue to trump substance. Money will be the only thing that can ensure that that image can be created, upheld, and disseminated widely enough. Candidates of every stripe will continue to lie because we have created a system in which if they do not lie, they will not be elected. (And yet we then get mad at them when they break campaign promises).
Again, although an older book, “Amusing Ourselves to Death” (Neil Postman) is a really interesting read and puts so much of what is going on here into sharp focus.
Also, it’s only about three-quarters of an inch thick in paperback, however many pages that might be.
I’ll go look s’more, see if I can find it …
both! and cashews and chips and bananas…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/george-will-takes-on-liz_n_417733.html
OH PAH LEEEZZZZE! another instance where cheney barfs lies through every orifice she owns (just like her sperm donor)…so harry reid’s comments were NOT OK and ‘racist’ and ‘liberal’ according to her, BUT teabagger’s Obama dipictions of bones through the nose are fine with her????!!!! how come she (they) never addresses THAT!?!!!??? I just want to round them ALL up (those lyin’ packs of unscrupulous *************) and … … … … … … … … … … ……………………… and throw some of the media (yes, hannity and your cohorts…you ARE the media) in there that won’t correct or take them on…also too. ARRGGGHHHHH!
@Beth:
I was gripped by that article in New York Mag about J&E Edwards. I was a supporter at one time. As word trickled in about him, I changed my opinion, obviously, and an article in the NY Times a few months back braced me for the blowback that was likely yet to come.
What was satisfying about the New York Mag article, for me, was an affirmation about a feeling I’d always had about Elizabeth Edwards. Everyone just raved about her, and we all felt (and feel) compassion for her. But I never took to her. I found her impossible to listen to in interviews. I guess, in retrospect, I never paid much attention to Edwards in interviews. He disappointed me greatly in his debate against Cheney. I liked his stump speech; I believed he was sincere; I felt he was charismatic enough for people to want to support him. It all goes to show how easy it is to say, “That’s my man–or woman,” and just tune out. It gave me more understanding of how easy it really is to be fooled by spin/public persona. Up till now, I just couldn’t see how the Palinbots could be so dumb. But apparently, so was I! For a little while at least.
What the Edwards were willing to risk is just unforgivable to me. If they’d had their way, McCain and Palin would have been elected, and McCain would surely be dead from the incredible pressure. Yikes. Commenters on NY Mag felt that EE should not have to die with such truths being expressed, but I disagree. She did her country a huge disservice. Neither of them deserve protection from the press, and they never did.
I’ve just finished some long overdue updates over at the Palin Digest site for those that have been asking when there’d be new articles added. As always, suggestions are welcomed! You can send email to the address on the site.
http://www.PalinDigest.presspublisher.us
Added a new Teaparty/Extreme Right section and also a separate section specifically for articles focused on her lies. Also had to add an overflow section because I’m running out of room and there’s still so much more to add! I think I’ll eventually have to start breaking it down into bi-monthly or quarterly additions but for now I’m going to stick with the single one that I started in Dec. Let me know what you think . Thanks !
Lainey @63 – I had to turn Liz off this morning. I couldn’t stand another second of her hypocrisy and arrogance. I was thinking the same thing about the photos of Obama as Hitler and everything that goes on at the tea party rallies. On top of that – how can she call an Obama supporter who believed America was ready for a our first black president, a racist ?? It doesn’t even make sense!
Mo @59 – is Going Rogue really free online ? I know the e-book is out but if it’s free, I’ll actually read the dang thing .
terp -
I’ll be goin’ with this…….
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/1d/53/31/nachos-and-margaritas.jpg
BuffaloGal @ 65 – Those are the times that I find a mute button extremely useful! I still had to glance at Cheney’s face every few seconds to see if she was done, but I didn’t have to listen to her idiotic garbage.
leenie17 – I hear you about the mute button. Sometimes when the wingnuts begin to spout I find myself madly scrambling for the remote so I can get to the mute. They are simply too painful and/or infuriating to listen to.
Sometimes though, I just can’t abide having their face on my tv and in my living room. Somehow it calms me to “delete” them from the house by clicking “off” .
Hey Michigander – I looked for you on the forum to send a message but you’re not there. I want to hear about the dream you mentioned a few days ago. Drop me a line! My email is on my twitter page: http://www.twitter.com/PalinTruthWatch
The shape of Liz Cheney’s mouth reminds me of Charlie McCarthy!
I read Halperin on Time “the page” all during the campaign, but I am really disappointed that he went after Edwards’ wife like that. Seems to me the ripping open of the blouse tale was more appropriate to National Enquirer. I can hardly begin to imagine the pressure she was under, and still is. I thought she was silly to do the most recent book tour and get into the “other woman” thing, but I cry foul on this tidbit in Game Change.
Someone mentioned that going rogue is online? is it?
I’m sure some of you have already run across this blog, came out in December and the analysis and comments are interesting…http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/rogue-thoughts-chapter-by-chapter-on-sarah-palin/ Some Alaskans weighed in to keep the story straight…..
The 60 Minutes interviews tonight may not be totally groundbreaking with what they expose. You have to assume the juicy tidbits are already out there as teasers, such as what Rachel covered. It could be the ‘ response ‘ to these reports that make the News after they air. With ‘ S & M ‘ at the helm and their divine wisdom when it comes to making ‘ statements ‘ to the Media… Will we get an another ” Iconic Image ” press statement? That one was historical.
It does show a trend though. The tide may be turning. She is now relying solely on her FaceBook and just a few Conservative ‘ Fan Blogs ‘ as a means of positive spin. THAT is also changing. Remember Dan Riehl just a few months ago that with his blog went after Gryphen..? ( with Van Fleins help )
Dan Riehl was solidly behind Granny… now.. not so much.
Check the previous post up late last night over on Palingates. He seems to be in an ongoing battle with that ” Beg-A-thon blog “. He is calling them all kinds of names and the responses from Them are coming back as well.
Their ‘ Happy Marriage ‘ from a few months ago seems to have evolved into a bitter Divorce. Looks like he has dis-owned them. He supports CPAC, while her Fan Site is blindly behind Granny and her decision to di$$ them.
Just one more of those ‘ conservative’ blogs who are no longer in her corner.
People are jumping off the ship she is steering….they see rocky shoals or an iceberg in that path. Granny’s ship is slowing taking on water.
Make sure you read the Palingates quotes from Riehl inside that thread. There is an internal War going on within her Fanbase and it is getting nasty and ugly.
The ‘ Followers’ Vs the ‘ Thinkers ‘. Fun to watch… pass the popcorn.
when is 60 minutes on?
BuffaloGal page well done. i subscribed!
I change the channel or hit the mute button for three reasons: 1) lizard cheney is yapping about crap that her dad, darth, implanted in her brain in chip form regarding current talking points to preserve his legacy (puke). 2) sean insanity is prattling on about yet another member of the president’s administration that is a communist, a socialist or a child molester. 3) Sarah McLachlan starts singing “In the arms of an Angel” and pictures of skinny, abused animals start appearing. In scenario 3 I have to mute it, put my hands over my eyes and quickly turn off the tv or change the channel. I just can’t bear to watch it.
Liz Cheney is a lot like Mary Matalin. Remember Matalin? She recently said that Bush “inherited” 9/11, Then giuliani says that Bush’s policies prevented any domestic terror attacks during his term. And that Obama should take a lesson from the fact that Bush had none, and Obama has had one. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror?
Johnny@72 Says: “when is 60 minutes on?”
Good question. Another question the Palin fans are asking is “how long does that program last?”
How long does 60 minutes last?
I think it’s 6 eastern, but I don’t know what is done in AK about that early time period. I doubt that anything new will pop up about Palin on the program, but it might have been taped before some of the dirt on the Edwards, Reid, Clinton, etc came out. Out of the book, that is.
What’s so funny about asking when “60 minutes” comes on?
#75 Johnny, sometimes it makes you wish that all the pundits would be hooked up to a “truth meter”. A taser type shock and bells and alarms would go off every time they told a falsehood. Faux news & hate radio would be working with skeleton crews if this had taken effect after the election.
This is what a real interview should be like. Jeremy Paxman (BBC) interviews Michael Howard in 2007. The fun stuff starts at the 4.00 min mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsd8RAoqI
60 Minutes comes on at 6 pm Central. They have 3-4 segments of different subject matter within the hour. Andy Rooney also , too.
Barbara @73 – I didn’t realize I had the “subscribe” option turned on. Thanks for letting me know! I wasn’t planning to start a newsletter until March. I wanted to see what $’error would end up doing. But after you mentioned it I went in to see if anyone else subscribed and was floored by how many people had signed up.
JC @74 – The McLachlan commercial destroys me. I can’t deal with it and I turn it off , every time. As I run for the remote I am apologizing to any and all gods/guides/and angels that look out for the 4-legged spirits but I just can’t watch it.
hig @71 – “the tides may be turning” – From your lips to God’s ears ! Let it be done and over, and soon!
Yes, JC. I can’t stand the way their fellow talking heads are so mild on them and on each other….can’t stand to offend in case they need to fill their panel with experts. But I think it backfired on Guiliani, so many have pointed out that he “forgot” 9/11, Maddow practically was reading him his last rites.
Perhaps off topic…but I too am tired of seeing Lyn Cheney on TV.(#27) What credentials does she bring other than being an apologist and supporter for her father? I am going to make it a point to not watch any program that has her on it….I have the same feelings about Dick Morris….I refuse to listen to one thing that eel says!
Ok, so is 60 minutes on in an hour’s time?
I’m 5 hours in front of you!
jc in co -
You might like one of these……..
http://www.bswatch.com/
It reminds me of years ago when trisha nixon used to speak out in favor of her fathers policies. That must of been a real party for Cheney growing up with darth vader.
katie Bochum -
And a fat eel at that….
Liz Cheney…not the wife Lyn!
according to the site:
60 Minutes, Sunday, Jan. 10, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
I’m not around a TV today so I hope you guys will do some live blogging
Regarding the Cheneys, hubby told me the other day that he was hearing from conservatives co-workers and family members that Darth Vader is who they think will be the 2012 repub candidate. I’ve also heard this from other sources. He asked me what I thought about that. To begin with I told him, it’s highly unlikely he’ll be alive in 2012, but….Ok, mudpups shoot me but I said I would rather see winky as potus than Darth. Of course, we would have to immediately give up our citizenship and relocate to the other side of the world
in either scenario. My guess is that you couldn’t get far enough away to not be
history with the rest of the world if either one was in charge. Perhaps by then we’ll be able to relocate to another planet.
Write George here with your complaints about Liz Cheney Jr.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=6205231&page=1
@Irishgirl – wow, that was a fascinating exchange. The Howard fellow would not give a direct answer no matter how many times the Paxman fellow posed the question. If the former governor of AK was subjected to that type of skewering and scrutiny, she would’ve walked off the set.
60 minutes is shown on CBS at 7 Eastern, 6 Central, 7 Pacific, 6 Alaska.
In Anchorage it’s on channel 11 at 6 p.m.
It turns out it’s an hour-long show . . . who knew?
Irishgirl -
That is quite a story about Mrs. Robinson over there in Ireland.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/iris-robinson-mrs-robinso_n_416902.html
@colibrimoon – exactly. That is the type of skewering and scrutiny that she should be subjected to in interviews.
Paxman also had another good interview (amongst many others) with Tony Blair.
Lots of comments going on …
As with wall street – in last 20+ years the banking industry has been de-regulated to the point there is virtually no oversite. They basically control the “cash flow” of a business and can easily destroy main street by limiting or denying operating cash.
Although this is now coming to light, it has happened to other types of businesses in the last 30+ years. I remember when land prices soared in the late 70′s early 80′s. The banks were practically begging farmers to take on new debt for equipment / expansion etc. Then a couple yrs down the road the farmers had to sell out to big corporate farms because the banks refused to renew operating loans, and they were under water on their debt.
Even in my community – houses are underwater because ppl bought houses without down payments, financed all (most) of the closing costs, and looked at buying a house as an “investment” (not as a place they were going to live for years) also many first time buyers had to move to higher priced houses because virtually nothing was avail. in the $75-125K price range.
I don’t know who said “who controls the purse – controls the country” (world) – without regulation & oversight…… they are doing it.
What? 60 Minutes actually lasts for an hour? Let’s see, that would be ….umm…looking for calculator….tap, tap, tappity, tap…one hour is 60 minutes?
rebekkah Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:16 AM
The Queen of the Teabaggers. “Queen LaTi-bag”…..
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Or rather Queen LaTi-DUH
they thought she had mental problems?
oh boy.
i like my tater tots real crispy with salt and warm ketchup.
(you know that meeting where they discussed O’serror’s mental state must have been a doosy…….bet they had tater tots double-deep fried for that one
(wondering if the 8 parenthesis will do its thang)
264 Crayons Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
rebekkah Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:16 AM
The Queen of the Teabaggers. “Queen LaTi-bag”…..
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Or rather Queen LaTi-DUH
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i love myself some Queen. she is a sweetheart is Latifa.
For those wanting to do some investigation of the two Health Bill, Congress vs Senate here is a website that might be useful. From a Huffpo comment.
( haven’t checked it out yet )
It was put out by Kaiser which has had a pretty good reputation in the past.
Better than one of these GOP paid for Health Orgs out there giving Opinions.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm
Are we nearly there….has it started yet?
Just curious….?
Will there be any East Coast Mudflatters that will show up in the Forum Chat Room to discuss the 60 Minutes episode..?
It will be coming on there soon…….
14 BuffaloGal Says: January 10th, 2010 at 6:19 AM
The bit about Elizabeth Edwards referring to her husband as a hick really bothered me because I have high regard for her.
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Considering certain of his activities and his lack of honesty with her, I’m of the opinion that he’s luck – very lucky – that she’s not calling him worst in public. Frankly, she’s earned the right to call him just about every name in the book.
Wow, jc@82, that’s some pretty scary what-iffin’ your posting – “hubby told me the other day that he was hearing from conservatives co-workers and family members that Darth Vader is who they think will be the 2012 repub candidate. I’ve also heard this from other sources. He asked me what I thought about that. To begin with I told him, it’s highly unlikely he’ll be alive in 2012, but….Ok, mudpups shoot me but I said I would rather see winky as potus than Darth”
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Did they not learn anything from the last McCain campaign? Old Guy w/history of health problems Pres. candidate = really pay attention to VP running mate
I won’t shoot you. Heck, if McCain had won, how do we know that McCain wouldn’t have died in office, Palin would have been impeached, and then that would have left Nancy Pelosi running the U.S.?
Do you think the Palins will have company over tonight to watch 60 minutes?
I bet her kids have found somewhere else to be tonight so they can avoid their mother’s drama. I expect there will be some ranting and raving at the Palin home tonight.
#106 Terp, I could live with that. I have a lot more respect for Nancy Pelosi than Harry Reid. I find Nancy Pelosi to be a very effective speaker. She’s not very popular but I think that goes with the territory. I’d like to see her & winky debate. Nancy Pelosi has more class in her pinky finger than winky has in her entire cottage cheesy body.
Countdown to 60 Minutes. One and a half hours left. Am trying to not expect too much in case of disappointment. But, am certain this show is going to win the ratings war tonight. Buy popcorn shares too. And potato shares, as in tator tots.
OMG…one and a half hours!!!
tick tick tick tick tick tick… it’s ON in 2 minutes!!! Go Steve Schmidt!!!!!!!
I hope someone will live blog it!
60 min. 8 pm Pacific time? I don’t want to miss it.
More info as it relates to my #71.
If you have just way toooooo much time on your hands and want to go back in the Wayback Machine to June 2009 you can compare her Facebook Notes.Look at the ‘ style ‘ of writing Before… then and guess Who is writing those for her after that date.
Patrick at PG posted this little nugget in their current thread about an hour ago. This is just a small portion and I deleted their name-it is the ‘ Fan blog’
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( Quotes he found on another Site )
“The so-called “adults” at ( Her Sea of Fans blog ) left in June 2009, after a sojourn in Alaska where they had a tete-a-tete with Palin.
“Hear Hear! The old ( Fan blog ) veterans met with Sarah Palin in June 2009! These were most likely Rebecca Mansour (RAM), Tim Lindell and Joseph Russo, who then disappeared from the list of ( Fan blog ) contributors on the website. This information is further proof for what many have thought for a long time: That Sarah Palin’s facebook posts are most likely written by Rebecca Mansour, Tim Lindell and Joseph Russo. ”
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I wonder what the May and June Notes said…? I’ll bet there were NO fancy footnotes, quotes or references that made them sound ‘ professional ‘ in those early posts.
I have a feeling I’m going to be disappointed with what happens on 60 Min. tonight. I’m watching the national news on NBC right now, and the big news is all about Harry Reid and Obama. Someone somewhere is pushing the spotlight on this story.
It’s on here. 1st segment is about billion $ border security boondogle…Boeing hosing the Gov. with sub-par equipment…….gee… big surprise there
Here we go……
last minute replacement….Rick Davis saw her on youtube….
God’s Plan …. Oh My God
one lawyer searching internet for background…no one went to Ak.
She knows nothing…could not say who Track was going to fight
The Perky Interview…..
Palin didn’t do her homework !!!
Did not prepare !!
OOOOPS
she did not do her homework….prepped by reading Mat-Su Frontiersman
Schmidt says Not one “Gotcha Question” in the Katie interview ….
so much for the ones than ended up on cutting room floor
untruthful …inaccurate…..to this day
“Mis Characterized” the Branchflower report – Todd isn’t in the AIP – of course No response from Queen of Denial
Hmmm — Other Sarah
Oh, I luv Steve Schmidt. Can we adopt him?
the other sarah…..eyes glaze over…..staring down……no focus….overwhelmed
West Coaster here, so thank you for blogging!!
..haven’t seen “60 minutes” yet..but the comments are flying on its web page….nothing spectacular , each side saying the other are liars…
Happy Sarah in front of crowds
Glazed (deer in headlights) eyes in private
the O’Biden tic
he’s dodging the do-over question
A video clip of Sarah exiting a bus, someone holding baby Trig for her to greet, and she steps right past the baby…
Ahhhh — the semi truth — would you do it again?
No Do-over (Schmidt)
However, without SP on the ticket, we would have lost by more
eh… Schmidt, did his own damage control… coward.
lol – thats it???
can I say …. The End ?
A video clip of Sarah exiting a bus, someone holding baby Trig for her to greet, and she steps right past the baby…
Oh really??!! Niice
I was banned from the 60 Minutes website for posting “Sarah should never have written a book bashing the people who lifted her to national attention. Even dumb animals know you never poop where you eat.”
Lordy. So Sarah, rather than being vice-presidential material, is chosen to reduce the margin of defeat. Nice. Way to go McCain.
ds55 – wear that one PROUDLY!!!
WTG ds55! LMFAO
Was not much more than the tidbits we were teased with
May have to check out the book tho
PS Playoff Game is tied – going to watch last of it now
well – that appears to be it…..interspersed with bits from the Obama and Clinton campaigns…..was not all about sarah……most was though..no real bombs…..stuff we on the blogs knew already …..as others have said , hopefully MSM will follow and start asking hard questions……..
wait… Troopergate didn’t get brought up…. I thought that was on some of the clips on people’s sites????
Oh wait, never mind.. it did… discussed that the Branchflower report said she was guilty and she said she was exonerated… my bad… too. much. information!
me too Enjay , also
ds55-
Ya got caught in the poop filter…
Go Arizona?
well… that was fun.
Seagull -
they are lookin’ good
WAHHHH!!!!! This makes me chuckle. One of those Palin supporting,rewriting history, don’t like what you said, I’ll twist your words, Blogs has decided the comment on his blog was not worthy…. at least not the WHOLE comment.
(Can’t have people using/checking real Facts to distort their Fantasy world )
I found this blog because Andrew Sullivan linked to Gryphens post. Within the D Dish post there were stories linked to him. I wondered what others were saying about it.
I won’t link his blog but you can find him by Googleing ‘ healthcarebs’ dot com
He was defending Granny about the Schmidt interview, embedded the video and called it a ‘hit piece ‘. He then made certain insinuations about the TrooperGate investigation, the motives and Who was doing the investigating.
Conspiracy by Kim Elton and Hollis French.. yada… yada..see” Look at this Pic”.
( This was HIS proof. I will post what my reply was below )
Guess what..? He edited me at the point where I will draw a line.
If he didn’t like the content of my comment, why not delete the whole thing?
I think editing it is sillier than just deleting it. What a Maverick… yu betcha.
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honestyinGov wrote:
Memo to Catron,
You are not being very clear and concise with WHAT you are TRYING to insinuate but let me take a guess and presume that your point was Hollis French was a Democrat so this was somehow biased in their finding. Yes… do LOOK at that picture and find out the names of THOSE people. ALL of them. There were ” 10 ” Republicans in that Investigation and only 4 Democrats.
******* The parts below were all cut off *******
Yeah… it looks like they stacked the deck with 10 GOP ‘hacks’…Your Word. Clear enough..? BTW: Mudflats had a very, clear, concise story on this yesterday. If you want FACTS…. not Opinion.
Posted 10 Jan 2010 at 6:43 pm
bubbles -
yeah…..I guess underwhelmed works for me….
I thought the God’s plan comment was the most interesting thing Schmidt said. We’d heard numerous versions of this story from $arah but Schmidt was there. And he’s less of a liar than Palin.
Seagull -
WTF ?? That was a chip shot…..OT baby
The 60 Minutes segment was underwhelming for sure. I appreciated that Steve Schmidt has taken off the filter, and is starting to speak truthfully about his experiences with SP during the election. I’m sure he knows the book will not be kind to him, and if he wants to be employable for 2012, he needs to come clean for his next employer. There is definately alot more to uncover, and hopefully the MSM will do more homework between now and the start of the 2010 election insanity.
Separate topic. Go Arizona, but since you blew the damn winning FG attempt, I don’t have much hope in you holding off the Pack for the win.
YEAH BABY !! PA-John………o ye of little faith……Wow !!
Regarding 60 minutes: CBS really blew it. They released the entire interview in bits and pieces ahead of time, so there was nothing new in the final product. No need to watch the show in the future, just keep up with the clips and you’ve seen the whole thing. Now we wait until tomorrow when the book is released and see if there’s anything new there, or if all the momentous tidbits have already been exposed.
PA~John Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:10 PM
Separate topic. Go Arizona, but since you blew the damn winning FG attempt, I don’t have much hope in you holding off the Pack for the win.
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Imagine how I feel here in Phoenix! For this I broke down and tuned in to FOX! AARRGGHH!
And…..since this is an open thread, nothing is OT!
so who won the Cincinnati game? i forgot and was watching Doctor Who. it’s the one where he dies and a new, different Doctor is regenerated.
Well wow, I thought Steve Schmidt came across as very convincing and truthful. He excused himself at the end saying (basically) that as a political advisor, he did his job, that had they not used Scarah as a wild card (my term) they would have lost by way more percentage points.
LOL, so okay, he’s trying to out her for the fake she is, but trying to do so AND keep his career going.
I loved the part where he was explaining she knew no history, about NONE of the past wars, nadda. I do kinda feel sorry for him, lol, he apparently had no clue what they were in for. Betchya he learned a lesson there! I give him credit for speaking out about her, and I don’t think it was to defend himself or others to her attacks in the book, I think it was because it HAD to be done, lol.
Also too, I can’t believe she couldn’t correct the O’Biden thing, that’s flat out weird and lame.
They said she declined responding to the interview. Wonder of wonders, she must be afraid of Steve Schmidt.
And I stayed up for this!
PA~John – my son’s hoarse from yelling for the cardinals – he’ll be wearing his boldin jersey to his NC school tomorrow, as he does every time the cards win, or in the case of the super bowl, even when they lose. i actually sat and watched the whole game with him tonight, which i never do. i left and returned to the mudflats when the fg was missed and very shortly here was my son yelling for joy!
bubbles jets won according to my son.
Austin & PA John – what a game! (finally, all the others were duds)
Caught just a snipet of 60 Minutes, disappointing, nothing new for me except the two faces of Sarah, on camera smiley and perky, off-camera glazed eyes and head down…a bit overwhelmed are we? He ends up saying McCain would have had a bigger loss without Sarah. So what does that tell you? McCain is a loser with or without Sarah.
thanks Barbara. i am a New Yorker but i like to visit Ohio.
Jonny@70;
Thanks for the heads up on the John Mark Reynolds review of the Palin book. It was very enlightening to read what a highly educated evangelical had to think about “Going Rogue”.
Made me realize that I spend way to much time reading “like-minded” opinions and not enough time perusing the thoughts and writings of those with a different mindset (not musings of the mindless “bots”, mind you, but the ideas of the more educated folks on “the other side”.)
Thanks again for posting the link.
I think the response to Schmidt asking her if she was ready to be one of the most important and focused on people of the world, and asking her why she seemed so calm and not nervous, she replied because it’s Gods plan should have been his NUMBER 1 clue to the nut case he was talking to.
CLUE to the Republican Party STAY away from religious nut cases! and do your F’ing homework. And if it’s all about winning, at whatever cost, obviously we cannot trust the political advisers to candidates.
Don’t the Jets and Giants play in New Jersey now ??
it is wonderful to hear our children shout with joy. treasure that sound Barbara.
i can see you smiling
The “It’s God’s plan” statement uttered by Palin stunned me, she really is Bush on steriods….or Red Bull, as the case may be.
I didn’t realize that segment was about the book being released tomorrow, “Game Change” so not much new on the Palin front than what had already been teased by CBS. They know how to draw in the viewers, I’ll say that for them.
uh huh they do Austin but for some reason they call themselves ‘new york’ giants and jets
Awww, Packers, worst OT playing ever.
We have to remember, MOST of the people are not up on Scarah like we are, so yeah, to us this is same old, but not to the rest of the world this was probably revealing. No he didn’t bury her arse, this time, but I don’t doubt they have bigger dirt on her.
GO CARDINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With Jon Lyl, John McCain,Trent Franks, Jeff Flake and Guano crazy sheriffs and county attorneys, Arizona had to have ONE thing go right!
#168 Watching from New Jersey
-He ends up saying McCain would have had a bigger loss without Sarah. -
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I don’t believe that. I know too many conservatives who voted against sarah, especially older ones. They felt sarah was more much dangerous to the country than a term or two of Obama, mainly because of her lack of knowledge, notably, for them, history. If McCain had picked a more palatable running mate, they would’ve voted for him.
Say NO -
I bet the ranch that they have a dumptruck full of dirt on sarah. After the “selection” , remember how many Rethug operatives swarmed Ak. ??
Little Meghan McCain prolly has some good s^*t also , too.
Two things that really struck me from the 60 Minutes interview:
1. The “God’s plan” comment…that should have started all sorts of warning bells and whistles going off at decibel levels loud enough to be heard three states over.
2. The fact that Schmidt as much as admitted that she was picked ONLY for the sake of political benefit, regardless of the potential danger it could have meant for the country. I liked how Anderson Cooper pushed him on the do-over non-answer…basically saying that Schmidt’s refusal to enthusiastically say he’d pick her again was as good as admitting he wouldn’t. Still, the lack of vetting was unconscionable as was the the fact that they didn’t pull the plug about 10 minutes after they started working with her. ‘Country first’ my @ss!
Otherwise, not too much that hasn’t already been seen in clips and news reports.
I agree with GA Peach @ 180 – in an obvious effort to pander to the so called “base” McCain proved he would sell his soul for office. Likewise Palin showed by resigning in July that she would sell her soul for money. She has a million pals on facebook? Wow, 0.0033% of the population is totally deluded. What is truly disturbing is that the election was not even more lopsided.
I have been trying to followup on some of the Pebble Mine discussion but it is tough sledding. Lots of PDFs to wade through. One thing that is notable though is that the reporting of things seems to have cooled down considerably in the past year. For instance, nothing is posted yet for 2009 in terms of filings for permitting purposes or Technical Working Group minutes.
The way to either stop the mine or improve it to the point of viability is to challenge every shortcut and profit enhancing aspect of the development plan. The only way to do this is to ride tight herd on the DNR and make sure they are doing their jobs.
I did note that there was a recent $7 million earmark to improve road that will aid the mining operation. Perhaps an Alaskan congress person would be willing to create an earmark of a similar amount to fund citizen advocacy to assure that the mine is either developed responsibly or not at all.
Have to run, I will try to come back later.
The trouble with always putting things in “God’s Hands,” and saying that it all “God’s Plan” is the fact that McCain and Palin lost. That message (divine and/or electoral) should have been loud and clear. God chose someone else. Why doesn’t Sarah take the hint?
austintx @ 172 – The Jets used to share Shea Stadium with the Mets and have training camp at Hofstra University (my alma mater…yayy!) on Long Island. They started playing at Giants Stadium in NJ back in the 80s and they now seem to be holding camp in several locations including Hofstra, NJ and Cortland, NY.
Back in the 90′s, I used to help coordinate an NY-Ireland exchange program for young athletes with disabilities, and the Irish kids stayed in the dorms at Hofstra, often in the same buildings as the Jets rookies. I remember one day the elevator door opened in the lobby and I looked in to see a young Irish lad standing there, frozen, with eyes about ready to pop out of his head. He’d come from a tiny rural village in western Ireland and had never met anyone darker than his own milky white tone. On either side of him stood the largest African-American football players I’d ever seen. They very politely waited for him to get off the elevator, but he was so frightened that he couldn’t move, so they finally shrugged and got off, leaving him standing there. I was very sorry that I missed the tales of his encounter that he undoubtedly told when he returned home to Ireland!
When I had cancer, many people said to me that “God would cure me.” My response (cancer gives you the right to be snarky) was “then why did God give me cancer in the first place?” Can’t have it both ways, folks!
lol
In response to leenie
“The Other Sarah”….coined by Steve Schmidt and the McCain campaign
The blogs have known about and discussed The Other Sarah for a year and half or more.
The Other Sarah is the one who her fans refuse to believe exists.
The Other Sarah is hopelessly ignorant, willfully mendacious, and mentally unstable under pressure.
I personally thought Schmidt’s interview was devastating to the myth of Sarah Palin…..Maybe not to her blind, ignorant fans……but to the millions of people who don’t pay much attention to politics ordinarily, Schmidt’s quiet but blunt portrait painted of The Other Sarah was devastating.
#164
Irishgirl Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:21 PM
And I stayed up for this!
Irishgirl, your comment made me think of this:
http://s0.ilike.com/play#Deana+Carter:Did+I+Shave+My+Legs+For+This%3F:218758:s34595910.9647759.8842528.0.2.58%2Cstd_a12b7f56933e41b997d67d34a771a7e3
Austintx….yes we have our own little scandal here.
Smooch…loved the song.
Wow, the end of the AZ-Packers game was priceless. I feel a little bad for Rodgers … crappy way to end the season, getting stripped, having the ball land in the hands of the defensive player, who jogs in for a TD. But …. YEAH! 96 points combined score … great game! It will be tough for them in New Orleans next weekend.
Too bad the Eagles couldn’t get it done last night. 2 weeks in row the Cowboys destroyed them. I hope Minnesota (and the ‘old guy’ lol) takes ‘em out.
Irishgirl -
So , you guys have a modern day Mrs. Robinson , ala “The Graduate”.
What a story…….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/iris-robinson-mrs-robinso_n_416902.html
“That message (divine and/or electoral) should have been loud and clear. God chose someone else. Why doesn’t Sarah take the hint?”
Mae Lewis………it’s because these type ‘believers’ always, ALWAYS, believe the prophetic words spoken over them. If it doesn’t happen one way, they believe it will happen another. THAT is what makes them nut cases! They end up ‘creating’ reality to reinforce their belief system. Which is f’ing scary.
Austin TX, thank you, I’m glad someone else hopes, thinks or believes others have dirt on Scarah.
Hey all…haven’t posted much lately, but still check in regularly to keep up to speed. Don’t know if this is old news or not, but I just read that the Tea party convention (the one that Scarah was supposed to speak at) has been canceled. Anyone read anything else about this?
PA~John -
Yup…..me no likee Cowboys. Would love to see Jets and Vikings in the Super Bowl. Ya know , hot new slinger against the master.
Tuning in late. Missed the 60 minutes, though sounds like I did not miss much.
Gramiam @ 179 You forgot Shadegg. Who are we going to get to replace these bozos?
Deb, there are 2 events being referred to as the Tea Party Convention. The smaller of the two was cancelled.
ahh…ty lani
darn it…was hoping scarah would get something canceled on her for a change, since she seems to like to cancel her appearances
Been scanning the comments, I do agree with whoever said this was old news (60 Minutes) to most of us, BUT, watched it with SO who is Rush fan (I know I know, what can I say?) AND he became very enlightened during segment. Kept saying I didn’t know that, what is AIP, what is this God stuff???? Etc. Like I haven’t been foaming at the mouth since I found Muflats after Rep. Convention… so AT LAST a teachable moment! Point being, it was an eye opener to those who don’t live on the AK Blogs and HuffPo
PS Preordered book tonight, too…. Was going to be green and get it from library, thought about it, and selfishness won…
@Irishgirl,
Glad you enjoyed it! It is what many of her supporters must be thinking…that is, if they ARE thinking.
yep, irishgirl, you indeed do have a juicy little scandal going on over there.
my stepson works for the british embassy in d.c. and is on his way over there as we speak.
lots of diplomats are having to do their thing to keep things contained.
“the other Sarah” concerns me. I have been reading some of Sarah’s public statements when she first became governor. Some of them were actually coherent. It appears that whatever the disorder is, it is progressive, and worsens under stress. This isn’t just narcissism folks. There is something else there, but I couldn’t begin to diagnose it without a much closer relationship. (not to mention that it would entirely unethical to do so).
Nebraska Native -
Glad you “scored” on the teachable moment. I have family in Giddings , Tx. that STILL to this day drool over the fact sarah spent 5 days there last summer. ………sigh……..
Johnny @ 71- Thanks for the link. Very interesting to read a review from another perspective. The reviewer gave her every benefit and she still came up short.
Well at least the 60 min interview brought out Magnum Staplegun from her undisclosed location with the point-missing “She was there, the reporters weren’t” that ignored that Steve Schmidt WAS there and that Palin has a track record of “mis-characterizing” while these reporters don’t. I’ve missed her. She makes Palin seem almost charming by comparison.
Thanks AustinTx… I will sleep better tonight…
When women take “debs” to lose weight, does it affect their brain function over time?
ds55 – YES IT DOES
Elizabeth @202:
Disorder… or drugs?
Story on ADN about the interview but the comments are closed.
I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked !!!
Cowards…
60 Minutes was disappointing. Too short to really do the story justice.
And my oh my haven’t ya alls been busy little posters… 208 before me. Gads… gonna take some time to catch up. A busy mudpup is an occupied mudpup… we should invite s’error over to be busy wid us… is the invite open for her to join us? Or will she say yes before she doesn’t show up? Let’s invite her to join us. If she finds it’s too much for her, she can always quit.
sauerkraut -
sarah or one of her minions will definitely be reading……..
Reading and sarah in one sentence……….sounds messed up.
Nothing really new, to bad. The fact that they thought the conservatives would go for Lieberman shows how out of touch they all were even before they picked you know who.
dickless cheney lacks the cajones or character to actually run for the Prez spot himself. That’s why we ended up with gw for 8 years. Yes, it really was a Cheney presidency.
While the short segment on the book was on, I was eating macaroons and drinking pinot grigio.
austin – her minions might read, but they lack the ability to comprehend. God musta been looking the other way that day. …
As for Cheney and McCain… they are hoping the other one passes first, you betcha!
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Elizabeth Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:00 PM
“the other Sarah” concerns me. I have been reading some of Sarah’s public statements when she first became governor. Some of them were actually coherent. It appears that whatever the disorder is, it is progressive. …
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Yeah, her illness is called “Ego is Too Fleeping Big for her Quittypants Syndrome.”
to 183 Krubozumo Nyankoye – thanks for the follow up on the mining in AK that could be a disaster. I admit I am not following close enough, but I am willing to be taught how to fight the good fight from off-site (WA state). How can I help?
Overall, after watching my reaction is with the “almost nothing new, but it’s good that it reached a new audience” camp.
Although I have to admit that even I was stunned that she had to be coached on what WW I and WW II were. I really didn’t think it was possible for me to have overestimated her, but I guess I did.
I wish they could have clarified what the AIP is, because I expect most viewers had no clue, but I guess the larger point that she lies is the take away.
A subtle, but I think telling, point that was made was her ignorance about what her soon to be deployed son would be fighting for. (Of course, she figured out later that what they are fighting for is to defend her from having to answer any real questions from any real reporters, but that must have been after the campaign ended.)
Just got done watching 60 Minutes.
A few things struck me: (1) I think the Republican Party is letting Mrs. Palin know that they do not consider her a viable candidate for them. Period.
(2) The Republican Party is putting the Teabagger Party (as they first crowned themselves) on notice that they do not want their fringe elements in the Republican Party (and the Nation). As such, they are forcing Mrs. Palin to shut up (or be just a Republican fundraiser for them, not herself) or put up (and declare herself on the Teabagger Party slate or commit to the obvious that her PAC is just a fancy self-funding scheme).
(3) It was very obvious there was much more to this interview. I do not believe we saw the “juciest” (spelling?) parts, only what was known and speaks loud and clear. It would be even more interesting to know what was said that was not broadcast (yet).
(4) Mrs. Palin has been put on notice that there will be more to come if she continues her book tour appearance of gathering support to run as POTUS in 2012.
Since Mrs. Palin always refuses to “sit down and shut up”, or in this case learn, we can expect to see her to formally announce her candidacy and the formalization of the Teabagger Party. Bristol was very clear in her “look and words” in the Walters interview that Mrs. Palin thinks she can run for POTUS.
This will also force Rupert Murdoch to either fully support Mrs. Palin or to back off and come back into the Republican folds. I cannot believe that major industries (defense, automobile, what is left of steel, and even the health) would actually support a Teabagger Party and Mrs. Palin. In the end the Teabaggers do not like elite people and once they gain power, they will not like the true rich which control these industries and the exorbitant salaries the top executives receive.
The Republican Party is trying to save itself and in the process, just may save this Nation from the extremists who are trying to form and promote the Teabagger Party.
60 Minutes was short but fun.
They found Sarah Palin on YouTube. They vetted her by one lawyer googling her.
Katie Couric was fair and Sarah was unprepared.
Two Sarahs. One being the glazed eye manic Sarah.
When all is said and done, I think Schmidt and Company were still very kind to her.
Sorry, in my paragraph, after (4), I misspoke. It was not Bristol in the Walters interview. I meant to say Willow.
mea culpa
Political operatives were considering going to McCain and urging him that Sarah’s role as VP be mostly ceremonial if he had won. (What? They didn’t think of what would happen in McCain died in office and Sarah became President?)
Did you notice he always talked about winning; they chose her to win, etc. Nothing about a candidate being qualified. They choose her (from YouTube) because she was photogenic and “popped”. What kind of reason is that? Especially to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
She was unprepared. He said it repeatedly. And they regret their choice. Well, thank you. At least someone has the moral courage to admit the mistake they perpetrated on the Republican Party and the Nation.
“Are you prepared to be the most famous woman in the world?”
“Yes. It’s God’s plan.”
Are you KIDDING ME? This woman is so scary. She is the embodiment of every cold war movie nightmare that has ever been made. She *is* Dr. Strangelove.
BearWoman – Totally agree
A nice little warning shot to get back behind the party line.
Fantastic Playoff Game – didn’t care who won – just a great game.
As the resident dietitian/nutritionist, I would like to respond to the hypotheses on the dementia caused by nutrition, or lack of it. If she was getting food bars that had all the nutrients in them, she would have been covered on vitamins and minerals. If she was taking supplements in the form of pills, she would also be okay.
The more serious thing would be her anorexic or bulemic behavior. These would have been related to a more serious emotional problem. If she was bulemic, this would have accounted for her need for dental intervention. Also it could lead to serious heart problems from an imbalance in electrolytes.
Secondary to all of this: if a person is starving, they are constantly hungry. Their life is taken over by food. How can they really concentrate on anything else?
The sum total is that she wasn’t running on all the pistons.
Teabaggers will mimic those that came before them; they disdain the elite and poweful until they themselves are the elite and powerful.
It’s all envy-based.
Can I scream next time I hear someone say (again) the MSM is liberal, left-wing, in-the-tank for Obama?
Then why on the very same CBS station that aired 60 Minutes tonight, just now, the only story that ran on our local news about the revelation in the book Game Changer was Harry Reid’s comment? Michael Steele is all over Harry Reid’s comment from two years ago (I haven’t actually read the complete context in which he said it, but it sounds like he was simply describing the state of Americans’ perceptions, although, yes “Negro accent” was a poor choice of words), but has nothing to say (well, no one actually bothered to ask him) about not only Sarah Palin wanting to LIE during a presidential campaign but has no comment on the fact that she is still lying today.
Harry Reid (Democrat) makes poor comment two years ago vs. Sarah Palin (Republican) lying two years ago, lying in all the time since then, and continuing to lie today.
Explain to me once again how the media is biased against Republicans?
Have you seen the Geico commercial with Elmer Fudd? The director is trying to teach Elmer to say “rabbit” properly but poor Elmer has trouble pronouncing the letter R and keeps repeating “wabbit”. He finally walks away mumbling “This diwecta is stawting to wub me the wong way.”
I just watched it and thought of Sarah unable to stop saying O’Biden.
I thought the 60 Minutes piece was probably just right…any more of an “explosive” expose would hve created counter-productive push-back. Let it be the first small Mainstream leak in the dike.
I am sorry though ( like CGinWI in earlier post) that they glossed over just what the AIP stands for. I know that this “soft-core” insider’s account will have some impact on my WWII veteran father…but I think probably those acronyms went right over his head. I think if they had clarified that AIP stands for secession from the United States would have really helped to peal his eyelids back.
Be sure to go to the 60 Minutes website and watch the out-takes. They found Palin on Google! That’s how they picked her. Good lord!
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml
..I especially enjoyed the part where the daughter of a teacher had to be given lessons on American History…. and ALL that talk about Veterans!! …probably thinks it’s another word for the doggy doctor !! wonder if they had to tell her what it REALLY means , also.
Saints and Vikings ! BOOOO Dallas !!! ( Go Niners…next year y’all best watch out for us !)
#230 benlomond2 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 8:16 PM
..I especially enjoyed the part where the daughter of a teacher had to be given lessons on American History…. and ALL that talk about Veterans!!
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Yeah… ben, thanks for reminding us about ‘part’ of the interview as well.
So… when she says ” Do it for the troops “… she doesn’t exactly know what country the troops our Troops were fighting were from… Or WHY they were fighting there. Just make sure you ‘ support them ‘
I guess those Chuckie Heath Dinner Lessons didn’t exactly take.
( or did she Lie about those as well )
Or were they served on TV tables in front of the TV. Obviously not tuned in to the ” History Channel “.
@#224 Sandra in Oregon: As the *other* resident nutritionist (not a dietician, I’m a colonic therapist, herbalist, and so on), I must differ. Sarah’s nutritional needs would not be met by food bars. The vitamins & minerals in them (like the ones in most pills/capsules) are not nutrients, but laboratory artifacts that mimic the molecular structure of the real thing, which is found in nutritious food (greens, etc). If you remember your cellular anatomy, the ligands (cell receptors) on the membranes are extremely picky about what they’ll allow into a cell. Lab-created pseudo-nutrients don’t work; that’s why they’re excreted almost instantly & make the urine smell. Food bars are usually sugar, fiber, & very little else, nutritionally speaking. And all that diet Dr. Pepper and coffee makes a body extremely acidic, when it should be alkaline. Artificial vitamins, because the cells don’t admit them, end up in the lymphatic fluid, feeding bacteria, viruses, & parasites, which aren’t as picky as our cells. As for the anorexia/bulimia issue, right on. I thought she might be tweaking (taking amphetamines, which are plentiful in Wasilla) at the resignation speech (labored breathing, sweating profusely, shaky hands, thinning hair). Just one woman’s opinion.
Hey, Ben Lomond, I’m a Niners fan too. I used to live in Aptos. Boy do I miss living there as I am in a completely conservative town now. Dang!
McCain’s handlers found their Vice President choice on You Tube…you can’t make this stuff up.
Just one more of the various Media stories or posts that are out the. MSNBC.
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“There were numerous instances that she said things that were — that were not accurate that, ultimately, the campaign had to deal with. And that opened the door to criticism that she was being untruthful and inaccurate. And I think that that is something that continues to this day,” he said.
In the book, Schmidt is quoted telling Palin’s foreign policy tutors: “You guys have a lot of work to do. She doesn’t know anything.”
While flying home to Alaska to see her son off to war, she told her team: “I wish I’d paid more attention to this stuff.”
{ REPEAT: His words.. ” she doesn’t know anything ” }
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34795485/ns/politics/
poolman Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Tuning in late. Missed the 60 minutes, though sounds like I did not miss much.
Gramiam @ 179 You forgot Shadegg. Who are we going to get to replace these bozos?
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Yes, Poolman, I did forget John Shadegg, but then, he is just so forgettable!! Let us devoutly hope for a large pool of quietly competent Democrats, ready to step up and save us from the chaos that the Republican Party has created in the state of Arizona.
Too bad the Know Nothing Party is out of existence; Palin would be their ideal candidate.
Chris, Keith, and Rachel will no doubt flush out more details. Just the admission of how she was vetted was priceless. Affirmation of what we all suspected.
I’m running way way behind, so don’t know if anyone reported on last week’s LA Times Sunday crossword or not. The title was 51 Pickup, and the trick to some answers was to add Roman numeral LI to a common phrase or name, such as:
Space cadet selection? = OB(LI)VIOUS CHOICE
Badly neglected vehicle? = SQUA(LI)D CAR
Fish-eating bird’s dessert? = PE(LI)CAN PIE
Lassie’s baggage carrier? = COL(LI)E PORTER
Ultimate caterer? = THE LAST SUPP(LI)ER
But the best of the bunch?
Sarah’s campaign strategist? PA(LI)N HANDLER
That really made me laugh!
Let’s just say that I enjoyed the 60 minutes story so much that I am still smiling. To those of you who don’t think this is a big deal – I think it is actually a great big deal and not at all supportive or complimentary of Granny Palin.
It’s not about the whack job followers who have created their cult around her. They’ll never change and who cares. There are some of the nicer folks in church groups who truly would be disappointed when she’s become the proven liar born from greed maliciousness. It’s the moderates who matter, the ones who have still not formed an opinion but somewhat or fully believe the media has been overly mean to her. Those are the ones who don’t have the full perspective, and should know that the media did ask nearly enough questions, nor investigate much at all.
I loved every minute! Ankle biters and shin kickers, unite!
More stories from various blogs about the 60 Minutes story.
(Even after seeing this… Her fans support her in the comment section there. It’s also someone else’s fault)
“Sarah Palin was an unprepared, uninformed vice presidential candidate who repeatedly made false statements in public, according to a top McCain campaign aide.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/75097-palin-derided-by-top-mccain-aide-book
McCain had longer than anyone to find a VP and still didn’t have one 5 days before the convention.
They found Sarah Palin on YouTube and they vetted her on Google (spending all of a few hours.)
You just can’t make this stuff up. (But apparently Sarah can make up plenty and continues to do so.)
Did you catch the part where they asked Sarah Palin to comment and she said she’d covered it all in her book and wasn’t going to go through it again?
Ref: Reid’s remark using the word “negro.”
There’s been discussion about the 2010 Census form being racist/offensive because that particular word is included as ONE terminology of (a choice for) a person’s race. The reasons for its inclusion, I think, are perfectly legit and understandable…and, apparently, supported by their [the Bureau's] extensive research into how some people ‘identify’ their race.
(See: The word ‘Negro’ on 2010 census form offends some blacks –
http://www.thegrio.com/2010/01/the-word-negro-in-2010-census-form-offends-some-blacks.php )
While I admit to often being particularly ‘thin skinned’ when it comes to even the slightest hint of racism, bigotry, misogyny, or any other hurtful and ugly undertones in speech or action, (i.e. I’m constantly on the look out/aware of such junk creeping into any dialog of/with/from anyone) there are times when I just shake my head at ‘manufactured’ indignation. I seriously consider both the reaction to Reid’s remarks and to the Census form worthy of the ‘manufactured’ indignation designation. Context, context, context, to me, makes ALL the difference. Maybe that’s just me, though.
I’ve not read the book where the Reid ‘quote’ comes from, nor have I seen the exact quote; all I’ve been able to find [google-ing] are links to multiple pages saying Reid: “described [Obama] as a ‘light skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one’ [but that Os race would help, rather than hurt, his run for POTUS.] And ya’ know what? For as irate as the GOP is over ‘the double standard’ and for as much as Michael Steele is calling for Reid to resign, I think that what Reid said is right on the mark. Although candidate Obama made a crackerjack speech addressing race relations in our nation, that did NOT make the issue, the big elephant in the middle of the room, go away. His racial makeup was –and still is!– a major issue for many. As I said, I’ve not seen the exact quote, but from the phrases I’ve seen and from what I’m understanding were the context in which Reid’s words were spoken, I do not believe Reid’s statement was in any way ‘racist.’ Again, maybe that’s just me… beth.
There are outtakes?
I was just reading some of the comments on the CBS website, and I find Hope there. Well, it feels like it to me, at least.
A couple of quick quotes:
“Why was this piece mostly focused on Palin? There are other more relevant and contravercial (sic)comments by high level players (Bill Clinton, Harry Reid).”
In a comment bashing the show (and current administration) in general:
“The fact that you have stooped to degrading Sara Palin when she has already done it to herself is a new low… Do you really think you can continue to bash people that mean nothing when the prevalent people drive our country and economy into the ground? ” (italics are mine)
“…that mean nothing…” They’re starting to get it!
Hope. It’s a little like the lone flower growing up out of the schoolyard pavement. Its presence is amazing at all, yet it’s still growing!
Slightly OT–found this on Yahoo:
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Super Bowl-style corporate ads for candidates? (AP)
AP – Possibly coming soon to your TV screen: election-season Super Bowl-style ads promoting congressional and presidential candidates, paid for by some of the nation’s largest corporations.
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There’s a link for the longer story, but I found myself fantasizing about the “Budweiser President,” the “Geritol senior senator from Arizona,” the “Purina Dog Chow Representative from Montana…”. At least we’d know right up front who is being funded by whom, and how they’ll vote.
Of course Huffpo has picked up the 60 Minutes/SP story and so I expect other Media outlets will run stories or link back to them as well as a reference.
Once it gets on the net…. it gets the ball rolling. Try to stop it.
Leave a comment of Opinion of what you thought.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/steve-schmidt-palin-belie_n_417977.html
Found this on HuffPo, original artist, good stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/rantcaster
@232 zyxomma: Some long time ago, there was speculation here that Sarah Palin took some kind of medication. People noted how frequently she licked her lips. If you watch any video from her recent book signing, her actions are frantic, almost manic. She appears to run on boundless energy. Levi reported her state of depression after losing the election; the resignation speech seemed to be the opposite end of that dynamic, the manic side. Add medication, too much coffee, (how much caffeine is there in Dr. Pepper?), and poor eating, and I see Palin as a recipe for disaster.
I think that there was a telling remark in the interview, when Schmidt described Sarah changing into a different person, with glazed eyes. I think that it finally hit her that despite thinking that she had been “chosen” she wasn’t up to the demands being placed on her. How she dealt with that feeling of being overwhelmed is a guessing game right now. Maybe Schmidt has some more tidbits and some interviews coming up.
Sounds like the campaign staff and McCain were taken in by an age old problem–they mistook a sparkly personality for good character. Christ Jesus said to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. Guess all those religious people over there forgot about that.
One tip, Sarah. One way you can tell if it’s God’s plan is that it is completely honest and treats everyone with respect. In God’s plan, the ends never ever justify the means.
Now for something COMPLETELY different…
With all the talk about Yemen in the news recently, the TV channels have all pulled up –and constantly show– some stock footage of ‘training camps’ there [not to be confused with the stock footage shown for years of the 'training camps' in AFG.]
I can’t help it: Every time I see the single line of rifle-toting ‘trainees’ breaking to the left, right, left, right, (all the way down the line), I just know Busby Berkeley is spinning in his grave. He was such a master at choreographing incredible routines that the video clip surely would give him heart failure (if he weren’t already dead, that is).
To my way of seeing it, the stock-footage ‘dancers’ might could do with a bit more practice of their timing; they come off as rather ‘stiff’ in the footage. They also seem eager enough to ‘show their stuff’, but a tad unsure of the exact choreography of the routine. Maybe if the lads were making their left, right, left, right, etc. breaks/lunges to music, their production would’ve come off as a bit more polished and professional? Oh, Poor Busby. beth.
Well well well…..guess where Mr. Country First is hanging out on the night that Steve Schmidt is dishing the dirt about the debacle of the GOP’s choice for VP in the 2008 election?
Yep….over in Israel. He and Lieberman had a press conference (aka tap-dancing and waving frantically to divert the public’s attention from Schmidt) to undermine our President while on foreign soil. They tried to look grave and important but all that I could see was the treasonous jerk who almost sold our country out by sliding an ignorant and mentally unstable candidate into the VP slot in 2008.
From Andrew Sullivan’s post:
“The man who lost the last election reacts by directly undercutting the victor’s foreign policy goals, and does so abroad in the very country Obama is trying to push toward change.
Lieberman, for his part, is effectively telling the Israelis that Obama does not control US foreign policy with respect to Israel, and that he will be prevented by Congress from exerting any pressure.
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Message to a foreign government: if the US president tries to pressure you in any way, we will stop him and back you. McCain endorses Netanyahu’s position entirely, ignoring the settlement issue, and boldly supports a foreign leader over his own president. For good measure, they also both back the Netanyahu government’s position on Iran, calling for massive, general crippling sanctions rather than more targeted measures against the Revolutionary Guards. This again is effectively backing Netanyahu against Obama.
Are you surprised? Me neither. As an Israeli reader writes:
I was under the impression that foreign policy was formed in the White House, not congress, and isn’t it a bit weird for two right-wingers to attack the US administration on foreign soil? Then again, It’s Israel.”
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/01/lieberman-and-mccain-back-netanyahu-against-obama-in-israel.html#more
I remember in my old job as a casino pit manager,we had a meeting about promotions for those who had applied for them.One pretty young well dressed girl in particular,when her name was brought up,the other pit managers and I said “no way” because she did not have the skills for the position and did not make any effort to improve her skills,preferring to flirt and smile and hike her skirts up.Funny,but the other pit managers were men,and they felt the same as I did. The Casino manager was horrified!! “But she always looks so professional”"!!
Right then and there we learned why we had so many guys and girls who looked great in a suit,but had the knowledge,judgement,and integrity of a weasel.
Thats my take on Mrs O’Palin,too.
245 BodieP Says: January 10th, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Super Bowl-style corporate ads for candidates? (AP)
AP – Possibly coming soon to your TV screen: election-season Super Bowl-style ads promoting congressional and presidential candidates, paid for by some of the nation’s largest corporations.
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Only one problem with this: violates federal law with respect to corporations doing so.
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Here’s the URL for the DNR’s permitting site on Pebble Mine. At the bottom of the main page are 3 categories of available information. I am starting to look at the draft study plans for 2008. I am concentrating on chapters 4-8 since that is my area of expertise. There are also field reports that need to be looked at, I get the impression that DNR people are only at the mine site for a day or two at a time from the titles of these reports. Feel free to look at anything you have an interest in or experience with. Once again I think it is notable that NOTHING is posted there yet for any of 2009.
http://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/mining/largemine/pebble/index.htm
I am planning on concentrating on the permitting and mitigation plans for the containment dams and the mine waste slurries.
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sauerkraut @ 253
The SCOTUS is about to change all that and give corporations the same free speech rights as individuals.