McCain Defends Palin’s Violent Rhetoric.
So, when Sarah Palin talks about Democrats who voted for health care and says that it’s time to RELOAD (in all caps) and refers you to her Facebook page…
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And then she puts a map of Democratic legislators she wants to “target” and indicates them with cross-hairs
And then 10 members of Congress get threatened. And the brother of one of Palin’s “targeted” members gets the gas lines to his house cut because they think it’s the Congressman’s house?
Oh, we’re just overreacting. So says John McCain.
It’s not bad enough that he unleashed the Palin monster on our country through laziness, recklessness, and his own consuming ambition, but now he is defending incitement to violence. And he even manages to be condescending about it. Wow.
“Please. This is — any threat of violence is terrible, but to say that there is a targeted district or that we ‘reload’ or go back in to the fight again, please…Those are fine. They’re used all the time.”
“Those words have been used throughout of my political career,” McCain added. “There are targeted districts, and there are areas that we call battleground states, and so please, that rhetoric and kind of language is just part of the political lexicon. There is no place for threats of violence or anything else, but to say that someone is in a battleground state is not originated today.”
I have but one word to say to the increasingly loathed Senator.
Please.
Would he say that these times are typical of the rest of his political career? I thought not.
After a testy back-and-forth, Curry said, “I think it is the ‘reload’ and ‘crosshairs’ that’s caused a lot of people to be concerned, senator.”
“Maybe it has, and we condemn any violence, any threats of violence,” responded McCain. “But I’ve heard all of that language throughout my political career.”
The Arizona senator said that anger about the bill “should be channeled into voter registration and go continue the struggle that we’re in to regain America and stop mortgaging our children’s futures.”
I propose that instead of asking domestic terrorists to “channel their anger” into voter registration, that maybe it would be a better idea to arrest them. And instead of defending people who use these incitement techniques for political purposes, perhaps it’s time for some condemnation from the Republican Party. Just an idea.
if it was Palin’s family home which had the gas lines cut we’d never hear the end of it. Heck people can’t say things in private and she wants them to be fired . They are the worse hypocrites
In the heat of one of his “maverick” moments, McCain picked Palin as a running mate, a decision he must regret to this day. However, he’s now make a pact with the devil and can’t find a way to back out. He’s running scared of the right wing nuts in his state and can’t criticize Palin without mobilizing her worshippers against him. So what is an old, conservative Repub without any discernable base to do? The honorable thing? What’s your next guess?
I wish John McCain & Sarah Palin would go to Russia already. What a bunch of bull crap. If anyone did this to her she would be flipping out more than she normally does. Why won’t she just go away? Oh that’s right she better get all the money she can now because people are finally starting to wake up & see her for the ignorant grifter that she is. What was the Discovery network thinking?
McCrook can kiss my ass.
And Palin must be screwing Murdoch–he’s the one promoting her ass.
If you think TV doesn’t cater to the lowest common denominator, signing her up confirms it.
Ummm, channeling anger into voter registration … sounds like work for a community organizer.
Whatever about McCain defending her (there is no hope for him), Elizabeth Hasselbeck has come out very strongly against Palin’s rhetoric and she was actually on the campaign with her at one stage.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/03/elizabeth-hasselbeck-speaks-out-against.html
Thank you AKM. I am so frustrated today …. I really want McCain and Palin out of the public/political spectrum totally. And I can’t stop listening to the Boss: Devils and Dust. “Fear’s a powerful thing, It can turn your heart black you can trust, It’ll take your God filled soul, Fill it with devils and dust..”
Renunciation of violence from the Repugs?
Don’t hold your breath. Expecting that to happen would be like showing up at an “Open Carry” rally with a bulls-eye target t-shirt – naive and stupid.
You know, this totally disgusts me when added to what John Boehner said yesterday and what Eric Cantor said this morning.
Cantor’s remarks, in particular, was loathsome. He seemed to blame the violence on Democrats themselves and on the media. When will these people grow up and take responsibility for what they themselves have created?
We have video, for goodness sake, video of their violent rhetoric. We have video of many Republican leaders hanging signs from a balcony egging on the Tea Party protesters outside the Capital Building itself. We also have audio records of them cheering disruptions within the House Chambers and of some members themselves yelling out inappropriate slogans.
They are totally out of control with no conscience and no regrets. I can only hope that decent, thoughtful Americans will make sure that these despicable politicians are voted out of office for good.
I still do not understand why the FCC hasn’t stepped in to halt the likes of Beck and others who promote using guns to overthrow the government? I mean, the FCC under Bush was all over Janet Jackson’s nipple (figuratively, of course). Let’s see – that sort of fits, doesn’t it: a woman’s nipple is more of a threat on the safety and security of our nation than a crazy with a loaded gun.
My, my, the Bush legacy lives on though McCain-Pail and Faux News.
Hope you don’t mind me adding a comment about the sleeve wipe. Did you see the shoulder wipe Georgie made after shaking hands with a Haitian? He felt his hand was soiled somehow and he wiped it on Clinton’s shirtsleeve. Willie, a Morning Joe co-host, denied that was what Georgie was doing, concluding that it was just a “slow shoulder pat.” Yeah,right.
I can’t bear to watch Morning Joe, but my husband loves to laugh at the conservative spin on things. Most mornings though, I switch stations before he gets out of the shower. It just puts a damper on my desire to fix and eat breakfast.
P.S. to DebinOH. Go to the petition site, sign the petition and let the Discovery Channel and its sponsors know that you believe Palin is a grifter. After all, just like Faux News does with the palin-bots, if we say it loudly and long enough, more people will listen. Our voices just need to be more active and as persistent.
P.P.S. Great commentary on the Shannon Moore Show yesterday, Ms. Devon. You had me laughing and stomping about late into the night. It was my first time listening to her podcase. It won’t be the last! Thanks so much.
Keep talking Johnny, your political career will be over in November.
Language creates perception. And perception of Sarah’s wishes in the already skewed perceptions of her fans can most certainly incite violence. Given she is too obtuse to understand the concepts in those two sentences, I will let it rest.
McCain is a washed up old hack who continues to endorse SP in order to deny his culpability in putting her a heartbeat from the presidency. Every time he speaks, which is all too often publicized, I want to send him a note: neener neener neener, Obama won, you lost, now you’ll never be president.
It is past time for McCain to go to a home. I think all he has left are his delusions: one of them being that he waged a good campaign, fought a good fight, whatever; which he DID NOT. Everyone knows that and a part of him may know it but to admit otherwise is to give up all he has left.
He had to defend her he helped to create her. Kind of like the creation of Frankenstein with the heart and brain forgotten.
Even E. Hasselbeck said she was disappointed in her hero.
WTH?
McCain is correct about this not being new verbage, but it’s totally irresponsible to use it now with the REAL threats being made. Simply condemning the verbage is not enough. Strong condemnation and urging civility is needed, if that will do any good. Flush, Beck and Palin need to rachet things down and the real leaders of the GOP need to put serious pressure on these “responsiblity free talkers” to calm down. “Responsibility free talkers’ was a term that David Frum, GW Bush’s former speech writer has used to describe these self aggrandizing conservative entertainment figures.
This is the guy who sang “Bomb, bomb Iran” during the campaign. The guy who flew jets and dropped bombs on villages in Viet Nam. The guy from the Old West. The gun slinger with the short fuse. I actually think this kind of language means nothing to McCain. He doesn’t get it. It is both scarey and pathetic. He should make a graceful exit.
AKM, I completely agree with you. People who act violently should be arrested and people who incite them to violence should be as well. I can’t believe the rethugs aren’t taking more of a stance against this violent rhetoric. Even when Boener said it wasn’t right, he started his statement with a justification of sorts that people are really angry. Well, so what. I was livid when Bush stole the election – twice, and I still am. But I never threw a brick or yelled or spat at anyone, and never would.
I am so frustrated by the childish behavior and the lack of civility that we are seeing every day from the repubs. How can they possibly think that acting like a spoiled 4 year old is going to give them any credibility?
As for McCain, I wrote him off long ago. I never did like him, and 2008 just confirmed all my dislike and distrust of him. Now he’s made it even worse by saying that it’s not a big deal. I hope he enjoys his retirement. After that tantrum the other night when he said he wasn’t going to do any more work I can’t see why anyone in Arizona would vote to send him back to Washington. And for pete’s sake, he would be 80 when he finishes the next term. Now, some who are 80 are sharp and able, but McCain has already proven that he is not. His erratic behavior is disturbing and dangerous.
No, it’s nothing new because this kind of violent rhetoric was RAMPANT at McCain/Palin rallies during the 2008 election!
McCain truly is pathetic. History will portray him for the egomanic he is. Unleashing Palin on us destroys any claims to “country first” or any credibility he was barely holding onto.
Palin is a disgrace. So is Beck and Limbaugh and the GOP leaders who cheered on the racist Tea Party protesters. A bunch of irresponsible bullies, the lot of them.
white powder send to Weiners office according to CNN
The best thing that could happen, is for Murdock to take grumpy old Mccain and side-kick palin and all go to the land “down-under”. They could sit in the “out-back” and wonder what the hell has happened.
They could chew on the fat all day long. Maybe raise a few sheep.
When someone like McCain or Hillary or the MSM uses phrases like “battleground states” it means one thing. But for Palin, “battleground” means something ENTIRELY different. She is a believer in spiritual mapping and that certain areas are controlled by dark forces. She and her people believe it is their job to relieve these areas and clear the energy for the return of Jesus. So when she used the cross hairs image, she knew exactly what she was doing.
I receive the newsletter from Generals International – BIG time prayer warrior and spiritual mapping folks and HUGE for Palin. They use this kind of talk all of the time. They truly believe they are warriors and fighting a battle. SP is NOT just simply using well worn political jargon. She’s in it for the ultimate fight for the end times and this is the point that we’ve somehow got to through to people. The folks like Bachmann, Thune, Sanford, the C Street gang – they all get it. They know what she’s saying. But the McCains, the Dems, the regular ol’ GOPers, they don’t have a clue.
I’ll say it again: I think God is looking down, shaking his/her head saying, “This is not what I had in mind”.
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> BTW: Has Rush left yet?
VernD
I think we should all take up a collection to speed Rush on his way – to anywhere outsid the US. He’s taking it back though, and saying he never intended to move to Costa Rica but to go there for his health care, which makes no sense at all, considering they have what he doesn’t want us to have.
@buffalo gal: Thanks for pointing out the difference in intent of the phrases being thrown around. I think, from what I’ve read, that you are exactly right. It reminds me of some of my friends who refer to one lady as a great “prayer warrior”. I get their point, but that phrase to me is too much of an oxymoron for me to not gag whenever I hear it. And, knowing the ones who use it, I wonder if they understand what it really means to the people like Palin. I hope not.
Not only is McCain my senator – the only consolation being that our other senator, Jon Kyl, is even more despicable – but Gabrielle Giffords, our wonderfully courageous congresswoman on whose campaign I volunteered in 2008, is one of Palin’s targets. I don’t care what McCain says: believe me, when you show right-wing Arizonans a gun sight, they see it as such.
Inciting violence is not permitted on Facebook. So please, go to Palin’s Facebook page and report her note for inciting violence. http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434
John McCain in the perfect poster child for why there should be some sort of age limit/mandatory retirement age for everyone in the Senate and everyone in the House.
I agree with BuffaloGal. Sarah may be an ignorant narcissist, but she is also a True Believer in the dominionist end-times philosophy. They see any opponent as possessed by demons or witches and are truly out to exterminate them. I know that sounds nutsy – that’s because it is. She is nutsy – and very, very dangerous.
I once thought of Sister Sarah as a joke, but the more I’ve learned about the movement she has been in for a very long time, the more concerned I get.
These people will think nothing of creating another Oklahoma City-type tragedy. After all, they are organizing huge, armed rallies for the anniversary of that bombing on April 19th.
I would so like to ignore this movement, to write it off as silly or crazy, but history compels me to take it seriously, very, very seriously.
Thanks BuffaloGal for your input about that newsletter. It makes this real for a lore more folks.
I think he’s just getting senile and confusing his political career with his military career and time in Viet Nam.
I was just thinking this morning that only twisted minds could take the word “Care” and make it into something they see as negative: “ObamaCare.” I have a good mind to make a bumper sticker that says: “Obama Cares. Do You?”
Which makes me wonder: when was the last time a Republican called himself a “compassionate conservative?” I guess the moral minority have stripped caring and compassion from their form of Christianity.
Palin has two from pennsyltucky on her list… she’d best be careful cuz if she gets up in her aeroplane, they are bound to shoot back using the historic instrument.
Isy – back around the turn of the century, great thinkers like Albert Binet and others came up with a hierarchy of describing mental deficencies – mostly misused today – including idiot, imbecile, and moron. Palin and her followers fall below all those descriptors. The only “care” they might understand is the type which is delivered swiftly to their backsides with a steel-toed size 12.
Pat, there is a website raising money to buy Rush a ticket for Costa Rica: http://www.aticketforrush.com/
If Limbaugh chickens out and stays in the US (he claims he meant he would go and get medical care in CR, which makes no sense since CR’s medical system is more “socialized” than anything under the Health Insurance Reform,) the money will be sent to Planned Parenthood.
ks sunflower – when I think of s’error palin and “true believers,” I am always reminded that the Heaven’s Gate people missed one of their true disciples.
McCain would do well to recall the old fable of the young girl who came across a snake on a freezing cold morning. The snake pleaded with the young girl to warm him up or he would die of cold. He’d never bite such a good friend who has done him such a good turn. As soon as the young girl picked up the serpent, he bite her. As the girl died, she asked how he could have done that to a friend. The snake replied, “you knew what I was when you picked me up.” (Apologies to all the reptiles out there.)
Lacy Lady @20…I had a wonderful picture of Palin and McCain in the outback…perhaps close to a lovely lake…with wildlife at hand, perhaps a croc or two at the water’s edge….
#21 @BuffaloGal
“She’s in it for the ultimate fight for the end times and this is the point that we’ve somehow got to through to people. The folks like Bachmann, Thune, Sanford, the C Street gang – they all get it. They know what she’s saying. But the McCains, the Dems, the regular ol’ GOPers, they don’t have a clue.”
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Thank you for your post. This is what makes this rhetoric so scary to me. Not only the do the folks you’ve listed here ‘get it’, but all their followers as well – they get it. This is why those crowds have really evolved into mobs. The language itself is purposely being used to whip up these christianist followers.
Y’all may know this already – I was reading last night and learned that DeMint is another of the C Street gang.
I hear Cantor’s office was vandalized.
The chickens are truly coming home to roost…no one is immune.
Palin will continue to increasingly pollute the political discourse until her financial backers find a more effective tool. It’s a race between her mental disintegration and the discovery of an even more stupid, pliable puppet.
McCain thinks he’s defending a (wholly imaginery) legacy with burbled talking points. He’s doomed to laud the choice of Palin as long as he can find a willing interviewer. Not a hell I would care to live in, but certainly fitting for McCain.
#36 @Xenon
Interesting commentary about Cantor’s ‘speech’ today is at Daily Kos. Don’t be too quick to believe what Cantor says.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/25/850797/-Cantors-story-unravels
And about white powder delivered to Weiner’s office:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/25/850761/-Breaking:-White-Powder-Package-Sent-to-Weiners-OfficeUpdated
As much as I disagree with McCain and his policies/decisions, I don’t think there should be an age limit/mandatory retirement for politicians. Stupid/reckless does not know any age or other demographic boundary. There are many people in their 70′s, 80′s and 90′s who are have the full use of their mental faculties and are still able to serve effectively in our government. Yes, age does have its limitations, but serving in government should not be one of them.
Ok, getting off the ol’ soapbox.
I just turned on the news, and got an earful of crap about a ‘state’s rights’ rally at the state capital in Columbia. They want to change the SC constitution so they don’t have to follow federal law. WTF???? And I live here???!!!?!?!
#24 @IsyFleur -
Great idea – I went to the sp link and submitted my report.
Gee, wasn’t voter registration one of the things ACORN did? And didn’t we just think “ACORN was bad, bad, bad”? I really despise that old fart and the pestilence named Palin that he foisted on us all.
I have two easy answers to refute any suggestions of age limits:
Ted Kennedy
John Dingell.
C’mon. Age is not the issue.
IsyFleur — I’m commenting from work and have not been able to read all the posts so sorry if this has already been asked and answered. Since McCain is your senator, please tell us more about his primary opponent. Would it be worthwhile for all of us to financially support him/her as a protest to McCain or is he/she just as bad? Thanks!
Turns out Cantor’s office was hit with a random bullet:
http://www.adn.com/2010/03/25/1199083/bullet-that-hit-va-congressmans.html
As a registered Democrat and resident of Arizona, I agree that we need to focus our effort at registering and getting out the vote for both the primary in August and the Mid-Term election in November. We progressives have a lot at stake in this upcoming election, not the least of which is the defeat of John McCain and J.D. Hayworth and the election of responsible, mature and dedicated people to the State legislature, the Governorship, the Congressional seats and the Senate.
Stick a fork in John McCain. He is done.
To inexile (SC version): we lived in SC for a year long ago and it sounds as if little has changed. They were still fighting the Civil War, still upset about the Civil Rights laws and any progressive change whatsoever. Not everyone in that state is an imbecile, of course, but from their election results, it sure is tempting to think so.
Linda, McCain’s Primary opponent is a Tea Party ultra right winger who was defeated for re-election to Congress in 2006 by a Democrat,Harry Mitchell, former Mayor of Tempe, AZ. Hayworth is already giving McCain a real run for his money and is endorsed and supported by “Sheriff Joe Arpaio” to name just one extremist. We are concentrating on putting up a credible candidate to run in the general election. There is a lot of buzz lately about a well-known female CEO, with great connections. The consensus is that she would run well against either McGrumpy or The teabagger.
twain12 Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
“if it was Palin’s family home which had the gas lines cut we’d never hear the end of it. Heck people can’t say things in private and she wants them to be fired . They are the worse hypocrites”
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True. When SP’s sneaky yahoo account for conducting clandestine state business was illegally breached by the teenager in Tenn., her fans exploded in outraged indignation. Further, the government has put the kid on trial. His actions were wrong, of course, but other than curiosity as a motive, I’ve seen no evidence that he had a violent or malicious agenda in his actions.
…..which begs the questions: Why would openly violent rhetoric and imagery (RELOAD/ gun sights on Dems) on SarahPac not evoke outrage and/ or a Federal investigation/charges? Why is the kid on trial but death threats and violent rhetoric all over the country are being pooh-poohed by the Republicans?
Linda (#44): I am also an Arizonian. Under no circumstances should any well-meaning otsiders consider supporting Hayworth as a way of defeating McCain. Hayworth is a nasty piece of work. The fact that he, a sitting Republican politician, was defeated by a Democrat shows that even his normally right-wing constituency couldn’t stand him anymore. Up until his choice of Palin, McCain was pretty acceptible as a US Senator: fairly moderate and not particularly rabid on any issue. Palin really pushed him to the Right, and now for some reason, he feels beholden. We Arizonians are going to need to work very hard in the next few months to locate and support credible Democratic candidates for McCain’s seat.
Linda, I don’t think it would be wise to support JD Hayworth, because Arizonans are so far to the right that he could actually end up in the Senate! Hayworth is truly vile. He lost his re-election to the US Congress a while back because he was directly linked to Jack Abramoff – his district included Native American land at one point although it no longer does.
I am in a way hoping Hayworth will win the primary, though, because our Democratic candidate, Rodney Glassman is a young, energetic, pro-business Democrat who could possibly beat him, but would have a very hard time beating McCain. They still love McCain here, despite the fact that the economy is in shambles and Arizona ranks 50th in the US for public school funding.
in exile (SC version) Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
I just turned on the news, and got an earful of crap about a ’state’s rights’ rally at the state capital in Columbia. They want to change the SC constitution so they don’t have to follow federal law. WTF???? And I live here???!!!?!?!
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Uh, if I remember correctly, there was a little kerfuffle that started in South Carolina in 1861 regarding the federal property of Fort Sumpter. I believe that dealt with the matter of whether states’ rights were secondary to federal rights or not. Anyone in the rally know the outcome of that disagreement? Anyone? <>
Maybe Cantor fired the gun.
I admit I have been pestering folks to sign that petition about boycotting the Discovery Channel regarding the Sarah Palin deal, but folks, I just read an article at HuffPo that explains, I think, why the deal was struck.
Their new CEO is a former Fox guy. The scary part is that he will be in total charge of everything – right down to content. No wonder the network is going down the toilet insofar as taste and content goes.
Honestly, do you want everything from The Science Channel to SyFy to be ruined by this guy? I think Sarah Palin is just the first part of the change.
Leads me to wonder if he subscribes to the Seven Mountain theory. What better way to start transforming the media than to start playing up one of the movement’s celebrities, Sister Sarah.
Mind you, I had thought it was just greed, but this article and the connections it makes has led me to wonder if more is going on. Just saying, it’s worth investigating, isn’t it?
Here’s a link to the article. Decide for yourselves. If it makes you as ill or as suspicious as it did me, do sign that petition.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/peter-ligouri-named-disco_n_382903.html
It is particularly disturbing to hear these types of words from a person, like Palin who is looking for the end of days WWIII type of scenerio. And is willing to incite the final battle.
She now has a TV serial so that she can sell Alaska as the promised land for those who survive the world war that these haters of humanity and life on earth want so badly. Thanks a lot to Discovery or who ever is giving her this platform.
Look for lots of code phrases and lots of emphasis about how one can feed oneself etc.
She of course would be Empress of the promised land, all hail the Empress Sarah chosen of God at Christ’s second comming and therefore the Anti-Christ and Supreme Wicked Witch of the West.
Totally insane and very scarey.
IsyFleur, I have read about Glassman. He does sound good. It might work in his favor if JD wins. I think that is what has happened with the TX governors race with Perry winning. The Dem Bill White seems so sane compared to Perry. I think he’ll win in Nov.
@ 56—meant to say with Perry winning “the primary.”
53 daisydem Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Maybe Cantor fired the gun.
Cantor as the only Jewish person in the House apparently hasn’t realized that he is dealing with a bunch of anti-semite biggots in the Tea Baggers and that the end of dayer’s just look on Israel as a tool to their own domination of the earth.
Marnie —–I’ve always thought Palin’s love of the Israeli flag is just a cover. I don’t think she cares for Jewish people.
daisydem and Marnie–up in post 45 I left a link to a story that says that it was a random bullet, not aimed at him/his office/whatever.
Lacy Lady & OMG
I’m an Aussie and I nearly fell off my chair when I read your suggestion to send Palin and McCain down here. After 11 years of scaremongering under John Howard the last thing we need is another couple of nutters.
But then I got the picture of those crocodiles launching up the bank and thought why not organise a BBQ for Sarah and John to be joined by a a few of our more idiotic opposition members [think climate sceptic, racist right wingers]. And I really think that could work!
IsyFleur– thanks. Now that you say his name, I remember reading about Hayworth. While I would not ever usually consider donating to a repub, as a protest to McCain it is somewhat tempting. Sounds too dangerous, though. So, you don’t think Glassman can beat McCain? Is Glassman well funded? Maybe I’ll donate to him.
mccain is just a person scorned…he’s bitter and angry that he was rejected…he can’t get passed it…he’s taking it personally…just like palin. but he’s not connected to reality enough to understand the why’s…just like palin…he’s been spoiled for way too many years…just like palin… and in my opinion hasn’t done anything worth earning his place in the senate…being captured was the beginning and the end of his notoriety. and palin…she’s worthless in every sense!
Mag & Gramiam — just read your posts — they were on the first page so didn’t see them Thanks for your feedback, too. I just think we need to not only support our reps and senators who are being “targeted” by Sarah and cronies financially, to the maximum extent we can, but also we need to find and support opponents to the craziest of the crazies (and McCain really is becoming one of those.) It sounds like Arizonans have the plan well in hand. My niece lives in Phoenix and is a lib so I’ll consult with her, too. Thanks to y’all for educating me!
thanks to all mudpups supplying links and petitions and email addresses…I’ve signed every one & I’ve written a ton of emails.
I had my TV muted and the sound off just now while I was browsing the web. The last two days were the first time I had turned to CNN and then only to catch up on reports of these violence reports. I only listened during Rick Sanchez’s Show.
I had just looked over and saw Mccain face on John Kings Show. I think I caught the tail end…John is asking him questions about his campaigning this weekend….SP will be there… HAPPY she’s coming…..
John K…. to McCain… I know SP will be with you out there… maybe you could ask her to be on her new show… blah… blahh blahh… snicker… snicker…
The whole time these two are grinning like a couple of Cheshire cats. John also is back to the HC debate… we can’t be spending this money… raising the deficit, how will we pay for it,…burden to our grandchildren… (puke!)
Same OLDDDD GrUMP pa…same ol message. ( Seems he forgot about Bushie )
I suppose he was playing the part of Rumplestilskin and took a Nap for the last decade.
Next I look up and see Karl Rove explaining ( opinionating ) to John King about why Obama is not doing well… etc… etc…
KARL ROVE…? REALLY..??? Cheney’s maniacal twisted Step-Brother..?… who can’t find any Law that he is willing to twist/break… for The Party.
For those that don’t know it… King is BFF with Cheney. And last year he married Dana Bash who also works for CNN. Not like THEY would ever ‘ spin ‘ a story to promote a message/opinion.
AKM, I agree with you, they should be arrested .
McCain put this country at risk by making this crazy woman now chasing $$ famous. It was wrong and wrong. Not to mention the media promoting her. This will be the end of me watching discovery chanel as well. Sarah is so crazy nuts in her heard.
I have completely lost the little respect I gave Mr McCain. For sure, I will never be a Republican. Never. I can’t believe Mr McCain was this desperate , for siding with domestic terrorists.
27 Kelley Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I think he’s just getting senile and confusing his political career with his military career and time in Viet Nam.
John McCain needs to remember how much of a coward he was on the USS Forrestal when he walked away from a dying buddy, deserted his squadron and deserted the ship. He ran away from his responsibilities three times in one day while the lowest ranking men on the ship were risking their lives and often loosing them to fight a horrendous fire that raged for three days and threatened to sink the ship.
And having though on that he should STFU and slink away just like he did that day.
34 OMG Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 1:28 PM
Lacy Lady @20…I had a wonderful picture of Palin and McCain in the outback…perhaps close to a lovely lake…with wildlife at hand, perhaps a croc or two at the water’s edge….
Actually it would be an appropriate exile as much of Austrialia is suffering horrible droughts from climate change. (And probably over grazing and deforestation, also too.)
36 Xenon Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I hear Cantor’s office was vandalized.
The chickens are truly coming home to roost…no one is immune.
“First they came for the intellectuals…”
Cantor needs to remember that he and elites, and communists, and “others”, and students, and peacenics, and are all on that list. Everybody is on that list except the radicals of the right.
And YES it can happen here in the US of A. We are not exempt from evil.
As well as John McCain playing a role in all this violet rhetoric and inciting and encouraging dangerous behavior I don’t let Gov. Parnell off the hook either.
This ” Domestic Terrorism” is originating from WITHIN his State. He is SUPPOSED to act like one.
But even before the role of Governor… how about his role as a human being, then a Father of his own with children, and then as the Governor. Forget about being a politician for a second… that should be last.
How would HE feel if he ( as a politician ) was Steve Driehaus who has 4 young children and his wife hiding out, scared and even afraid to answer their own phone. Pictures of his Family were posted in Tea-Bagger websites.
As a ” FATHER “…how would HE feel..?
And there are a lot of Steve Driehaus and Bart Stupack ‘families with children’ that are being terrorized.
Would He feel something… if it was Piper that was put in this position..?
I don’t give him a pass on this situation and have emailed his Office.
( I called yesterday and will again )
Part of those comments I posted in stories yesterday and will be forwarding to ‘Father of Children’/….Governor Parnell.
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Sean Parnell is the Governor of Alaska now. He owes his job to Sarah Palin. However , He is close friends with the Palin Family to this day and he COULD make a phone call… if he wanted to. FIRST and foremost though.. He IS the Governor and should act like one.
This Domestic Terrorism is being stirred up, fomented and being distributed from within HIS State. Does he feel ANY responsibility to make it stop..? Could the State of Alaska be liable in some way when things go to far. Lawsuits by people harmed or the like.
Parnell is silent even though there is a HUGE write-up in his towns paper, the ADN.
http://www.adn.com/2010/03/24/1197471/palins-firearms-themed-rhetoric.html
He knows alright. I called his Office today. Maybe you should as well. Let it ring loud and clear.
http://gov.alaska.gov/parnell/contact/office-locations.html
( 907 ) 465 – 3500.
Maybe, just maybe sister will leave her compound and move to the desert soon.. Never know what may happen…. she and johnny can sit on the pig ranch annex and sip trench water outta canning jars….
So what’s she gonna do with all that cash from her new comedy show??? Hummm……..
“I propose that instead of asking domestic terrorists to “channel their anger” into voter registration, that maybe it would be a better idea to arrest them. And instead of defending people who use these incitement techniques for political purposes, perhaps it’s time for some condemnation from the Republican Party. Just an idea.”
Thank You, AKM.
**and the Mudflats Choir sings a rousing chorus of Amen and Yes We Can **
49 Lee323 Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Why is the kid on trial but death threats and violent rhetoric all over the country are being pooh-poohed by the Republicans?
With tongue only sort of in cheek. Isn’t that a retorical question? Especially, with poo poo, violent rhetoric and Republicans all together in the same sentence.
@thatcrowwoman says:
…that maybe it would be a better idea to arrest them.
REALLY! they totally, purposely left that part out, didn’t they? …good point.
59 sallyngarland,tx Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Marnie —–I’ve always thought Palin’s love of the Israeli flag is just a cover. I don’t think she cares for Jewish people.
As an expat Texas good luck to White. It would be nice for Texas to have a sane governor again. Unfortunately this leg. is likely to stay in the Perry mold. Keeping fingers crossed for White and hopefully after the census some honest redistricting, except DeLay is still lurking and so are the Bushies.
Anyone else think that Palin chooses to be extreme just to get her name mentioned by the media? ex. Death panels. RELOAD.
Free (negative) publicity works well for a celebrity. Not so well for someone who wants to be considered a serious candidate for higher office.
Whew boy! Just read in the “Modesto Bee” that Sarah Palin will speak at a fundraiser ($500 a ticket) dinner and dance at California State University, Stanislaus in Turlock California in connection with their 50 year anniversary.
Turlock is in Stanislaus County where Obama led the popular vote in the last presidential election, but where conservative big farmers and Christian Right Wing Fundamentalist Big Box Churches hold a lot of political power.
Maybe this is a ploy to get some of these folks with money to pony up funds to support the University in hard times After the first 200 tickets, her profected $100,000 speaking fee is covered (although not the private jet for her entourage and their accomadations-in and out? there are no luxury hotels in Turlock, maybe luxury guest houses?) and something might be left over for the University.
Maybe, but the politics are bizarre. More likely she will imidate any LIB’RLS in the regional education system and encourage gun waving to keep Obama types away from REAL AMERICAN’S CONTROL of the Central Valley.
I expect her to say water should be used now to water big agrifarms and to hell with the salmon and wetlands and conservation for the next drought. I expect her to say that valley farmers and business owners don’t want no socialist unions or dogooder bleeding heart terrorists cutting into their right to get every cent of profit out of their illegal workers before they deport them back south of the border.
Great stuff. And while she’s at it maybe she can get the University shut down as a socialist waste of taxpayers money.
GO SCARAH!
Not surprising that McCain defended Palin’s violent rhetoric. After all:
1) When he defends her, he’s defending himself and his abortion of a decision to tap her as his VP.
2) He’s trying to gin up conservative credentials with the extreme right-wingnuts for his primary.
3) He has a well-known violent temper and mean streak, himself.
4) “Country First” is code for “McCain First.”
5) He’s accustomed to feeling like a traitor to this country after singing like a bird to the Viet Cong. SP’s rhetoric is small potatoes, morally and relatively speaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpOUctySD68
If you haven’t run across it else where a good mash up of Boehner wetting his pants screaming “hell no” on the Senate Floor and the singing of “Yes We Can.”
Needs some cleaning up of the segues but would be a good compaign video for any Dem.
I watche the whole show that evening but turned the sound of on Boehner as soon as he started yelling so missed the last part. I don’t need him in my life.
Linda, Rodney Glassman is at the Exploratory Committee stage, and I think there is at least one Democratic woman also thinking of running. It is going to be tough to beat McCain, though…
I sent an email to ‘boner’ today telling him that as I got to know him from his comments throughout this process, I now know he’s wrong for this country! …in so many words
Or maybe Sarah Palin being invited to speak by the big money board of Cal State Stanislaus in June is someone’s idea of blowback for the students of U.C Merced successfully inviting Michelle Obama to be their comencement speaker last year. Conservatives in California’s Central Valley circling their wagons? Do they think Sarah will save them? I wonder if the open carry folks will be attending her fundraising dinner. It could be fascinating. Where is the bulk of the money raised going anyway? To her speaker fee? Will she then donate that to a Sarah Pac Conservative Cause?
Too add a word of kindness, someone in Alaska might let Sarah know that Turlock, California can easily get over 100 degrees Farenheit by her speaking date in June.
She should dress accordingly.
And while we have no wolves, she might get someone to take her up in a helicopter to shoot at coyotes if she gets bored. Unfortunately, the pronghorn antelope and elk herds are long gone, as are the grizzley bears.
I bet she’ll get some gift almonds, though.
Rumor have it that McCaine sung better than a canary when he was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. Let’s apply the Patriot Act to Sarah and John Boy or, at least, Obama should rendition and disappear them for the good of America.
McCaine -sung to the trad. song Cocaine:
McCaine
Yonder comes my baby, all dressed in red
Maybe I’ll be better off dead
McCain all around my brain
Hey baby, won’t you come here quick
This old McCain is making me sick
McCain all around my brain
Yonder comes my baby, all dressed in white
Hey baby, won’t you bomb all night
McCain all around my brain
Hey Cindy, won’t you come here quick
This old McCain is making me sick
McCain all around my brain
Yonder comes a lobbyist , all dressed in blue
Hey baby, who you gonna screw?
McCain all around my brain
Hey baby, won’t you come here quick
This old McCain is making me sick
McCain all around my brain
Well I looked down Main Street to find some Hope
We don’t need any more Dope
McCain all around my brain
Then I walked down First Street, turned down Fourth
Lookin’ for a guy they say’s insane
McCain all around my brain
Yonder comes by baby, all dressed in white
Hey baby, won’t you bomb all night
McCain all around my brain
Hey baby, won’t you come here quick
This old McCain is making me sick
McCain all around my brain
McCain’s for Clydesdales and not for men
Doctor says he’ll kill us but he don’t know when.
McCain, McCain, running round my brain.
Is London Bridges a troll? McCain was a victim or a brutal war and of mistreatment of prisoners. I have nothing but sympathy for his suffering during that hard time in his and so many other’s lives.
I disagree with his politics today. I profoundly disagree with Palin’s politics today.
sallyngarland @59
I believe you are correct about Palin not caring about the Jewish people.
I found a web site of her church in Wasilla. She was present when they had a speaker who spoke on ” Jews for Jesus”. They collected money for their campaign to recruit Jews for Jesus.
Another video I found about her Wasilla church—-a youtube video–
Sarah Palin Wasilla church has Kooky Prophecy. This one is truly scary.
Lacy Lady @ 87
I really do believe it is a cover. Part of the reason I feel this way is because I read where she campaigned as “the only” Christian in the mayor’s race against Stein. I believe she is a racist.
The Dallas Morning News is reporting that Al Green (D-Houston) has received 2 threats. (I can’t provide the link on this pc.). He said he has several townhalls Saturday but intended to go on with things. Palin was in TX today in Beaumont. I truly wish she would stay out of Texas.
McCain’s attempt at deflection is just another example of the real McCain breaking through the “crusty-but-goodhearted” image he spent most of his political career creating.
Yes, “battleground state” (which doesn’t occur in the Palin FB page) is a political cliche, and “targeted” is a term widely used in both politics and marketing. But rifle-sight images are not a political cliche (at least not in mainstream US politics), nor is the use of the word “RELOAD”.
Regroup, reaffirm, rebound, re-energize, resist, recapture, replace are all pretty common political “re” words. “Reload” refers to, well, reloading.
Perhaps it is true that these are common usages in the political circles that McCain frequents. If so, it says quite a bit about his choice in friends.
Of course, it’s also possible that Gramps is just once again spewing meaningless crap out his pie-hole.
@53 daisydem: I like it. Cantor was trying to shoot out his window, but wasn’t ready for the recoil and ended up launching a high-trajectory shot.
.@ # 86 Riverside
London Bridges is not a troll.
As for McCain, he exploits his POW experience for political gain in a most shameful way. While most would no doubt agree that he was a victim of a brutal war, there are veterans who served with him who don’t have quite as much sympathy for his actions.
Rolling Stone had a very eye-opening and in-depth article about McCain, including his war experiences, published back in 2008. I don’t have the link at hand but I’m sure you can google it easily
@85 London: Outstanding.
@86: Riverside — no, London Bridges is not a troll. And you might notice that there is no reference in the song parody to his wartime service.
McCain is due proper credit for his service, and for his injuries, but
(1) he was not the only US POW during the Vietnam War. There are tens of thousands of vets with worse war stories, to say nothing of the tens of thousands who are dead. He deserves respect and sympathy, but his wartime experience is not a free pass for the rest of his life.
(2) in his political life he has always been angrier, meaner, and more unthinking-conservative than his public image portrayed. In the last few years, the PR mask has started to slip, or perhaps he’s just experiencing old-conservative hardening of the brain. In either case, while the first third of his life deserves some respect and sympathy, the last two-thirds deserves ridicule.
And I’m not a troll, either.
BTW, if you read the ModBee, we may be neighbors, kinda. I’m in Groveland (well, PML).
@88 sallyngarland,tx: And, of course, the key fact in the Palin campaign (“I’m the only Christian”) against Stein is that Stein is a Christian.
I am ashamed of that woman and what she’s getting away with. We need to shut her up. Dumb broad.
McCain has trashed his reputation (whatever good parts were left) when he picked SP as VP running mate and through his continued efforts to say good things about her. He falsely claims to ‘put country first.’ He’s a sham of a patriot.
Sarah Palin started the ball rolling on all of this hatefulness in 2008. They can try to calm it down, but she planted the seed and there are a lot of loonies running around. I believe in some respects it is too late. Someone who is planning to do something probably won’t change his/her mind. I say this because I am 61 and I have seen alot of ugly unrest in my lifetime and I am in the Dallas area. I eat downtown often and I see the monuments to violence.
@ 88 –Mr Green (D-Houston) did receive 2 threats according to the paper–one very clearly a death threat. He is African American. Palin should be in jail.
@96. I should have said “reminder” of violence –not monument to.
Lacy Lady @20:
As an Australian, No THANK you! They wouldn’t last two seconds in the outback anyway. Can’t see Palin coping with redback spiders on the dunny seat.
To all on the subject of John Mcain. I have seen a you tube video –Vietnam vets against John McCain. ( found on Google )
Also another web site that gives McCain a telephone number to call , as they don’t agree with what he has told about his experience in Vietnam. They want him to tell the truth. Maybe he stretched the truth?????
So many things happened during this War—–some things that we will never know the truth.
A local young man who served in Viet Nam has written a book, “Morning Glories Among the Peas” Good read!
So many lost their lives in this hell hole. My neighbor’s son. Also a classmate of mine—-A Doctor who was on the Arisikney (sp ?) ship.
Can we imagine the uproar if an image of John McCain and Sarah Palin had run in the liberal mag The Nation, and exhorted other liberals to “take better aim at them this time” or “reload” or any of the other unquestionably violent gun lingo? I’d bet vital organs that McCain wouldn’t be defending free speech if it was his house or mug in the rifle scope crosshairs.
That’s the problem when you whip up the idiot sheeple with two years of pandering to morons with hyperbolic lunacy. Once the citizens of Goober Nation have take up their pitchforks and torches, you either have to double down on the violent rhetoric or totally disavow your past.
If there is any increased violence, God forbid, I hope that the DOJ, Obama, and the Dems have the courage to prosecute some of these GOP leaders who have been the most active at inciting domestic terrorism.
At the very least, I believe it will cost the GOP dearly. If they can manage to escape legal entanglements for their reckless harangues of the sheeple flock, there are hours and hours of YouTube footage of same just ripe for the pickin’ by Democratic opponents for all of these fools.
Remember GOP: Karma is a bitch.
@100 Lacy Lady: There are several points of view about exactly how McCain’s POW experience took place. Some of the uncertainty comes from McCain himself — he tells a story that when he was pressed for names of other US military, he gave the names of an NFL offensive line. In the earliest version I know of, this was the OL of the Packers (which would make sense given the time frame), but he has also at least once said it was the Steelers (this was at an appearance in Pittsburgh). Aside from the fact that the Steeler OL was extremely unmemorable in the mid-sixties, the fact that he would adapt this tale to the audience has to make you wonder how much substance there was to it in the first place.
Nevertheless, there’s rather conclusive evidence that he was a POW for several years and he sustained some degree of permanent injury (whether from his crash or from subsequent abuse).
I don’t care whether he stretched the truth or not. To me, the important thing is that all that stuff happened in the first third (+/-) of his life. No matter how awful it was, he came out of it alive and not incapacitated. I have/had several friends who were not that lucky, and I know of many more. I respect McCain’s service, and I sympathize with his enduring physical damage. But I do not accept that those things give him some sort of political immunity. There are thousands upon thousands of veterans who have worse war stories than his, but who didn’t happen to have an Admiral as a father.
His political life has to be evaluated on its own merits. On that basis, he’s been angry, erratic, emotional, and inconsistent throughout his career. If I were an armchair psychiatrist (oh, wait, maybe I am), I’d say that most of his big “mavericky” moments were motivated by anger. And this latest bunch of “poisoning the well” and “oh, heck, death threats are just ordinary politics” is also, too, anger-based. In this case, that he lost the Presidential election, despite repressing his anger at the Bush campaign’s slime in the 2000 primaries. Since he already repressed that anger, he has to find another target (or realize that he was an idiot). The new target is President Obama, and therefore anyone who also hates Obama is an ally.
If I were a real psychiatrist, I might have some innate sympathy for McCain’s internal conflicts. Since, I’m not, I just say “TS, Gramps”.
How in the world can McCain, even if he is right in saying that these are simply harmless words used by politicians all the time, how can he assume that the general public (re: Amurcans who adore Palin) will read these same words that way? Seriously?
And he’s a weinie! He did nothing to calm the violent crowds or Palin’s violence and racist-inflamed words during the campaign so why should he start now? He is a coward!
Senator McCain came from a privileged military family. He was very near the bottom of his class at West Point. He recklessly wrecked several million dollar jets. He refused to investigate MIA’s and screamed at a family member who was trying to get him to do so. Why? He is one of those people who regularly and literally says, “Do you know who I am?” He abandoned his disabled first wife for a newer, richer model. His campaign finance reform was a front for his shady financial dealings. Fellow POW’s do not all speak highly of him. When I get a chance, I’ll provide some Internet links. He sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran and like Sarah he meant it. He is a scarier version of W.
I think we all have his number. “I am privileged , I am rich, and you are not. “
Here is one stoty:
http://tinyurl.com/45egm8
Another:
http://tinyurl.com/57qw7w
#3
http://tinyurl.com/2dshm9
must read.
As an Arizonan (8 yrs) and previous Alaskan (25 yrs), the whole thing with Palin and McCain has completely boggled my mind. I sent a note to Gabrielle Gifford [AZ -- she had all her office windows knocked out] thanking her for her vote on health reform — she was no sure thing, let me tell you! And, then sent a note to McCain asking him to go South with his reasoning, to Mexico!
I hope someday Woodward, or someone like that, writes some truth about what happened with health reform!
read all the way toward the bottom:
http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/schanberg_mccain.html
London Bridges,
Thanks for all the documentation on McCain. Thanks to everyone. It is very helpful to have it all put out there again. I think it needs to be done repeatedly because simple short-cutted references to McCain “singing like a bird in captivity” seem to me like statements that could be used by the opposition to exploit public sympathy for American prisoner’s suffering and use it as a PR weapon against McCain’s honest critics.
As for Sarah Palin being invited to speak in June at Cal State Stanislaus by the local CSU Foundation as a fundraiser part of a 50 year celebration-
The finances and dealings of the Foundation have been long controversial and secretive. A recent attempt to open their dealings to public scrutiny by the legislature was vetoed by Gov. Swartzenager. This invite really does bear scrutiny on many levels. It is not a friendly gesture towards the diverse student body or staff of this University and it begs the question of motive, of financial, social and political intentions on the part of the CSU Foundation. Someone really needs to open up their books!
http://facebook-developer.net/contact/#results found this contact page for face book and sent a letter to them about palins page and how she should be banned because of inciting to violence and telling others to reload ect