Joe Miller Calls Senator Lisa Murkowski a Whore? (Updated)
Lisa Murkowski has said that she’s not ruling out a third party run should she not come out the winner of the Republican Senatorial primary. There are still more than a thousand votes yet to be counted, and it appears that Miller will likely walk away with the nomination.
What does Miller think of this? Well, he’s probably not pleased. But let’s see how our potential next senator handles this situation. Let’s check out his diplomacy during this difficult and confusing time for his party. “What will our leader do?” Republicans ask themselves.
Looks like his mentor, Sarah Palin, has taught him the fine art of “keepin’ it classy” on Twitter.
No need to rub your eyes. Yes, Joe Miller just basically called Senator Lisa Murkowski a whore.
Someone must have “handled” our nominee pretty quickly because the tweet was deleted.
Too late. It went out to thousands, and was retweeted before he could scrub it.
I’m thinking that Joe “Tea Party” Miller isn’t particularly concerned about picking up Murkowski voters in the general election. He must not have been paying attention when Lisa Murkowski had a 79% approval rating a few months ago. If you listen really hard, you can hear the stampede as a whole bunch of Republicans deciding that Scott McAdams, the mayor of Sitka just got their vote.
Keep it Classy, Joe.
And didn’t your mentor just quit her job and her break her vow to the people of Alaska to make millions publishing a best-selling book, go on a speaking tour, and hop on the Fox News gravy train?
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[h/t Swing State Project for tweet capture]
UPDATE:
John Bitney, Lisa Murkowski’s campaign manager and Sarah Palin’s former Legislative Director who got thrown under the bus in her book Going Rogue, just had this to say to the Anchorage Daily News:
“He just basically called Senator Murkowski a prostitute,” Bitney said. “I am doing my best in a moment of extreme anger right at the moment to be measured in my remarks. The word that comes to mind is deplorable. Disgusting. The man has no place representing Alaska in the U.S. Senate with that kind of attitude.”
Bitney said this is being watched nationally and Miller should be ashamed to take it to that level. “He owes Alaskans an apology.”
Sounds like someone just kissed the Murkowski endorsement buh-bye.
Miller, on the other hand has learned another lesson from Palin. Backpedaling like a clown on a unicycle, he blames a staffer for the tweet, and says that they were trying to “encourage the libertarian party not to sell out.” Nice try.
The story has now been picked up by the Associated Press, MSNBC, The Huffington Post, and scads of other national and local sites. Heck of a way to launch your bid for the senate.
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Hope you are right. Otherwise, this is going to be ugly.
Was Joe Miller stealing one of Regan’s lines and then hacking the crap out of it? Yup
“Politics is supposed 2 be the second oldest profession. I have come 2 realize that it bears a very close resemblance 2 the 1st.” Ronald Reagan
OMG…could he get any more middle schooly? Looks like he learned from “the best’…
Look who the mentor is. I have said many times before and you that live in AK know all to well is that where ever Palin goes she does damage. Her hate spreads.
I can’t believe he said that! Like you said, look at who his mentor is. No recent politician could possible be more of a sell out than Palin. He is even coping her childish example by using grade school language and put downs. I hope those who voted for him take notice and realize just what type of a person they voted for for. I also see he is using Van Fles as his attorney. I wonder who recommended him?
Look for lots of frivolous stalls and appeals during the recount from Sarah’s favorite lawyer.
He got another benefit of being mentored by $Palin: He rear-ended a car yesterday morning on Geist Road in Fairbanks, which in turn rear-ended another car, but the Alaska State Trooper who investigated did not give him a citation, even if it is the law.
Just like the Grisly Sow, he gets a pass. It bears closer examination.
Miller surely thought he was being quite the clever “elite” lawyer: He was merely ruminating over some ancient intractable riddle. It happens all the time! There’s no harm in asking!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w3GdTj8w3E&feature=related
More hillbilly trash.
na, he is a KS carpetbagger.
Wow! I’m sure everyone who voted for him is so very proud.
Actually, they probably are proud of him. We’re not talking about rational people here.
*sucks in air through teeth*
Well, at least you got a lot of mud for the ensuing fight.
If I thought either Miller or the Sow had any working knowledge of US history, I would wonder if they were channeling Rep. George Smathers of Florida (1950) in his race against Claude Pepper. Now, mind you, that speech was NEVER GIVEN, it was a hoax, but it followed George Smathers for the rest of his life.
Shades of Sowah!
That’s a reference to Sarah. It goes back to Sarah calling herself a “mama grizzley”, which would be a sow. I don’t like name calling either, but Sarah should really be more careful about the analogies she applies to herself. Her choices of calling herself a pitbull and a mama grizzley open the door for such other names. I’m not saying it’s appropriate – just trying to answer your question.
Nothing surprises me.
His campaign is hurrying up to say it’s the *Libertarian Party* he’s calling a whore, not Murkowski.
The Koch brothers are libertarian types, and they funded the tea baggers who financed his primary campaign:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
He stepped in it with the: “His campaign is hurrying up to say it’s the *Libertarian Party* he’s calling a whore, not Murkowski” if that really is the case.
As someone who has seen what $80 million of Meg Whitman’s money will do with ad buys, you are in for some awful advertising for the next 10 weeks or so. Because you are up against the Kochtopus. Read that New Yorker article above and organize well, because I’m guessing November in AK isn’t as fun of weather as August in AK.
It was only a matter of time before he “stepped in it”…glad it didn’t take long and hope it sticks.
He and SP were probably on the same level in school…I’m thinking they didn’t take any Honors or AP classes?
In an article published by the Boston Herald on September 2, 2008, WHS principal Dwight Probasco stated that, while Levi did play for the Wasilla Warriors hockey team during the 2007-08 season, he was not attending classes that year–instead, he was homeschooled via the Mat-Su Correspondence Study School. Here’s the exact quote:
Principal Dwight Probasco explained Levi�s decision to drop out: �School might have interfered with Levi�s moose-hunting, so he did a home school course. He continued to play on the ice hockey team, even though he stopped coming to classes two years ago. I understand he is now out of work.�
And now, a new article in GQ magazine not only confirms that Levi was homeschooling during that school year, but appears to impart some additional information that we had not heard before. Referring to Levi at that time:
�The previous year [this has to refer to 2007-2008] he�d been in a homeschool scenario. Alaska boasts the most lax homeschooling rules of any state in the union, in the sense that they have literally almost no rules. Levi was doing his learning online, through a Brigham Young University program. Unsupervised, at the Palins� house, where Bristol Palin was homeschooling, too.�
The timeline for Bristol’s homeschooling is–what a surprise–unclear. It is generally accepted, though, that she began attending Anchorage West at some point in 2008, so this article appears to be referring to the months prior to that. Read that again. This article is now strongly suggesting that Bristol was NOT in fact attending Wasilla High in the fall of 2007, but was “homeschooling.”
Wow. Bristol Palin – popular, athletic, good student, missed all of her friends at Wasilla High SO much while in Juneau the previous spring that she decided to… home school? IN Wasilla? What’s wrong with this picture?
And adding gasoline to the intrigue fire is a quote from Gov. Palin herself, in August of 2007, where she states specifically to interviewer Armstrong Williams that, the previous day, Bristol (and her siblings) had been registered for school. In fact, what Gov. Palin specifically says is, “Four kids, four different schools.” No mention of homeschooling here whatsoever. (Forgive the digression, but I must point out another curious fact: the fourth kid can only be Track, and since he had graduated from high school the previous spring, this has to refer to registering for community college or some other higher education source. Yet… within a month he’s changed his mind and has enlisted in the military. It’s been suggested many places that Track’s enlistment decision was abrupt, and motivated, at least in part, by something other than pure patriotism. This certainly seems to confirm that his mother, in August of 2007, had no clue he was about to enlist.)
Something just ain’t right here, folks. Homeschooling is one of the button issues of the religious right. If Palin had homeschooled any of her children for any time at all, don’t you think it would have been used during the campaign? Good grief, they used everything else they could find. But no… homeschool prior to the fall of 2008 was never mentioned once that I can find in connection with the Palin family.
You are right. Something doesn’t add up here.
I recall having read in either ADN or The Frontiersman, that Mrs. Palin described her daughter, Bristol, as an “old soul”, for she looked after the family while SP was out and about, and that she (Bristol) only wanted to have her own family, not interested in higher education. In a later article, or maybe the same one, Track was quoted as saying that he enlisted to “avoid the (coming) circus”. That occurred after SP was picked by McCain for the VP slot.
Riiiiiiiight. Sure. And I believe that.
Hey, I don’t believe it either, but his campaign sure is scurrying to backtrack!
He couldn’t have been referring to simply the Libertarian party because he references that there is a someone who is selling out their party’s values. So he’s either talking about Murkowski or he’s talking about the Libertarian guy who says they would consider running her on the ticket. In either case, he’s channeling his inner asshat teen and is calling someone a prostitute.
What is it with the stunted emotional growth of these people ??
I think the “campaign’ needs to keep reading what he said until they finally get it.
Wow! Another fine example of a true xtian Repub. He definitely is following in the footsteps of his mentor, Sarah Palin. I do hope that Alaskans do NOT vote him into the Senate, not just for their sakes, but for our also, too.
Has anyone done any deep research on Miller’s bona fides? Did he pay back America for his excellent Academy education or did he not? That is, did he give the service the requisite number of years before jumping into lucrative private practice? Where did he place in his class rankings at the Academy?
Did he earn his place in Alaskan legal circles, or where the positions “bought” for him?
He just looks like a scummy person, with his failure to shave, his plaid shirts.
Enough snark – unfortunately, he brings it out in me in much the same way that SP does. There is something “off” about him that I can’t put my finger on just yet, thus I hope he fails in his quest for power, because he sure is not running for the job of senator to help out Americans, just himself.
I have been asking the questions. I have spent a couple of hrs. searching google with very little to show for it. My brother went to USMA Class of ’59 and I have some familiarity with its ethic.
All I have been able to find about Millers military history:
USMA Class of ’89
one note to a chat room for the class of ’89 (USMA)
It seems very strange to me that Miller is not touting his military history, especially here in Alaska.
He appears to me to be an opportunist. He has received from 1/3 to 2/3 of his collegiate training paid for by THE TAX PAYER. Now he wants to take down the Dept. of Education? This seems to me to be a “I got mine, how did you make out?
He served 2-3 years (listed as 89-92) on his bio at VoteSmart (http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=27169). No idea if that meets the required number of years.
Academy grad is required to serve 5 years./
So . . . how did he get out of serving 5 years? That seems like a really shady deal.
He would have graduated in June 1989. If 8.1.1.1 is correct, he did not fulfill his obligation, Is he a quitter like Sarah????
he looks like a weasel, similar to that quayle that got elected. thin weasely face.
Guess he doesn’t want Murkowski to endorse him either (for the sake of the party and all).
Sounds like another “You Lie” type of guy
that doesn’t realize politics is a chess match –
not a bar-room brawl.
How’s that Yale Law school thingy workin’ out for ya Joe? You’re going to need some duct tape for your thumbs too.
This is going too far. We Dems may be munchin’ the popcorn and enjoying the blood bath and I am no fan of Lisa but….really? Really? What a cocky, stupid thing to do.
I think I might need to send this out to all of my Rep friends who voted for Lisa.
I wonder how Van Flea feels about his latest client?
And all you teabaggers who voted for this putz? Is this really who you want representing you? Down there in the dirt????
I am guessing that as long as Miller pays him, Van Flea is fine with it. Palin, Miller, and Van Flea are all cut from the same cloth. Dirty old nasty polyester, full of stains from past sins. Going ragged around the edges, and lurking in the dark corner of the basement to scare a little kid who thinks it’s a monster!
What a vivid visual you paint!
hahahaha ….snort … polyester and teh flea …heh heh heh…monster lurking in the basement…. hahahaha caw Caw! CAW!
That’s all well and good, as long as it’s PURE polyester and not some poly-cotton or poly-wool blend. That’s forbidden in the Bible, you know, along with Alaskan King Crab, Dungeness crab, scallops, and being gay.
Wow, he is becoming more and more like his trainer (who needs a trainer). I am still baffled he got any votes at all. When are we all going to demand a full investigation in the voting shenanigans in this state. We need to get rid of those Diebold machines that are so easily hacked. This has happened in too many elections lately.
I’m not a fan of Lisa’s but I hope she wipes the floor with him. He needs to be stopped.
This is a man who wants to be a United States Senator???
This is the kind of judgement and self-control he demonstrates???
So nice of him to help recruit votes for McAdams.
Yes–and this is how he behaves when he has WON his race!! I cannot even imagine how he would have reacted if he had lost. And what he would do if (God forbid) he was elected to the Senate and had to try to work with others he doesn’t agree with.
He’s an aggressive, paper and cost-churning family law attorney in Fairbanks assisted by his homeschooling wife who landed herself a seat on the Alaska Judicial Council. Word out is he represents perps, assisting them in taking custody of children away from fit moms.
That is pure Palin, isn’t it???
Goes right with hiis ‘pulling a Franken’ comment when Lisa wants all the votes counted!
The truly ironic part though, is that IF Sarah managed to get Lisa out of the way and Joe wins the Primary, it will give McAdams are real chance in November!
Not only that, but McAdams is WAY CLOSER to what the teabaggers SAY they want!! He sounds just like what Palinbots SAY they admire about Sarah!
http://archivist.leapserve.com/featured-post/palinbots-dilemna-who-to-support-should-be-easy-if-you-believe-in-the-teabagger-philosophy/
“Teabagger philosophy”? Is that one of those oxymorons like “Jumbo shrimp”?
‘specially on the “moron” part?
Thank Gawd for RTs. What a nasty little jab! Miller appears to protest too muchl. I wonder if Lisa is feeling comfortable with the Diebolds.
Perhaps Lisa and Levi should get together and trade stories about simple-minded sarah and come out swinging. You know it’s only a matter of time before she screws with the wrong person and they tear her apart limb from limb. Keep provoking everyone stoopid sarah.
The irony of a third party candidate beating the Republican in the primary, only to be defeated by the Republican running as a third party in the general. We can’t have all that craziness, Scott McAdams needs to beat them all.
McAdams won’t call a sitting Senator a whore, amd he will have to earn his way to the Senate.
Odd. I’d have thought he meant himself. And the Sow. It would never have occurred to me he meant Murkowski. Hm!
get out the popcorn. I almost hope Miller wins, Lisa goes third party, they split the whack-job vote and the Democrat walks away with the Senate seat.
Imagine – AK with two (count ‘em) two Democratic Senators!!
Isn’t Murkowski just contemplating following the road to victory trod by the right wing’s favorite former Democrat, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman. How could it be a good thing for Lieberman to have done what he did and now a naughty thing when Murkowski contemplates precisely the same maneuver? An enquiring mind wants to know.
That’s what I thought – can Lisa really run as a third-party candidate this late? Can she still register?
What is the provenance of this tweet? Does anyone here recall seeing it as it was originally broadcast? I cannot find it using twitter search, but if someone knows how to dig up a cached copy somewhere, I’d be much obliged.
There are some people to whom I’d like to show this, but if they start asking questions about its authenticity, I’ll have little to say apart from that I trust the source, but, yeah, it looks bad that the time/date information has been eliminated.
He “tweetleted” it but there is a screen capture at palingates.
The original capture came from Swing State Project. He deleted the tweet. There were many who saw it when it came through.
This is the latest news from google on the Miller/Murkowski news:
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&cf=all&ncl=d2bTDyK54AOe0YM3TpjeVKEsZVd0M
In February a guy named Scott Lee Cohen won the Democratic nomination for Lieutenant Governor inIllinois. He is a pawn broker who turned out to have an arrest record for domestic battery and he failed to pay back taxes and child support. Oh, and he once held a knife to his girlfriend’s neck. She turned out to be a prostitute.
He was convinced to resign but is now running for Governor as an Independent. You just can’t keep a good man down.
The Democratic Party paid no attention to him and the media even less. Most all he talked about was how to create jobs and he ran a ton of ads. These kinds of “accidents” happen when the party aparatus and the media think they are smarter than the voters and that they know who’s going to win. Often that happens, but not always. And the results can be really damaging. People involved in campaigns should take nothing for granted. Sounds like Lease-a approached things like Martha Coakley in Massachusetts. Same attitude, same result.
Kind of like what happened with Alvin Greene in S Carolina. Nobody was paying attention and he’s now the Democratic candidate for Senate…that is, unless he goes to jail for a felony before November.
A little off topic, but its time for a another Dunn/Moore/Devon round of whack the mole. Sayrahs trying to take on the Unions….
Then let me be the first to take out my AFL-CIO affiliated Union Card, and then to channel a former president and invite her to “Bring it on!”
Mama Grizzly’ has thrown down the gauntlet, and I’m taking it personally… and I’m bringing my brothers and sisters and all my friends…Mess with this librarian (and our freedoms and civil liberties) and you’re just itchin’ for a fight. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
He is not in Kansas anymore.
Palin and Miller need to step away from their Twitters (actually I would love for them to keep it up.) This tweeting really gives us an eye into the soul of these people because they are not smart enough to censor themselves or think before they type.
I wonder if Palin will stand up for Lisa M. against such a sexist remark? More likely she will defend Miller’s constitutional right to call someone a whore.
The proper term is “Keepin’ it klassie.” Class has nothing to do with this disgusting rhetoric.
Alaska is never, ever boring.
I just read he was in a car accident this morning. Nobody hurt, but boy he is having a very bad day!
That is truly is awful. Glad he was not injured. But did anyone see Sarah fleeing the scene with a signed note saying she was taking his primary win and taking on McAdams?
Palin endorsed candidate completely rude and obnoxious. No surprises here.
There are actually way more than 1,000 votes to be counted…20 times more. 20,000 ballots yet to be counted…
http://www.adn.com/2010/08/26/1426747/miller-confident-in-lead-as-absentees.html
ADN reporting a combination of 20 K
questioned and absentee ballots ( which are accepted if they return within 10 days, I think, of the election )
Questioned ballots can be anything from folks voting at a different precinct near their work or suchlike ( is legal and presumed to assist in getting folks to vote who might not make it to their polling place on a long work day ) to ballots which there is some question about the voter really being registered.
this is not over.
yup
Thought you were leaving? Wasn’t that several posts ago?
I am confused about the number of votes still to be counted. The ADN says –
“The Alaska Division of Elections said Thursday that it has more than 20,000 absentee and questioned ballots left to process from Tuesday’s primary election. Most are expected to be Republican primary ballots that will decide the too-close-to-call race between U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski and Joe Miller.”
http://www.adn.com/2010/08/26/1426747/miller-confident-in-lead-as-absentees.html
I’m wondering why there is such a high degree of certainty that Miller will win.
Wishful thinking, I suppose, although generally the absentee breakdown fairly closely follows the in-person, non-questioned breakdown, unless there’s some huge revelation right before election day that sways people who haven’t voted yet (as opposed to the absentee ones who’ve prob. already sent in their ballots).
I had the same question. Some say that Murkowski lost in the last few days before election day because of an ad backfiring or something like that. If that is true then the absentee ballots would not have been impacted. It will indeed be an interesting time in Alaska for a while.
Exactly.
I thought she had decided to NOT run the ad where Ted Stevens endorsed her because it was too close to the plane crash.
I thought I read that 20,000 were requested, but only 9500 returned. It seems to reason that those that mailed them in would be voting for Murkowski, wouldn’t it??? Ya’ll don’t use those Diebold machines up there, do you? Because lahd o mercy, they are causing all kinds of trouble in Shelby County, TN.
Seems that every place they’re used has problems. You would think that, with all the amazing technology we have these days, someone could come up with a tamper-proof, goof-proof, reliable and recheckable voting machine.
In NY we’ll be using the scanning machines (don’t know if Dieblod makes them) for the first time this fall and I will truly miss the machines with the little levers. They never seemed to have any problems with them and they were also invented and made here in NY…a bonus!
Yes, We have Diebold and past questions of election fraud.
Joe Miller does not seem to like women in general.
My dear friend who is a teacher with a masters in special education is also a mother to a teen son.
The father and my friend were together for about 2 years living in rural AK. When the boy was about a year old the father (my neighbor) purchased a few acres of property near his home and told my friend and anyone else who would listen that he decided that he wanted to build another house so he could get another women. (I am not kidding) They guy just started to go way off the deep end his behavior got more and more erratic overbearing and threatening to my friend. She finally left him but stayed local. He immediately filed for full custody of his son. My friend never tried to limit his contact with his child and never asked him for a cent in child support. He kept up the petty court stuff for years with stupid and nonsense motions. The court did not approve of the fathers behavior over and over again sided with the mother. This stuff went on for years he alienated everyone in the area with his anger and vitriol, until he finally sold out and moved to Fairbanks. That is when he met Joe Miller at church. Joe started to represent this guy pro-bono
and then attempted to bankrupt the mother. for 12 years this nonsense went on and on. My friend who had never been married to the father started a relationship around 2 years after they had broken up. 2 years later they were married. Joe Miller went after the step father and the mother in such ugly ways saying the most ridiculous accusations that he was even warned by the court to knock it off. When the mother got an opportunity to advance her career they moved to the Valley. Joe miller attacked and again tried to get custody of now 13 year old boy. The father was granted 50/50 custody but would have to move to the Vally so as not to disrupt the child’s life. The father quit his good paying job and moved to the valley. The boy now had to spend a week at his mothers and a week at his fathers. The father applied for child support from the mother (Joe Miller) the mother who could no longer afford to pay for lawyers is representing herself (doing a damn fine job).
Here is the catch the boy now 14 refuses any contact with is father now. I have not talked about how this mess impacted the boy though the mother painstakingly tried to positively direct her son to have a relationship with his father, only in her sons best interest. She worked hard to not bad talk the father and let her son know about the continued court cases and costs. But the father that was a different story. After the father had moved to the valley and the son started living at both homes the court appointed a counselor and required the boy to go to counseling, the mother was more than happy to follow the courts orders though the father refused to pay his share.
A few months after this the boy went to his counselor with out telling his mother his plan. After discussing his feelings and what he wanted he came up with a plan, my understanding is the counselor approved. The boy cut all contact with his father, he wrote his father a long detailed letter on his feelings and detailed long standing abuse from him. He refuses any contact and wont talk to him on the phone. The father lasted about a month after this and moved back to Fairbanks, though he is still petitioning the court for child support from the mother as far as I know Joe Miller is still the attorney for record for the father.
This is a long and somewhat rambling post, sorry but I am just so shocked that a man with such a poor record as a human being is being considered for any office including dog catcher.
Thank you for letting me vent.
Oh and by the way my spouse and I are the boys God parents.
Isn’t that the same thing SP’s AK AG choice (you remember WAR – sorry about all the initials) was known for? Supporting fathers’ rights in divorce or child custody cases and doing and saying outrageous things about the mothers to win his cases?
Kinda weird, huh?
Yes, I have been thinking the same thing for years and wondering if Joe Miller and WAR were affiliated in some way.
My post about this was very general. I am a little nervous to add to much detail. I can not really describe the impact that this has had on my friends life. Though she is a strong person and prevailed, there are times when life was very dark for her and her spouse. The repeated attacks and attacks to her and her spouse who has wanted nothing more then to just punch a few people (though has refrained) had taken there toll more than anything financially.
My friend was able to turn her worry and frustration into something good. For stress relief she started running in her late 30′s and now is a marathon runner.
{{{{{{{{{{ your friend & her son }}}}}}}}}}}
Health and peace to them, and to you.
Wow. For a “feminist” Miss Wasilla sure does pal around with some awful men!
So sorry to hear about your friend’s horrible experience. Here is a website/blog that might be of interest to your friend. It gives information on how to deal with sociopaths and people with personality disorders that we unfortunately got mixed up with (or are family with):
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/ –check out those headlines up today–she might like reading these
Here is the website itself, which is full of good information: http://www.lovefraud.com/
Best wishes!
I feel sorry for all of them,especially the son. Good grief, this Miller is certainly a piece of work. Like something that comes out of a dog’s rear end. Ugh.
Miller is a creep. I’m sorry for your friends trials. Sounds like her family is strong and hopefully things will get better now.
A very disturbing story. I am so sorry.
RRH, thanks for giving us an example of the kind of attorney Joe Miller is, and the kind of client he would represent. While everyone is entitled to fair representation, it seems there are always attorneys who are willing to take on cases just for the money.
My best wishes go out to your friend and her son. Sounds like they’ve had more than their share of difficult times.
He shouldn’t be calling anyone names, especially that one. What’s next, the C word? The man should shut his mouth and wait for all the ballots to be counted. He’s already acting like he has won the primary, when nothing could be further from the truth.
And his little cut against Al Franken was not appreciated. Al won the vote fair and square. With a vote so close, as it was in Minnesota and is sure to be in Alaska, a recount is most likely in order.
So, Mr. Miller, have some class and don’t be an ass. Shut your piehole until the recount is complete. In addition to being to being completely rude and utterly without grace, we see Mr. Miller is a sexist to boot.
A recount would be an excellent boost to McAdam’s campaign if he is smart enough to take good advantage of it to actively pursue votes while Miller and Murkowski are busy tearing one another to shreds!
What if McAdams were to challenge Miller to take the following pledge: no contributions from outside Alaska. If Miller agrees, it levels the playing field. And if he doesn’t, McAdams can hammer him for not representing Alaska’s interests. Seems like a win-win idea to me.
Hasn’t Miller already taken money from the Koch brothers? Or did I miss something. Entirely possible.
I followed the Coleman/Franken recount very closely, and I found that Minnesota has one of the country’s best recount systems in place, and if IIRC, the majority of the Minnesota State Supreme Court justices were conservatives. There is no way that anyone can say that Senator Franken stole the election except to use it as a propaganda tool. I think this is the main reason we keep having to hear/read the same BS.
As for Miller, I don’t get good vibes from him. Never have. Although I live in GA, I’m going to make it my business to donate to Mr. McAdams’ campaign. I don’t like people who will do any evil, lowdown, malicious, cruel, underhanded thing and continue to profess to be Christians. They need to realize that the Jesus they say they know intimately doesn’t know them.
I’d rather be called a “whore” than…
1) A Tea Bagger
2) A member of the Tea Party
3) A member of the GOP
4) A politician
5) A Palin
Whores are hard working and provide a useful service…
Thanks for that, I’ll be chuckling all night.
Damn straight, Darklady.
Yikes! Has anyone verified this guy’s credentials? Law degree from Yale? Really? More likely a student of Glen Beck U. What a MORAN.
He doesn’t cite that on his website though … trying to play down those Elitist ties maybe? Dumbing himself down for the teabaggers?
I find that very interesting.
Who doesn’t put their Alma Mater on a resume, especially if it’s Yale? A person who is after the dumbed-down vote, that’s who.
h/t to Redwood
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=27169
“MORAN” is correctly spelled, in that it refers to an incorrectly spelled sign waved by a GOP protester. It is what you might call a political “term of art”.
Here’s what Fark.com says about it:
“Moran”: Misspelling of moron, referring to a well-known picture of a redneck holding two signs saying “Get a brain Morans” and “Go USA”, in response to anti-war activists protesting the US invasion of Iraq. A Google image search for “morans” is a useful way to find the picture.
Shakespeare said it best: “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.” Romeo and Juliet (II,ii,1-2).
Similarly whether the term is spelled moron or moran or another variation, “maroon”, it is a term describing a very foolish or stupid person with limited communication and social skills.
Everytime we progressive Democratic bloggers use the term “moran”, we are happily rubbing the neocons faces in the fact that their supporters are easily frightened, easily manipulated, easily controlled, foolish or very stupid, undereducated sheep — or, as W would have described them – the misunderedumacated.
Based on your unfamiliarity with this term (around since 2003), and the way-over-the-top hostility of your other posts down thread, you must be new to political blogging/trolling. At one point you even identify yourself as a Republican! MAJOR FAIL!
Early days yet. How’s that steep learning curvey thing workin’ for ya?
Wow. What a class act. Come on people. If you are running for office invest in having someone edit what you write. Who said that having a PR person is old school. These goofy tweets prove that someone should be managed before they say anything. Or maybe, they want to follow the rogue steps of a former Alaska gov???
What a twit.
Haaaa….don’t substitute any letters.
Chortle , Irish…….. to paraphrase the Genie (Robin Williams) from the Movie “Alladin”… “She CAN be taught !!”
to paraphrase the Genie( Robin Williams) from the movie “Alladin”… “She CAN be taught !!”
Yes, I CAN!
Irishgirl-Is it true that you cannot kiss an Irishgirl unexpectedly.You can only kiss her sooner than she thought you would.
First he attacks Sen Lisa with a disgusting tweet. Very Palin like.
Now he apologizes and blames a staffer. Even more Palin like.
Oh I hope he wins this primary! McAdams just might win this US Senate seat.
Hey Sarah?? How’s that Karma thing working for ya? (wink)
As much as I would like to see McAdams win in the general, I’m hoping that Murkowski prevails in the primary. Miller is already being touted as the winner (how does that make all you absentee voters feel–your votes don’t seem to matter to the Miller camp). He has even accepted an invitation to appear on one of the Sunday shows (can’t remember which one) as the Republican candidate.
Sarah never would have apologized.
My Momma taught me if there is a “but” in the sentence, it is NOT an apology.
Miller and his ilk are a disgrace to Alaska.
OT – I just did a telephone survey on Alaska’s political candidates and the Quitter Twitter, and the last question was “Can you see Russia from your house?”!
Then what does that make Palin when she sold out AK??????
I’ve not read the above notes, but I have gotten calls from friends that live in the lower 48. AND, WE ARE LOOKING LIKE IDIOTS HERE IN ALASKA!
I’m not pro Murkowski (she sold out to the oil companies and was a leading part of the ‘party of no’. She was always in the group when Republican males made statements on the news each night. But, did you notice that they never gave her a voice while in the groupys!) nor am I pro Miller due to his association w/Palin.
I have to say that if Murkowski loses this primary, I do not feel she should run under another party. When you lose, you lose and that option will likely not be successful to her. I hope the Democrats pull this out – Berkowitz and the majority in our Legislature – House and Senate. Wouldn’t that just be a kick in the butt?!!!
JoAnn, were you around here when Arliss Sturgelewski won the Republican nomination for governor, only to have Wally Hickel run on the AIP ticket and defeat her in the general? This sort of thing isn’t unheard of here.
No – not aware of that. Does it make it right? You lose, you lose!!! In the private sector when you run for office you either win or lose…no other option. It makes more sense to me since I come from that sector. Politics is nothing more than being manipulative!
I’m not making a value judgment one way or the other, only to point out that it isn’t an unheard-of phenomenon in this state with its always entertaining politics.
Arliss lost points with many Alaskans after she questioned another candidate’s qualifications because he didn’t own any property. That was definitely a “say what?!!”, and caused quite a stir.
I just had that conversation with my husband. Specific to the idea of whether or not Miller will find some way, if he wins, to give up the seat for some reason, Parnell has to appoint someone to it, and gee, I wonder who that would be????????????????
Anyway, the ensuing lawsuits & spectacle will ensure that AK is memorialized as the most insane state in the US.
Maybe one of the pro teams from TX would like to move to AK to provide the entertainment instead of the psycho AK politicians we are being bludgeoned to death with. The politics are affecting the country and the world, for crying out loud.
Nope — we changed the law in Alaska after the Frank Murkowski “I hereby appoint my daughter Princess Lisa to be senator” fiasco. The governor no longer fills an empty senate seat. A special election does.
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you are not thinking this through. One of two things will happen if Lisa goes 3rd party.
1. she wins.
2. She loses. but in that loss, she has siphoned off enough votes to deny Miller the seat.
As a third party candidate, the seat will either stay hers, or go DNC. Millier won’t get out the gate.
He blamed a staffer? So much for “the party of responsibility.”
IMHO, letting someone tweet for him is irresponsible and/or stupid. Apart from materials that merely repeat past statements and positions more or less verbatim, a candidate should require that everything that goes out under his/her name be personally reviewed and approved by the candidate, or the campaign manager if the candidate trusts his or her discretion. A campaign manager is no mere “staffer.”
There is also the point that because people think of “tweets” as informal and personal, they assume that the candidate actually did the tweeting. To have to admit (or pretend) that some low-level person was doing it on behalf of the candidate destroys the “direct and personal” aura of Tweeting — like sending out “hand-signed” thank-you’s that are obviously machine-printed.
He shouldn’t have tweeted it, but having done it, he would have come out better if he had stood by his words, and said something like, “Well, I asked a question, and I haven’t heard anyone explain what the difference is — aside from the fact that a prostitute does the job she’s paid to do and doesn’t betray a public trust.” Better to come out smelling vulgar than shifty and/or amateurish.
You know it was Miller doing the tweeting. All the words were spelled right.the guy is a creep, and shojld never have won.
Once again, thanks Alaska. Thanks for screwing the rest of us.
is anything by the way of radio/tv/print ad’s commercial messages being done up there in AK to sway voters who mistakenly voted for miller (as joke or lesson) to redeem by voting Democratic…they don’t have to vote for miller in the general just b/c they voted for him in the primary…educate educate educate!!!
Why is Miller so worried about a recount?
It does sound fishy doesn’t it? First a major upset that no polling firm foresaw and now…?
I don’t think it’s a “recount”…it’s just a plain old “count.”
They (the Board of Elections, in AK?) haven’t even finished counting all the Absentee ballots! There is no declared winner because ALL the votes haven’t yet been counted.
Poor Joe — he just can’t seem to deal with that; can’t seem to wrap his mind around the fact that the person with the *most* votes, when All the votes are tabulated, wins.
Joe Miller (GOP/T-Party Candidate for US Senate): such an intelligent, classy, honorable, and Senate-worthy man. Not. beth.
What has happened to our country? Where is respect? How do we allow this type of crap to continue? At what point do we say “enough is enough”? I understand the political game. I get it. Debate can occur, and should, without resorting to tween angst, lying, name calling, and the level of disrespect we are seeing come out of Miller, Palin, Fox News, etc… I am disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. The world is watching. A national embarrassment. Again. And the icing on the dysfunction, an honor rally staring Beck on the very same steps that once supported Martin Luther King? Lord, help us.
You say it so well. I don’t know what has happened, but I fear we haven’t seen the end of it. As long as our media promotes the crazies (baggers, Beck, Palin, Paul, Rush………etc) this will continue. The media has a stake in all the craziness because of ratings and their ties to corporate ownership. The “news” has become rating fodder and it makes me sick.
I am hoping that, like the McCarthy era red scare, this movement of hate and anger will reach a point where it implodes and eventually burns itself out. I only hope that there is no serious damage to life and property on the process.
I’ve been wondering the same think. It’s as if we’re living an episode of the Twilight Zone where aliens have injected a virus into some of us that induces gross stupidity based on greed, ignorance, propaganda, lies, hypocrisy, cults that worship the clueless, etc.
There is only one solution to this madness, and that is to show up at the polls and vote. We need to mobilize as if our very lives depended upon it. They just might. If Angle, Rand Paul, Buck, and Joe Miller make it into the Senate, it will definitely be a wild ride, so we need to be more proactive, imho. If we retain the majority of our seats in both houses, that might make them angry enough to consider sitting down and letting the grown ups drive the bus.
The story was posted on The Daily Beast referencing this site:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/27/1795639/lisa-murkowski-a-prostitute-joe.html
The Miami Herald is a McClatchy paper as is the ADN.
Wow. Assuming for the moment that he’s telling the truth, if the person that tweeted this and the Bauers are the kind of staffers he has as a candidate, what kind of people is he going to surround himself with in elected office?
Alaskans deserve better.
Brings to mind my grandmother’s favorite saying — “Keep your words sweet. You never know when you will need to eat them”
My Gramma Shorty, of blessed memory, said the same thing. Wise women, our ancestors.
Words to live by. I wish we did.
And – if he was really trying to encourage the Libertarians not to sell out, as is now claimed, wouldn’t a grown up phone call be more professional (and effective) than a Tweet?
Either way, Alaskans deserve better.
I’m not a fan of Lisa especially of late but more and more I’m thinking Joe IS Sarah in bearded disguise. Sarah despises Lisa. Her ‘people’ are helping ‘Joe’ on the recount and absentee counts (enter the reviled Van Flein). As an AK Dem, I will just sit back and watch as ‘Joe’ implodes by being Joe and not the perfect citizen as he was made out during his Tea Party Express backed propaganda blitz.
It amazes me how little people research candidates before they give them their vote. Joe Miller is an extremist and a liability to all but a handfull of Alaskans who are by definition hypocrites (we pay very few taxes relative to other states) or will or have already sold out (enter the Palin clan). Joe is full of sound bite phrases (good only for ads and tweets). He has given zero information on how he would go about abolishing the Dept of Education, Medicare, Social Security, Welfare etc… only in that he would do away with these government programs.
I think (or hope) Alaskans who darkened Joe Miller’s space on the primary will realize the consequences of doing so again come November. Senators are powerful voices for each state of the union. It is imperative that we choose a senator who exemplifies the majority of the state’s constituents.
Alaskan papers and news outlets are reporting that Ms Murkowski will have legal assistance during the COUNTING of the REMAINING 20K ballots – questioned ballots and absentee ballots.
This primary is NOT over and we are nowhere near a recount request at this time.
Alaskans have had serious questions in elections past and have had various entities for various candidates overseeing counts… this is nothing new.
Mr Miller’s Franken remark is unacceptable and as snotty as anything anyone else has had to say so he’s got cowpie on his boot as much as anyone does…
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What in the world am I doing standing up for Ms Murkowski here? She’s ok but I’d way rather have Mr McAdams in the senate
So sad to say, Joe’s comment fits the Tea Party perfectly. From the racist comments, to spitting on Congressmen, to the hate filled signs at rally’s. On and on, encouraged by Beck, Hannity and Palin.
I don’t see Joe’s supporters finding anything wrong with his comment. The Tea Party has brought about a complete breakdown in civilty and public discussion of whats important in this country.
What more would you expect from teabagger trash like Miller…
Friends don’t let friends Tweet drunk.
Don’t Tweet under the influence.
TWI. TUI.
This whole instant gratification concept of living life in the moment is totally lost on me. And so fraught with danger. Monks used to use quill pens to reproduce tomes, and the biggest development in their lives in the 15th century was the Guttenberg Bible, printed for the first time with moveable type. What a concept! They had to work at it. They had to think about it. Before they set it in stone (metaphore.)
What do people like Palin and Miller think we need to know what they were thinking ten seconds ago. And why we care.
It is more evidence of the dumbing down of the discourse and it advances absolutely NOTHING. The only good thing is that invariably, it gets them in trouble.
Sarah tweets whatever bounces out of her empty head.
Twit-like
Duly noted, Zyxomma! Let us all remember our party manners when dealing with new commenters. Right, Mudpups?
Miller is DEFINITELY Palin in a man’s suit. He tweeleted!
Hi R’ip!
Tweeleted! excellent.
Lol! And first he tweeted something completely inappropriate….just like she does. Perhaps they have the same “ghost” twitterer, or they are two peas in a pod. Either way, they both need to be kept away from any elected office.
Hiya Rip!!!!
It looks like he just called McCain’s lil butt buddy Libermann a whore too. In this case, new Joe was right about old Joe. He’s a whore.
Yup. (*sigh*)
Seems like the Koch brothers money was paid to win thre election via voting machine. Would a repug Lisa actually complain about the repugs only way to win an election?
Everyone is getting off center here to a point! Murkowski was a huge part of the ‘party of no’ and should she lose this primary, I strongly feel should not be able to run under another party head. What is wrong w/our system of government?
She was bought by the oil industry (review the money she received) and could be viewed almost nightly during the past session appearing w/lead Republican men making their constant anti-President Obama statements. She would appear w/them – nodding her head as to approval of whatever statement was being made – even though she had no verbal input….how did that make you feel, Lisa?
I didn’t vote for her – will not vote for her should she move to another party and run in the November election. And, let it be known that I did not vote for Palin’s choice and am totally disgusted w/our Alaskan politics. I’ve received phone calls from friends in the lower 48 in the past couple of days and we, as a state, are appearing as total idiots!!!!
I’m as disgusted w/Miller as I am w/Murkowski…she has a righteous attitude just like her Dad.
Lisa is NOT just like her dad, she doesn’t shove all her piddly Alaskan constituents into a weekly public breakfast meeting to avoid a face to face meeting of substance from groups that aren’t big donors.
In our experience as a largely ignored constituency of the State, Senator Murkowski takes up the slack and makes up for it.
This is becoming exhausting, I See Villages from my House. Lisa is a good Senator and good person….today’s events are stressful and uncalled for. Joe Miller is a complete Douche bag! Sorry to offend anyone here….but holy crap! Hopefully the irritant will cmpletely self destruct.
If you are referring to the Sealaska land deal , yes, Ms Murkowski has let Southeast down badly.
The other primary failure is to support tax exempt status for for-profit feeders of the CDQs .
She is a Republican after all and supports the idea that supporting corporate structures will allow all good things to happen…
She has, however, been front and center for most of rural Alaska most of the time when it comes to infrastructure assistance and acknowledgment that social issues in the bush are considerably more complex than urban Alaska in general will look at and deal with at the state level.
Our Alaska politicians made the fatal mistake. The only thing worse than standing there looking like an idiot, is opening your mouth, and removing all doubt. Palin started the tail slide, and it continues today.
I couldn’t agree more. As a woman, this type of comment is reprehensible. I wish women of Alaska would have stood up for Lisa when Shannon Moore called Senator Murkowski a wh**e on her radio show. It is deplorable that Joe Miller would allow such a post, then throw yet another staffer under the bus. Do we see a pattern here and some similarities between Miller and Palin?
Valley Independent, Implosion Imminent and A Fan From Chicago: I am in violent agreement with all of you.
I am a conservative Alaskan woman, and certainly will not support a candidate who thinks berating women is an appropriate campaign tactic. Shame on Joe Miller and the company he keeps.
OK — so he’s called his opponent in the Republican primary, Lisa Murkowski, a whore…OR… he has called the libertarians who might even *think* of NOT following *Libertarian* standards/ideals, whores.
Either way, there’s no chance of his getting around what he Tweeted: Miller has implied –Strongly and sans *any* Ambiguity!– that *someone* is a whore. I’m just waiting for clarification from him as to *which* is the whore — Lisa or ‘turncoat’ Libertarians.
[And, why should *he*, a GOP candidate, give two figs about what the AK Libertarians are doing...if they *aren't* adhering to L-party standards, won't they vote for *him* come election time? Shouldn't he be encouraging that instead of calling them names?] What a maroon; what an utterly moranic maroon. beth.
Spot on Beth! I couldn’t have stated better. Maroon, moron…..idiot.
If Joe feels that way about a member of his own party, just think how much respect he has for the loyal opposition – as in his fellow Americans who respectfully disagree with him?
Maybe while his trainers are changing his dipee and wiping up the mess he made on himself they will explain that those types of insults are supposed to be reserved for people like say – people who torture, and people who destroy this country’s economy, or who invade foreign country’s to steal their mineral wealth.
Well actually he just did exactly that because Lisa is a Republican and the last Republican President did all those nasty things.
Damn politics is complicated.
Joe has much to learn.
Palinized Alaska Politics
Miller-horrible choice. Murkowski-not too good. McAdams-sterling choice. A good thing about Murkowski running on the Libertarian ticket is splitting up the votes for a safer victory for McAdams? Not sure on this. Would the GOP then support Murkowski or Miller?
If she is a Libertarian, does that work? It would be a chance for the real GOP to open up against Miller (SP/TeaParty). Entirely confusing… HOWEVER, here is a candidate who is smart, proven, and wholesome. Lt. Governor candidate Diane Benson. For those who don’t know her, here is her bio: http://www.ethanberkowitz.com/about/diane.php
I don’t read your blog often, but am curious about this particular article. Did you do the research Ak Muckraker before you reached your “punch line”? Apparently the disturbing tweet came from a thread involving the Alaska Libertarian Party. It’s been confirmed that there are conversations between the Murkowski people and the AK Libertarians about Lisa joining up with them. If this particular tweet is about the Libertarian Party (and not Lisa), then your blog should not try to perpetuate something that is not true. So, are you sure the tweet was about Lisa Murkowski???
MM says “am curious about this particular article”
SOOOOOOO, if the “oldest profession” tweet was completely correct and innocent, why was it deleted so quickly, and Miller’s retraction so hastily concocted? I’m curious about that.
The offending tweet may have been removed quickly because of all of the backlash. Before the removal, Joe Miller was interviewed and said that the thread related to the Libertarian Party/Lisa Murkowski negotiations. It may be true that this particular tweet had to do with the Libertarian Party OR it might otherwise be true that the tweet had to do with Lisa Murkowski. I’m just saying that this blog, if the matter was not properly researched, could be just as bad as the Fox news “reporting”.
I’m sure Fox news will be kind to the Joe Miller revision.
OK, AntiAnti … I don’t care about Fox News; I don’t believe their work is “fair and balanced”. If this blog wants those in the blogosphere to take the news detailed here most seriously, then I think Ak Muckraker needs to conduct proper research. If seems like you’d want that, too. My question really involves whether the writer did proper research into the tweet thread before arriving at the conclusion.
“Before the removal, Joe Miller was interviewed and said that the thread related to the Libertarian Party/Lisa Murkowski negotiations.”
Really? Have you got proof of this timeline? ‘Cause by everything I’ve read, it was the delete of the tweet first and then the statements explaining that it was referring to the Libertarian Party, not to Murkowski specifically. AKM has updated the post to reflect that, but that does not significantly change the point of the post, original or updated, and that is that Joe Miller popped off on Twitter with a comment unbecoming of a U.S. Senate candidate.
Does it really matter whether he was calling the Libertarian party a whore, or Lisa Murkowski a whore? No. The point is, he thought it was perfectly OK to reference prostitution for his own purposes, which, I think, is kinda the definition of prostitution – using something or someone for your own purposes. It also opens a window to how his mind works – and if he is so comfortable talking about what is a generally disparaging view of women in this way, I cannot and do not think much of him. Apologizing while also trying to blame it on a staffer does not endear him to me. If you make a mistake, admit it, own up to it, and learn from it. That I can respect.
Deny it, try to rationalize it, or blame it on someone/something else – that I do not respect.
That is the “after the fact” excuse. Although it was not directed at anyone, common logic would lead most readers to believe it was leveled at Lisa. Why would Joe give a hoot what the Libertarians do?
Sorry, I have to run, my popcorn is done.
Cheers.
I first caught wind of this on Salon this morning. Before any retraction by Miller, re,: ‘staffer wrote that”, and, ‘it wasn’t about Murkowski’, note the comment here about how Miller writes his own tweets: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/2010_elections/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/08/27/joe_miller_implies_murkowski_a_prostitute
doesn’t mean it’s accurate, but hasn’t been corrected, as this respected site will do when needed.
You all should check out the transcript of the Alaska State Legislature Joint Meeting (the Senate and House Judiciary Standing Committees), held February 20, 2009, wherein nominees to various governmental bodies were questioned and confirmed. At approximately 2:14 p.m. (pages 9-10), Miller’s wife, having been nominated for the single non-attorney seat on the Alaska Judicial Council (a 7 member panel that nominates state judges), was questioned by the legislators:
She described herself thus: “said she works part time for her husband’s law firm as a secretary/paralegal and she is a part-time student” Then in the first paragraph of page 10, it states: “She is a mom and is active in the community.” Miller’s campaign described her as a “teacher”.
http://www.legis.state.ak.us/pdf/26/M/HJUD2009-02-201339.PDF
Well if on Feb. 20 of 2009, she was still a student, then she’s only been a teacher for a year. And I thought they didn’t have children, so where does the “she is a mom” statement come from?
Upon further search, I found a resume she had submitted to the Legislature/Office of the Chief Clerk, House of Representatives. Note that she lists NO formal education, i.e., qualifications to be a teacher, or a paralegal, and that her “teaching” is a combination of homeschooling her “eight children”, i.e, “Miller Home School” (1994 to present, which would be 2009), and one year “full-time” employment by the Fairhill Christian School,in Fairbanks “teach elementary school children, full-time”. She evidently prepared lesson plans – was not actually a teacher. While being a full time home-school teacher of 7 of her 8 kids, this super woman also managed to work part-time as a “United States Magistrate Judge Clerk from June through December, 2002.
AND from August 2002 to December 2002, was a substitute teacher at the “Lighthouse School” Fairbanks
(another Christian school)
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_ Alaska State Legislature
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Feb 4, 2009 … Kathleen R. Tompkins-Miller – Fairbanks. Appointed: 3/ 1/2009 Term Expires: 3/1/ …. Substitute Teacher, Home Economics Teacher (part~t/me) …
http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_documents.asp?session=26…1050 – Similar
So where are these 8 kids?
I’d like to point out that there are no formal licensing requirements for “paralegals”, although they can obtain certificates from formal training programs. What a lot of cheapo lawyers do is teach their secretaries to do basic legal work and then bill that work as having been done by a “paralegal”. When I was in law school, I clerked one summer for a small firm, where their one and only secretary did absolutely all the work producing the documents for real estate closings. All the lawyers did was show up for the signings.
In Alaska, substitute teachers are not paid well. For this reason, in most situations, anybody who can pass a background test and who has graduated from high school or earned a GED can work (for basically minimum wages) as a substitute teacher. Also, many teachers in Alaska’s private schools are not licensed by Alaska or any other state. Mrs. Miller could possibly be a home school teacher and a substitute teacher in Fairbanks.
OK, so who was the candidate who recently got in trouble for putting out flyers with a couple of kids pictured with him and his wife, but turned out they weren’t his kids? I thought that was Miller, but now I found a picture of him with his 8 kids. But that was just added to his website. Bios of him just refer to “lives with his family” and names his wife. Which could, with the fine parsing lawyers use too often, refer to a husband and wife as a “family”.
try young Quayle — Ben maybe? — running for office in AZ I think.
It was Ben Quayle, Dan’s son.
Maybe he’s swapping kids with the Palin clan?
Gobsmacked. Absotively, posilutely gobsmacked.
Risking pedantry here — since the Libertarians are the ones more likely to change their values/platform if they back Murkowski, the message really does seem to be about them and “[their] party” and not about the candidate herself.
Still a tacky, impolitic, and jes’ plain stuuuuupid thing for a public official to say on record. I’m with Leenie — what kind of judgement does this Miller character have?
I just do not understand Alaskans. In person, they seem like such nice people, but many of them vote like they are deranged.
If you didn’t believe in the old adage that “rats eat their own,” you probably will now after watching the GOP primary season. I’m breaking out the Jiffypop. You can’t make this stuff up.
Gawdamighty. I hadn’t heard about this until this moment. I don’t…I can’t…there isn’t…
Speechless.
(And now when I go Outside I’m going to have apologize for HIM, too.)
TURN AROUND AND LOOK BEHIND, JOE. WHAT ABOUT SARAH PALIN?
A POLITICAL WHORE! A POLITICAL PROSTITUTE TO WALL STREET,
BIG OIL, SENSATIONAL NEWS MEDIAS, FOX NEWS, AND ALL HER PUPPET
‘ MASTERS, AS SHE RAKES IN THE CASH AND DANCES TO THE BANK.
JOE, THINK BEFORE OPENING MOUTH!!
Ugh. Joe Miller, another lying liar who lies.
Lord have mercy on us all.
I first caught wind of this on Salon this morning. Before any retraction by Miller, re: ’staffer wrote that”, and, ‘it wasn’t about Murkowski’, note the comment here about how Miller writes his own tweets: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/2010_elections/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/08/27/joe_miller_implies_murkowski_a_prostitute
It doesn’t mean it’s accurate, but as of late this evening, the post has hasn’t been corrected. This respected site will do so when it makes an incorrect statement.
There is a ‘guest’ on palingates who is making some pretty wild accusations against Miller. I am wondering why s/he is not sharing these assertions here also, too. If true, Joe Miller is not just a Palin clone, but a totally amoral person who should be in jail. It would be good if someone could check this poster out and see if the comments make any sense to you. If so, I think a big legal review of his actions is in order; if not, sorry to have bothered you.
I think you know me enough to know that I don’t generally spook, but this ‘guest’ has me spooked.
Now, I’m living in Ireland, but I’m not entirely green. It is very hard for Miller to spin this one. I fail to see how this makes AKM look bad.
AKM writes a blog. She is not a “journalist”, she is not main stream media, she is not a PR person for anyone. Blogs are like daily diaries on-line where one can state their own thoughts, musings and opinions. The fact that AKM has a loyal following is testament to many things. For one, although we do not always agree on things, we support each other and many of us have come here even for solace, at times. Many of us are liberals who need a place to come for sanity when the physical world that we live in has us surrounded by loud, brassy individuals who disregard our ideas and ideals. And she makes us laugh (and sometimes cry). She takes beautiful pictures of our state. She is almost always entertaining and sometimes she exploits things that are out there for the benefit of getting her point of view out there. Please don’t burn her at the stake for it.
I, for one, seek my news from many sources. If one reads blogs only for “news” and is looking for a balanced, totally researched story, one is looking in the wrong place. National news media, sadly, does not seem to be a very good place either (as there are very few real journalists left). I do not expect an unbiased point of view from AKM. We all know her biases. And I am completely sure that she can defend herself in all manner of things.
Sometimes I come here and ask questions because I know that I will get a different point of view. Sometimes I come here to laugh (particularly on days when there is little to laugh about).
I am dying to get the real point of view that some of our sisters here have but are not sharing with us (shout out to WWRWW and I see Villages From My House)………? Inquiring minds want to know…
Well stated LMG.
Another great post, LMG. And thanks for sharing your blog, AKM.
I do think that Joe Miller just shot himself in the foot.
Too bad – bet he didn’t load his own rounds; what was his major at Yale? hehe
Also, I think Joe Miller might be a bit weird. After all, that five o’clock shadow he has maintained as part of his “image” is a lot of work – maybe he bought some sort of high-tech razor from France or something, but speaking from experience, it’s impossible to maintain that kind of foliage on your face without lots of work in the bathroom.
Joe Miller – Mr. GQ mag. Hmmmm.
Is the troll gone?
Which one? There have been more than a few here of late.
Some are more subtle than others.
Oh. Maybe I just get the blatant ones. I do think there are some long-time mudpups who are very worried about losing Lisa. It’s such a big state and everyone has their own concerns.
This made me laugh out loud in joy! It feels good to be ‘a part of’ a site where trolls are noticed, yet treated with forbearance, even when they are rude. Way to go mudpups! I really like it here.
The one that just had to comment on everything and everyone. I haven’t heard a troll like that for quite some time. Most unpleasant.
and the name is??
You’ll have to forgive me but I’ve been labeled a “troll” before. Especially on websites that cator to mainstream Democratic Party politics. That’s because I think most Democrats are just as screwed up as Republicans. I got labeled a troll because I thought Ralph Nader was a better candidate than either of the main stream corporate parties had proffered; esp. after Obama changed his plumage and voted in favor of FISA (previously he had said he would filibuster the bill); guess we all live and learn. I still think Nader would have been a better choice, BTW. We’re screwed in 2012 if Obama is the Democratic Candidate.
Thanks, that was my hunch too. But the idea is to have a public discourse. Unless, a person has become abusive towards others in the forum I like to give them room and let them speak their minds. In a social context, labeling somebody a troll because you don’t like what they have to say in not always the best way to go.
JMHO.
amen
LoveMyDogs… ew, trolls. These have been particularly unpleasant and I was surprised to see them on the Flats. Sorta sacred ground here. *sigh*
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Citikid: I don’t usually label people trolls. I think some people have strong points of view and feelings on things that do not necessarily coincide with the “community” thought of the day here. I do, however, think that this one was pushing an agenda in an unpleasant and abusive way.
OK – but I like to give folks a wide berth. The “trolls” usually make themselves obvious and become abusive. Hell, if a troll can hold their own in an argument, I’m down with that.
There’s an old adage about gaining information about what others think – let ‘m talk. Buying somebody a beer and letting them rattle on can provide a great deal of insight even if you don’t agree with anything they are saying.
Sorry to rattle on
Good idea.
better to hear than wonder…
200 comments this is a bit different to74.2
Moseyon: it takes a little getting used to.
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I try to be as open minded as I can. I do not profess to know all sides of all things but I do have some very strong opinions about the people that are trying to tear this country apart at the seams. I believe that corporations and the very rich are trying desperately to hang on to ill gotten gains. I believe that there are very few people who really give a darn about the environment but at the same time I see that, globally, it is easy to say “not in my backyard” while those companies go out and trash the environment in countries that have no regulations (and little choice due to the desperate poverty that they live in). I believe that there are two sides to nearly every story. I found this place because I found Palin despicable. I have learned a great deal about the state that I live in reading here. There is a lot that I still don’t understand about what people in the bush are dealing with. I may be one of the regressive ones, but I consider many of the cookie makers to be my sanity on some days.
My passion is sourdough.
I agree with you 100% LMD. Time for me to go to bed.
Me too. Goodnight.
CityKid, love your comment about Joe Miller having some sort of “high tech razor from France.” Pretty soon, we’ll be hearing that he uses an “All-American Freedom Razor” to maintain his rugged, “faux-woodsman” image.
Oops, there’s a French word in my post.
For the life of me…………
I cannot figure out why Alaskan’s are willing to follow Palin off the cliff a second time. They vote for her and she quits for cash. Then, they vote for “her” candidate of choice. Say what?
Come on……….fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.
What the deal?
This has NOthing to do with whatzername for most Alaskans…whether she endorsed whatzizname or not.
1- this is a primary in which fewer than 30 % of registered voters got off their hineys and voted
2-until all ballots are counted it is not over.
3-Ms Murkowski HAS upset numerous groups within the state and Mr Miller has taken advantage of that
4- given that Us and Ns can vote any ballot , who knows how many votes are/were really for Mr Miller?
Amen, Alaska Pi. Many Dems and independents I know decided to vote to the Repub ballot either to screw with things or because they truly felt one of the Repub candidates was better. Most of them did so with regard to the Governor’s race, not the Senate race. For those who also voted for Mliler, they did so just to screw the Repubs and hopefully get McAdams elected.
Unfortunately, Joe may be Alaska’s next senator as a result, as republicans most likely won’t consider voting for a democrat, especially in this election cycle.
There are not enough R’s to get Joe elected. It would take a whole bunch of I’s and D’s to push him to the top. If Lisa stays in, then the regressive vote gets split. Welcome Senator Scott.
I am feeling so disenfranchised, likely this comment of joe’s will be forgotten by the people so who need to hear it most.
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Hi all,
I have removed Fishkitty the troll, and all references to them where someone mentioned them by name. In future they will find their posts go straight to the spam bin.
I would like to take a moment to remind you all of the comment guidelines. Specifically this part –
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Trolls:
A troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
If anyone sees an obvious troll, please drop me an email, or post in the most recent thread. Remember to tell me where the troll is – name of post, and time of comment – so I can find and vanquish them quickly.
Engaging trolls in conversation generally pumps them up with all kinds of goofy brain chemicals that make them behave even worse, as they revel in stressing out the community. So, please do not to feed the trolls. If they are ignored, they usually go away. If you feed them (post in response to their post) it only makes the problem worse, and upsets the people you like.
If anyone does feed a troll, or respond to an inappropriate post, I will need to delete their responses to the troll as well as the troll itself. This makes more of a clean up chore for me. So please abide by the ‘no feeding trolls’ rule.
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The clean up has now been partly completed, I will read through to make sure I didn’t miss anything.
Please do not respond to someone when you think they are trolling. Email AKM, or PM me on the forums instead.
Thanks guys!
Snoskred
Well- sorry you saw that one as a troll… there was a lot of anger there and some nasty remarks but there was also some real live arguing going on
I am done with Mudflats for awhile because of this and would appreciate if you would delete my now stranded responses to the one who will not be named as well…
Now I feel like we are a community where questioning the status quo HERE is wrong…
I am not going to be part of that
Never have, never will…
We can have pages and pages of snarks about whatzername but no questions and frustration over issues which affect our real lives…?
Done , not going there
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I personally hope you change your mind. I hope that people can convince you to stay. Fishkitty may have been a troll, but there are many other people on the blog who you can make a difference with your discussions.
You are a valuable member of the community and it is a terrible shame that someone who was only here to stir people up and make them angry at each other has accomplished their desire – to make people angry, upset, and even to make people leave.
Fellow mudpups, chime in, and let Alaska Pi know that we do not want a troll to cause them to leave.
A so called troll is not “making” me leave.
I am marching my buns out the door because the deleteorama torches my shorts.
I understand the rules of participation here and so won’t be making any calls to the community to re-think their branding of the gone one but I disagree vehemently.
I would urge all to think about this :
from Jose Ortega y Gasset in Meditations on Quixote:
“we …find it easier to be aroused by a moral dogma than to open our hearts to the demands of veracity. We are definitely more willing to hand over our free will to a rigid moral attitude than to keep our judgment always open, ready at any moment for the desirable form and correction.
One might say that we embrace the moral imperative like a weapon in order to simplify life for ourselves by destroying immense portions of the globe.
With keen vision Nietzsche has detected forms and products of resentment in certain moral attitudes. No product of resentment can evoke our sympathy. Rancor emanates from a sense of inferiority.
It is the imaginary suppression of the person whom we cannot actually suppress by our own efforts.The one towards whom we feel resentment bears in our imagination the livid semblance of a corpse: in our minds, we have killed him, annhilated him.
Later, when we find him actually sound and unconcerned in reality, he seems to us like a refractory corpse , stronger than ourselves, whose very existence is an embodiment of mockery, of disdain towards our weakness.
Love (knowledge for Ortega) fights too, it does not stagnate in the troubled peace of compromise; but it fights lions as lions and gives the name “dog” only to dogs.
This struggle with an enemy who is understood is true tolerance, the proper attitude of every robust soul. Jose de Campos , the eighteenth century thinker, whose interesting book Azorin has discovered , wrote : ” The virtues of tolerance are rare in poor peoples ” ; that is to say, weak peoples.”
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Whatever can be said about about one human community can be said about any other which becomes isolated and comfortable.
I’m a crusty obnoxious soul and would rather stand outside here in the Southeast rain than play patsy to sensibilities of hothouse flowers…
Guess that makes me a trioll too…
Bye
I am all for having conversations about whatever, and people do not have to agree with each other within those conversations. However, this should be said, civil conversation for intelligent disagreement of issues is fine, but name calling and temper tantrums is no way to convince someone of your position.
That isn’t an honest conversation of give and take and back and forth, that is bullying and insulting to those who actually wish to talk about the subject matter.
It has never been the position on this blog and many others that it is alright to insult other members who are trying to have a conversation. It darn sure is No way to convince someone of the validity of your point of view. That is why the comments were deleted, that is why comments have been deleted in the past. It has nothing to do with being some deleteorama and everything to do with civility.
Alaska Pi,
You are one of my favorite posters here on the blog.
I do have to say, however, that “fishkitty” crossed a line with me early on with the same name calling that he/she was decrying.
I realize that fishkitty is upset with the situation, but he/she kept getting more and more over the top with anyone who disagreed. And as the hours went on, it just got worse.
As pacos has already said, there is civil conversation and discourse. Fishkitty’s posts were bullying and itching for a fight that I found to be very uncomfortable.
Again, you are one of my favorite posters here and I do hope that you will reconsider leaving just because someone came here on Saturday looking to stir up trouble.
Also, let me add my {{hugs}} to your grieving family. These are difficult times and sometimes emotions get the better of us.
Pi !!! Don’t go !!! I enjoy your perspective on topics, and this will be a lesser place without you here….. and you aren’t the only one who enjpys questioning the status quo….but you ARE one to speak up and do it !
Pi, I hope you don’t leave, either. I didn’t think the fishy kitty was a troll, but someone with a dissenting view, but didn’t read every single comment before they were wiped out. I appreciated your comments on the plane crash and preceding open thread posts—you had lost two family members in a short time and could have slammed me for my attempt at gallows humor, but didn’t.
Please don’t go, but if you do, please come back after a (short) break.
Hugs and kisses to you and your grieving family.
in my humble opinion, fishkitty was looking for a fight no matter how much the rest of the mudpups, including Pi, were trying to be civil.
I saw all of fishkitty’s posts before they got deleted and what I saw was fishkitty looking for a fight that mudpups weren’t getting sucked in to
and it just got bad after that because fishkitty started with the same calling that he/she was decrying
Unfortunately for all Americans and Alaskans in particular,in this case, this is the demeanor of the candidates you are going to see in the Rethug party and Rethug Redux party on steroids. There will be no end to this “stuff” even with the end of the election in November. This garbage will continue and Dummycrats won’t fight back. As for the “whore” part, I guess it is true. Flattery will get you no where,try money. That’s politics.
Sorry but you’re way off here. Joe Miller is cut from the same cloth as Rand Paul and Sharron Angle – open mouth insert foot, assume staffers will come to their rescue and avoid all media in case they ask gotcha questions.
It’s not a ridiculous take to point out Joe Miller was classless in this tweet – it’s the truth. Whatever he may think of Murkowski or anyone else, there is no need for name calling – especially if he seeks to represent all Alaskans.
Miller did not explain the tweet – he blame shifted. Not the same thing.
Better slimy than falling for another “fresh face” that will spoil before it’s sell-by date
If you make it back to read this:
Have you read much here before?
AKM has had a number of posts about Mr McAdams and Ms Murkowski as well as numerous guest bloggers talking about them.
The info is here, if you hunt around, about what AKM and some others think of most of our high profile politicos and personalities.
It doesn’t have to be addressed in each and every post each and every time as you can poke around and find it yourself.
IF you do poke around some you will find AKM often writes tongue-in-cheek about very serious things…
I do not trust Mr Miller one bit – his view that the Constitution (and WHAT he thinks it says and means) is a document sullied by 200 years of Americans trying to figure out how to make it all work irritates me beyond belief.
I am always aggravted with those who insist there was a golden moment and all will be well if we just return to that moment.
I am very interested in what Mr McAdams has to offer this state…
If that makes me a slimy campadre then so be it…
We Democrats in Alaska get called every other name in the book all the time:
babykillers
wacko environmentalists
evil socialists
hippy commie liberal wierdos
I’m forgetting a couple, I know I am.
The shoe has been on THIS foot for my whole life and I’ve developed a moderately tough hide and a big mouth to adjust for it…
Then go a few post back and read all about what a great guy McAdams is. If you were not so “new” to this site then you would know all about Scott.
oh dear…
The Franken comment elude you?
Cool and calm… NOT.
Skewing Ms Murkowski’s campaign’s request to have outside legal eyes and advice during the count of the last deciding ballots as “lawyering up”… NOT
My opinion about this tweetorama, who it was aimed at, etc was pretty neutral until reading things like your comment here.
After all, folks get pretty whupped up when they have a lot at stake
but now I’m thinking Mr Miller stepped right into something smelly here and so far has just spread it around in his frantic attempt to wipe it off…
you are mis-stating an important issue… one which Ms Murkowski can be rightly called to account for.
This does a dis-service to all of us in Southeast. as well as AKM.
This blogger ran a FINE piece about the Sealaska land deal :
http://www.themudflats.net/2010/05/01/voices-from-the-flats-the-tongass-and-the-battle-for-the-last-great-trees/
WHAT has Mr Miller said about settling ANSCA land issues?
What has he said about anything to do with National Forest lands, which belong to all the people of America, which makes you think he will be looking out for you?
So, I hope you plan to live with your kids in your old age, not in Alaska of course cause it’s too expensive, after Joe Miller gets done doing away with your “government” sponsored Medicare aand Social Security. Don’t worry though, you won’t live toooo long without any health care! I expect almost NONE of the older Alaskans would vote for him if they understood his actual positions. I resent the carpet-bagging Koch brother coming to Alaska and trying to buy themselves a Senator. Go Scott!!!
Amen , Madeline
your comment AND many many others…to be fair