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November 25, 2017

Open Thread – Top 2 AK Bumperstickers

This Dodge pickup truck that I spotted yesterday was picture worthy. Why? Because it is sporting probably the two most ubiquitous bumper stickers in Alaska. The No Pebble sticker is more recent, and the other (talking about whether to have an all-Alaska gas pipeline route) was more common a few years ago. But as many of both of them as there are, I’ve never seen them snuggled up quite so nicely.




107 Responses to “Open Thread – Top 2 AK Bumperstickers”
  1. leenie17 says:

    Good grief…they’re becoming more and more blatant and unapologetic about taking care of their rich friends!

    Paul Ryan has been writing special bills that create loopholes for the companies that donate the most to his campaign.

    “For instance, household cleaner giant S.C. Johnson & Son is one of Ryan’s biggest donors, giving him more than $41,000 over his career, and Ryan crafted two bills that would have given the company special exemptions from trade tariffs. The bills, which did not pass, specially mentioned the company, with one exempting “unique air freshener products…assembled by S.C. Johnson in the United States.” ”

  2. Irishgirl says:

    New thread and don’t miss it.

  3. Buffalogal says:

    Any others feel the earthquake in your neck of the woods ? My house shook about 15 minutes ago and it left my desk and monitor bobbling about. One cat slept right through it but the other is still sitting upright in the middle of the living room.

    From what I can gather from Twitter so far, it was a 5.8ish near Richmond VA but was felt up through NYC and over to the Buffalo area.

    • Zyxomma says:

      It was a 5.9 in VA, and because of the shallowness of the quake and the age of the plates, was felt all the way up to Martha’s Vineyard. My whole place was shaking, but nothing fell. Persisted for several minutes. Unnerving. I got an email from a friend upstate, who thought it was the workmen fixing the siding on her building, and got a call from the boyfriend, confirming that my building is still standing. Hope our Virginia pups are okay!

    • Cassie Jeep says:

      It was felt here, in Oxford, NC and also in Raleigh and Cary.

      My bet would be that a contributing factor is fracking…or hyro fracturing, as they like to call it around the Marcellus fields.

      • Irishgirl says:

        I need to read up on that.
        Congrats to your daughter also. What an achievement.

      • Krubozumo Nyankoye says:

        Very unlikely Cassie Jeep. Hundreds of miles away. Brittle fracture is not induced by lubrication.
        Lubrication in the form of fluid injection can induce very small earthquakes such as those associated with rock flats injection wells near Denver.

    • jimzmum says:

      A friend in Barrie, ON, Canada felt it! She thought her daughter was shaking her chair.

    • leenie17 says:

      Rats…I missed it!

      I was so tired this afternoon that I fell asleep shortly before it hit. If we felt it at all here in Rochester, my unconscious self would have just assumed that it was one of the garbage trucks rumbling along the street since today is pickup day for 2 of the 3 local companies.

      Bet my cousins in Philly felt it!

    • Buffalogal says:

      Found the 3rd cat hiding under a bed. Also found a hockey stick, some plastic tote lids and ( of all things ) my Brian the Moose, toppled over. Decided it wasn’t worthy of moving happy hour up a few hours.

      Hope everyone’s ok !

  4. bubbles says:

    New York City has been attacked by Mother Nature!
    Bubbles haz a scared. cat found hiding in closet. he haz a scared also.

  5. leenie17 says:

    Here’s a fun link along the same lines as the bumper sticker:

  6. Mag the Mick says:

    The only sticker on my Yaris at present is from a company called bluetexasstuff, which I imagine is a liberal company out of Austin. It reads “Obamanos”, which is a Spanglish pun combinng Obama and “vamanos” and comes out meaning “Let’s go Obama”. I like it because not everyone gets it!

  7. Elsie says:

    While we are at it, PLEASE go take a look at one fine Texan’s comments about Slick Rick Perry …you’ll find them today and many other days, as well, also and too, at Juanita Jean’s…. That one is particularly tasty today.

    • Zyxomma says:

      Yes, it is particularly rich. I posted a link on Perry for President in the Forum. The link is about his ties to Big Pharma, and how he endangered the lives of Texas girls.

    • ks sunflower says:

      Elsie, Juanita Jean’s The World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon, Inc. at the URL you cite has long brightened my day. I love how she uses satire and a particularly Southern spin to make me laugh.

      Glad to know another mudflatter enjoys the site as well, though I bet we’re not the only ones. Hopefully, if some haven’t heard about it we can get them to try it out. They won’t be sorry. Gosh, the idiots they have the TX legislature are astonishing, but Juanita Jean (aka Susan DuQuesnay Bankston) certainly knows how to take them down a notch while bolstering our spirits – much like at own AKM.

      • ks sunflower says:

        ahem – should end as “much like our own AKM” (even though she is an original in her own “write.” ahem)

  8. OMG says:

    Palin crashed the (Iowa) party but polls do not credit her with much support:

    • Zyxomma says:

      Dear Republican (Tea) Party:

      You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

      Health and peace,

  9. ,juneaujudy says:

    Run Sarah, Run … and don’t come back!

  10. Zyxomma says:

    Leenie17, thatcrowwoman, and all other educators here: Thank you for your service to our future. I learn something new every day, in part because I visit The Mudflats.

    • leenie17 says:

      But, but, but…we’re all lazy, overpaid, underworked, shiftless, communist, socialist, marxist, union thugs, dontcha know! 😉

      • Zyxomma says:

        Along with cops, firefighters, and other assorted union thugs. Could the R anti-union stance and rhetoric have anything to do with their dedication to the Confederacy?

  11. zach says:

    ha, thanks for sharing that sunflower.

    • OMG says:


      Years ago, there was a radio ad about something or other (maybe a weight loss program) that had two women talking:

      “Do these jeans make my bum look big?”

      “No darling, your a$$ makes your bum look big.”

  12. Elsie says:

    I just took a look at the web site for the Democratic National Committee at

    Across the top is the link, “Duck, Dodge, Dismantle”, which describes in a nutshell the wingnuts in Washington, and elsewhere, who want to tear down the Obama presidency, and if the country fails, also too, as well, then, oh, whatever….

  13. thatcrowwoman says:

    Once upon a time on DH Happy’s VW camper:
    “I’d rather be fishing.”

    on a dear friend’s car in the early 70s:
    “I’d rather be incognito.”

    On Littlebird’s stationwagon:
    John Mayer
    Sierra Club
    her college and sorority and camp
    …I think there may be more…

    Salt Life
    is The Bumpersticker on the Gulf of Mexico,

    and also, too
    Crude Life
    thanks to the Deepwater Horizon.

    Here’s the response from some folks in the area:

    Littlebird is happily back at college.
    DH Happy is on the mend and facing down BoA. The 60 Minutes story seems to have hit a sore spot with them. How ironic for us to say to them, “Show us OUR Papers.” We have made a reasonable offer to settle. BoA has 30 days to respond.

    The first day with students went very well.
    I’m off to learn something new today.


    • ks sunflower says:

      “I’m off to learn something new today.”

      Now, that’s the best “bumper sticker” for mudflatters. I think it represents our basic essence well, don’t you. Thanks, thatcrowwoman for that inspirational statement.

    • Elsie says:

      Mz. Crowwoman, I truly appreciate learning about your life, your family, your work, and whatever other comments you care to share here. Best wishes to you and yours for a productive day, week and year.

      L’Shalom backatcha!

    • leenie17 says:

      Enjoy your time at school this week, TCW and have fun learning new things!

      I got to meet some of our incoming kindergarten students last Thursday night at new student orientation. They looked so bright and shiny and ready to learn…and some looked downright terrified! When they arrive for the first day of school next Friday, we’ll try to keep the ‘bright and shiny and ready to learn’ bits but see if we can alleviate most, if not all, of the ‘terrified’!

      With the elementary kids, it always amazes me to see how much they grow and mature over the summer. Some of the older siblings tagged along and you’d think I hadn’t seen them in a year rather than a mere 2 months. Let’s hope some of them have matured in behavior as well as physical stature!

      As for me, I’ll be running the 25 book campaign for staff again this year and I’m well on my way to reaching my goal for the year. The books we read during the summer count towards our total and I think I’m up to about 21 books already. Of course, I’ll only list about a dozen of them on my log to begin with so I don’t look like I’m bragging! 😉

  14. OMG says:

    The one bumper sticker that floats to the top of my memory was one I saw when I lived in California years ago: “Play an accordion, go to jail, that’s the law”

  15. tigerwine says:

    I still remember the bumper sticker I saw in Gainesville FL during the height of the Hippie era on an old beat up VW van with South Dakota license tags: “Custer had it coming”

  16. Sourdough Mullet says:

    I took a photo of a great bumpersnicker in Spenard yesterday. It said:

    “Freedom Isn’t Free. So Stop Whining and Pay Your Taxes”.

    I’m thinking the Dems should co-opt it to use in the 2012 Campaign in answer to the The Teabagger Crazies.

  17. Alaska Pi says:

    I love the bumperstickers 🙂
    Agree with both, like seeing them riding round together…

    • fishingmamma says:

      I don’t remember who, but there used to be someone on radio that would read a bumpersticker every week or so, and always called it the ‘bumpersnicker of the week”. Cute. I had forgotten that..

  18. Bob Benner says:

    My favorite Obama bumpersticker:


  19. tigerwine says:

    About the New Hampshire straw poll: I just realized that it was held in New Castle, so I called my cousin Pete, who lives there, just to get his take on it. This crusty old Republican said he wouldn’t walk 30 ft to attend or vote. Surprised me!

    Somewhere recently I saw an article that maintained the Tea Party wasn’t an idealogical movement, but a regional thing. They pointed out that of the 60 TP congressmen, 37 were from the south, 12 from the midwest, 10 from the west, and 1 from the NE. Sorts out sort of like the Civil Rights thing, doesn’t it?

    • leenie17 says:

      I had family who used to live in New Hampshire and they absolutely dreaded election season, which seemed to go on forever. They were in Londonderry which generally escaped the worst of the media invasion, but the politicking was enough to drive one completely insane!

      I’m not surprised that the crazier candidates fared poorly. New Englanders don’t take much to the kind of uber-evangelical right wing nuttiness that’s been on display thus far. They may tend to lean conservatively, but they’re also eminently sensible!

      • Krubozumo Nyankoye says:

        The fact still remains though that the top three runners are dominionist nut jobs. Nobody is talking about the fact they they are committed to obtaining hegemony over the seven mountains without regard for what deceptions, lies or slanders they might need to make to attain their goals. Translated, the end justifies the means.

        Where have I heard that before?

    • Elsie says:

      Tigerwine, I saved this because I found it enlightening. Maybe you’ll be interested in it, too.

      “…Today’s Tea Party movement is merely the latest of a series of attacks on American democracy by the white Southern minority, which for more than two centuries has not hesitated to paralyze, sabotage or, in the case of the Civil War, destroy American democracy in order to get their way… the facts show that the Tea Party in Congress is merely the familiar old neo-Confederate Southern right under a new label. The threat of Southern Tea Party representatives and their sidekicks from the Midwest and elsewhere to destroy America’s credit rating unless the federal government agrees to enact Dixie’s economic agenda of preserving defense spending while slashing entitlements is simply the latest act of aggression by the Solid South…

      “Following defeat in the Civil War, the former Confederate states regrouped as “the Solid South,” a one-party region, first Democratic and now Republican, that has tended to vote as a bloc in national affairs. The South sought to block the federal civil rights revolution by a policy of “massive resistance” to court orders ordering racial integration. Some Southern states went so far as to try to abolish their public school systems rather than integrate them. It is hard to avoid seeing a link between this racist rationale for privatization and modern conservative plans to scale back Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, relied on disproportionately by black and brown Americans and low-income whites, while increasing taxpayer subsidies to private retirement and healthcare accounts enjoyed mostly by affluent whites.

      “As white Southerners, upset with the Democratic Party’s racial and social liberalism, migrated into the post-Goldwater GOP, they brought their Dixiecrat attitudes into the party of Lincoln…”

      • Krubozumo Nyankoye says:

        I think this editorial is mistaken in one sense. This is not a reaction by a white southern minority, it is a reaction of racist animus cultivated by super rich bigots like the Kock brothers. For the first time in our history we have a president of mixed race who just might in that sense more perfectly represent the whole of his constituency. Horrors! Thus the right wing, the best people on earth, the aristocracy, the plutocracy, the oligarchy all circle their wagons and resolve our only aim, our sole obsession is to make this administration fail, our hope is that there will never again be elected someone of mixed race, let alone GOD forbid, someone solely of AFRICAN

        It is abundantly clear and unambiguous that our news media are also racist.

        How sad is that?

        • Laurainnorcal says:

          How frightening is that?

        • Elsie says:

          I agree with you, KN, that it’s a terrible time for us that obstructionism based on pure-D racism is the singular, motivating factor for the GOP and the Tea Party. Nothing is more important to them than making this administration fail. Bringing down the country WITH him is superfluous to these angry fools. They need to grow up and prioritize national issues for the sake of their constituents, and this nation, and put aside their hatred of anyone based on race and act like statesmen instead of klansmen. Their laser focus of hatred blinds them to the damage they promote against their own nation as they fight tooth-and-nail to destroy his presidency.

          I grew up in Texas. My parents voted for Democrats here, because there were nearly NO Republicans in Texas back in those days. Maybe 80-90% of all candidates were Democrats, but back then, some of those same Democrats were extremely conservative and very much like the GOP is today. In fact, my parents even voted for George Wallace when he made a presidential run some time in the past. He, too, was a Democrat as well as an Independent candidate for president in different attempts to gain the White House, all of which, fortunately, failed.

          I guess that’s why that article appealed to me, showing me the evolution of white Democrats to angry white Republicans/Tea Party voters: “As white Southerners, upset with the Democratic Party’s racial and social liberalism, migrated into the post-Goldwater GOP, they brought their Dixiecrat attitudes into the party of Lincoln…”

    • beaglemom says:

      The problem is that, once the most recent Congress convened, all of the Republicans, whether they were elected as “tea baggers” or not, joined their ranks for every vote. The Republican Party equals the Tea Party at this point.

  20. Irishgirl says:

    I haz a happy….my youngest son (19) was just accepted into Trinity College in Dublin today. I also haz a sad as my oldest son (20) had to come back from Australia to REPEAT some trivial exams and today’s one did not go well! Grrrr….but as hubby said, no one has died and things could be worse.

    I have another happy….youngest son has his friends around for a drink (it is legal here at 18) and I prefer that they have a quiet drink on the cold deck as opposed to going into the city centre where all sorts of mayhem could ensue. They will hit the town later however……

    But my happy is that one of the five boys is gay. He is totally gay….and delightfully so. He gave what I guess would be equivalent to a valedictorian speech at my son’s school last May. He was funny and charming and delighted the crowd. When he arrived today, I asked my son again, is he gay….son replied…Mum, he is a Diva!

    They are now all sitting in the kitchen having a drink (not rowdy), celebrating their college offers and I think to myself, I must have done something right.

    • thatcrowwoman says:


    • beaglemom says:

      You sure did. Congratulations!

    • ks sunflower says:

      Congratulations, Irishgirl. Many good wishes for all your family. I’m pretty sure I speak for many of us here that we wish we had such a wonderful family as yours as our neighbors!

    • bubbles says:

      oh my Irishgirl. Trinity is it? that’s is wonderful! huge hugs and kisses.

    • tigerwine says:

      Irish – I’m so jealous! wish I could have witnessed what you did around the kitchen table. You are a lucky gal!

    • Cassie Jeep says:

      Youngest daughter has her Masters from Trinity College Dublin.(2004)

      Most inspirational since her grandparents emigrated from Ireland to the USA in the 1930’s with their 8th grade educations.

      In two generations she returned to Ireland as a Mitchell Scholar.

      Best to all your boys!

      • ks sunflower says:

        Belated congratulations to your daughter and your family! That is quite impressive. Wow – seems as if the Irishgirl and Casie Jeep families have a lot to be proud of — intelligence, strength of familial ties, good cheer – we are so proud for both.

        I must say, AKM must be particularly proud that people such as you are readers and make comments because it reflects on the quality of her writing – attracting, as it obviously does, so many of the best and brightest. Congratulations all round!

    • leenie17 says:

      Congratulations on your son’s acceptance to Trinity!

      It’s quite the impressive looking campus and those beautiful old buildings certainly do inspire an academic frame of mind. Of course, being the good Irish lad I’m sure he is, a bit of mayhem is to be expected and appreciated!

      It appears that you have much to be proud of, Irishgirl!

    • Alaska Pi says:

      Congratulations Ma!
      And congratulations to the fledgling Irishes!
      Even the come-home-for -dopey -exam fledgling.

      Parenting is just too wierd sometimes, all the work to get them ready to leave and take up their own lives stuff. Lil windows on the what and how they are doing that, like your deck party, put it all in place. Congrats to you all!

    • Elsie says:

      Congratulations, Irishgirl.

      Please visualize that I’m raising a pint of Guinness to you and yours this day! Maybe one like this….

    • boodog says:

      Of course you did, Irishgirl. And every year you’ll see more evidence of it as they grow into great human adults! Here’s to YOU! 🙂

    • OMG says:

      Congratulations to all of you!

  21. Elsie says:

    Beth, down here along the upper Texas Gulf Coast, we don’t seem to have a problem with the use of watches and warnings.

    When a tropical disturbance or tropical depression moves off the coast of Africa and builds up in the Atlantic during our hurricane season, we know to “watch it” to see if it grows stronger, which way it’s headed, how strong the winds are, how tightly defined the center is, whether it’s headed to any particular land mass, whether it enters the Caribbean, etc.

    We definitely want to “watch it” to know whether we should prepare for a possible hurricane and where it might be expected to make landfall. We want to know if we are on the more dangerous bad side, when it goes in to the south of us, or the good side when it comes ashore north or east of us.

    When the worst case scenario actually happens, and we definitely need to prepare for landfall that puts us in the path of a serious hurricane, the weather folks announce a “warning” (something like 72-48 hours early) to people in low-lying areas that we need to secure our property, stock up on hurricane preparedness items, fill up our fuel tanks, and begin evacuating, and take with us our important papers, medicines, etc. It is truly a “warning” to get out of harm’s way in an orderly fashion, well before the hurricane comes ashore.

    By then, we are way past a “watch”. The hurricane is DEFINITELY coming; no question about it. You are “warned” to take decisive action to protect yourself and your family—get out early enough to get to a safe place, then hunker down and wait out the storm until it is safe to return home.

    I grew up with all that, though, so maybe it’s just easier for me to understand it, since I’ve been through a LOT of hurricanes thus far in my life.

    Hope that helps a little.

    • beth says:

      Elsie – thanks for the response. I have no problem with the words, either — what I do have trouble with, is that they are used in discussing weather *totally* differently than they are used in other context.

      Whenever there is a ‘something’ showing up on the radar/weather maps (ie. disturbances off of Africa, upper layers of air meeting with lower layers of air, etc.) the weather forecasters keep an eye on it. The ‘something’ will either turn into an event, or it won’t; they keep an eye on it to see if it turns into ‘something’ with the *potential* of developing into an event and what its *potential* to impact various land masses/peoples might be. They create models of where it *might* impact… (Like with Irene, for example. As conditions change, the ‘area’ of impact they are looking at necessarily changes, too — it’s going to narrow. And then narrow some more. And more.) And yet they then issue a “watch” for it. Why?

      Again, using Irene as an example. She has the *potential* to impact anywhere from south Florida to the Carolinas. Shouldn’t those folks be be given a warning that the *potential* is there for her to wallop them? Same with thunder storms, etc, when conditions are right for the *potential* of them developing tornadic activity or whatever, yes, give a warning…let everyone who *might* be impacted know there is a potential for some really rough weather ahead for them. But why the “watch”?

      My gripe is the disconnect between how each word is used in ‘normal’ life and how they are used by weather forecasters. To me, “warning” has always denoted the potential for something to happen — if all other conditions are right… “Watch,” to me, however, has always been specific –and more importantly, *imminent*– to the location/time…I’ve heard “Watch out! That guy just slammed on his brakes!” I’ve never been told, “Warning! That guy just slammed on his breaks!”.

      I’m just really having trouble trying to figure out why weather forecasters use the words backasswardly from their meaning in other situations. beth.

  22. beth says:

    I just posted the below in yesterday’s Open Thread…I should’ve checked to see if there was a new Open for today, before I did. I’m reposting it here on the off-chance that a) no one will read yesterday’s Open Thread and/or b) someone has a reasonable explanation for why the words are used as they are. Or, on the off-chance that I’m not the only one bugged by it. b.

    I know I shouldn’t sweat the small stuff, but there are some things that just bug the ever lovin’ chit out of me — things I can’t avoid. Like weather forecasts and the terminology the forecasters use.

    What idiot decided to use the terms “warning” and “watch” in *total* contradiction to how they are used in all other situations? According to the weather gang, “warning” means it’s going to happen, no question about it…”watch” means conditions are favorable for it to happen. Say what?

    Warnings I’m not so much worried about — we get warnings all the time. Warned too much salt will raise your blood pressure. Smoking can cause cancer. Not getting enough sleep keeps you from optimum performance at school and work. If you keep crossing your eyes, they’ll stick that way. Yada, yada, yada; some might happen, others, absolutely not. Warnings, in other words, are *not* a certainty.

    I guarandamntee, though, if someone tells me to “Watch Out” or “Watch It”, I *know* something is in the immediate offing and I’d better pay super attention to the imminent danger of it. (Think: the foul ball is headed right my way — someone hollers: “Watch Out!”)

    Why do the weather people assign different meaning to these words than are used in everyday life? Arrrgh!

    It was a rough weekend. beth.

  23. beth says:

    [Not positive, AKM, but you might want to blur out some of letters and/or numbers on that plate — privacy and all that. beth.]

  24. scout says:

    Will Clarence and Virginia Thomas succeed in killing Obama’s health-care plan?

    snip “Ginni Thomas spent much of 2010 on a coast-to-coast campaign against the Obama Administration. As she said in an introductory video on her Web site, “If you believe in limited government, individual liberty, free enterprise, national security, and personal responsibility, and have felt these principles are under attack from Washington, then you’ve come to the right place.” In a later interview, she said, “I’ve never seen, in my thirty years in Washington, an agenda that’s so far left. It’s a radical, leftist agenda that grabs a lot of power to Washington so that Washington élites can pick the winners and losers.” In his own speeches, Justice Thomas expresses himself in terms similar to those of his wife. Answering questions recently in Florida, he said, “The government has to be limited. We have separations of powers, and some of the other enumerated powers that prevent the government from becoming our ruler. I don’t know if that’s happened already.” snip

    snip “The Thomases hosted at their home, and the Justice officiated at, the third wedding of Rush Limbaugh.” snip

    • ks sunflower says:

      I am so glad I have been signing petitions to take Thomas off the court. He has stepped over the line. Judges and Justices have to avoid the appearance of impropriety. He will not recuse himself on cases on issues where he’s spouted his personal opinions and taken “considerations” so he has to go!

    • Krubozumo Nyankoye says:

      Thomas is a criminal, he should be impeached. He falsified his financial disclosure forms by omitting all of his wife’s income, from lobbyists coincidentally. He had a major conflict of interest over the Citizens United descision and did not recuse himself. His wife benefited hugely after the decision was handed down. Just in case you weren’t paying attention, the congressman who most aggressively pursued Thomas’ malfeascence was – care to take a guess?

  25. tallimat says:

    Canada’s Oil Sands? Not with Alaska’s Gas!

    • CO almost native says:

      I’d like the Tar Sands to keep their gas, and not run it through the proposed/constructed pipeline in my neck of the woods. Maybe that would help stop the horrible environmental damage…

      • tallimat says:

        In order for oil to be extracted from the tar sands, a huge amount of natural gas is needed.
        Right now, it appears those extracting the oil from the tar sands, seem to think there is ample natural gas. From what I can tell, lots of natural gas is being used and needed for the process. I’m not to sure they, (i.e. those extracting oil from the tar sands), are willing to ship out any natural gas. Basically they need all they can garner. Now and in the future.

        I believe Transcanada, now in partnership with conco phillips, wants to use Alaska’s natural gas to extract the oil from the Athabaskan tar sands, sometime in the future.

        Now who is up in Northwest Territories and Canada extracting oil from the tar sands?
        Here is a hint: they are in partnership with Transcanada.

        • Pinwheel says:

          In relation to the gas line project from Alaska, TransCanada has $500M in the bank against performance. Shortly after the Alaska Legislature confirmed the TransCanada contract TransCanada made a deal with ExxonMobile.

          We in Alaska know all too well what the deal meant. We got screwed.

      • Elizabeth says:

        I second that!!!! I was looking at the fjord they intend to run the big tankers down and was absolutely horrified. That is an accident sooner than later.


    i might have to get one of those “no people mine stickers” for down here in the lower 48.
    yep, that’s what i’m gonna do.

  27. Casseopeia says:

    In the southeast its either :” Build the Road”…..or “If you want roads, move south”

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